I have just checked the BT's for Tynemouth for my Robson Family, Richard and Wife Hannah(nee Slater), both originally from Ryton (Durham). i have found Baptism's for 4 boys but, 3 say 3rd son and 1 says 5th son. Does this mean that (3rd) means this is the 3rd son living or 3rd born, do I need to search for burials in the years in between. Paul

I believe you are correct about Birdhopecraig chapel. I seem to recall that the earlier (1672) one was at Sillsburnfoot, not very far from where the "new" stone chapel was built in 1826. I haven't been in that area for a few years now, but I do recall the chapel is now closed and is possibly a private residence now ? Mike Temple. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Geoff Nicholson" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2013 2:02 PM Subject: Re: [NMB] Marriage in Redesdale - resources searched at Woodhorn > > Although BHC chapel was built in 1826 according to "British Listed > Buildings" > webpage, it seems as though marriages were performed pre-1837 at other > rural > locations. The Carterhead and Cocklaw could have been farms, private > houses, > field chapel meetings or anywhere non-Conformist people worshiped together > at > that time. > > Gen: > > In England and Wales there were NO marriages in nonconformist chapels > before 1837. I know that sometimes pre-1837 marriages are indeed recorded > in their registers but they were always ones of congregation members who > had married elsewhere. The nonconformist church register was just a handy > record of the fact that they were married and with details such as where, > when etc. In particular I have seen Roman Catholic registers with > numerous pre-1837 weddings recorded (eg Bishopwearmouth St Mary) but on > investigation all turn out to have been in Ireland b efore the couple > moved over to Sunderland! > > While I am not sure of the status of Cocklaw as a wedding venue, "The > Carterhead" seems to have been a Border Marriage House, similar to those > at Lamberton Toll, Gretna Green etc, and was presumably on the border at > Carter Bar on what is now the A68 road. > > Incidentally, Birdhopecraig registers go back well before 1826. What > happened then was a re-building of an existing chapel. It might be that > its location was changed slightly, as I have a feeling I once heard it had > begun some quarter to half a mile further up the road from where it is > now. It was founded in 1672 and the earliest surviving register dates > from 1728. > > Geoff Nicholson > > > > > > .. > Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any > reply...... Thank you! > > The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at > http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

gen listlass <[email protected]> wrote: >My last email was formatted with proper punctuation when it left my >laptop. Now it appears as a big wodge of text, totally unreadable. > >Don't know what went wrong, it's happened before but usually to much >shorter emails. Hi It looked OK in my mail reader. Brian -- Brian Pears (Joint List Admin - NORTHUMBRIA Mailing List)

My last email was formatted with proper punctuation when it left my laptop. Now it appears as a big wodge of text, totally unreadable. Don't know what went wrong, it's happened before but usually to much shorter emails. Gen in NBL England

Paul: I suppose what happened was that the clerk, who didn't really have any knowledge of his own about which child it was, would ask the parents and would have to believe whatever they told him. Sometimes they would think he meant the number of births and sometimes the number of survivors. In each case you have to consider that both their memories and the reliability of their counting are not necessarily perfect. I would therefore say "yes" to your question. You really do need to seek all the baptisms and burials for yourself, by searching through the registers, preferably the originals, and draw your own conclusions. Geoff Nicholson -----Original Message----- From: Paul Hood <[email protected]> To: northumbria <[email protected]> Sent: Thu, 24 Jan 2013 15:35 Subject: [NMB] ROBSON I have just checked the BT's for Tynemouth for my Robson Family, Richard and Wife Hannah(nee Slater), both originally from Ryton (Durham). i have found Baptism's for 4 boys but, 3 say 3rd son and 1 says 5th son. Does this mean that (3rd) means this is the 3rd son living or 3rd born, do I need to search for burials in the years in between. Paul .. Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any reply...... Thank you! The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

In my last message, I said that I had found two people by this name. The one from Wakefield I ruled out, but said that the second had come from South Shields. This was a lapse of concentration as he actually was living in Jarrow. Apologies, David Scott.

Geoff, How interesting: findmypast lists two possibles, on that can be ruled out as he lived in Wakefield, and was born in Yorkshire. The other shows up in South Shields, living with his mother and several brothers and sisters. David Scott. -----Original Message----- From: Geoff Nicholson - Email Address: [email protected] Sent On: 24/01/2013 11:35 Sent To: [email protected] - Email Address: [email protected] Subject: no subject Ancestry show only one John W Carr, aged 19, in Co Durham. He was born in Sunderland and living with his wife, Isabella, in Monkwearmouth Shore (RG12/4149, folio 102, page 40). Could that be him? Geoff Nicholson

Melvyn I had a look at some resources at Woodhorn yesterday for your Hunters and Douglass's. Re: the missing gravestone for Isabella HUNTER. I looked at the MI's for Holy Trinity, Horsley church transcribed by Phil Thirkell in 1989. There are two Hunter gravestones indexed but neither are for Isabella 1 Number 42 Thomas beloved husband of Anne Elisabeth HUNTER who died 19 May 1932 aged 82 years and the above Anne Elisabeth HUNTER died 7 Sept 1938 aged 86 years “At Rest” 2 Number 80 In memory of Margaret wife of James HUNTER who died at Rochester Feb 18, 1868 aged 45. James HUNTER who died Sept 30th 1899 aged 80 years. Robert their son died Oct 21, 1887 aged 22 years. Elisabeth their daughter died Jul 26, 1889 aged 26John their son who died Feb 15, 1929 aged 72 yearsEleanor Robinson HUNTER who died at Rochester 25 Sept 1937 aged 84 years I also checked for the DOUGLAS family and found only one MI : Number 33 Erected to the memory of Mary DOUGLASS who died at Sills Apr 23 1900 aged 78 years.Also Douglass DOUGLASS who died at Sills Fe 23 1901 aged 59 years.Also John DOUGLASS who died at Sills Feb 20 1904 aged 72 yearsAlso Robert DOUGLASS who died at Sills Dec 30 1912 aged 88 years You possibly already have these OR they are not your family but the place-name "Sills" seems a likely match. DOUGLASS was always spelled with a double "ss" at the end. As for the marriage of Ralph HUNTER and Isabella DOUGLASS:I checked the Crossborder marriage lists (Misc 57) from the Berwick and Kelso newspapers between 1835-1843 but found no marriage for these two reported to the newspapers. I checked the Lamberton Toll marriage between 1839-1841 but nothing. I checked Mordington between the same dates, 3 HUNTER grooms but no Ralph's. However there are more Cross Border Marriage books to check still. When I came home I looked at the 1841 census for Ralph and Isabella and they seem to be living separately He is an "ag lab" and she is a FS = female servant. It doesn't say whether they are married or unmarried but I would guess not as Isabella is down as Isabella DOUGLASS. Therefore with their first child being 8 on the 1851 census, I would have put their marriage between 1841 and 1844-ish, not 1840 unless you have other information. I looked at a baptism book for Birdhopecraig Presbyterian chapel (UR/P6/1/1/1/1) which had a few marriages in the back. Strangely they date from 1835--1903. (1835/6 were surprising for English Presbyterian marriages!) In 1835 there are two marriages at "the Carterhead"In 1836 there are 2 marriages at "Cocklaw"In 1838 there is one marriage at "Carterhead" all these marriages are performed by Geo. McFie minister In 1840 there were 2 marriages performed at "the Scotch church Birdhope Craig" by James ....?mont minister and "in the Scotch church here" by the minister of Falstone Geo. O Moffatt After that date things settle down to regular marriages, although very few, at Birdhopecraig Presb. chapel by a seemingly permanent minister. Although BHC chapel was built in 1826 according to "British Listed Buildings" webpage, it seems as though marriages were performed pre-1837 at other rural locations. The Carterhead and Cocklaw could have been farms, private houses, field chapel meetings or anywhere non-Conformist people worshiped together at that time. I've given this information about BHC at some length to show how sketchy some of the records and the marriages sometimes were. If your people were married at BHC they were not noted in this register. But absence of proof is not proof of absence! This marriage needs further investigation:-) Gen in NBL England > Although I have not come across any hard evidence, since most books I have > read for the area strongly imply no argument between denominations, the > information I have for my Hunter and Douglas families in Redesdale is that > the Douglas family were probably more religious than the Hunter family. > Perhaps the Douglas parents were not too keen on Isabella marrying an > Anglican and so Ralph and Isabella decided to nip over the border and get > married. Their middle child (my great-grandfather) trained at Otterburn and > then moved to Galashiels to work in the tweed mills before moving further > north. He was appointed a deacon of Ladhope Free Church and later was > awarded for being a Free Kirk Sunday School teacher for 52 years in total - > his mother's church background was obviously a strong influence in his early > life. > > Melvyn.

Hi Findmypast has an index for deaths at sea - however, your local library may also have this, perhaps as a microfiche resource. The online references (including a response in 2007 on the Mariners' list to a query from you) refer to the Pallas as being wrecked at/on Sizewell Bank on the night of Tuesday, 24 Jan 1860 and a lifeboat was launched from Thorpeness in Suffolk. http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/MARINERS/2007-07/1185093304 Three men were rescued according to the Royal National Life-Boat Institution (Google books). The master and either three or four others (depending on source) who had got into the Pallas' own boat were drowned when the boat capsized (again, see Google books). Unfortunately only the master (Rook) is named. Ingrid On 24/01/2013, at 6:37 AM, [email protected] wrote: > > > I have an ancestor named Ralph Gibson who was wrecked at sea off Offordness, Norfolk > > He was on a coal ship The Pallas going from North Shields to London in January 1860 > > I can find no death for him on Free BMDS and wonder if there is anywhere else I can look for this

Although BHC chapel was built in 1826 according to "British Listed Buildings" webpage, it seems as though marriages were performed pre-1837 at other rural locations. The Carterhead and Cocklaw could have been farms, private houses, field chapel meetings or anywhere non-Conformist people worshiped together at that time. Gen: In England and Wales there were NO marriages in nonconformist chapels before 1837. I know that sometimes pre-1837 marriages are indeed recorded in their registers but they were always ones of congregation members who had married elsewhere. The nonconformist church register was just a handy record of the fact that they were married and with details such as where, when etc. In particular I have seen Roman Catholic registers with numerous pre-1837 weddings recorded (eg Bishopwearmouth St Mary) but on investigation all turn out to have been in Ireland b efore the couple moved over to Sunderland! While I am not sure of the status of Cocklaw as a wedding venue, "The Carterhead" seems to have been a Border Marriage House, similar to those at Lamberton Toll, Gretna Green etc, and was presumably on the border at Carter Bar on what is now the A68 road. Incidentally, Birdhopecraig registers go back well before 1826. What happened then was a re-building of an existing chapel. It might be that its location was changed slightly, as I have a feeling I once heard it had begun some quarter to half a mile further up the road from where it is now. It was founded in 1672 and the earliest surviving register dates from 1728. Geoff Nicholson

Hello, This is my first post from the USA.  I have a John Carr, b. Dec. 5, 1722 in Bywell, Northumberland (?).  His mother was Catherine Carr, married George Troutbeck in 1712 at Bywell.  Can this John be related to your John in Durham? Regards, Susan 

Ancestry show only one John W Carr, aged 19, in Co Durham. He was born in Sunderland and living with his wife, Isabella, in Monkwearmouth Shore (RG12/4149, folio 102, page 40). Could that be him? Geoff Nicholson -----Original Message----- From: J Malcouronne <[email protected]> To: NORTHUMBRIA <[email protected]> Sent: Thu, 24 Jan 2013 11:16 Subject: [NMB] CARR I can find my grandfather in the 1881 census and then not again until the 1911 census, where he was at Half Way House, Thornley, Durham, his name John William CARR born 10 Aug 1871 in Quarrington Hill, Durham, died 14 Feb 1919 Wheatley Hill, Durham. Any ideas how I can track him down between these dates? .. Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any reply...... Thank you! The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Margery Are you sure he died in Jan 1860? Where does the information come from Nothing in the deaths at sea or GRO index as you say, the two Ralph GIBSONs in 1860 & 1861 in the GRO index are accounted for Were the bodies recovered? No body no death certificate A couple of bits from the papers (my brief summary) The Newcastle Courant Feb 3 1860 The Pallas lost on Sizewell Bank Three of the crew drowned, viz, Mardin Newitz, Geo. Forrest, and Jno. Clark (should that read three of the crew saved?) --------------------- The Ipswich Journal Sat Jan 28th 1860 Captain George Brooke Capt and four men drowned Three saved the captain left a wife and five children, mate, wife & one child, William Bossom, wife and two children, Henry Houghton, wife and one child, John Beverage, ordinary seaman, not married It appears some papers name the Capt as ROCK but BROOKE seems more likely Checking the deaths at sea I found no deaths registered in 1860 for the Pallas, which suggests no bodies were recovered (deaths at sea record the ship) Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 23/01/2013 17:37, [email protected] wrote: > I have just read with interest your posting on BMDS at sea > > I have an ancestor named Ralph Gibson who was wrecked at sea off Offordness, Norfolk > > He was on a coal ship The Pallas going from North Shields to London in January 1860 > > I can find no death for him on Free BMDS and wonder if there is anywhere else I can look for this > > Margery

Hi Melvyn If he was born in Scotland in 1852 or 1853 his birth would not be registered as civil registration had not started then in Scotland (started in 1855) His baptism may be recorded but far from all were baptised and the records for those that were, do not all survive Have you checked scotlandspeople? In England or Wales if he was born at sea and the birth was registered, it would be in whats called the Overseas Indexes (scotland have their own births at sea index) The time spans of those indexes vary and are far from complete, requiring the event to be passed to the local office in the port on arrival or via the Consul Those indexes are separate to the usual GRO index as found on freebmd, I had a quick look but did not see a George BROWN registered as born at sea, there are several male BROWN children registered between 1837 and 1862, unfortunately you would need to order the certificate to find out more There are several different Overseas indexes and its worth checking them all, most can be browsed for free on familyrelatives.com (you need to register but do not need CC details) I can see your family in 1861 & 1871 & 1891 in Scotland have you checked the page images from Scotlandspeople? do not rely on the transcript as there may be more on the image From the evidence so far, I would say he was born in Newcastle area rather than born at sea (why else is he recorded as born Newcastle and or England and not born at sea) It is possible he was registered in Newcastle and the birth was not reported to the GRO in the quarterly returns, have you checked with the local office in Newcastle? <http://www.newcastle.gov.uk/your-council/register-office/historical-searches> Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 20/01/2013 22:47, Melvyn Hunter wrote: > My great-grandfather was George Brown, born to Joseph Brown and Sarah Clark, > both from Leith in Midlothian, Scotland. Joseph Brown was a marine engineer > who appears to have travelled on new vessels to test and adjust the engines. > George Brown was born, by calculation from census returns and his gravestone > in Edinburgh, in 1852 or 1853. Census returns state England - the 1891 > census names Newcastle. However, I can find nothing else to prove this. His > birth has not been registered in either England, where it took place, or > Scotland from where all his family before and after hailed. Can anyone > suggest any places I can try for more information, or is this just another > of those things to which there is no answer. > > Melvyn.

I have just read with interest your posting on BMDS at sea I have an ancestor named Ralph Gibson who was wrecked at sea off Offordness, Norfolk He was on a coal ship The Pallas going from North Shields to London in January 1860 I can find no death for him on Free BMDS and wonder if there is anywhere else I can look for this Margery Sent from my iPad On 23 Jan 2013, at 09:32, Geoff Nicholson <[email protected]> wrote: > > Melvyn: > > Are you aware that birth certificates exist for persons born at sea?

Melvyn: Are you aware that birth certificates exist for persons born at sea? They are, however, in a separate list to the usual GRO indexes of births in England and Wales, just as there are separate lists for Army Returns, Consular Returns, etc, and even one for persons born in aircraft. Geoff Nicholson -----Original Message----- From: Melvyn Hunter <[email protected]> To: northumbria <[email protected]> Sent: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 18:13 Subject: Re: [NMB] My great-grandfather Hi, I know I have the right person because I have certificates and census returns for all the other members of the family as well as photographs of their gravestone: George Brown is the only one for whom I have no absolute birth or baptism date. He probably was born on board ship as his father was a marine engineer and he regularly went with ships when on trials following launching and completion. The Newcastle bit comes from the 1891 census return for Leith where the whole family had been resident since George's parents had moved there from Aberdeen many years earlier: all other census returns simply state England. I had assumed that the vessel his father was on at the time had returned to the Newcastle area perhaps for engine adjustments. I have checked all eight Newcastle George Browns and all the ones for what is now north and south Tyneside with no luck. Later, George followed in his father's footsteps and became a marine engineer, but he settled down to work with one company after he married, becoming chief engineer on one of their vessels. He and most of his family are buried in Leith, Midlothian. If he was born at sea, would that be classed as born overseas? To summarise, I have birth and death certificates (or equivalent baptism/burial) for everyone in this family from my mother (who is George's grand-daughter) back to the 1790's, and marriage certificates for those who married: I have copies of the census returns for each direct ancestor family from 1851 to 1911. The one piece I cannot find is the birth for George. Many thanks to all who have made suggestions - the search goes on. Melvyn. ----- Original Message ----- From: "gen listlass" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, January 21, 2013 10:02 PM Subject: Re: [NMB] My great-grandfather > Hello Melvyn > There were 8 George BROWN's born in Newcastle district between 1851-1853, > according to FreeBMD. Have you eliminated all 8? "Newcastle" is a bit > vague for birth place purposes, it could include surrounding suburbs and > areas that come under different GRO districts. > How do you know his mothers maiden name if you have no birth certificate? > Have you his baptism? > Have you considered he might have been born on board ship or overseas if > his mother accompanied his father on voyages? Have you checked overseas > birth indexes? > Where did you find the family on the census? What was George's occupation? > With such a common name, it will be difficult to be absolutely certain you > have the correct person? You will need more than one form of proof. > Gen in NBL England > >> From: [email protected] >> To: [email protected] >> Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2013 22:47:02 +0000 >> Subject: [NMB] My great-grandfather >> >> My great-grandfather was George Brown, born to Joseph Brown and Sarah >> Clark, >> both from Leith in Midlothian, Scotland. 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Dear Anne, Thanks - we tried, again a few years ago before any of the Horsley records had either been found or deposited at the CRO. It may be that something has turned up in the meantime. I shall make a booking at Woodhorn for the next time I am in Newcastle. Melvyn. ----- Original Message ----- From: "ANNE BAMFORD" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2013 8:18 PM Subject: Re: [NMB] Marriage in Redesdale ________________________________ Hi, Melvyn I have just noticed your post. Re fallen stones in grave yard, it might be worth trying the cemetery office for the graveyard. They may just have a record. My local cemetery has, Hope this helps. Anne ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message .. Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any reply...... Thank you! The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2890 / Virus Database: 2637/6024 - Release Date: 01/10/13 Internal Virus Database is out of date.

________________________________ Hi, Melvyn I have just noticed your post.  Re fallen stones in grave yard, it might be worth trying the cemetery office for the graveyard. They may just have a record. My local cemetery has, Hope this helps. Anne ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Gen Sorry, I forgot to say in my post that I had checked vols 1 & 2 of Irregular Marriages as published by the NDFHS - no joy, I am afraid. However, these booklets represent only a fraction of the Border marriages that took place. Ralph Hunter & his bride only had to walk to the nearest part of Scotland to marry cheaply and discreetly - no record may ever have been made of the event. Good luck with all that snow. Ingrid On 22/01/2013, at 11:33 AM, gen listlass wrote: > Forgot to mention I searched the OPR (OLd Parish Records)on Scotlands People for this couple but found none. > Looking at all the other replies, I would be inclined to check the Irregular Border Marriages mentioned by Ingrid, before all the other adjoining parishes of Elsdon, as that's a long job! I've often looked at them at Woodhorn (the Northumberland Archives) and they are very scrappy and over several booklets. However extracts from the Berwick newspaper of the time listed as many as they heard about them, so sometimes you find your man and woman there, if you are lucky. > If you can wait until Woodhorn gets the snow-plough up their access road I will check the IBM lists for you :-)) > Gen in NBL England

I know - a little off topic - I lived much further south now and, despite the disruption, I miss the deeper snow we used to get when I was a child in the north-east. Melvyn. ----- Original Message ----- From: "gen listlass" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2013 8:35 AM Subject: Re: [NMB] Marriage in Redesdale > Thanks for the update, Ingrid. > More snow during the night and still coming down:-) > Gen in NBL England > >> Sorry, I forgot to say in my post that I had checked vols 1 & 2 of >> Irregular Marriages as published by the NDFHS - no joy, I am afraid. >> However, these booklets represent only a fraction of the Border marriages >> that took place. Ralph Hunter & his bride only had to walk to the nearest >> part of Scotland to marry cheaply and discreetly - no record may ever >> have been made of the event. > > > .. > Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any > reply...... Thank you! > > The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at > http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2013.0.2890 / Virus Database: 2637/6024 - Release Date: 01/10/13 > Internal Virus Database is out of date. >