Hi, Listers. After my recent enquiry, which failed to elicit a definitive explanation of 'hurd', I returned to Ryhope and the 'hurds' mentioned in the Baptism records. I think I could be forgiven for reading 'hurds', but thanks to your comments, some web research into old occupations, and the laptop's zoom-in feature I am now persuaded that those fathers were in fact 'Hinds', as someone suggested. I wonder what other handwriting I've misread. I'm sorry to have led the List astray. Bruce Dodd Ottawa

Many thanks to the several Listers who almost instantly provided help, offer of research, history lessons (I thought in high school that I had far too much English history: wrong again) and suggestions to solve the question of hurd. I was wrong about Burns: I think maybe that was 'hurdies' in the address to a haggis. Sincerely Bruce Dodd Ottawa

Hi Michael, >From a tree on Ancestry-- Alice, dau of John Fawcus (1748-1824 )and Alice Gibson (1758-1839 ). No source is given but perhaps this will point you in the right direction. I can't find in a census. Regards, Joan Ottawa . a.. Birth13 APR 1789 b.. in Newham, Bamburgh Parish, England ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fairless, Michael" <michael.fairless@hp.com> To: <Northumbria@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, March 05, 2010 05:45 Subject: [NMB] Cornfoot in first half of 19th cenury > All, > I have Alice FAWCUS marrying George CORNFOOT 24.12.1808 > They had a son George FALCUS Cornfoot born 13.3.1815 and baptised > 26.9.1817 at Christ Church Tynemouth the same day as daughter Dorothy > Cornfoot. Father was a Master Mariner of Wellington St, North Shields > Then on 3.2.1819 George FAWCUS Cornfoot was baptised at Chatton to parents > George and Alice Cornfoot, father George was a mariner of North Shields so > obviously the same family and presumably the first George Falcus Cornfoot > had died between 26.9.1817 and 3.2.1819. > > I would be grateful if anyone can find this family on a census). I am > trying to confirm the birth date/year of Alice Cornfoot (nee > Fawcus/Falcus) but any more details would be appreciated. I suspect a > birth date/year of approximately 1787 so being alive in 1841 or 1851 is a > possibility. > > > > Many thanks > > Mike Fairless > > > > > > > The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at > http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NORTHUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

All, I have Alice FAWCUS marrying George CORNFOOT 24.12.1808 They had a son George FALCUS Cornfoot born 13.3.1815 and baptised 26.9.1817 at Christ Church Tynemouth the same day as daughter Dorothy Cornfoot. Father was a Master Mariner of Wellington St, North Shields Then on 3.2.1819 George FAWCUS Cornfoot was baptised at Chatton to parents George and Alice Cornfoot, father George was a mariner of North Shields so obviously the same family and presumably the first George Falcus Cornfoot had died between 26.9.1817 and 3.2.1819. I would be grateful if anyone can find this family on a census). I am trying to confirm the birth date/year of Alice Cornfoot (nee Fawcus/Falcus) but any more details would be appreciated. I suspect a birth date/year of approximately 1787 so being alive in 1841 or 1851 is a possibility. Many thanks Mike Fairless

Hi Nivard, Thanks for that. The passages that I found it in now make much more sense. Rod S.

Hi Rod Take a look here http://www.indigogroup.co.uk/durhamdialect/hetton1896.htm And http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~dadsweb/journal/twrs-comments.htm I wondered if it involved a Tin Baff but no <g> Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > Hi, > > I've been looking at some old coal mining records for Northumberland > around > 1900-1920. Can anyone tell me what 'Baff' Saturday/s was or were? Any help > much appreciated. > > Rod S.

Hi, I've been looking at some old coal mining records for Northumberland around 1900-1920. Can anyone tell me what 'Baff' Saturday/s was or were? Any help much appreciated. Rod S.

Hello Listers Those researchers who have got back to the early 1700s and beyond may find the Durham Hearth Tax Returns useful in locating ancestors in earlier times. Hearth Tax Online is a website providing data and analysis of the records of the hearth tax. The tax was introduced in England & Wales in 1662 to provide income for King Charles II and was a tax on dwellings according to the number of fireplaces in the dwelling. The site is a work in progress and there is limited information available at present however you can read about the history of the tax, and view some general information for Durham including a surname index. The material has been researched by staff and volunteers at Roehampton University. http://www.hearthtax.org.uk/index_files/Durham_online.htm Cheers Jill in Sydney

Or maybe "Hind". Also looking after animals. Mike Temple, Spain. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Heather Punshon" <punshon@sasktel.net> To: <northumbria@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2010 6:08 PM Subject: Re: [NMB] Parish of Ryhope > I'm guessing it is a misspelling of Herd - a person who looked after > animals > >> >>> f) What is a hurd, please? Is it a Northumbrian word? Didn't Burns >>> use it? >>> > > > The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at > http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NORTHUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.435 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2721 - Release Date: 03/03/10 19:34:00

I'm guessing it is a misspelling of Herd - a person who looked after animals > >> f) What is a hurd, please? Is it a Northumbrian word? Didn't Burns >> use it? >>

About two years ago I came across a copy of a document "Copy of Tombstones, Ryhope Old Church, before their removal in 1978 - adjoining C of E infant section of the Primary School' This also contains a plan of the headstones.. I am not sure of the background to this document being made other than that I believe that a car parking area was being created and some of the area was tarmacced. I made a transcription of the copy and having had another look at it the earliest burial is c1824 and the latest c1876. I can have a look through this for particular names, if this weill help. Alan Vickers.

Bruce, > f) What is a hurd, please? Is it a Northumbrian word? Didn't Burns > use it? A quick look at an online dictionary gave the following defintion: "the refuse or coarser parts of flax or hemp, separated in hackling" This is also given in The Shorter Oxford English Dictionary as an alternative to hards. Regards, Russ _________________________________________________________________ Do you have a story that started on Hotmail? Tell us now http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/195013117/direct/01/

On 04/03/2010 04:13, Bruce Dodd wrote: > a) The BTs are for 1827 to 1859. Where could one look for records > before and after that period? > > b) What happened in 1856 to change the records from the Chapelry of > Ryhope to the Parish of Ryhope? > > c) How does a 'chapelry' differ from a parish? New word for me. Bruce A "chapelry" is a sort of branch church - in this case a branch of Bishopwearmouth, St Michael. It would have had it's own clergyman and its own area - but it operated under the control of the vicar of Bishopwearmouth. Chapelries tend to be set up in large parishes when settlements are established a long way from the parish church - they save the people in that settlement a long journey. Successful chapelries often eventually become parishes in their own right and become independent of their former "mother" church. So we had the huge parish of Bishopwearmouth, St Michael. A settlement grew at Ryhope, which was within the parish but a long way from the church, so in 1827 Ryhope, St Paul was built as a Chapelry within the parish with responsibility for a section of the parish around Ryhope. In 1856 Ryhope, St Paul and the area it served became a parish in its own right quite separate from Bishopwearmouth, St Michael. For pre-1827 records of Ryhope, see the records of Bishopwearmouth, St Michael - either BTs or original registers (on microfilm) at Durham Record Office or Tyne & Wear Archives. For post 1859 records of Ryhope see Ryhope St Paul original registers (on microfilm) at Durham Record Office or Tyne & Wear Archives. I can't help with the other queries. Brian -- Brian Pears (Gateshead, UK) http://www.bpears.org.uk/ Joint List Admin NORTHUMBRIA Genealogy Mailing List GENUKI Northumberland Maintainer

Brian: When do you sleep? You don't leave much to choose between 'instant replay' and 'instant reply'. Thank you so much for your complete (inadequate word) explanation of chapelries and for the rest of your answer. That must be why the earlier entries are signed by the same man as 'sub-vicar', and later as 'Incumbent'. The St Michael's you mention must be the parish of which my ggfather, John Bruce, became Relieving Officer, per the 1881 census. Another clue. Little by little. Don't know how you do it. Thanks again, Bruce Dodd

Following Brian Pears' tips on using http://search.labs.familysearch.org/recordsearch/ I started prospecting through the Bishop's Transcripts concerning the Parish of Ryhope. They seem to be a very promising vein of ancestors even if one or two of the colours prove to be pyrites. But they led to some questions that I hope some kind Lister may be able to answer. a) The BTs are for 1827 to 1859. Where could one look for records before and after that period? b) What happened in 1856 to change the records from the Chapelry of Ryhope to the Parish of Ryhope? c) How does a 'chapelry' differ from a parish? New word for me. d) The Abode of one family of interest is shown as 'Sunderland Ways'. Is that a hamlet, a road, or what? e) Could 'Wall House', Ryhope, be the name of a farm or farmhouse? f) What is a hurd, please? Is it a Northumbrian word? Didn't Burns use it? I hope that's not too many questions. Thank you Bruce Dodd, Ottawa

Brian, Thank you for your help. I can now make out Catcote now you have pointed it out. It is an area I had not previously heard of. Regards, Cecilia "Next door"? It was the previous residence on the enumerator's walk, but it was on a different street and need not even be close by. Having said that, it's certainly worth investigating a possible relationship. Brian -- Brian Pears (Gateshead, UK) http://www.bpears.org.uk/ Joint List Admin NORTHUMBRIA Genealogy Mailing List GENUKI Northumberland Maintainer -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.733 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2714 - Release Date: 02/28/10 07:34:00

On 28/02/2010 19:49, Cecilia Bell wrote: > The page is from RG 9/3704. The number of the schedule is 31. Mount > Pleasant. Robert ALLISON aged 77 and his wife Ann, aged 81. > It is her place of birth which I cannot make out. Interestingly, he is > parish clerk. Cecilia The birthplace of Ann Allison is given as "Catcote" - this is now an area of Hartlepool and the site of a large school, but back in 1861 it was a hamlet around a farm of the same name. The reference is RG9/3704 Folio 62 Page 8 Schedule 31. > The page is from Stranton, West Hartlepool. I was wondering what are the > odds for the Robert ALLISON next door being their son! "Next door"? It was the previous residence on the enumerator's walk, but it was on a different street and need not even be close by. Having said that, it's certainly worth investigating a possible relationship. Brian -- Brian Pears (Gateshead, UK) http://www.bpears.org.uk/ Joint List Admin NORTHUMBRIA Genealogy Mailing List GENUKI Northumberland Maintainer

Dear list, I am hoping that someone with more local knowledge can tell me what a "Where born" says. The page is from RG 9/3704. The number of the schedule is 31. Mount Pleasant. Robert ALLISON aged 77 and his wife Ann, aged 81. It is her place of birth which I cannot make out. Interestingly, he is parish clerk. The page is from Stranton, West Hartlepool. I was wondering what are the odds for the Robert ALLISON next door being their son! Regards, Cecilia Bell in Essex UK

Brian Pears wrote: It gives access to many fascinating data sets, including images of Bishops Transcripts (copies of parish registers) for the Diocese of Durham (Durham & Northumberland plus a sliver of Cumberland). I use this resource and Ireland BMDs on the same site almost daily, it's invaluable. Thanks Brian for your little off topic snippet about the Ireland BMDs ;-) I've been using the Bishops' Transcripts for some time but hadn't realised the Ireland records were in there. Brian Richerby Guiseley, UK

Hello Ingrid many thanks for your suggestion I will look further afield regards keith walker [NMB] burial places > Hi Keith > > Try St Anne's. However please note there are gaps and omissions in > all the online BTs I have viewed so you need to check the actual > parish records also. > > Sometimes people were buried further afield than you might expect so > you then need to work your way outwards. > > Good luck > > Ingrid > > >