Hi Ingrid I can't believe I did that not putting in a year how silly. His father was born in 1863 in Ireland and his mother in 1867 New Gateshead. Yes there were quite a few children there was a Hugh, Margaret there was at least 10 children that's all I can remember at the moment. Thanks so much for your help Kind regards Dianna

Hi I'm doing research into Francis HANEY who was born in Coxlodge Gosforth 29th Sept. 1901 his parents are James Edward HANEY b11th April Ireland and Eliza Jane MARTIN b 19th July 1867 New Gateshead. Could someone let me know if there is a 1901 Census available for this area please or how I can find out more on the family. Kind regards Dianna

Hi there - I don't suppose any of your Pringle's are any further North, Amble, Embleton and perhaps even further North than this ? > Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 09:10:08 +0000 > From: mike@pringle.org > To: NORTHUMBRIA@rootsweb.com > Subject: [NMB] Pringles > > > Am collecting genealogical information about Pringles in Tynemouth > (Chester-le-Street district) and the surrounding area. I have much > information about my own line (back to John Pringle b.1663) but would love > to get back further if possible - maybe to a Scotland link...? The > information I have is centred around the maritime world, with a number of > ship owners, master mariners, mates, bo'suns and good old mariners, and with > a particular focus on the middle names of Harrop and Bird. I also have a > query or two about connections with the Murray family in the same area, and > a migration across to Liverpool. > If anyone has any information they think might be pertinent, or would like > to see the material I have, please do get in touch. > Thanks > Mike > > > The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORTHUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ We want to hear all your funny, exciting and crazy Hotmail stories. Tell us now http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/195013117/direct/01/

Am collecting genealogical information about Pringles in Tynemouth (Chester-le-Street district) and the surrounding area. I have much information about my own line (back to John Pringle b.1663) but would love to get back further if possible - maybe to a Scotland link...? The information I have is centred around the maritime world, with a number of ship owners, master mariners, mates, bo'suns and good old mariners, and with a particular focus on the middle names of Harrop and Bird. I also have a query or two about connections with the Murray family in the same area, and a migration across to Liverpool. If anyone has any information they think might be pertinent, or would like to see the material I have, please do get in touch. Thanks Mike

Dee I forgot to mention that the crew member of Hampden L4072 who was uninjured was Observer P/O J.M.D. Irvine. Perhaps I could also mention that Sgt Reid, a crew member from one of the bombers which was shot down into the sea off Northumberland on 21 December 1939, was involved in another "friendly fire" incident less than three months later. In the second incident, his Hudson was shot down by Hurricanes of 32 Squadron. Sgt Reid, who baled out, was the only survivor but he was badly burned and spent 4 months in hospital. Brian -- Brian Pears (Gateshead, UK) http://www.bpears.org.uk/ Joint List Admin NORTHUMBRIA Genealogy Mailing List GENUKI Northumberland Maintainer

Dee > This contradicts your information slightly as it would appear that the > Hampdens shot down by "friendly fire" were from 44 Squadron, and not 49 and > were intercepted south of Dunbar. The Hampden, from 49 Squadron, which > crashed into the Church of Christ was one of those intercepted by fighters > of the 43 Squadron and recognised as friendly. I'm not the one who researched this or wrote up the item, but I know that Roy's initial source for this item was this snippet from "The Blitz Now and Then" Vol 1 Pge 61: "...A British bomber crashed on the Church of Christ, Todston Terrace, Amble. The whole church was demolished. Casualties, one killed, one injured. The British bomber mentioned above was Hampden L4072 of No. 49 Squadron shot down by Spitfires of 602 Squadron. RAF records list the crew as Sergeant Edward Marshall (pilot, seriously injured); Sergeant Samuel Potts (crew, killed), and ACI Edward Humphry (crew, killed).." It's a little geographically challenged - Todston Terrace instead of Togston Terrace and Amble instead of Togston or North Broomhill - but this is common in official records (which the editors of BTN used exclusively), so that's no reason to doubt the veracity of the piece as a whole. Our rough notes, compiled from a variety of sources, tell me that the bombers from 49 squadron which were escorted to Acklington by the Hurricanes did not represent the entire squadron, just a group which had become separated from the main body. My precis of the notes in my previous post was badly worded. > I am interested in the local "heroes" who came to the aid of the Hampden's > crew. I must admit that I was not aware that anyone (other than crew) had > been killed or injured. I understood that no-one was in the Chapel at the > time. At first I wondered if the "one killed, one injured" might refer to to crew - but there were two killed on the plane, so the reference must be to people on the ground. The phrasing also suggests that the "one killed, one injured" were separate from the crew casualties. However we could find no other reference to these ground casualties and no record of a civilian war death that day, so we were far from convinced. Nonetheless we weren't in a position to argue with the details in what has always proved a reliable source, so we left it in. Brian -- Brian Pears (Gateshead, UK) http://www.bpears.org.uk/ Joint List Admin NORTHUMBRIA Genealogy Mailing List GENUKI Northumberland Maintainer

Thank you Brian and Alan for your responses to my post. Brian wrote: >That must be the sanitized "official" version of the story. In truth is that this was an early case of "friendly fire" or "blue on blue" >as the military prefer. As I report at <http://www.ne-diary.bpears.org.uk/Inc/ISeq_02.html#D110> http://www.ne-diary.bpears.org.uk/Inc/ISeq_02.html#D110 Roy Ripley and yourself must have carried out significant research to obtain the details you have published in the North East Diary. Could what the source was for the information you gave your post? You quoted: >"A British Hampden bomber, shot down in error by Spitfires of 602 Squadron, crashed on to the Church of Christ, Togston Terrace, >Amble. The church was demolished. One person was killed and one was injured. Of the bomber's crew, one was uninjured, one was >seriously injured and two were killed." Do you have any details of the person killed and the one injured? I do know that one of the crew killed was Sgt S H POTTS, age 23. He is buried at Chevington Cemetery. I did some further research and came across the 49 Squadron Roll of Honour (http://www.49squadron.co.uk/Roll%20of%20honour/Roll_PQ/Potts_SH.html) and the entry for Sgt POTTS reports the following: "THE 'DEUTSCHLAND' December, 1939: At 21.00hrs on 20 December the squadron received instructions to bomb the pocket battleship 'Deutschland', which had been reported in the vicinity of the Norwegian coast. They were then required to return to the Scottish base of Leuchars. The following day, the 21st, twelve Hampdens took-off from their Scampton base. Over Lincoln they met up with twelve Hampdens of 44 Squadron from Waddington and under the command of W/Cmdr Sheen, the formation headed towards the North Sea, passing over Skegness. On reaching the Norwegian coast, they turned northwards and spread out in line abreast as they hunted for the 'Deutschland'. But the search was in vain, and at the limit of their range the Hampdens turned and headed for Scotland. Sleet and rain showers reduced visibility on the return flight and the two squadrons became separated. The Scampton flight made landfall in Northumberland where it was intercepted and recognised as friendly by twelve fighters of 43 Squadron. By 15.47hrs most of the formation were landing at nearby Acklington. Meanwhile, 44 Squadron had crossed the coast south of Dunbar. Hurricanes of 72 Squadron intercepted them and informed control that they were Hampdens. No 602 Squadron Spitfires from Drem (the same base as the Hurricanes) were also scrambled, and without at first recognising the aircraft, proceeded to shoot down two of the Hampdens. At Acklington, one of 49 Squadron's aircraft short of fuel was having problems. Piloted by Sgt Marshall it crashed into a Chapel at Broomhill on the edge of the aerodrome. As a result, the pilot was seriously injured and sadly two members of the crew were killed. Also injured in the crash was the 2nd pilot/navigator, P/O J.M.D. Irvine. Hampden L4072 <http://www.49squadron.co.uk/Roll%20of%20honour/Roll_H/Humphrey_EH.html> AC1 E. Humphrey (Killed) Sgt S.Potts. (Killed)" This contradicts your information slightly as it would appear that the Hampdens shot down by "friendly fire" were from 44 Squadron, and not 49 and were intercepted south of Dunbar. The Hampden, from 49 Squadron, which crashed into the Church of Christ was one of those intercepted by fighters of the 43 Squadron and recognised as friendly. I am interested in the local "heroes" who came to the aid of the Hampden's crew. I must admit that I was not aware that anyone (other than crew) had been killed or injured. I understood that no-one was in the Chapel at the time. Thanks again. Dee

On 17/01/2010 21:15, Brian Pears wrote: > Spitfires from 49 and 602 Squadrons Sorry, that should read "Spitfires from 72 and 602 Squadrons". Brian -- Brian Pears (Gateshead, UK) http://www.bpears.org.uk/ Joint List Admin NORTHUMBRIA Genealogy Mailing List GENUKI Northumberland Maintainer

On 17/01/2010 17:28, Dee Dunn wrote: > Please can anyone help with information regarding an event that occurred on > the 21st December 1939 when a Hampden bomber returning to RAF Acklington > crashed into the Chapel at North Broomhill, Northumberland, on the edge of > the aerodrome. The bomber was from 49 Squadron and was short of fuel and > having problems. As a result, the pilot was seriously injured and sadly two > members of the crew were killed. Dee That must be the sanitized "official" version of the story. In truth is that this was an early case of "friendly fire" or "blue on blue" as the military prefer. As I report at http://www.ne-diary.bpears.org.uk/Inc/ISeq_02.html#D110 "A British Hampden bomber, shot down in error by Spitfires of 602 Squadron, crashed on to the Church of Christ, Togston Terrace, Amble. The church was demolished. One person was killed and one was injured. Of the bomber's crew, one was uninjured, one was seriously injured and two were killed." This was dreadful incident in which Spitfires based at Drem engaged Hampden bombers of based at Scampton and Waddington as they returned from a difficult mission to find and attack the pocket battleship "Deutschland" which had been reported off Norway. As the bombers of 44, 49 and 83 Squadrons returned from their mission, short of fuel and in bad visibility, they decided to make for Acklington instead of their home bases, but they were misidentified by radar operators who scrambled the Spitfires from 49 and 602 Squadrons and Hurricanes from 43 Squadron. The Hampdens from 49 Squadron were intercepted by the Hurricanes but were correctly identified and escorted to a safe landing at Acklington. The remainder of the Hampdens were engaged by three of the Spitfires before they were identified as British. Two of the bombers were shot down into the sea, though all but one of the crews survived and were rescued by fishermen. A third Hampden, damaged and out of fuel, tried to reach Acklington, but struck Christ Church and burst into flames. A fourth Hampden, not involved in the friendly fire, made a forced landing in a field near Belford. Brian -- Brian Pears (Gateshead, UK) http://www.bpears.org.uk/ Joint List Admin NORTHUMBRIA Genealogy Mailing List GENUKI Northumberland Maintainer

Dee - it may be worth your while contacting North East Aviation Research at the North East Aircraft Museum as they list a Hampden Bomber Serial No L4072 of 49 Squadron crashing at Togston Terrace, Amble, Northumberland, while on approach to Ackington on 21st December 1939. You will find this recorded in a listing on their website where you will find information on how to contact them. Alan Vickers. 2009: A year in review - http://www.tiscali.co.uk/2009

Please can anyone help with information regarding an event that occurred on the 21st December 1939 when a Hampden bomber returning to RAF Acklington crashed into the Chapel at North Broomhill, Northumberland, on the edge of the aerodrome. The bomber was from 49 Squadron and was short of fuel and having problems. As a result, the pilot was seriously injured and sadly two members of the crew were killed. Some local men ran to the burning wreckage and rescued the pilot. It is believed that one of these men received an award possibly the George Medal. It is the details of these men, particularly the award recipient that I am trying to find out. At the time of the incident, a children's Christmas party was being held in the school nearby. My mother-in-law was one of the children. For many years she kept a newspaper clipping about the crash but she can no longer find it. She cannot recall which paper it was reported in. Does anyone have access to newspaper archives? Any help would be appreciated. Many thanks Dee

I would like to hear from anyone who is related to, or has information about, the above families. Magnus SVENSSON was born in c1837 Helsingborg, Sweden and is found in the 1871 census in South Shields as a Seaman (out of employ). He married Isabella IRVINE (born Shetland c1837) in South Shields in 1866. They had 3 known children - Isabella 1873 (who married Ernest Paul ZENKER in 1904), Georgina 1868 and Joann Grace 1876. There are also connections to the JENKINS family from Newcastle/Jesmond. Any connections welcomed. Ruth in Hambledon, Hampshire "The Cradle of Cricket"

Patrick Corner-Walker wrote: > It was necessary to keep a good supply of cannon balls near the cannon > on old war ships. But how to prevent them from rolling about the deck > was the problem. Pat Interesting, but off-topic I'm afraid. Please remember that all posts should relate specifically to Northumberland or Co Durham. Brian -- Brian Pears (Gateshead, UK) http://www.bpears.org.uk/ Joint List Admin NORTHUMBRIA Genealogy Mailing List GENUKI Northumberland Maintainer

CANNON BALLS!!! It was necessary to keep a good supply of cannon balls near the cannon on old war ships. But how to prevent them from rolling about the deck was the problem. The storage method devised was to stack them as a square based pyramid, with one ball on top, resting on four, resting on nine, which rested on sixteen. Thus, a supply of 30 cannon balls could be stacked in a small area right next to the cannon. There was only one problem -- how to prevent the bottom layer from sliding/rolling from under the others. The solution was a metal plate with 16 round indentations, called, for reasons unknown, a Monkey. But if this plate were made of iron, the iron balls would quickly rust to it. The solution to the rusting problem was to make them of brass - hence, Brass Monkeys. Few landlubbers realise that brass contracts much more and much faster than iron when chilled, consequently, when the temperature dropped too far, the brass indentations would shrink so much that the iron cannon balls would come right off the monkey. Thus, it was quite literally, cold enough to freeze the balls off a brass monkey. And all this time, folks thought that was just a vulgar expression? Pat Walker

> Sunderland is on the NORTH side of the River Wear and Monkwearmouth is on > the south > side of the River Wear. A bridge connects the Two.. Betty. > Betty, You have it wrong, Monkwearmouth is North of the River Wear. Bishopwearmouth south of the River Wear. Sunderland is North & South of the River Wear. John Walker, Newcastle upon Tyne little.blobby2@btinternet.com http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~littleblobby/ http://www.freewebs.com/littleblobby/ No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.730 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2623 - Release Date: 01/15/10 07:35:00

Betty I think you have this the wrong way round. Monkwearmouth is on the north side of the River Wear, the original settlement of Sunderland was on the south side, at the mouth of the river. Bishopwearmouth is also on the south side a little way inland. The three became Sunderland which is on both sides of the river. Several bridges connect the two. Meg -----Original Message----- From: northumbria-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:northumbria-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Betty Holmes Sent: 15 January 2010 18:56 To: northumbria@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NMB] Re Geordie Origins Sunderland is on the NORTH side of the River Wear and Monkwearmouth is on the south side of the River Wear. A bridge connects the Two.. Betty. >> > The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at > http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NORTHUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.725 / Virus Database: 270.14.142/2623 - Release Date: 01/15/10 03:35:00 The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORTHUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. We are a community of 6 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 363 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len The Professional version does not have this message

I was informed once 'if you were born within the smell of the Tyne you were a Geordie' Pom Bruce Dodd wrote: > I remember as a child (born outside Toronto) asking my dad the same > question. He told me that he, from Monkwearmouth might, at a stretch, > be considered a borderline Geordie. But (wink) my mother, from > Bishopwearmouth, was beyond the pale entirely. > > And if I knew how to get rid of the pestilential - and untrue - note > below, believe me I would do so > > Bruce Dodd > Ottawa > >

Thanks, Michael Very clever of you to identify the family! I didn't have those marriage details, although the GRO index shows 1898Q3, Newcastle upon Tyne, 10b, 183, i.e. a year later. Neil --- On Fri, 15/1/10, dixymick@aol.com <dixymick@aol.com> wrote: > From: dixymick@aol.com <dixymick@aol.com> > Subject: Re: [NMB] Trinity Presbyterian Church, Newcastle > To: northumbria@rootsweb.com > Date: Friday, 15 January, 2010, 15:50 > Neil, >  > Tyne & Wear Archives records show the chapel, once on > Newbridge St,  moving > to Northumberland Rd- as already posted . >  > Marriage 7th July 1897 > William Marchbank of 31 Grove St, Newcastle >< Mary > Elizabeth  Havelock of > 7 Percy Terrace, Newcastle.Witnesses Frank Marchbank and > Alice M  Havelock. > Then the two baptisms you already have, 2 Sep 1902 and 26 > Nov  1905. >  > Michael age is located at http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORTHUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the > subject and the body of the message >

If any member of the list who is local to Newcastle is after a FICHE READER, I have one available, can probably drop off North of the Tyne within the next couple of weeks, down in Middlesbrough in 2 weeks time, other than that, can be collected from Cramlington. Regards, Fee

Hi Brian yes, that is definitely my lovely place of work Donna ________________________________ From: Brian Pears <bp@bpears.org.uk> To: northumbria@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, 15 January, 2010 14:43:35 Subject: Re: [NMB] Trinity Presbyterian Church, Newcastle DONNA ETHERINGTON wrote: > was it definitely Dobson/New Bridge Street, as I actually work in > a church on Northumberland Road and it is now (for university > purposes) called Trinity Building???  I dont know anything about > the church itself as I have tried to find info about it on the > web, but I havent found anything. > > I have a picture of two of the church if you would like to see it Donna/Neil As I wrote in my previous response, Trinity Chapel on New Bridge Street ceased being a church in 1896. From what I can gather, the majority of the building was demolished before WW1, though the rear seems to have been incorporated into later buildings. The building you are in, Trinity Building, was indeed Trinity Chapel (Trinity Presbyterian Church) from 1896 to 1970. There's a pic at http://sine.ncl.ac.uk/view_image.asp?digital_doc_id=5924 Brian -- Brian Pears  (Gateshead, UK)    http://www.bpears.org.uk/       Joint List Admin NORTHUMBRIA Genealogy Mailing List               GENUKI Northumberland Maintainer The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORTHUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message