On 23/03/2010 19:35, Vivienne Simmons wrote: > Found it in 1871. What are you looking for? Vivienne Telling us you've found it isn't a lot of help. Why not give us the 1861/1871 reference of any house in Heugh Street - then Val and anyone else interested can find it. Brian -- Brian Pears (Gateshead, UK) http://www.bpears.org.uk/ Joint List Admin NORTHUMBRIA Genealogy Mailing List GENUKI Northumberland Maintainer

1861 and 1871 references for a house on Heugh St: 1861 RG09. Piece 3785. Folio 79. Page 17. 1871 RG10. Piece 5027. Folio 73. Paage 68. Vivienne Toronto, Canada ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Pears" <bp@bpears.org.uk> To: <northumbria@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2010 4:17 PM Subject: Re: [NMB] Heugh Street, Westoe DUR 1861 and 1871 > On 23/03/2010 19:35, Vivienne Simmons wrote: >> Found it in 1871. What are you looking for? > > Vivienne > > Telling us you've found it isn't a lot of help. Why not give > us the 1861/1871 reference of any house in Heugh Street - then

my ancestor was also in Spain and Portugal although a bit earlier he was in fact a soldier in the 68th of foot did you check him out in the military records to see if he was a soldier? Alison

Can anyone find this address on the census? I can only find 1851 and 1881 - Heugh Street, Westoe DUR 1861 and 1871. I've tried ancestry.com. Gen in NBL, UK _________________________________________________________________ Tell us your greatest, weirdest and funniest Hotmail stories http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/195013117/direct/01/

Found it in 1861 also. Mistranscribed as HUGH ST. Vivienne Toronto, Canada ----- Original Message ----- From: "gen listlass" <genlistlass@hotmail.com> To: <northumbria@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2010 11:50 AM Subject: [NMB] Heugh Street, Westoe DUR 1861 and 1871 > > > > Can anyone find this address on the census? I can only find 1851 and > 1881 - Heugh Street, Westoe DUR 1861 and 1871. I've tried ancestry.com. > Gen in NBL, UK

Found it in 1871. What are you looking for? Vivienne Toronto, Canada ----- Original Message ----- From: "gen listlass" <genlistlass@hotmail.com> To: <northumbria@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2010 11:50 AM Subject: [NMB] Heugh Street, Westoe DUR 1861 and 1871 > > > > Can anyone find this address on the census? I can only find 1851 and > 1881 - Heugh Street, Westoe DUR 1861 and 1871. I've tried ancestry.com. > Gen in NBL, UK > _________________________________________________________________ > Tell us your greatest, weirdest and funniest Hotmail stories > http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/195013117/direct/01/ > > > The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at > http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NORTHUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Gen I think its a difference between what we in England or Britain know as an obituary (a write up of a persons life and career and momentous happenings in that persons life) and a death notice In the USA, Canada and to some extent Australia they seem to refer to a death notice as an obituary In my experience very few indeed had an obituary, some had a death notice in the paper and the majority had nothing Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > Not everyone had a published obituary. Most only had a death notice in the > classified section of the local newspaper. This would only contain death > info and where the burial or cremation would be held and when. > > Gen in NBL, UK > >> I've tried locating obituaries, if there are any, for four of my >> ancestors >> with no luck from this side of the pond. Am wondering if someone could >> help >> or point me to the proper repository? > >> Reid Cooper California, USA

If you are sure you have the correct certificate it might be no more than a mistake by the registrar. I have a copy of my uncle's marriage certificate. His father was definitely John, but he appears as James on the certificate, but it is definitely the correct certificate in every other detail. Regards, Cecilia Bell in Essex UK ----- Original Message ----- From: "C Bridges" <c-bridges@sky.com> To: <northumbria@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 10:46 PM Subject: Re: [NMB] GATISS > common abbreviations for Joseph and James, ie "Jos" and "Jas", are often confused. Thank you Brian. I hadn't thought of this. However, I have both original (i.e. photocopied) certs and both names are in full. Also the occupations are mason (James1839) and joiner (Joseph 1846). These occupations seem incongruent. When the certificate was filled in could any member of the wedding party offer the information? What was the usual procedure? Cathy On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 11:24 PM, Brian Pears <bp@bpears.org.uk> wrote: > On 22/03/2010 21:16, C Bridges wrote: > > Has anyone any details about this name/ family and/or any advice about > why > > there could be two fathers? > > Unfortunately the common abbreviations for Joseph and James, > ie "Jos" and "Jas", are often confused. So I reckon that > the father's name on one of the certificates was abbreviated > at some point and then misread. > > Brian > -- > Brian Pears (Gateshead, UK) http://www.bpears.org.uk/ > Joint List Admin NORTHUMBRIA Genealogy Mailing List > GENUKI Northumberland Maintainer > > > The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at > http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NORTHUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORTHUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.791 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2763 - Release Date: 03/22/10 07:33:00

Hi Reid, You might find this page useful, it is the page of the Gateshead Borough Council dealing with Burial and Cramation records. They offer a search service for finding burials/cremation records. There will be a charge for this service so do check fees and charges. http://www.gateshead.gov.uk/People%20and%20Living/Bereavement/Burial%20and%20Cremation%20Records.aspx regards Jenny DeAngelis Spain. <<> My great grandfather Christopher Tate Cooper: died 09 Aug 1915 while living > at 98 Market Lane, Dunston, Durham County. > His son, my grand uncle Christopher Tate Cooper, II: died 04 Dec 1940 > while > at the Royal Victoria Infirmary, but had lived at 12 Fern Ave, South Moor, > County Durham. > Another son and grand uncle Samuel Cooper (was Chief Inspector of Weights > & > Measures of Gateshead Borough): Died 17 Apr 1947 while living at 2 Onslow > Gardens, Low Fell, Gateshead. > Finally, Samuel's son also Christopher Tate Cooper (was plant manager for > years at Cookson Lead & Antimony Co., Ltd in Willington Quay, but lived > for > years and years at 38 Moor Crescent, Gosforth: death was registered in the > second Qtr of 1981. I have not yet received his death certificate.>>

Not everyone had a published obituary. Most only had a death notice in the classified section of the local newspaper. This would only contain death info and where the burial or cremation would be held and when. Gen in NBL, UK > I've tried locating obituaries, if there are any, for four of my ancestors > with no luck from this side of the pond. Am wondering if someone could help > or point me to the proper repository? > Reid Cooper California, USA _________________________________________________________________ Do you have a story that started on Hotmail? Tell us now http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/195013117/direct/01/

Is there evidence for migrants from Tyneside to Spain in the 1850's? We have a possible death for William Elliott MAIN on an MI in Malaga in 1863. William Elliot MAIN was born in Gateshead in October 1837. In the 1851 Census he is a 'Clerk to Engineer' age 13 living in Cumberland Row Newcastle upon Tyne with his mother (Margaret nee ELLIOTT) We have not found him in later censuses and he is not named in his mother's will written in 1873. Robin Lanark Scotland

> common abbreviations for Joseph and James, ie "Jos" and "Jas", are often confused. Thank you Brian. I hadn't thought of this. However, I have both original (i.e. photocopied) certs and both names are in full. Also the occupations are mason (James1839) and joiner (Joseph 1846). These occupations seem incongruent. When the certificate was filled in could any member of the wedding party offer the information? What was the usual procedure? Cathy On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 11:24 PM, Brian Pears <bp@bpears.org.uk> wrote: > On 22/03/2010 21:16, C Bridges wrote: > > Has anyone any details about this name/ family and/or any advice about > why > > there could be two fathers? > > Unfortunately the common abbreviations for Joseph and James, > ie "Jos" and "Jas", are often confused. So I reckon that > the father's name on one of the certificates was abbreviated > at some point and then misread. > > Brian > -- > Brian Pears (Gateshead, UK) http://www.bpears.org.uk/ > Joint List Admin NORTHUMBRIA Genealogy Mailing List > GENUKI Northumberland Maintainer > > > The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at > http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NORTHUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

On 22/03/2010 22:46, C Bridges wrote: > Thank you Brian. I hadn't thought of this. However, I have both original > (i.e. photocopied) certs and both names are in full. Also the occupations > are mason (James1839) and joiner (Joseph 1846). These occupations seem > incongruent. The fact that both names are in full on the certificate does not mean that they have been in full at every stage in the process. Registers were normally filled in by the vicar/registrar before the ceremony from info on advance notices or banns. Maybe somebody jotted down "Jos" taken from, say, the banns info, on a scrap of paper and then they or someone else misread it as Jas when they filled in the register - and so wrote James rather than Joseph. Why are the occupations "incongruent"? A man of many skills, perhaps, who takes whatever is going at the time, could well have been employed as a mason in 1839 and a joiner in 1846. Having said that, if it were my family and my research, I think I'd be seriously questioning my assumption that the two Johns were the same person. Brian -- Brian Pears (Gateshead, UK) http://www.bpears.org.uk/ Joint List Admin NORTHUMBRIA Genealogy Mailing List GENUKI Northumberland Maintainer

On 22/03/2010 21:16, C Bridges wrote: > Has anyone any details about this name/ family and/or any advice about why > there could be two fathers? Unfortunately the common abbreviations for Joseph and James, ie "Jos" and "Jas", are often confused. So I reckon that the father's name on one of the certificates was abbreviated at some point and then misread. Brian -- Brian Pears (Gateshead, UK) http://www.bpears.org.uk/ Joint List Admin NORTHUMBRIA Genealogy Mailing List GENUKI Northumberland Maintainer

I wonder if anyone could help me with any details about my paternal family tree. The name I am looking for is Gatiss and much of my research has centered around St Mary's Heworth. I have a particular problem in tracing a James or Joseph Gatiss who had a son John Gatiss b.c. 1816 Lamesley/ Ravensworth. I have traced John's family who lived in and around High Lanes for many years but there is no record of John's birth. His 'father's' names come from marriage certs and it is almost without doubt they are one in the same John on each certificate. Has anyone any details about this name/ family and/or any advice about why there could be two fathers?

I've tried locating obituaries, if there are any, for four of my ancestors with no luck from this side of the pond. Am wondering if someone could help or point me to the proper repository? My great grandfather Christopher Tate Cooper: died 09 Aug 1915 while living at 98 Market Lane, Dunston, Durham County. His son, my grand uncle Christopher Tate Cooper, II: died 04 Dec 1940 while at the Royal Victoria Infirmary, but had lived at 12 Fern Ave, South Moor, County Durham. Another son and grand uncle Samuel Cooper (was Chief Inspector of Weights & Measures of Gateshead Borough): Died 17 Apr 1947 while living at 2 Onslow Gardens, Low Fell, Gateshead. Finally, Samuel's son also Christopher Tate Cooper (was plant manager for years at Cookson Lead & Antimony Co., Ltd in Willington Quay, but lived for years and years at 38 Moor Crescent, Gosforth: death was registered in the second Qtr of 1981. I have not yet received his death certificate. Any and all information respectfully solicited and gratefully accepted! Reid Cooper California, USA

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BTW Septimus was usually a name given to the seventh child in a family. I've seen it before. Joan ----- Original Message ----- From: "karen" <karen.milkhillcottage@gmail.com> To: <northumbria@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 07:41 Subject: Re: [NMB] Inexplicable forenames? > Hi Chris, > > On 22 March 2010 11:04, Christopher Morgan > <chrismorgan4@btinternet.com>wrote: > >> My father had an uncle Gustaf Hedberg HUTTON - where did these names come >> from?! >> >> >> Gus, as he was known, was born in March 1881 and appears in the census as >> one month old. Curiously, there was an Erik Gustaf HEDBERG, captain of a >> Swedish ship moored in the Tyne at Newcastle on census night. >> >> I cannot help with your query, but sometimes once you find out more about > their lives the reasons for unusual names can emerge. My GG Grandfather > John > Ray Cook named two of his children Alfred Septimus and Zenobia. At the > time > I found this I looked for all sorts of possible reasons for these names > but > found nothing obvious. > > A long while later I found out that Alfred Septimus Palmer was the pit > manager at Wardley Colliery where my GG Grandfather worked and in the 1881 > census a cousin of mine found that a few doors down from John Ray Cooks > family in Wardley was a Zenobia Robinson, daughter of Morgan Robinson a > Colliery Viewer and probably my GG Grandfathers boss. > > I know that my GG Grandfather was involved in work to improve conditions > in > Wardley along with these men. So he possibly named his children out of > respect or perhaps he was simpy a creep to his bosses!!! I will never > know. > As the rest of his children had more usual names of the time such as > Frederick, Isabella, Jane etc I have never investigated whether they were > named after anyone else. > > Regards > > Karen > > > The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at > http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NORTHUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I would interpret this "7 children still living, 4 children who died" as a total of 11 children born to this couple, of which 9 were born alive and 2 were stillborn and a further 2 died in infancy or later. Mike Temple, Spain. ----- Original Message ----- From: "JohnH" <orangebouncesrootsweb@googlemail.com> To: <northumbria@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 7:27 AM Subject: [NMB] Innumerate enumerator? > I'm trying to get my head round an entry in the 1911 census for a family > at > Choppington Colliery. George & Georgina are recorded with their 7 > children. > The census records that they have been married 22 years 9 "total children > born alive", 7 "children still living", 4 "children who have died"! > > In trying to understand this apparent anomaly. Other than an innumerate > enumerator could there be a hidden message, perhaps a further 2 children > were stillborn? > > Has anyone come across such a discrepancy elsewhere and was it also an > excess of "dead" children? > > Reference RG14PN31043 RG78PN1776 RD564 SD3 ED10 SN184 > > John Heckels > > > > > The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at > http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NORTHUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.437 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2762 - Release Date: 03/21/10 19:33:00

Hi Chris, On 22 March 2010 11:04, Christopher Morgan <chrismorgan4@btinternet.com>wrote: > My father had an uncle Gustaf Hedberg HUTTON - where did these names come > from?! > > > Gus, as he was known, was born in March 1881 and appears in the census as > one month old. Curiously, there was an Erik Gustaf HEDBERG, captain of a > Swedish ship moored in the Tyne at Newcastle on census night. > > I cannot help with your query, but sometimes once you find out more about their lives the reasons for unusual names can emerge. My GG Grandfather John Ray Cook named two of his children Alfred Septimus and Zenobia. At the time I found this I looked for all sorts of possible reasons for these names but found nothing obvious. A long while later I found out that Alfred Septimus Palmer was the pit manager at Wardley Colliery where my GG Grandfather worked and in the 1881 census a cousin of mine found that a few doors down from John Ray Cooks family in Wardley was a Zenobia Robinson, daughter of Morgan Robinson a Colliery Viewer and probably my GG Grandfathers boss. I know that my GG Grandfather was involved in work to improve conditions in Wardley along with these men. So he possibly named his children out of respect or perhaps he was simpy a creep to his bosses!!! I will never know. As the rest of his children had more usual names of the time such as Frederick, Isabella, Jane etc I have never investigated whether they were named after anyone else. Regards Karen