Hi Brian >From our old favourite Google canch If above the seam, it is called a top canch; if below the seam, a bottom canch. A canch on a roadway close to the face is called a face canch; a canch on a ... www.webref.org/geology/c/canch.htm so it would seem like a stone seam worker. Regards Patrick Williams -----Original Message----- From: northumbria-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:northumbria-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Brian Pears Sent: 20 March 2010 13:16 To: northumbria@rootsweb.com Subject: [NMB] Occupation? In 1911 a relative of mine, 33 year-old George Voyzey, was living at 18 Arkwright Street, Bensham, Gateshead. On the census of that year he describes himself as a "miner canch work" - can anyone please tell me what that means? You can read it for yourself at http://www.bpears.org.uk/temp/occ2.jpg or see it in context on RG14/30485 RD557 SD2 ED75 SN171 Brian -- Brian Pears (Gateshead, UK) http://www.bpears.org.uk/ Joint List Admin NORTHUMBRIA Genealogy Mailing List GENUKI Northumberland Maintainer The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORTHUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.791 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2756 - Release Date: 03/20/10 07:33:00

On 20/03/2010 13:22, Christopher Morgan wrote: > a. A part of a bed of stone worked by quarrying. > b. Eng. Roof or floor removed to make height and side removed to make width. > If above the seam, it is called a top canch; if below the seam, a bottom > canch. A canch on a roadway close to the face is called a face canch; a > canch on a roadway outbye is called a back canch. Also called brushing; > ripping. SMRB > c. The face of the roof ripping in a roadway. It follows that the canch is > continually being excavated and advanced. See also: ripping face support Chris Many thanks. I've never heard the term in connection with coal mining but it makes perfect sense. All mines had underground roadways for access to distant workings, so they would have needed men to cut them and extend them. Brian -- Brian Pears (Gateshead, UK) http://www.bpears.org.uk/ Joint List Admin NORTHUMBRIA Genealogy Mailing List GENUKI Northumberland Maintainer

Maybe this description may help, Canch a. A part of a bed of stone worked by quarrying. b. Eng. Roof or floor removed to make height and side removed to make width. If above the seam, it is called a top canch; if below the seam, a bottom canch. A canch on a roadway close to the face is called a face canch; a canch on a roadway outbye is called a back canch. Also called brushing; ripping. SMRB c. The face of the roof ripping in a roadway. It follows that the canch is continually being excavated and advanced. See also: ripping face support see; http://www.webref.org/geology/c/canch.htm Chris Morgan Sheffield ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Pears" <bp@bpears.org.uk> To: <northumbria@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, March 20, 2010 1:16 PM Subject: [NMB] Occupation? > > In 1911 a relative of mine, 33 year-old George Voyzey, was living at > 18 Arkwright Street, Bensham, Gateshead. On the census of that year > he describes himself as a "miner canch work" - can anyone please > tell me what that means? > > You can read it for yourself at > > http://www.bpears.org.uk/temp/occ2.jpg > > or see it in context on RG14/30485 RD557 SD2 ED75 SN171 > > Brian > -- > Brian Pears (Gateshead, UK) http://www.bpears.org.uk/ > Joint List Admin NORTHUMBRIA Genealogy Mailing List > GENUKI Northumberland Maintainer > > > The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at > http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NORTHUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

In 1911 a relative of mine, 33 year-old George Voyzey, was living at 18 Arkwright Street, Bensham, Gateshead. On the census of that year he describes himself as a "miner canch work" - can anyone please tell me what that means? You can read it for yourself at http://www.bpears.org.uk/temp/occ2.jpg or see it in context on RG14/30485 RD557 SD2 ED75 SN171 Brian -- Brian Pears (Gateshead, UK) http://www.bpears.org.uk/ Joint List Admin NORTHUMBRIA Genealogy Mailing List GENUKI Northumberland Maintainer

Hi, again, Listers: Within half an hour of my sending thanks re 'hind", I chanced upon this site. http://www.indigogroup.co.uk/durhamdialect/hetton1896.htm It is "/_A List of words and phrases in everyday use by the natives of Hetton-le-Hole in the County of Durham_ (English Dialect Society vol.74, 1896)." /It gives "Hind (the 'i' long). A farm-labourer. (The only term in use.)" I was surprised to find a number of terms that I hadn't thought of as dialect at all, which is a 'problem' common to first-generation kids who learn partly from old-country parents and partly at school. My wife sometimes looks puzzled, and I realize that I've used some expression remembered from Sunderland parents. This seems to be more frequent with increasing antiquity. Cheers Bruce Dodd, Ottawa

Hi, Listers The current correspondence about Occupation reminded me that I have never thanked the Listers who replied to my question about 'hurds', which turned out to be a misreading of handwritten 'hinds'. Even if I had read it correctly, I would still have had to ask. But there were replies from real second-milers, who didn't merely reply, but answered in extenso, and in one case even with pictures. I have cut-and-pasted the replies into a single file which I will send to interested children and grand-ditto. I recommend "Re: What is a hurd?" as fascinating reading for any Listers who missed it. It cannot be very common for a dumb question to reap such a rich harvest of replies. Thank you again Bruce Dodd Ottawa

Does anyone have easy access to "Monumental inscriptions of the parish church of the Holy Trinity, Berwick upon Tweed, Northumberland"? If so, are there any Foster or Forster entries for any years prior to 1650? Thanks. Bill Archerd Colorado USA

Many thanks to Brian and Nivard for their information on Wills and Probate Records best regards keith walker

On 17/03/2010 07:03, Keith Walker wrote: > If Arthur COLE left a will where would I be able to get a copy from, or at least a probate record Keith If you can get to any of the District or Sub-District Probate Registries in person then you can go there and order a copy of the will (or letters of administration) and it will normally be posted to you next day. Any Probate Registry should be able to order wills for anywhere in England or Wales - but only if you attend in person. http://www.hmcourts-service.gov.uk/infoabout/civil/probate/registries.htm If you can't get to a Probate Registry then you can order by post from the York Sub-Registry which handles all postal applications in England and Wales. The Postal Searches & Copies Dept, York Probate Sub-Registry, Castle Chambers, Clifford Street, York, YO1 9RG Postal applications can take two or three weeks, so if you can get to a Probate Registry in person it is certainly worthwhile. In both cases you will need (ideally) full name, address and date of death and it will cost £5. The £5 includes a copy of the will etc, but if the search does not find anything then you've lost your £5 I should stress that the above only applies to post-1858 wills. Earlier ones were the province of the Church of England, not the courts. Brian -- Brian Pears (Gateshead, UK) http://www.bpears.org.uk/ Joint List Admin NORTHUMBRIA Genealogy Mailing List GENUKI Northumberland Maintainer

Hello List I have death for an Arthur / Arther COLE who died aged 65 on the 3rd Nov 1917 at 77 Station Road, Ashington informant of death was Arthur Cole ,son of 7 Katherine Street Ashington If Arthur COLE left a will where would I be able to get a copy from, or at least a probate record I am also trying to find his burial place assuming he was buried in Ashington In Kelly's Directory for Ashington 1910 there is an Arthur Cole and Son Confectioners, 15 Portland Crescent Ashington (this is the same family) If anyone has links to the above Cole family I would be grateful to hear from them regards keith walker

Many thanks to Brian,Nivard & Heather for their help with my Query about William Harvey. I think I got my facts muddled re the Marriage in 1802, with it being registered as St Nicholas Non Conformist ( I know marriages had to take place in the established church). Eleanor was actually baptised at Ebenezer or Ryton-Woodside Presbyterian. The 1838 marriage cert. ( William to Ann Jordan) gives fathers name as William - chain maker. The 2nd William does not seem to add Masterton to his name until the marriage of his son John Jordan in 1872.at least not on any documents I have. Will check out the references to Falconberg. I did try the e-mail address on the original 1998 query as a long shot, it bounced. Will keep digging thanks again Barbara

The information I posted earlier regarding Mark Lawson refers to these IGI entries: Baptisms of "Mark Lawson" between 1710 - 1730 in Northumberland or Durham 22 May 1720, Lanchester, County Durham, Father – William Lawson 3 April 1722, Of Sopwith, Northumberland, Parents – Edward Lawson and Mrs Edward Lawson There are two separate records in IGI showing Sopwith, they are presumed to be the same person and also the same as: 3 April 1722, Elsdon, Northumberland, Father – Edward Lawson 16 December 1725, Rothbury, Northumberland, Father – Mark Lawson I do not know why the two entries show Sopwith as the place name, but they are clearly the same entry as the one for Elsdon. There is also a record of a marriage of a Mark Lawson and Ann Brown in Rothbury in 1703, and several other baptisms of children of Mark Lawson in the intervening years before Mark in 1725, but of course they may not all be the same generation. I have not found a marriage for Edward Lawson in Elsdon. _________________________________________________________________ We want to hear all your funny, exciting and crazy Hotmail stories. Tell us now http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/195013117/direct/01/

Yes, but it used to have three pubs (maybe more ?) in the early 1800's, one of which was "The Scotch Arms", renamed "The Bacchus" around 1870, and the innkeeper was John Temple , an ancestor, who died 1815. His wife, Isabella Temple, continued to run the inn until about 1830. John's family memorial stone is in St.Cuthbert's church yard . Mike Temple, Spain. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Gowland" <mike.gowland@lineone.net> To: <northumbria@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 1:56 AM Subject: Re: [NMB] Mark Lawson, shopkeeper, Alnwick > Mike. I totally agree and indeed all of the communities in the area were > much bigger in 1700 and 1800's. Elsdon still is a nice little village > today. > It even has a pub. > > Mike Gowland > > Thropton > > -----Original Message----- > From: northumbria-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:northumbria-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Michael Temple > Sent: 13 March 2010 15:41 > To: northumbria@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [NMB] Mark Lawson, shopkeeper, Alnwick > > O.K., Elsdon village now, but it seemed to be a much bigger community in > the > > 1700 and 1800's . > Mike Temple, Spain. >>> >>> The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at >>> http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> NORTHUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> ---- >> >> >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 8.5.436 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2742 - Release Date: 03/12/10 >> 19:33:00 >> >> >> >> The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at >> http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NORTHUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> >> The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at >> http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NORTHUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ---- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.436 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2742 - Release Date: 03/12/10 > 19:33:00 > > > > The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at > http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NORTHUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at > http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NORTHUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.436 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2745 - Release Date: 03/13/10 21:51:00

Mike. I totally agree and indeed all of the communities in the area were much bigger in 1700 and 1800's. Elsdon still is a nice little village today. It even has a pub. Mike Gowland Thropton -----Original Message----- From: northumbria-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:northumbria-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Michael Temple Sent: 13 March 2010 15:41 To: northumbria@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NMB] Mark Lawson, shopkeeper, Alnwick O.K., Elsdon village now, but it seemed to be a much bigger community in the 1700 and 1800's . Mike Temple, Spain. >> >> The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at >> http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NORTHUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ---- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.436 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2742 - Release Date: 03/12/10 > 19:33:00 > > > > The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at > http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NORTHUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at > http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NORTHUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.436 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2742 - Release Date: 03/12/10 19:33:00 The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORTHUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

O.K., Elsdon village now, but it seemed to be a much bigger community in the 1700 and 1800's . Mike Temple, Spain. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Gowland" <mike.gowland@lineone.net> To: <northumbria@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2010 4:08 PM Subject: Re: [NMB] Mark Lawson, shopkeeper, Alnwick > "Elsdon Town"? > > Mike Gowland, Thropton. > > -----Original Message----- > From: northumbria-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:northumbria-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Michael Temple > Sent: 13 March 2010 11:36 > To: northumbria@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [NMB] Mark Lawson, shopkeeper, Alnwick > > Elsdon (Sopwith), > I think this could be Soppit rather than Sopwith , a small farm > (and > > previous coal mine site) about 1 mile West of Elsdon town. > Mike Temple, Spain. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tina Lawson" <home_yorks@hotmail.com> > To: "NORTHUMBRIA & DURHAM List" <northumbria-l@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2010 11:41 AM > Subject: [NMB] Mark Lawson, shopkeeper, Alnwick > > >> >> >> We are still looking for evidence of the ancestry of Mark Lawson, who was >> a shopkeeper, of Clayport, Alnwick, in the 1770s. >> >> He and his (first?) wife, Dorothy, had a son, John, who died aged 70 in >> 1823 (in Raskelf, Yorkshire). John was a blacksmith and parish clerk. >> This > >> suggests he could well be the John Lawson, son of Mark and Dorothy, >> baptised in Hamsterley (near Bishop Auckland, Durham) in 1753. No other >> possible birth or baptism of a John Lawson, son of Mark and Dorothy, has >> been found either in Hamsterley or anywhere else. In the church records >> in > >> Raskelf, including at John's marriage, John is described as "only son of >> Mark Lawson of Alnwick and his wife Dorothy". >> >> No further children of Mark and Dorothy have been located and Dorothy's >> death is recorded (in St Michael's church Alnwick). Subsequently, a Mark >> Lawson of Alnwick also had at least one daughter, who also died young - >> this could be the same Mark, but there are also one or two others - one >> of > >> whom was in the Northumberland Militia. A death of a Mark Lawson is >> recorded in 1801, also at St Michael's, of a labourer aged around 80. >> Three births of Mark Lawsons are recorded in the surrounding area in the >> 1820s, in Rothbury, Elsdon (Sopwith) and Lanchester. The family names >> of > >> the Rothbury and Elsdon Lawsons are both repeated in our family. I also >> believe that these two families are connected with eace other. I cannot >> prove, however, that our Mark Lawson is definitely descended from either. >> >> Any suggestions welcome! >> >> K Lawson. >> >> >> >> >> >> Got a cool Hotmail story? Tell us now >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Tell us your greatest, weirdest and funniest Hotmail stories >> http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/195013117/direct/01/ >> >> >> The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at >> http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NORTHUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ---- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.436 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2742 - Release Date: 03/12/10 > 19:33:00 > > > > The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at > http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NORTHUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at > http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NORTHUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.436 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2742 - Release Date: 03/12/10 19:33:00

"Elsdon Town"? Mike Gowland, Thropton. -----Original Message----- From: northumbria-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:northumbria-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Michael Temple Sent: 13 March 2010 11:36 To: northumbria@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NMB] Mark Lawson, shopkeeper, Alnwick Elsdon (Sopwith), I think this could be Soppit rather than Sopwith , a small farm (and previous coal mine site) about 1 mile West of Elsdon town. Mike Temple, Spain. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tina Lawson" <home_yorks@hotmail.com> To: "NORTHUMBRIA & DURHAM List" <northumbria-l@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2010 11:41 AM Subject: [NMB] Mark Lawson, shopkeeper, Alnwick > > > We are still looking for evidence of the ancestry of Mark Lawson, who was > a shopkeeper, of Clayport, Alnwick, in the 1770s. > > He and his (first?) wife, Dorothy, had a son, John, who died aged 70 in > 1823 (in Raskelf, Yorkshire). John was a blacksmith and parish clerk. This > suggests he could well be the John Lawson, son of Mark and Dorothy, > baptised in Hamsterley (near Bishop Auckland, Durham) in 1753. No other > possible birth or baptism of a John Lawson, son of Mark and Dorothy, has > been found either in Hamsterley or anywhere else. In the church records in > Raskelf, including at John's marriage, John is described as "only son of > Mark Lawson of Alnwick and his wife Dorothy". > > No further children of Mark and Dorothy have been located and Dorothy's > death is recorded (in St Michael's church Alnwick). Subsequently, a Mark > Lawson of Alnwick also had at least one daughter, who also died young - > this could be the same Mark, but there are also one or two others - one of > whom was in the Northumberland Militia. A death of a Mark Lawson is > recorded in 1801, also at St Michael's, of a labourer aged around 80. > Three births of Mark Lawsons are recorded in the surrounding area in the > 1820s, in Rothbury, Elsdon (Sopwith) and Lanchester. The family names of > the Rothbury and Elsdon Lawsons are both repeated in our family. I also > believe that these two families are connected with eace other. I cannot > prove, however, that our Mark Lawson is definitely descended from either. > > Any suggestions welcome! > > K Lawson. > > > > > > Got a cool Hotmail story? Tell us now > > _________________________________________________________________ > Tell us your greatest, weirdest and funniest Hotmail stories > http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/195013117/direct/01/ > > > The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at > http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NORTHUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.436 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2742 - Release Date: 03/12/10 19:33:00 The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORTHUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Elsdon (Sopwith), I think this could be Soppit rather than Sopwith , a small farm (and previous coal mine site) about 1 mile West of Elsdon town. Mike Temple, Spain. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tina Lawson" <home_yorks@hotmail.com> To: "NORTHUMBRIA & DURHAM List" <northumbria-l@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2010 11:41 AM Subject: [NMB] Mark Lawson, shopkeeper, Alnwick > > > We are still looking for evidence of the ancestry of Mark Lawson, who was > a shopkeeper, of Clayport, Alnwick, in the 1770s. > > He and his (first?) wife, Dorothy, had a son, John, who died aged 70 in > 1823 (in Raskelf, Yorkshire). John was a blacksmith and parish clerk. This > suggests he could well be the John Lawson, son of Mark and Dorothy, > baptised in Hamsterley (near Bishop Auckland, Durham) in 1753. No other > possible birth or baptism of a John Lawson, son of Mark and Dorothy, has > been found either in Hamsterley or anywhere else. In the church records in > Raskelf, including at John's marriage, John is described as "only son of > Mark Lawson of Alnwick and his wife Dorothy". > > No further children of Mark and Dorothy have been located and Dorothy's > death is recorded (in St Michael's church Alnwick). Subsequently, a Mark > Lawson of Alnwick also had at least one daughter, who also died young - > this could be the same Mark, but there are also one or two others - one of > whom was in the Northumberland Militia. A death of a Mark Lawson is > recorded in 1801, also at St Michael's, of a labourer aged around 80. > Three births of Mark Lawsons are recorded in the surrounding area in the > 1820s, in Rothbury, Elsdon (Sopwith) and Lanchester. The family names of > the Rothbury and Elsdon Lawsons are both repeated in our family. I also > believe that these two families are connected with eace other. I cannot > prove, however, that our Mark Lawson is definitely descended from either. > > Any suggestions welcome! > > K Lawson. > > > > > > Got a cool Hotmail story? Tell us now > > _________________________________________________________________ > Tell us your greatest, weirdest and funniest Hotmail stories > http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/195013117/direct/01/ > > > The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at > http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NORTHUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.436 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2742 - Release Date: 03/12/10 19:33:00

Since I asked some questions about the above on this list a few years ago, and now have the answer, I thought I would post it for anyone who might be searching the name. The problem was that Mark Hall,a Colliery Engineman and my g.g.grandfather was in the 1861 Census in Chilton Colliery, but his wife Jane was in the 1871 Census in Etherley Dene, near Bishop Auckland, described as a widow but there was no Death Registration for Mark. I then found an accidental death for a Mark Hall, an Engineman, the right age, at Woodhouse Close Colliery near Etherley Dene on November 21st 1868 on the Durham Mining Museum website - he was entangled in the winding machinery - but still no death registration to match; I even contacted the Registrar at the district that now has the Auckland records with no success. Periodically I would try to find mis-transcription of his name, until I noticed last week that there was a death registered for a Ralph Hall the right age, 58, in Auckland in the right quarter of 1868. A quick check of the 1861 Census showed no Ralph Hall of that age in the area, and the Ralph nearest in age was still alive in 1871, so I decided to risk my seven quid and get the certificate. The result: 21st November 1868 Etherley Dean (sic); Ralph Hall, Male, 58 years, Engineman in a Colliery, Cause of Death - I won't reproduce this, it is unexpectedly gruesome, matches the Durham Mining Museum entry and I certainly don't want to see the Inquest even if it is available - Information received from Thomas Dean, Deputy Coroner for Darlington Ward Durham. Inquest held on the Twenty-Third November 1868. When Registered, Thirtieth November 1868, Thomas Robson, Deputy Registrar. There is no possible doubt that this refers to Mark, and since the Durham Mining Museum got the right name from the Mine Inspector's Report I think one can assume the Inquest would have been in the correct name, and it got corrupted somewhere between the Inquest and the Registration. It may be significant that the actual Registration was so long after the Inquest, and probably well after the funeral, and I doubt if any of his family ever saw the Death Certificate. With hindsight I should have noticed this earlier, but Hall is such a common name, and there are 407 deaths of them in the last quarter of 1868, 49 of them in Co. Durham, and I was looking for something that could have been a likely mistranscription of the name Mark. Moral - never give up searching. Adrian

We are still looking for evidence of the ancestry of Mark Lawson, who was a shopkeeper, of Clayport, Alnwick, in the 1770s. He and his (first?) wife, Dorothy, had a son, John, who died aged 70 in 1823 (in Raskelf, Yorkshire). John was a blacksmith and parish clerk. This suggests he could well be the John Lawson, son of Mark and Dorothy, baptised in Hamsterley (near Bishop Auckland, Durham) in 1753. No other possible birth or baptism of a John Lawson, son of Mark and Dorothy, has been found either in Hamsterley or anywhere else. In the church records in Raskelf, including at John's marriage, John is described as "only son of Mark Lawson of Alnwick and his wife Dorothy". No further children of Mark and Dorothy have been located and Dorothy's death is recorded (in St Michael's church Alnwick). Subsequently, a Mark Lawson of Alnwick also had at least one daughter, who also died young - this could be the same Mark, but there are also one or two others - one of whom was in the Northumberland Militia. A death of a Mark Lawson is recorded in 1801, also at St Michael's, of a labourer aged around 80. Three births of Mark Lawsons are recorded in the surrounding area in the 1820s, in Rothbury, Elsdon (Sopwith) and Lanchester. The family names of the Rothbury and Elsdon Lawsons are both repeated in our family. I also believe that these two families are connected with eace other. I cannot prove, however, that our Mark Lawson is definitely descended from either. Any suggestions welcome! K Lawson. Got a cool Hotmail story? Tell us now _________________________________________________________________ Tell us your greatest, weirdest and funniest Hotmail stories http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/195013117/direct/01/

Hi Brian I found it in the archives. The url is http://www.otherworldnortheast.org.uk/downloads/nelocalvol1.pdf cheers Bruce