Hi Keith Try St Anne's. However please note there are gaps and omissions in all the online BTs I have viewed so you need to check the actual parish records also. Sometimes people were buried further afield than you might expect so you then need to work your way outwards. Good luck Ingrid On 27/02/2010, at 4:09 AM, Keith Walker <keith.walker47@ntlworld.com> wrote: > > Two of the Myers family died in 1838, but where would they be > buried, they are not in the All Saints records

On 26/02/2010 19:21, Bruce Dodd wrote: > Would Keith Walker or someone please explain what web site Keith was > talking about? Bruce It gives access to many fascinating data sets, including images of Bishops Transcripts (copies of parish registers) for the Diocese of Durham (Durham & Northumberland plus a sliver of Cumberland). I use this resource and Ireland BMDs on the same site almost daily, it's invaluable. To access the BTs go to http://search.labs.familysearch.org/recordsearch/ Click on "Browse our record collections" Click on Europe Click on "England, Diocese of Durham Bishops' Transcripts" Navigate to the parish of interest - and dive in. There are many other fascinating record sets there for other areas of the UK and other countries - off topic here, but well worth exploring. Brian -- Brian Pears (Gateshead, UK) http://www.bpears.org.uk/ Joint List Admin NORTHUMBRIA Genealogy Mailing List GENUKI Northumberland Maintainer

Many thanks, Brian, yet again, on behalf of many, I'm sure. Bruce Dodd Brian Pears wrote: > On 26/02/2010 19:21, Bruce Dodd wrote: > >> Would Keith Walker or someone please explain what web site Keith was >> talking about? >> > > Bruce > > It gives access to many fascinating data sets, including images > of Bishops Transcripts (copies of parish registers) for the > Diocese of Durham (Durham & Northumberland plus a sliver of > Cumberland). I use this resource and Ireland BMDs on the same > site almost daily, it's invaluable. > > To access the BTs go to > > http://search.labs.familysearch.org/recordsearch/ > > Click on "Browse our record collections" > > Click on Europe > > Click on "England, Diocese of Durham Bishops' Transcripts" > > Navigate to the parish of interest - and dive in. > > There are many other fascinating record sets there for other > areas of the UK and other countries - off topic here, but well > worth exploring. > > Brian > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.435 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2712 - Release Date: 02/26/10 19:39:00 > >

hello list I have worked out how to change the image number to save going through all the images on Record search pilot Go into record search pilot bring up the parish you require change the image number and press enter on your keyboard....it does not work by clicking a mouse the above also only works on the small image and not the full screen hope this is useful to any one using the search records regards keith walker

Hello List I have a MYERS family who were living in the Keelmans hospital in 1838 where my gg.grandmother was a cook All of the Myers children were baptised at All Saints Newcastle between 1814 and 1838 Two of the Myers family died in 1838, but where would they be buried, they are not in the All Saints records any information to point me in the right direction would be gratefully received regards keith walker

Would Keith Walker or someone please explain what web site Keith was talking about? Thanks on behalf of us newbies Bruce Dodd Ottawa

Hi John, Its something that we might never know! I have George MARLEY who went from being a miner on the 1861 Census to a Confectioner at the Side Newcastle on the 1871 Census. You could try and look at land/farm records which may give some clues. Best of luck, Carole E Atkinson -----Original Message----- From: northumbria-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:northumbria-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of john robson Sent: 25 February 2010 11:07 To: northumbria@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NMB] 1861 and 1871 census of Ryton Hi Carole, I've just had a close look at the the original census image of the 1871 census whose reference you gave me. The enumerator has confused the birth places of Roger and Margaret. Roger was born in Elsdon and Margaret was born in Wylam Mills. That makes it much clearer. I wonder how or why he went from farm manager in 1861 to agric lab in 1871. John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carole Atkinson" <carole@auckland.fsnet.co.uk> To: <northumbria@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, February 22, 2010 8:27 AM Subject: Re: [NMB] 1861 and 1871 census of Ryton > Hi John, > I have just checked with Brian re reference numbers regarding the 1861 and > 1871 Census. > Here they are, 1861 Census ref.RG9/3809 Folio 55 P10 > 1871 Census ref RG10/5068 Folio 4 P2. > Hope this helps, > Carole E Atkinson > > -----Original Message----- > From: northumbria-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:northumbria-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Carole Atkinson > Sent: 21 February 2010 17:26 > To: northumbria@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [NMB] 1861 and 1871 census of Ryton > > > Hi John, > Found the following, > Ryton Park 1861 Census. . > Roger ROBSON. 45 yrs. Farm Manager Born Otterburn. > Elizabeth ROBSON 40 yrs Born Wylam. > Rodger 16 or 15 yrs. House Servant. Born Elsdon. > Joseph 13 yrs Farm Worker. Born Ryton. > Margaret 1o yrs Scholar. Born Ryton. > Catherine 6 yrs. Scholar. Born Ryton. > Jane 4yrs Born Ryton.. > > Ryton Park 1871 Census. > Roger ROBSON 56yrs Agric Lab. Born Bolam Hills???? Rather > illegible. > Elizabeth ROBSON 49 yrs Born Elsdon. > Jane 14 yrs Born Ryton. > > > Please note that his wife is called Elizabeth on these two Census, > Margaret > may have had this as another name or Margaret may have died. I have had a > quick look but can't find that Roger remarried. Just a possibility. > Best of luck. > Carole E Atkinson > > -----Original Message----- > From: northumbria-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:northumbria-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of john robson > Sent: 21 February 2010 10:58 > To: Northumbria; Durham and Northumberland > Subject: [NMB] 1861 and 1871 census of Ryton > > > Hi All, > > can anyone help in my search. > > > > My gggranfather Roger Robson born in Elsdon in 1813 lived there until at > least 1848 where he was a shepherd, > > then a farm labourer. He married Margaret Davison born in Shilbottle > 1815, > in Gateshead in 1839 but took his wife > > back to Elsdon where his first three children were born, including my > ggrandfather John Robson. > > I found Roger next in the 1851 census in Ryton County Durham > working for Mr Joseph Lamb, a Scottish > > coal owner at Ryton Hall, Roger is now a husbandman. > > Ggrandfather John Robson eventually became a coachman for Mr > Lamb and his life is traceable until his > > death in 1891(just before the census). > > I have lately fond the marriage certificate of his daughter > Margaret, born about 1854 in Ryton, to Thomas > > Vallance in 1878 in Newcastle in which her father is Rodger Robson "land > steward" and not noted as being deceased. > > Assuming that he was still alive and still working for Mr Lamb > he should have been visible in the census's > > of 1861 and 1871 but I just can't find him. > > > > Have some details of the census's of those years in Ryton been > lost or destroyed? Roger must have been > > living very close to John during that time, or does anyone have access to > this information? > > > > John Robson > > > > (for some reason the message was missing from my prevoius emails) > > > > The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at > http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NORTHUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at > http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NORTHUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at > http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NORTHUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ______________________________________________ > This email has been scanned by Netintelligence > http://www.netintelligence.com/email > The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORTHUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I'm hoping someone can help. I'm trying to trace the parents/family of Ann MacDonald, (known as Annie but listed as Ann at marraige). She married my GGG Grandfather John Cairns. Im at a loss to find an Ann MacDonald (or Annie/McDonald) in the census records for the Rothbury or surrounding area in 1871/1881. I'm also hopefully someone may also have access to the marraiges records for the Rothbury area. As the records indicated that they were married Apr-May-Jun 1888, this may indicate her parents. The information I have collated from a basic search so far is as follows :- Ann (Annie) MacDonald c. 1865 Rothbury, Northumberland (from 1891/1901 Census) Ann (Annie's) Parents were ??????? I was told that she lived at the 'Bell' near Alwinton in her later years, (not sure where this was, the only references to Bell I can find are, Watty Bells Cairn and Bell Hill). Married Apr-May-Jun 1888 in Rothbury Northumberland, England Lived at Whitton Hill Head Cottage, Rothbury, Northumberland in 1891 (from 1891 Census ref.RG12/4272 Folio 95 P9) Lived at High Farnham, Near Alwinton in 1901 (from 1901 Census ref.RG13/4852 Folio 26 P5) Her husband's info........ John Cairns b. 1856 Rothbury, Northumberland d.1902 Rothbury, Northumberland John's Parents were Joseph Cairns b.1830 and Sarah Douglas b. 1835 Occupation - Agricultural Labourer/Farm Steward Born Jan-Feb-Mar 1856 in Rothbury, Northumberland, England Died Jul-Aug-Sep 1902 in Rothbury, Northumberland, England Married Apr-May-Jun 1888 in Rothbury Northumberland, England Lived at Trewhitt Steads, Northumberland in 1861 Lived at Low Trewhitt Steads, Northumberland in 1871 Lived at Adycombe Cottages, Rothbury, Nothumberland in 1881(from 1881 Census ref.RG11/5137 Folio 91 P13) Lived at Whitton Hill Head Cottage, Rothbury, Northumberland in 1891 (from 1891 Census ref.RG12/4272 Folio 95 P9) Lived at High Farnham, Near Alwinton, Northumberland in 1901 (from 1901 Census ref.RG13/4852 Folio 26 P5) They both had several children Thomas Donald Cairns b. 1889 Rothbury (known as Tom) Joseph Cairns b. 1891 Rothbury (known as Jo/Joe) my GG Grandfather Jane Ann Cairns b. 1894 Rothbury Elizabeth Ellen Cairns b. 1897 Alwinton (possibly High Farnham) Sarah Annie Cairns b. 1899 Alwinton (possibly High Farnham) Jack Cairns b. 1902 (Jack is a bit of a mystery as my grandfather thought that he may have been murdered then later changed his mind and said no he was killed. Have found no records of Jack at all so far, but that one looks like another story) Can anyone help? Best Regards Kevin Moody

Hi Carole, I've just had a close look at the the original census image of the 1871 census whose reference you gave me. The enumerator has confused the birth places of Roger and Margaret. Roger was born in Elsdon and Margaret was born in Wylam Mills. That makes it much clearer. I wonder how or why he went from farm manager in 1861 to agric lab in 1871. John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carole Atkinson" <carole@auckland.fsnet.co.uk> To: <northumbria@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, February 22, 2010 8:27 AM Subject: Re: [NMB] 1861 and 1871 census of Ryton > Hi John, > I have just checked with Brian re reference numbers regarding the 1861 and > 1871 Census. > Here they are, 1861 Census ref.RG9/3809 Folio 55 P10 > 1871 Census ref RG10/5068 Folio 4 P2. > Hope this helps, > Carole E Atkinson > > -----Original Message----- > From: northumbria-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:northumbria-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Carole Atkinson > Sent: 21 February 2010 17:26 > To: northumbria@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [NMB] 1861 and 1871 census of Ryton > > > Hi John, > Found the following, > Ryton Park 1861 Census. . > Roger ROBSON. 45 yrs. Farm Manager Born Otterburn. > Elizabeth ROBSON 40 yrs Born Wylam. > Rodger 16 or 15 yrs. House Servant. Born Elsdon. > Joseph 13 yrs Farm Worker. Born Ryton. > Margaret 1o yrs Scholar. Born Ryton. > Catherine 6 yrs. Scholar. Born Ryton. > Jane 4yrs Born Ryton.. > > Ryton Park 1871 Census. > Roger ROBSON 56yrs Agric Lab. Born Bolam Hills???? Rather > illegible. > Elizabeth ROBSON 49 yrs Born Elsdon. > Jane 14 yrs Born Ryton. > > > Please note that his wife is called Elizabeth on these two Census, > Margaret > may have had this as another name or Margaret may have died. I have had a > quick look but can't find that Roger remarried. Just a possibility. > Best of luck. > Carole E Atkinson > > -----Original Message----- > From: northumbria-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:northumbria-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of john robson > Sent: 21 February 2010 10:58 > To: Northumbria; Durham and Northumberland > Subject: [NMB] 1861 and 1871 census of Ryton > > > Hi All, > > can anyone help in my search. > > > > My gggranfather Roger Robson born in Elsdon in 1813 lived there until at > least 1848 where he was a shepherd, > > then a farm labourer. He married Margaret Davison born in Shilbottle > 1815, > in Gateshead in 1839 but took his wife > > back to Elsdon where his first three children were born, including my > ggrandfather John Robson. > > I found Roger next in the 1851 census in Ryton County Durham > working for Mr Joseph Lamb, a Scottish > > coal owner at Ryton Hall, Roger is now a husbandman. > > Ggrandfather John Robson eventually became a coachman for Mr > Lamb and his life is traceable until his > > death in 1891(just before the census). > > I have lately fond the marriage certificate of his daughter > Margaret, born about 1854 in Ryton, to Thomas > > Vallance in 1878 in Newcastle in which her father is Rodger Robson "land > steward" and not noted as being deceased. > > Assuming that he was still alive and still working for Mr Lamb > he should have been visible in the census's > > of 1861 and 1871 but I just can't find him. > > > > Have some details of the census's of those years in Ryton been > lost or destroyed? Roger must have been > > living very close to John during that time, or does anyone have access to > this information? > > > > John Robson > > > > (for some reason the message was missing from my prevoius emails) > > > > The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at > http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NORTHUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at > http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NORTHUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at > http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NORTHUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ______________________________________________ > This email has been scanned by Netintelligence > http://www.netintelligence.com/email >

Hi! I have just rejoined the list after several years and am keen to pick up information about my family. My SNOWDON ancestors were in Haltwhistle before 1700 and left about 1865. A particular question relates to the marriage of John SNOWDON to Frances ARMSTRONG in 1753. Frances' maiden name was SPROAT and she was the daughter of John and Jane and born in 1728. Who was her first husband and when did he die? John SNOWDON had also been married earlier and had two sons, John and Robert. Who was his first wife and when did she die? I am sure there will be more questions or perhaps I can help someone else. Maurice Snowdon in Sheffield

Robin Here are the death notices from Newcastle's Evening Chronicle (not the Courant) Kath Film ref - DA27, Jan-Apr 1894 No. 2,653 / Monday, April 30, 1894 / Price One Halfpenny GARDNER - 2, Sedgewick Place, Gateshead, April 29th, Hannah, fifth daughter of the late Joseph Gardner of Team Colliery. Interment at Gateshead Cemetery, Wednesday, May 2nd, at 3 o'clock. Friends please accept this intimation. Film ref - DA31, May-Aug 1895 No. 2,973 / Wednesday, May 8, 1895 / Price One Halfpenny GARDNER - Gateshead, 49, South Street, 8th inst., aged 1 year 8 months, Thomas, dearly beloved son of George and Elizabeth Gardner. Interment on Saturday at Gateshead Cemetery. Friends kindly invited. Film ref - DA33, Jan-Apr 1896 No. 3,186 / Saturday, January 11, 1896 / Price One Halfpenny GARDNER - Gateshead, 1 Union Place, Coatsworth Road, Jan. 9th, Hannah, beloved wife of Robert Gardner, chemist. Interment at Gateshead Cemetery on Sunday, Jan., 12th, at 2.45 p.m. Film ref - DA61, Sep-Dec 1904 No. 5,951 / Friday, November 11, 1904 / Price One Halfpenny GARDNER - 206, Windsor Avenue, Gateshead, 10th inst., aged 29, Alice, the beloved wife of John William Gardner. To be interred on Sunday, 13th; lift at 3. Friends please accept this, the only intimation. __________________ >The Newcastle Courant index of death notices includes GARDNER, Alice 11 Nov 1904 29 Gateshead GARDNER, Hannah 30 Apr 1894 Gateshead GARDNER, Hannah 11 Jan 1896 Gateshead GARDNER, Thomas 8 May 1895 18m Gateshead

Hi Could someone let me know how I can contact either the church in Lanchester or library there. I would like to see if my Eliza. Jane HANEY and/or husband James E. HANEY are buried there thanks. Also does anyone know if there are local papers in Lanchester that may have obituraries/death notices for family members. Much appreciated kind regards Dianna

On 24/02/2010 02:45, dianna charles wrote: > Could someone let me know how I can contact either the church in > Lanchester or library there. I would like to see if my Eliza. Jane HANEY > and/or husband James E. HANEY are buried there thanks. Dianna It is extremely unlikely that the church or Lanchester Library will be able to help you because the old burial registers (up to 1928 I believe) have been transferred to Durham County Record Office in Durham City. This office also has microfilm copies of the registers up to 1987 and has a research service for those who cannot visit personally. http://nd.durham.gov.uk/recordoffice Brian -- Brian Pears (Gateshead, UK) http://www.bpears.org.uk/ Joint List Admin NORTHUMBRIA Genealogy Mailing List GENUKI Northumberland Maintainer

Can anyone help with deaths of some GARDNERs in Gateshead? The Newcastle Courant index of death notices includes GARDNER, Alice 11 Nov 1904 29 Gateshead GARDNER, Hannah 30 Apr 1894   Gateshead GARDNER, Hannah 11 Jan 1896   Gateshead GARDNER, Thomas 8 May 1895 18m Gateshead We are trying to sort out the challenging family of James Amory GARDNER and his wife Henrietta Jane FENWICKE We have their deaths in Gateshead and their entries in the 1901 and 1911 Census. The latter states 14 children born to this marriage and we are missing 4 of those. TIA Robin

Hi Carole, thanks for your reply, I don't think this is my Roger but I will certainly have to investigate further. My Roger worked for Mr Joseph Lamb of Ryton Hall and I see there is now a Ryton Park hotel in Ryton, I need to find out all I can about these places. Are they one and the same? John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carole Atkinson" <carole@auckland.fsnet.co.uk> To: <northumbria@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, February 22, 2010 8:27 AM Subject: Re: [NMB] 1861 and 1871 census of Ryton > Hi John, > I have just checked with Brian re reference numbers regarding the 1861 and > 1871 Census. > Here they are, 1861 Census ref.RG9/3809 Folio 55 P10 > 1871 Census ref RG10/5068 Folio 4 P2. > Hope this helps, > Carole E Atkinson > > -----Original Message----- > From: northumbria-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:northumbria-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Carole Atkinson > Sent: 21 February 2010 17:26 > To: northumbria@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [NMB] 1861 and 1871 census of Ryton > > > Hi John, > Found the following, > Ryton Park 1861 Census. . > Roger ROBSON. 45 yrs. Farm Manager Born Otterburn. > Elizabeth ROBSON 40 yrs Born Wylam. > Rodger 16 or 15 yrs. House Servant. Born Elsdon. > Joseph 13 yrs Farm Worker. Born Ryton. > Margaret 1o yrs Scholar. Born Ryton. > Catherine 6 yrs. Scholar. Born Ryton. > Jane 4yrs Born Ryton.. > > Ryton Park 1871 Census. > Roger ROBSON 56yrs Agric Lab. Born Bolam Hills???? Rather > illegible. > Elizabeth ROBSON 49 yrs Born Elsdon. > Jane 14 yrs Born Ryton. > > > Please note that his wife is called Elizabeth on these two Census, > Margaret > may have had this as another name or Margaret may have died. I have had a > quick look but can't find that Roger remarried. Just a possibility. > Best of luck. > Carole E Atkinson > > -----Original Message----- > From: northumbria-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:northumbria-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of john robson > Sent: 21 February 2010 10:58 > To: Northumbria; Durham and Northumberland > Subject: [NMB] 1861 and 1871 census of Ryton > > > Hi All, > > can anyone help in my search. > > > > My gggranfather Roger Robson born in Elsdon in 1813 lived there until at > least 1848 where he was a shepherd, > > then a farm labourer. He married Margaret Davison born in Shilbottle > 1815, > in Gateshead in 1839 but took his wife > > back to Elsdon where his first three children were born, including my > ggrandfather John Robson. > > I found Roger next in the 1851 census in Ryton County Durham > working for Mr Joseph Lamb, a Scottish > > coal owner at Ryton Hall, Roger is now a husbandman. > > Ggrandfather John Robson eventually became a coachman for Mr > Lamb and his life is traceable until his > > death in 1891(just before the census). > > I have lately fond the marriage certificate of his daughter > Margaret, born about 1854 in Ryton, to Thomas > > Vallance in 1878 in Newcastle in which her father is Rodger Robson "land > steward" and not noted as being deceased. > > Assuming that he was still alive and still working for Mr Lamb > he should have been visible in the census's > > of 1861 and 1871 but I just can't find him. > > > > Have some details of the census's of those years in Ryton been > lost or destroyed? Roger must have been > > living very close to John during that time, or does anyone have access to > this information? > > > > John Robson > > > > (for some reason the message was missing from my prevoius emails) > > > > The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at > http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NORTHUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at > http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NORTHUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at > http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NORTHUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ______________________________________________ > This email has been scanned by Netintelligence > http://www.netintelligence.com/email >

Thanks Brian, always best to check. Carole -----Original Message----- From: northumbria-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:northumbria-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Brian Pears Sent: 21 February 2010 19:53 To: northumbria@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NMB] query On 21/02/2010 17:28, Carole Atkinson wrote: > I have just sent a reply to a Mr John ROBSON re Census info. I did > not quote the exact RG numbers, Folio and page number. I am correct in > thinking that there are some rules about quoting the exact Census details? Carole Yes, you must quote full refs. The reason is that the National Archives claim copyright over transcripts as well as images of census returns, but they waive the copyright of transcripts on condition that (a) the transcript is accurate and (b) that a full reference is quoted. Brian -- Brian Pears (Gateshead, UK) http://www.bpears.org.uk/ Joint List Admin NORTHUMBRIA Genealogy Mailing List GENUKI Northumberland Maintainer The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORTHUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi John, I have just checked with Brian re reference numbers regarding the 1861 and 1871 Census. Here they are, 1861 Census ref.RG9/3809 Folio 55 P10 1871 Census ref RG10/5068 Folio 4 P2. Hope this helps, Carole E Atkinson -----Original Message----- From: northumbria-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:northumbria-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Carole Atkinson Sent: 21 February 2010 17:26 To: northumbria@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NMB] 1861 and 1871 census of Ryton Hi John, Found the following, Ryton Park 1861 Census. . Roger ROBSON. 45 yrs. Farm Manager Born Otterburn. Elizabeth ROBSON 40 yrs Born Wylam. Rodger 16 or 15 yrs. House Servant. Born Elsdon. Joseph 13 yrs Farm Worker. Born Ryton. Margaret 1o yrs Scholar. Born Ryton. Catherine 6 yrs. Scholar. Born Ryton. Jane 4yrs Born Ryton.. Ryton Park 1871 Census. Roger ROBSON 56yrs Agric Lab. Born Bolam Hills???? Rather illegible. Elizabeth ROBSON 49 yrs Born Elsdon. Jane 14 yrs Born Ryton. Please note that his wife is called Elizabeth on these two Census, Margaret may have had this as another name or Margaret may have died. I have had a quick look but can't find that Roger remarried. Just a possibility. Best of luck. Carole E Atkinson -----Original Message----- From: northumbria-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:northumbria-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of john robson Sent: 21 February 2010 10:58 To: Northumbria; Durham and Northumberland Subject: [NMB] 1861 and 1871 census of Ryton Hi All, can anyone help in my search. My gggranfather Roger Robson born in Elsdon in 1813 lived there until at least 1848 where he was a shepherd, then a farm labourer. He married Margaret Davison born in Shilbottle 1815, in Gateshead in 1839 but took his wife back to Elsdon where his first three children were born, including my ggrandfather John Robson. I found Roger next in the 1851 census in Ryton County Durham working for Mr Joseph Lamb, a Scottish coal owner at Ryton Hall, Roger is now a husbandman. Ggrandfather John Robson eventually became a coachman for Mr Lamb and his life is traceable until his death in 1891(just before the census). I have lately fond the marriage certificate of his daughter Margaret, born about 1854 in Ryton, to Thomas Vallance in 1878 in Newcastle in which her father is Rodger Robson "land steward" and not noted as being deceased. Assuming that he was still alive and still working for Mr Lamb he should have been visible in the census's of 1861 and 1871 but I just can't find him. Have some details of the census's of those years in Ryton been lost or destroyed? Roger must have been living very close to John during that time, or does anyone have access to this information? John Robson (for some reason the message was missing from my prevoius emails) The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORTHUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORTHUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

On 21/02/2010 17:25, Carole Atkinson wrote: > Ryton Park 1861 Census. . > Ryton Park 1871 Census. Carole Please note that full references MUST be given when census transcripts are posted. The reason is that the National Archives claim copyright over transcripts as well as images of census returns, but they waive the copyright of transcripts on condition that (a) the transcripts are accurate and (b) that full references are quoted. Also, from a practical point of view, references enable others to navigate to the entry themselves more easily. Brian -- Brian Pears (Gateshead, UK) http://www.bpears.org.uk/ Joint List Admin NORTHUMBRIA Genealogy Mailing List GENUKI Northumberland Maintainer

On 21/02/2010 17:28, Carole Atkinson wrote: > I have just sent a reply to a Mr John ROBSON re Census info. I did > not quote the exact RG numbers, Folio and page number. I am correct in > thinking that there are some rules about quoting the exact Census details? Carole Yes, you must quote full refs. The reason is that the National Archives claim copyright over transcripts as well as images of census returns, but they waive the copyright of transcripts on condition that (a) the transcript is accurate and (b) that a full reference is quoted. Brian -- Brian Pears (Gateshead, UK) http://www.bpears.org.uk/ Joint List Admin NORTHUMBRIA Genealogy Mailing List GENUKI Northumberland Maintainer

Hi Brian, I have just sent a reply to a Mr John ROBSON re Census info. I did not quote the exact RG numbers, Folio and page number. I am correct in thinking that there are some rules about quoting the exact Census details? Many thanks, Carole E Atkinson