Hi John, Found the following, Ryton Park 1861 Census. . Roger ROBSON. 45 yrs. Farm Manager Born Otterburn. Elizabeth ROBSON 40 yrs Born Wylam. Rodger 16 or 15 yrs. House Servant. Born Elsdon. Joseph 13 yrs Farm Worker. Born Ryton. Margaret 1o yrs Scholar. Born Ryton. Catherine 6 yrs. Scholar. Born Ryton. Jane 4yrs Born Ryton.. Ryton Park 1871 Census. Roger ROBSON 56yrs Agric Lab. Born Bolam Hills???? Rather illegible. Elizabeth ROBSON 49 yrs Born Elsdon. Jane 14 yrs Born Ryton. Please note that his wife is called Elizabeth on these two Census, Margaret may have had this as another name or Margaret may have died. I have had a quick look but can't find that Roger remarried. Just a possibility. Best of luck. Carole E Atkinson -----Original Message----- From: northumbria-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:northumbria-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of john robson Sent: 21 February 2010 10:58 To: Northumbria; Durham and Northumberland Subject: [NMB] 1861 and 1871 census of Ryton Hi All, can anyone help in my search. My gggranfather Roger Robson born in Elsdon in 1813 lived there until at least 1848 where he was a shepherd, then a farm labourer. He married Margaret Davison born in Shilbottle 1815, in Gateshead in 1839 but took his wife back to Elsdon where his first three children were born, including my ggrandfather John Robson. I found Roger next in the 1851 census in Ryton County Durham working for Mr Joseph Lamb, a Scottish coal owner at Ryton Hall, Roger is now a husbandman. Ggrandfather John Robson eventually became a coachman for Mr Lamb and his life is traceable until his death in 1891(just before the census). I have lately fond the marriage certificate of his daughter Margaret, born about 1854 in Ryton, to Thomas Vallance in 1878 in Newcastle in which her father is Rodger Robson "land steward" and not noted as being deceased. Assuming that he was still alive and still working for Mr Lamb he should have been visible in the census's of 1861 and 1871 but I just can't find him. Have some details of the census's of those years in Ryton been lost or destroyed? Roger must have been living very close to John during that time, or does anyone have access to this information? John Robson (for some reason the message was missing from my prevoius emails) The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORTHUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi All, can anyone help in my search. My gggranfather Roger Robson born in Elsdon in 1813 lived there until at least 1848 where he was a shepherd, then a farm labourer. He married Margaret Davison born in Shilbottle 1815, in Gateshead in 1839 but took his wife back to Elsdon where his first three children were born, including my ggrandfather John Robson. I found Roger next in the 1851 census in Ryton County Durham working for Mr Joseph Lamb, a Scottish coal owner at Ryton Hall, Roger is now a husbandman. Ggrandfather John Robson eventually became a coachman for Mr Lamb and his life is traceable until his death in 1891(just before the census). I have lately fond the marriage certificate of his daughter Margaret, born about 1854 in Ryton, to Thomas Vallance in 1878 in Newcastle in which her father is Rodger Robson "land steward" and not noted as being deceased. Assuming that he was still alive and still working for Mr Lamb he should have been visible in the census's of 1861 and 1871 but I just can't find him. Have some details of the census's of those years in Ryton been lost or destroyed? Roger must have been living very close to John during that time, or does anyone have access to this information? John Robson (for some reason the message was missing from my prevoius emails)

On 20/02/2010 18:21, Beryl Rippon wrote: > My grandfather's brother was drowned in the River Tyne at South Shields and > his body pulled out by my grandfather, Joseph Blue b.1883 > I believe he could be John Richardson Blue b. 4th quarter 1873 in South > Shields (10a 756). Reg. 84 Entry 318 at South Tyneside Info. > But I need to confirm that his parents are James Blue& Mary Ann Blue (nee > Richardson) - having trouble with this, can anyone help me? Beryl The 1881 and 1891 censuses don't show John with James and Mary Ann BLUE (or any other BLUE family for that matter), so the only way of showing a connection would be by purchasing John's full birth certificate from South Tyneside Register Office or the GRO at Southport. The certificate would, of course, give his parent's names. The connection seems very likely as James BLUE married Mary Ann **RICHARDSON** at South Shields in 1872 and in 1873 we have the birth of John **Richardson** BLUE at South Shields Brian -- Brian Pears (Gateshead, UK) http://www.bpears.org.uk/ Joint List Admin NORTHUMBRIA Genealogy Mailing List GENUKI Northumberland Maintainer

My grandfather's brother was drowned in the River Tyne at South Shields and his body pulled out by my grandfather, Joseph Blue b.1883 I believe he could be John Richardson Blue b. 4th quarter 1873 in South Shields (10a 756). Reg. 84 Entry 318 at South Tyneside Info. But I need to confirm that his parents are James Blue & Mary Ann Blue (nee Richardson) - having trouble with this, can anyone help me? Many thanks Beryl Rippon

Maureen As you click the link the default map shows part of County Durham, but below the map are navigating symbols - up, down, left, right, magnify etc. If you use these you can work your way up the coast to Amble. Kath > hi again - sorry to be a nuisance but have lloked again and not been able to being up Amble, I am wondering if I am not doing this correctly - do you have instructions I could try and follow - Thanks > http://gis.durham.gov.uk/website/interMAP/viewer.htm >

hi again - sorry to be a nuisance but have lloked again and not been able to being up Amble, I am wondering if I am not doing this correctly - do you have instructions I could try and follow - Thanks > Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 00:39:55 +0000 > From: bp@bpears.org.uk > To: northumbria@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [NMB] Old maps > > On 16/02/2010 00:35, Maureen Doherty wrote: > > Hi - do you happen to have a link to old maps for Amble, Northumberland as the street where my grandmotherl ived has been demolished. > > Maureen > > The same URL covers Amble too. > > http://gis.durham.gov.uk/website/interMAP/viewer.htm > > > Brian > -- > Brian Pears (Gateshead, UK) http://www.bpears.org.uk/ > Joint List Admin NORTHUMBRIA Genealogy Mailing List > GENUKI Northumberland Maintainer > > > The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORTHUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Send us your Hotmail stories and be featured in our newsletter http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/195013117/direct/01/

Another route to maps of Amble is to access the Amble section of the web site communities.northumberland.gov.uk under menu headings of "Plans" and " Ordnance Maps" covering 1600s to early 1900s. Michael

Brian > Well as they say you learn something new everyday. Kitty > > Kitty > > We hung those convicted of murder so naturally there weren't > many sent to the colonies. :-) > > Brian >

HI Adrian I was told when querying why my GGG/Gdad, was only given a three month sentence and time served for murder after a pugilistic fight. > In which his opponent died. > Was that A Mans Property was of more importance. Most likely because of the acts of theft arising at that period in time. If you check Convict records you will find more were sent to our Colonies for theft than those for murder. The era of time for GGG/ Grandaddy was between 1820 and 1825. "A Mans Home is his Castle, his land his Kingdom". And as Brian has said different sets of values for a different set of times. We all have to bear in mind, when searching for our relies of old is That their circumstances were far different than ours. Kitty > > > > While searching the 19th century Newspaper Archive (in vain) to find any > trace of my g.g.grandfather William NiICHOLSON I found the following items > adjacent to each other in the search results - it is possible, but I think > unlikely, that the same man was involved in each. However comparison of the > sentencing would nowadays cause justifiable outrage: > > August 1862: William George Nicholson (an agent for a benefit society) was > charged with the attempted rape of a twelve-year-old girl in Newcastle. He > was found guilty and sentenced to three months in prison. > > At the Durham Special Sessions in February 1863, William George Nicholson, a > draper, was charged with the theft of several sums of money amounting to > about one pound. He was sentenced to six months in prison. > > (The next case that day involved a spinster who stole a bonnet and a > quantity of ribbon belonging to her master and received four years penal > servitude.) > > Yes, I realise the bare newspaper reports don't give all the details leading > to the decision of the courts, but even so..... > > Adrian > > > >

Thanks Ros, I am in New Zealand ,but I will try the websites. Cheers Lynne

> I have made some progress with finding my cousins in Newcastle on Tyne > recently. I have found that my mother's cousin XXXXXXXXXXXXXXX married > XXXXXXXXX in 1947. They appear to have had a son XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX in > 1949 in Newcastle on Tyne. I'd like to hear from anyone who may know of this > family (please keep privacy of living people in mind when replying via Colin This is in breach of our rules - you must not ask for or give information on living people on the list. Please do not do this again. Brian -- Brian Pears (Gateshead, UK) http://www.bpears.org.uk/ Joint List Admin NORTHUMBRIA Genealogy Mailing List GENUKI Northumberland Maintainer

On 18/02/2010 23:08, Kitty wrote: > If you check Convict records you will find more were sent to our > Colonies for theft than those for murder. Kitty We hung those convicted of murder so naturally there weren't many sent to the colonies. :-) Brian -- Brian Pears (Gateshead, UK) http://www.bpears.org.uk/ Joint List Admin NORTHUMBRIA Genealogy Mailing List GENUKI Northumberland Maintainer

Hi Debbie Many of my husband's ancestors and family lived in Shiremoor but they didn't treck to Tynemouth for major events - they walked across the fields to Earsdon Church. There are a lot of Forster/Fosters in the Registers. Cheers Jill in Sydney >It may help you to know that although Christ Church was Tynemouth >Parish church at the time the church building is in North Shields. >Mildred Robson >----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Simms" <gang@simmsy.plus.com> >To: <Northumbria@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 4:05 PM >Subject: [NMB] FOSTER.PERCY MAIN, ST.JOHN > > >I am looking for a baptism for above church for Elizabeth ROSE born >c 1872, parents? Edward and Elizabeth ROSE. >Same church Elizabeth (Lizzie) A Foster baptism c1891. Also Mary >Foster c1893 (born Shiremoor). > >Would be gratefull for any help or advice of how i could find the information. > >Debbie (Surrey)

How would I find out if a relation of mine joined the Boer war? I ask as the name of my relative does appear on the St Catherines list in the library but how do I find out if it is really him or someone with the same name? Thanks E. -----Original Message----- From: northumbria-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:northumbria-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Bruce Dodd Sent: 18 February 2010 01:46 To: northumbria@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NMB] Boer War Thanks, Delia. I understood the War Office turned over their Boer War records to Salt Lake City, which is why I was surprised at what I thought you said. I haven't visited their local centre for this subject yet. It's only a couple of miles away, but unfortunately it's on the way to the curling rink. Bruce Delia wrote: > Apologies if I have misled members by saying that I had got my grandfather's address at Parker's Cottages Willington Quay from his enlistment papers in the Boer War. I actually got it from the information on the Medal Roll for Kitchener's Horse which was presumably given on his enlistment. There were some enlistment papers at Kew but sadly not for him. > I was told that the 3 regiments he enlisted in (the others were the Peninsular Horse and Q Squadron Cape Colonial had little more at Kew than Medal Rolls and that most of the information was in South Africa. Apparently he enlisted out there. > Hope that is of some help > Delia > > > The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at > http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NORTHUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.435 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2693 - Release Date: > 02/17/10 07:35:00 > > The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORTHUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Facinating reading but how did you get to read them? E. -----Original Message----- From: northumbria-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:northumbria-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of ADRABBOTT@aol.com Sent: 17 February 2010 23:33 To: northumbria@rootsweb.com Subject: [NMB] Strange 19th Century Justice. While searching the 19th century Newspaper Archive (in vain) to find any trace of my g.g.grandfather William NiICHOLSON I found the following items adjacent to each other in the search results - it is possible, but I think unlikely, that the same man was involved in each. However comparison of the sentencing would nowadays cause justifiable outrage: August 1862: William George Nicholson (an agent for a benefit society) was charged with the attempted rape of a twelve-year-old girl in Newcastle. He was found guilty and sentenced to three months in prison. At the Durham Special Sessions in February 1863, William George Nicholson, a draper, was charged with the theft of several sums of money amounting to about one pound. He was sentenced to six months in prison. (The next case that day involved a spinster who stole a bonnet and a quantity of ribbon belonging to her master and received four years penal servitude.) Yes, I realise the bare newspaper reports don't give all the details leading to the decision of the courts, but even so..... Adrian The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORTHUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi, Colin: Sorry, can't help, but I'll snap off a signal to a Shields cousin who works in N/C. I'm a singular, but I never rule out the plurals when I'm hunting. Even Lloyd's Register can't get it right. I long ago shared an office with a fellow-engineer named Susciewicz (approx). To our great amusement, no one ever spelled his name wrong, because, we figured, they had to look it up. Anyone could have a shot at a name that's 75% D, and as often as not got it wrong. Pluralizing was (and remains) only one of many possibilities. Similarly I'm cursed by being called by my middle name, something quite beyond the capability of government or the financial industry. Bruce Dodd Ottawa Colin Lambie wrote: > Hi Bruce and others on this list, > I have made some progress with finding my cousins in Newcastle on Tyne > recently. I have found that my mother's cousin Frederick H DODDS married > Isabella LOGAN in 1947. They appear to have had a son Frederick M W DODDS in > 1949 in Newcastle on Tyne. I'd like to hear from anyone who may know of this > family (please keep privacy of living people in mind when replying via > list). > Thanks > Colin > colin@lambie.net.au > > -----Original Message----- > From: northumbria-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:northumbria-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Bruce Dodd > Sent: Thursday, 18 February 2010 12:46 PM > To: northumbria@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [NMB] Boer War > > Thanks, Delia. > I understood the War Office turned over their Boer War records to Salt > Lake City, which is why I was surprised at what I thought you said. I > haven't visited their local centre for this subject yet. It's only a > couple of miles away, but unfortunately it's on the way to the curling rink. > > Bruce > > Delia wrote: > >> Apologies if I have misled members by saying that I had got my >> > grandfather's address at Parker's Cottages Willington Quay from his > enlistment papers in the Boer War. I actually got it from the information on > the Medal Roll for Kitchener's Horse which was presumably given on his > enlistment. There were some enlistment papers at Kew but sadly not for him. > >> I was told that the 3 regiments he enlisted in (the others were the >> > Peninsular Horse and Q Squadron Cape Colonial had little more at Kew than > Medal Rolls and that most of the information was in South Africa. > Apparently he enlisted out there. > >> Hope that is of some help >> Delia >> >> >> The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at >> > http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ > >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > NORTHUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 8.5.435 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2693 - Release Date: 02/17/10 >> > 07:35:00 > >> >> > > > The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at > http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NORTHUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.733 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2692 - Release Date: 02/17/10 > 06:35:00 > > > > The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORTHUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.435 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2695 - Release Date: 02/18/10 07:34:00 > >

On 17/02/2010 23:32, ADRABBOTT@aol.com wrote: > August 1862: William George Nicholson (an agent for a benefit society) was > charged with the attempted rape of a twelve-year-old girl in Newcastle. He > was found guilty and sentenced to three months in prison. > > At the Durham Special Sessions in February 1863, William George Nicholson, > a draper, was charged with the theft of several sums of money amounting > to about one pound. He was sentenced to six months in prison. Adrian It is a huge mistake to judge our forebears' decisions by today's values. In Victorian England priorities were very different - children were viewed differently - virtually everything was viewed differently. They made their decisions quite properly according to the values of their time and who are we to gainsay them? No doubt in 140 years time today's legal and moral decisions will seem just as quaint and unjust. Brian -- Brian Pears (Gateshead, UK) http://www.bpears.org.uk/ Joint List Admin NORTHUMBRIA Genealogy Mailing List GENUKI Northumberland Maintainer

In a message dated 18/02/2010 23:08:46 GMT Standard Time, chimmyhorse@tastel.net.au writes: We all have to bear in mind, when searching for our relies of old is That their circumstances were far different than ours. Yes, I sent this in because I thought it would interest people, and it has. As for where did I get this, I'm sure this has been listed before, but the resource is at http://find.galegroup.com/ This is the Gale Group Database of 19th Century Newspapers and it is subscription only. However, before I get thrown off for advertising commercial ventures, many public libraries and universities have subscriptions, and I don't believe it is available to individuals. I access it for free by putting my public library ticket number into the website. I am in Hampshire and get it, my sister in East Sussex doesn't. It has the Newcastle Courant group and Northern Echo papers and many more around the country; the search engine is a bit unreliable because it relies on scanned images, so if the newsprint is not clear it is pot luck whether you will find what you are looking for. But I have found it exceedingly useful and I would recommend everyone to try their local library to see if they can access it. Adrian Adrian

Lynne In the Family Search parish records for Newcastle St Johns image 150 shows Mary d of Edward Stokoe Pinmaker and Dorothy Forsythe born Oct 10 1790 baptised Nov 7 1790. Perhaps this is relevant for you. Barbara ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin & Lynne Hyde" <kevynne@xtra.co.nz> To: <NORTHUMBRIA@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 2:47 AM Subject: [NMB] st.john lee > Could anybody please tell me where to find the parish records for St.John > Lee. I am looking for the Stokoe family of Thomas and Frances 1760- 1820 . > Maryann was ch.1815-1816 > > thanks > Lynne > > > The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at > http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NORTHUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >