My Great Grandfather John Moody was a member of the RAOB in Haydon Bridge. He unfortunately died in a tragic car accident at Round Meadows Farm returning from a lodge event in Allendale. Are there any records remaining for the RAOB lodges in Northumbria? Have the lodges since been amalgamated....and which lodge now covers the Allendale/Haydon Bridge area? A web search has not thrown very much up to date. Any pointers would be greatly appreciated. Best Regards Kevin Moody

On 11/03/2010 12:53, Bruce McArthur wrote: > You recently gave a link to a book about Newcastle and I wonder if you could > repeat it for my sake. I started to read it but have lost the link somehow. > Bruce I'm sorry but I can't remember what it was - can you give me any clues? You might also spot it in the Archives. http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/NORTHUMBRIA Brian -- Brian Pears (Gateshead, UK) http://www.bpears.org.uk/ Joint List Admin NORTHUMBRIA Genealogy Mailing List GENUKI Northumberland Maintainer

Brian You recently gave a link to a book about Newcastle and I wonder if you could repeat it for my sake. I started to read it but have lost the link somehow. cheers Bruce McArthur

The badge as described is not an Eastern Star Pin. For a start, the Eastern Star pin only has five points. Heather June wrote: > I believe your pin is an EASTERN STAR PIN. > > The Badge > Hexham enamelled,lapel badge.Background 2 red enamel triangles,positioned > to make a 6 pointed star. > One pointing down with fluted pattern in red. > Triangle pointing up,red enamel,has three 3 gold stars,on each point. > Centre shield,is dark blue enamel,with white cross of St Andrew,on it. > Word HEXHAM on ribbon below shield. > Back of badge has the number R9653534 > > >

I believe your pin is an EASTERN STAR PIN. The Eastern Stars are affiliated with the Masonic Lodge. Doing a quick check on the Forster name, I see that they have been members of the Hexham Masonic Lodge for several generations. -----Original Message----- From: northumbria-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:northumbria-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Heather Old Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010 7:14 PM To: northumbria@rootsweb.com Subject: [NMB] Hexham Badge Hello Listers Am hoping someone can help me by giving me some information,about the badge I have from my late grandfather Robert William Thomas FORSTER, born 1878 Belsay, died 1954 Hamilton NZ. The Badge Hexham enamelled,lapel badge.Background 2 red enamel triangles,positioned to make a 6 pointed star. One pointing down with fluted pattern in red. Triangle pointing up,red enamel,has three 3 gold stars,on each point. Centre shield,is dark blue enamel,with white cross of St Andrew,on it. Word HEXHAM on ribbon below shield. Back of badge has the number R9653534 Is it abadge of a lodge??? perhaps. Any help with identity of this badge,will be very gratefully received. Heather Forster-Old NZ The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORTHUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Further to all the recent comment re hinds. My stepfather was 'The Hind' on a large farm in North Northumberland from approx 1940-1960s. To all intents and purposes, he was the farm manager, being in charge of a herd of several hundred Friesian cattle for milking purposes and a very large area covering several farms which grew potatoes, sugar beet, oats and barley, and at one time would have been in charge of about 20 men, women and boys. He originally had a tied-cottage, but eventually bought his own house (with money obtained from selling his father's house upon his death). His first wife did help out on the farm when needed, but mainly looking after/feeding the chickens and helping out in the main farm house (a sort of unpaid servant or slave really). After approx 40 years with the same employer, he retired and got nothing, no gold-watch, no pension, nothing... Regards, Mike Simpson Penrith, NSW, Australia

Here's another take on the fascinating "hind" discussion: I think you will find that, in Northumberland at least, the term hind was more of a description of the worker's status and terms of employment on a farm, rather than their actual duties. They were general agricultural workers, but in the farm pecking order (sorry!) they were on a slightly higher scale than, say, a simple ploughman,a herdsman or a shepherd. They generallly lived in "tied" cottages, meaning their accomodation went with the job-no job, no house. They were employed for one year at a time but were free to change employers, farms and districts when the contract expired. Some stayed with the same farms for their entire lifetimes, others moved about constantly. The date 12 May was significant in this regard, for this was considered the beginning and end of the farming year, the date on which the hind might be shifting elsewhere, or a contract renewed. In the north of England when I was a child in the 1930s this was called the "flitting", from the words "to take flight." Everything the family owned was piled on a cart, sometimes horse-drawn, and shifted overnight to a new location. The hind was usually provided with a free cottage, of varying quality, fuel for the fire, some vegetables such as potatoes or turnips, corn to make bread and a basic wage. They were also allowed to keep a cow and were provided with hay and grazing for the animal. In earlier times, the hinds were required to provide a bondager (usally a woman)to help at peak times and extra wages were provided to cover this. The bondager in most cases was the hind's wife, daughter or relative. I recall seeing bondagers at work around Haltwhistle and down the Tyne Valley. Most of them wore broad-brimmed hats tied down with scarves, aprons over woollen skirts, black stockings and big, hob-nailed leather boots. The ones I knew personally were fearsome folk who could swear like troopers, take on the hardest job going, but still offer a kind word and good advice. The much-treasured land girls, who came later, were, of course,an entirely different species. Alan Fletcher Hill, Hamilton,NZ

During my brief sojourn on the edge of the Yorkshire moors, as a 'farmer's' wife, we had two semi detached, two-storied. three bedroomed HINDS cottages included in the holdings of the farm. The farm was arable, and we bred cows, pigs and sheep for breeding stock. HIND was a general term for farm worker. When my husband died, the senior HIND took on the job of foreman until other arrangements could be made. Such are the changes of TIME! My grandfather, in Northumberland during the last period of the 1900's, had a horse and cart---used for carting coal--- and was, in some instances was referred to as a "carter" . Veronica THORNTON/BLAIR/Hagin On Mar 9, 2010, at 10:39 PM, gen listlass wrote: > > I have a photo of my 2xg grandfathers farm at Crawcrook Co DUR. My > grandmother who stayed there often as a child described the single > storey annex on the side of the main farmhouse as "the hinds cottage" > > > On all the census, the unrelated men are described as "servant". On > one census "carter" was added and on another described as > "agricultural servant". > Usually there was more than one male servant at a time, so I presume > they shared the "hinds cottage". > There was always more than one female servant on the various census, > so i expect they were housed in the main farmhouse, out of the way > of the male servants. (This was a very religious household!) > So on that farm at least no mention was made of the male servants > (hinds) duties except as "carter". It was an arable farm > _________________________________________________________________ > Do you have a story that started on Hotmail? Tell us now > http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/195013117/direct/01/ > > > The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORTHUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message

I have a photo of my 2xg grandfathers farm at Crawcrook Co DUR. My grandmother who stayed there often as a child described the single storey annex on the side of the main farmhouse as "the hinds cottage" On all the census, the unrelated men are described as "servant". On one census "carter" was added and on another described as "agricultural servant". Usually there was more than one male servant at a time, so I presume they shared the "hinds cottage". There was always more than one female servant on the various census, so i expect they were housed in the main farmhouse, out of the way of the male servants. (This was a very religious household!) So on that farm at least no mention was made of the male servants (hinds) duties except as "carter". It was an arable farm _________________________________________________________________ Do you have a story that started on Hotmail? Tell us now http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/195013117/direct/01/

On 09/03/2010 21:26, Alan Hill wrote: > They generallly lived in "tied" cottages, meaning their > accomodation went with the job-no job, no house. They were > employed for one year at a time but were free to change > employers, farms and districts when the contract expired. > Some stayed with the same farms for their entire lifetimes, > others moved about constantly. > > The date 12 May was significant in this regard, > > The hind was usually provided with a free cottage, of > varying quality, Alan My grandfather did indeed have a tied cottage - latterly a tiny 2-storey hovel called Pawston Birks Cottage, Barlow (not to be confused with a present-day bungalow of the same name) which was in the middle of a field. I say "hovel" because I have a 1933 Medical Officer of Health's detailed report on the condition of the building. This was 10 years after my grandfather moved out, but things were probably little different in his day. Perhaps this might be of general interest - it certainly gives the lie to any notion that agricultural workers all lived in a sort of rural paradise. Note that my grandfather accommodated his mother & father, his married sister + hubby & child, plus his two younger sisters and a younger brother. I've omitted personal info for obvious reasons - but the family then occupying the house is named on the report and consisted of 4 adults and 4 children. INSPECTION OF DWELLING HOUSE Situation of House: Pawston Birks Cottage, Barlow Age of House: over 200 years Owner: XXXXX Address: XXXXX Occupier: XXXXX Occupation: XXXXX Class of House: Kitchen & Attic Rent: 8/- per week (includes water rate of 1/- per week) Tenancy commenced: XXXXXXXX No of Rooms Living: 1 Sleeping: 1 Average person per room: 4 per bedroom: 8 No of inmates Adults M: 2 F: 2 Children M: 4 F: - Total: 8 Light and Free Circulation of Air Living Rooms Kitchen Size: 16'0" x 13'7" height 6'10" Cubic Space: 1703 Floor Space: 250 Windows Type: Y.L. Size; 3'2" x 3'2" Ventilation: Poor Lighting: Poor. Lighting area approx 1/25th of floor space Method of Heating: Range Method of Lighting: Oil Lamp Sleeping Rooms Attic Size: 22'8" x 15'7" Cubic Space: 2550 Floor Space: 350 Windows Type: Y.L. 1'6 x 1'3" Type: 2 skylights 1'10" x 1'3" Ventilation: Fair Lighting: poor. approx 1/50th of floor space Method of Heating: Open Fire Method of Lighting: No Oil Lamp Through House: No Back to Back: No Open Space Front: Yes Back: Yes Sides: Yes State of Dwelling House in regard to the following matters. Food Store: yes Position: off kitchen Light: yes Ventilation: yes Condition: floor and walls damp. Facilities for washing: none Water supply: D.C.W.B.* Position of cock: In kitchen Condition: - Sink: None Position: - Condition: - Sanitary Accommodation Type: A.C.** No: 1 Position: at front For sole use of house: Yes Condition: Fair. Door frame rotted off one side. Deposit of Ashes and Refuse: A.C. Drainage Kind: stoneware Connected to: cesspool Ventilation: no Inlets: - Intercepted: - Chamber: - Gullies: one Condition: inefficient & inadequate. Pipes laid just under ground surface. Top exposed in places. Pipes broken, joints defective. Cesspool sides pervious. Has no proper cover. Yard Size: - Paved: - Drained: - Condition: - Outbuilding Kind: Coal House Condition: Fair Door frame rotted off bottom. If Animals kept: No Kind: - No: - Site of buildings: - Any Basement Room to which Section 18(1) of Act applies: No Construction of premises Rubble stone with pantile roof covering, stone eaves. Internal Kitchen: Concrete floor, plastered walls, ceiled with boards between joists. Attic: Wood floor, plastered walls, boarded ceiling. All principle roof timbers exposed in room, lit by 2 small skylights and small window. State of Repair Externally All walls defaced, lack of pointing. Roof defective, lack of pointing, somes tiles displaced. North gable bulges badly. Roof sags, apparently defective timbers. Wood lintel over doorway rotted. All woodwork more or less rotted. The building is inclined over, lying over towards the east. There is no paving around the house. Other Defects Kitchen: floor badly cracked and defective. All plaster work loose and decayed, ceiling boards broken, brickworks of fireplace defective, bulge in front wall. No thresh to doorway. Window frame done. Attic: The exposed roof timbers are rotted, the ceiling shows many signs of rain penetration. Stairs rotted and defective. Dampness: The lower part of all walls; kitchen floor; walls of foodstore. Cleanliness: Fair Name of Inspecting Officer: XXXXX Signed: XXXXX * Durham County Water Board ** Ash Closet The family was rehoused and the house was demolished a short time after this report was written. Not all tied cottages were that bad - granddad's previous but one abode at Chesterwood near Haydon Bridge was really well built and in fact is still standing. See: http://www.bpears.org.uk/Albums/Outing_22Sep09/images/007_Comp.jpg Brian -- Brian Pears (Gateshead, UK) http://www.bpears.org.uk/ Joint List Admin NORTHUMBRIA Genealogy Mailing List GENUKI Northumberland Maintainer

Barbara > His marriage was in > a non conformist chapel in Ryton& therefore registered at St Nicholas > according to LDS. I was unable to find it myself--maybe it is a > seperate section of the records. This cannot be correct. The LDS is geographically challenged on occasions, but I find it hard to believe that they would connect a chapel in Ryton with St Nicholas Parish. Ryton is not by any stretch of the imagination in St Nicholas Parish, in fact it's in a different county. As far as I can see from the IGI entry, the marriage was at St Nicholas Parish Church in Newcastle. So where does your reference to a nonconformist chapel in Ryton come from? > Was the info about Germany in the marriage lines or did Brian get it > from somewhere else? The information was supplied by the person making the inquiry and the implication at least was that it came from the marriage record. Brian -- Brian Pears (Gateshead, UK) http://www.bpears.org.uk/ Joint List Admin NORTHUMBRIA Genealogy Mailing List GENUKI Northumberland Maintainer

On 09/03/2010 17:41, dixymick@aol.com wrote: > With specific relevance to the County Of Northumberland, "hind" > applied to worker who tended to cattle. Seeing they were OK in > fields, transferring them to other grazing areas etc. and their > welfare in byers. > > Even in my time in South east Northumberland, in the 1940s, the > term was current. > > However in the north of the county and over into Scotland, the term > "hind" sometimes referred to man who led a team of animal tenders. My paternal grandfather worked on farms near Haydon Bridge and Corbridge in Northumberland and High Spen in Co Durham and was described as a "Farm Hind" on official documents. He always said his principal job was working with horses - and I can remember as a child in the early 50s, 20+ after he left farming for the coal industry, he was still called on to plat and otherwise decorate the manes of drayhorses when they were being used in displays and parades. However, his duties were apparently wider than working with horses. I'm told - though I can't remember it myself - that until the 1940s when his health declined, he was also called on every year to help on local farms because of his skill in building hay stacks. So it seems that the definition of "farm hind" was somewhat elastic. Brian -- Brian Pears (Gateshead, UK) http://www.bpears.org.uk/ Joint List Admin NORTHUMBRIA Genealogy Mailing List GENUKI Northumberland Maintainer

I am hoping some one can help me,possibly Brian, with the source of the information on the quote below, from Northumbria-l archives dated 25th March 1999. the gentleman mentioned is my3x great grandfather. His marriage was in a non conformist chapel in Ryton & therefore registered at St Nicholas according to LDS. I was unable to find it myself--maybe it is a seperate section of the records. Was the info about Germany in the marriage lines or did Brian get it from somewhere else? This has been my brick wall as family lore had it that John Jordan Harvey (William's grandson) was the German,he,however was born inTeams Barbara >On 16 May 1802 William Harvey married Eleanor Masterton at St. Nicholas >Parish Church, Newcastle on Tyne. William was a sugar baker. Native of >Falconberg, High Germany. Other High Germany locations on birth notices were >Hable and Hayfell. > >Query where in Northumberland is High Germany? A very strange assumption! I think you will find that the place you are seeking is in Germany. >In July 1838 William Masterton Harvey married Ann Jordan at the parish >church of Gateshead Fell. Both were resident of Gateshead Fell. >Unfortunately I cannot trace a connection between the two families. If >there is a connection it is possible that both families were residents of >Gateshead Fell at the time of the 1841 census. Why would there be any connection between the families before William and Ann married? The fact that both were residents of Gateshead Fell would provide ample opportunity for them to meet, fall in love and marry. >Would the 1841 Census carry the information about families such as place of >residence, occupation, age, to tie one family to another? Residence, approximate age and occupation.

Hello Listers Am hoping someone can help me by giving me some information,about the badge I have from my late grandfather Robert William Thomas FORSTER, born 1878 Belsay, died 1954 Hamilton NZ. The Badge Hexham enamelled,lapel badge.Background 2 red enamel triangles,positioned to make a 6 pointed star. One pointing down with fluted pattern in red. Triangle pointing up,red enamel,has three 3 gold stars,on each point. Centre shield,is dark blue enamel,with white cross of St Andrew,on it. Word HEXHAM on ribbon below shield. Back of badge has the number R9653534 Is it abadge of a lodge??? perhaps. Any help with identity of this badge,will be very gratefully received. Heather Forster-Old NZ

On 08/03/2010 13:39, "Michael Temple" <jmtemple@telefonica.net> wrote: > I think I suggested "Hind" last week ? > One who looks after animals. A herd looked after the animals .. Hind did other things hynd [həin(d)] n. A farm worker, a farm-servant, a ploughman. Robin -- Robin & Margaret McEwen-King Middletown Farm, Lanark

With specific relevance to the County Of Northumberland, "hind" applied to worker who tended to cattle. Seeing they were OK in fields, transferring them to other grazing areas etc. and their welfare in byers. Even in my time in South east Northumberland, in the 1940s, the term was current. However in the north of the county and over into Scotland, the term "hind" sometimes referred to man who led a team of animal tenders. Michael Dixon -----Original Message----- From: robin@scottishwool.com <robin@scottishwool.com> To: northumbria@rootsweb.com Sent: Tue, 9 Mar 2010 14:25 Subject: Re: [NMB] Re What is a hurd? On 08/03/2010 13:39, "Michael Temple" <jmtemple@telefonica.net> wrote: > I think I suggested "Hind" last week ? > One who looks after animals. A herd looked after the animals .. Hind did other things hynd [həin(d)] n. A farm worker, a farm-servant, a ploughman. Robin -- Robin & Margaret McEwen-King Middletown Farm, Lanark The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORTHUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I can't help with the query you posted, but if you buiy the marriage certificate for the wedding in 1838, then the father of both the bride and groom will be named and their coccupations given Also the marriage in 1802 is in the Barrington period, so the parish register, and also possibly the Bishop's Transcript which will be on line, will hold a fair amount of detail. Hope this helps a bit Heather >> On 16 May 1802 William Harvey married Eleanor Masterton at St. Nicholas >> Parish Church, Newcastle on Tyne. William was a sugar baker. Native of >> Falconberg, High Germany. > In July 1838 William Masterton Harvey married Ann Jordan at the parish >> church of Gateshead Fell. Both were resident of Gateshead Fell. >> >

I think I suggested "Hind" last week ? One who looks after animals. Mike Temple, Spain. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bruce Dodd" <bmdodd@rogers.com> To: <northumbria@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 6:48 AM Subject: [NMB] Re What is a hurd? > Hi, Listers. > > After my recent enquiry, which failed to elicit a definitive explanation > of 'hurd', I returned to Ryhope and the 'hurds' mentioned in the Baptism > records. > > I think I could be forgiven for reading 'hurds', but thanks to your > comments, some web research into old occupations, and the laptop's > zoom-in feature I am now persuaded that those fathers were in fact > 'Hinds', as someone suggested. I wonder what other handwriting I've > misread. > > I'm sorry to have led the List astray. > > Bruce Dodd > Ottawa > > > > > > > > > The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at > http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NORTHUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.435 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2729 - Release Date: 03/07/10 19:34:00

August, 1606: baptism of Robert, son of "Sir William Reade, ?christened? in Kyloe", with three "sureties", being "knt Nicolas Forster, knt Thomas Lee of Foorde & My Lady Gueverra". [Source: LDS film 94996, transcription of parish registers of Holy Island, from 1578).] I am trying to locate anyone who has researched Nicolas Forster, Knight. Perhaps he is the Nicholas Forster who was buried in Oct. 1609 at St. Aiden's at Bamburgh, and who was a "natural" son of Sir John Forster. "Foorde" probably refers to Ford Castle. Unable to locate info on Sir Thomas Lee. "My Lady Guevera" is probably Mary Collingwood of Edlington, who married Captain Henry Guevara, 3rd son of Francis Velez de Guevara, born in Segusa in Province of Biscay, Spain, and his wife Anne Egerton (per pedigree of Guevara of Stenigot). Henry Guevara was "of Berwick 1605; proved Sir John Guevara's will 1607 as "Sir Henry Guevara, Knt." "Sir William Reede, of Fenham, in the Parish of Holie Island (will 1604), married as his third wife the Lady Elizabeth, widow of Charles Towers. By letters patent, 1579, he received the grant of the tithes, towns, and fields of Fenwicke, which with his estate in Berwick, he bequeathed to his son William Keymarde, alias Reade, known as Captain Reed, afterwards Sir William Reade of Fenham, co. Palatine of Durham, Knt. The second Sir William (will proved 1618, Sir W. Selbie a supervisor) = first, Dorothy daughter of Sir Cuthbert Collingwood, and secondly, Dame Dorothy (Widrington?) . . . [Source: from Google Books - A record of the Redes of Barton Court, Berks, by Compton Reade, R. Reade Macmullen, pp. 127, 128.] "After the dissolution of monasteries, their possessions were seized by the king; but when the possessions of the monastery of Holy Island were leased in 1579 to Sir William Reed, L10 annually were reserved as a stipend for the curate of Kyloe. . . . The superior lord of Kyloe was the Bishop of Durham". [Source: from Google Books - History of the Berwickshire Naturalists Club, vol. 6, p. 106.]

Many thanks, it opens up a new line of research Mike -----Original Message----- From: northumbria-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:northumbria-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Joan Rooney Sent: 05 March 2010 16:06 To: northumbria@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NMB] Cornfoot in first half of 19th cenury Hi Michael, >From a tree on Ancestry-- Alice, dau of John Fawcus (1748-1824 )and >Alice Gibson (1758-1839 ). No source is given but perhaps this will point you in the right direction. I can't find in a census. Regards, Joan Ottawa . a.. Birth13 APR 1789 b.. in Newham, Bamburgh Parish, England ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fairless, Michael" <michael.fairless@hp.com> To: <Northumbria@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, March 05, 2010 05:45 Subject: [NMB] Cornfoot in first half of 19th cenury > All, > I have Alice FAWCUS marrying George CORNFOOT 24.12.1808 > They had a son George FALCUS Cornfoot born 13.3.1815 and baptised > 26.9.1817 at Christ Church Tynemouth the same day as daughter Dorothy > Cornfoot. Father was a Master Mariner of Wellington St, North Shields > Then on 3.2.1819 George FAWCUS Cornfoot was baptised at Chatton to parents > George and Alice Cornfoot, father George was a mariner of North Shields so > obviously the same family and presumably the first George Falcus Cornfoot > had died between 26.9.1817 and 3.2.1819. > > I would be grateful if anyone can find this family on a census). I am > trying to confirm the birth date/year of Alice Cornfoot (nee > Fawcus/Falcus) but any more details would be appreciated. I suspect a > birth date/year of approximately 1787 so being alive in 1841 or 1851 is a > possibility. > > > > Many thanks > > Mike Fairless > > > > > > > The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at > http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NORTHUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORTHUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message