John: Families certainly did "jump ship" between any two different denominations. You should bear in mind that there was an Independent Church in Howden (Registers in the National Archives - see the RG4 series of microfilms). I have no information about your John and Ann, but there was a George Golightly and his wife Elizabeth (nee Ward), who lived at Howden Pans, in Wallsend parish, and who had the following children baptised there: George, b 1828 Mar 22, Thomas, b 1831 May 6 and Jane, b 1835 Jul 25. All were baptised on 28 Jun 1837. One wonders why they weren't baptised shortly after each one's birth. I suspect the baptism date probably had something to do with the coming start of civil registration on 1 July 1837. Many people must have had very confused ideas about what this would mean, both in practical, legal and religious terms and I suspect some Ministers may have inadvertently or otherwise, have given the wrong impression to their flocks. However, there again, I must ask whether George and Elizabeth were regular attenders if they had gone nine years without having any of their children baptised, so how would they have known what the Minister's attitude was? Perhaps popular uninformed gossip had been the main influence on their actions. Incidentally, this George Golightly was a trimmer, which means he, and colleagues, worked in the holds of colliers into which coal had been "teemed" from the staithes and it was their job to ensure it was properly distributed, so that the ship would be evenly loaded and safe to go to sea. Trimming was a nasty, dirty, hard job - and a very dangerous one as well. I agree that the surname has been present in both counties - and still is. There was a moderately large firm of "earth movers" named Golightly, a name which caused some amusement to those who saw their bulldozers etc in action (rather like the demolition firm named Tremble, which pulled down most of the older houses in Byker!). They had the contract to operate a small opencast coal site just south of Ryton in about the 1980s and my aunt's brother-in-law, who lived on a farm whose land was involved, used to "keep his eye" on what was going on. If anything displeased him about it he would just say "I'll have a word with Mr Golightly about this" - and he did, usually with good results - I think he knew him personally. Geoff Nicholson -----Original Message----- From: JOHN GOSLING <[email protected]> To: northumbria <[email protected]> Sent: Thu, 31 Jan 2013 13:46 Subject: [NMB] Lookup request: Golightly, Wallsend, Howden, circa 1821-1841 Hi All, Has anyone come across the Golightly family at all? I have a John Golightly, born 1798 in Byker Bar, married to an Ann Douglas, born 1802. They were married 12/04/1823 at All Saints - you can find the Bishops Transcriprs record on Familysearch.org site, 1823-1830, image 33 of 713. It looks like, going by census records, that they were then resident Wallsend, and or Howden (it's all a bit unclear though I believe the two were adjacent.) Daughter Elizabeth, born 1824 according to census in Walls End is one example of their supposed presence there. But I can't see the name Golightly appear at all in the Bishops Transcripts for Wallsend. I have had one example in my tree of people jumping ship from CofE to Wesleyan, but I've not evidence this happened here. Can anyone point me at other likely places to track down baptism records? Regards John .. Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any reply...... Thank you! The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi All,   Has anyone come across the Golightly family at all?   I have a John Golightly, born 1798 in Byker Bar, married to an Ann Douglas, born 1802.   They were married 12/04/1823 at All Saints - you can find the Bishops Transcriprs record on Familysearch.org site, 1823-1830, image 33 of 713.   It looks like, going by census records, that they were then resident Wallsend, and or Howden (it's all a bit unclear though I believe the two were adjacent.)   Daughter Elizabeth, born 1824 according to census in Walls End is one example of their supposed presence there.   But I can't see the name Golightly appear at all in the Bishops Transcripts for Wallsend.   I have had one example in my tree of people jumping ship from CofE to Wesleyan, but I've not evidence this happened here.   Can anyone point me at other likely places to track down baptism records?   Regards   John

Looking though church history pamphlets at Woodhorn yesterday for somewhere completely different, I found one about Birdhopecraig Presbyterian chapel. It is called "Sketch of the history of Birdhopecraig Congregation by Rev. T Newlands" He was their minister for 56 years and it is dated 1896. The first paragraph starts:Almost all early records of this congregation have either been lost or destroyed, so it has been difficult to collect the materials for this sketch" The last paragraph ends: MarriagesThe church was not registered for marriages till 1839, but marrying and giving in marriage went on all the same. They just stepped over the Carter into Scotland, and taking their minister with them, were married there. Five such marriages are registered by the Rev. Mr McFie in the end of the Book of Baptisms, four at Carter Head and one at Cocklaw at the back of Cheviot" These are the five marriages I mentioned in a previous email and reveal the location of Cocklaw. It also explains why marriages might be missing, "lost or destroyed" was his phrase. Gen in NBL England

Gen: Thank you for this. It was particularly interesting to have the location of Cocklaw explained as "back of Cheviot" and, presumably, in Scotland. I had previously thought that what was intended was the Cocklaw (Cocklaw Tower) not far from Chollerton, in the lower N Tyne valley. Once more, proof that one should never jump to conclusions! Geoff Nicholson -----Original Message----- From: gen listlass <[email protected]> To: northumbria <[email protected]> Sent: Thu, 31 Jan 2013 10:29 Subject: [NMB] More about marriages at Birdhopecraig - original source material Looking though church history pamphlets at Woodhorn yesterday for somewhere completely different, I found one about Birdhopecraig Presbyterian chapel. It is called "Sketch of the history of Birdhopecraig Congregation by Rev. T Newlands" He was their minister for 56 years and it is dated 1896. The first paragraph starts:Almost all early records of this congregation have either been lost or destroyed, so it has been difficult to collect the materials for this sketch" The last paragraph ends: MarriagesThe church was not registered for marriages till 1839, but marrying and giving in marriage went on all the same. They just stepped over the Carter into Scotland, and taking their minister with them, were married there. Five such marriages are registered by the Rev. Mr McFie in the end of the Book of Baptisms, four at Carter Head and one at Cocklaw at the back of Cheviot" These are the five marriages I mentioned in a previous email and reveal the location of Cocklaw. It also explains why marriages might be missing, "lost or destroyed" was his phrase. Gen in NBL England .. Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any reply...... Thank you! The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Can anyone help? My Gt Gt Grandparents. Elllen Williamson b. 1828 ? married John Lofthouse 7 June 1849 at Norton, Durham. On the marriage cert. it has her father as William WILLIAMSON (bricklayer) I haven't been able to find her birth record. I've been trying to find her parents, could they be William WILLIAMSON and Ann WILKINSON married 15 May 1827 at Norton, Durham ?

If she married in 1849 she was obviously born before the start of civil registration in 1837, so there will be no record of her birth as such. What you must seek, from now onwards, is the record of her baptism (and that of any ancestors born before 1837). You could seek transcripts of appropriate parish or other church registers, or else the original Norton baptism register, which is in Durham County Record Office, with microfilm copies in Cleveland Record Office, Middlesbrough. Possible publishers for Norton are (a) the Northumberland and Durham Family History Society (NDFHS - a list of publications is on their web-site at www.ndfhs.org) and (b) the Cleveland Family History Society. A cheaper alternative (but it is still a transcript and NOT the parish registers) would be to use the Bishop's Transcripts (BTs), available on the Mormon (LDS) site. The surname Williamson is found all over Northumberland and Co Durham, although it is not common anywhere. Lofthouse, however, is rare in these two counties, and is more likely to be found in Yorkshire, where there is a place named Lofthouse, and possibly Lancashire. It is probably significant that the occurrence of Lofthouse which you mention is in that part of Co Durham very close to Yorkshire (pre-1974 boundaries!). Geoff Nicholson -----Original Message----- From: J Malcouronne <[email protected]> To: northumbria <[email protected]> Sent: Tue, 29 Jan 2013 4:39 Subject: [NMB] William WILLIAMSON Can anyone help? My Gt Gt Grandparents. Elllen Williamson b. 1828 ? married John Lofthouse 7 June 1849 at Norton, Durham. On the marriage cert. it has her father as William WILLIAMSON (bricklayer) I haven't been able to find her birth record. I've been trying to find her parents, could they be William WILLIAMSON and Ann WILKINSON married 15 May 1827 at Norton, Durham ? .. Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any reply...... Thank you! The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

bridget mather <[email protected]> wrote: >It Could be the Jarow March in thew 1920s Bridget The Jarrow March was in 1936. Brian -- Brian Pears (Joint List Admin - NORTHUMBRIA Mailing List)

 The Jarrow Chemical Company was situated between South Shields  and Jaorrw. they also ran a school for the works children to attaned bridget from south shields ________________________________ From: Alan Yarrow <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Friday, 18 January 2013, 8:55 Subject: [NMB] Jarrow Chemical Company I have just recently obtained a Will of a certain William Stevenson who unfortunately seems not to be related but who appears to have been born, lived and died in the City of London. He died in 1854 but interestingly (for me as a Geordie exile of just over 50 years) he states in his will he owns  "four twenty-fourth shares of a partnership in the Jarrow Chemical Company of South Shields". I've never come across this business title and I was wondering if anyone on the list could shed some light on it. My Yarrows originated round Hexham but this Stevenson name is off my wife's side of our family tree who came from London with connections in Buckinghamshire but to see a possible connection to the North-East on her side prompted my query. Many thanks for any help! Alan Y .. Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any reply...... Thank you! The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

________________________________ From: p.jpcollins <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Saturday, 19 January 2013, 16:09 Subject: [NMB] South Shields News Paper Recirds It Could be the Jarow March in thew 1920s The Gazette that what I have also now it as ----- Original Message ----- From: "Geoff Nicholson" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2013 10:52 AM Subject: Re: [NMB] Mercantile and Techinical Training Schools South Shields area ALSO Subject: [NMB] South Shields Marine College Afternoon all. A big thank you for all who sent replies on the  above mentioned subjects they have been a great help If I can ask another question I know that the South Shields newspapers have gone under various names over the Years. My question is: has an index been made of the people that have been mentioned in these papers been made?  If so. how and where might I be able to look at or make contact with them? The reason why I ask is that when I was looking at these papers in London several years ago I seem to remember a name similar to my Grandfather [Michael Collins] being mentioned in conection with some kind of march!! Again many thanks to all who have helped with my previous questions Regards Peter Collins Cheltenham UK .. Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any reply...... Thank you! The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I am surprised at the number of people contributing to my family question, CARR Many thanks, I will be checking out the name KERR in the 1891 & 1901 census to see if I can trace the family. Cheers Joan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Trevor" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 5:37 AM Subject: Re: [NMB] Question regarding CARR/Kerr > > > On 26/01/2013, at 9:53 PM, Brian Pears <[email protected]> wrote: > : > So please don't regard "Carr" as correct and "Kerr" as an error; >> in the 18th century, both were equally valid variants. "Carr" >> was simply the spelling choice of the first literate member of >> your particular branch of the family. There may be other distant >> branches of your family who made different choices. > > To illustrate: When I was younger the actress Deborah Kerr's name was > pronounced, at least among people I knew, as if it were "Carr". I might > be wrong, but I have an idea that she herself pronounced and wrote her > name as above. > > Trevor > > > .. >

On 26/01/2013, at 9:53 PM, Brian Pears <[email protected]> wrote: : So please don't regard "Carr" as correct and "Kerr" as an error; > in the 18th century, both were equally valid variants. "Carr" > was simply the spelling choice of the first literate member of > your particular branch of the family. There may be other distant > branches of your family who made different choices. To illustrate: When I was younger the actress Deborah Kerr's name was pronounced, at least among people I knew, as if it were "Carr". I might be wrong, but I have an idea that she herself pronounced and wrote her name as above. Trevor

Hi Susan Volunteers are transcribing the UK census - see www.freecen.org.uk however please note that this is still very much a work in progress and far from complete. A transcript of the 1881 census is available free on www.familysearch.org The images for the census years 1841 to 1911 are available through a range of commercial sites, all of which offer free trials from time to time. I will send you links off list to some of the major ones, other wise just google for "UK census". They all have the pros and cons - you probably need to have a look to see what other data each hold that may be particularly useful for your research. Some sites to get you started with Northumberland & Co Durham research (all have other useful links & info about getting started, particularly GENUKI): www.freebmd.org.uk www.freereg.org.uk www.genuki.org.uk communities.northumberland.gov.uk www.genuki.bpears.org.uk/Transcripts.html www.familysearch.org - with particular reference to the unindexed images of the Bishop's Transcripts for the diocese of Durham (which included most of NBL) and also the marriage licenses www.ndfhs.org.uk - see also the resources available in the e-shop www.northeastbmd.org.uk/ The spelling of many names (not just Carr and Kerr) vary considerably depending on the context and the source, so you have to look at each piece of evidence carefully and always search for variants. Don't forget that non-conformism was widespread in both NBL & DUR, so you may not be able to rely just on Church of England parish records, depending on your family. Good luck, and if you have a specific query, I am sure that someone on the list will be able to help. Ingrid On 26/01/2013, at 6:59 AM, Susan C wrote: > How can we determine the correct person, if the spelling is/was > written Kerr when it is actually CARR? I am not familiar with > accessing the census in the UK. Are the census online or through a > paid subscription? I am new to your postings and have been > following the posts the last few days.

Susan C <[email protected]> wrote: >How can we determine the correct person, if the spelling is/was >written Kerr when it is actually CARR?  Susan What do you mean "actually" CARR? You seem to be implying that there was a correct spelling of the surname and everything else was wrong. That may be true today, and indeed in the twentieth century, but in the nineteenth century and earlier, nothing could be further from the truth. Remember that, at that time, many, indeed most, people were illiterate. To them, their names were sounds. It was always other people who wrote their names. The vicar when they baptised a child or got married or buried; a solicitor when they wrote their will; a magistrate's clerk when they were charged with some misdemeanour - and each of them asked the person what their name was and wrote down their own version of that name. A poor person would only have their names recorded a very limited number of times, but it is quite possible that it was written differently each time. Nobody regarded any one spelling as "correct", they were all equally valid variants. Once literacy spread in the second half of the nineteenth century and people started reading and writing their own names, families began to settle on one spelling of their surnames and this then became their family's "correct" surname. But this process wasn't really complete until the end of the nineteenth century. Just to emphasise how little name spelling mattered in earlier times, let's look at William Shakespeare, who certainly wasn't illiterate or poor. There are six known examples of his signature and every single one is spelt differently. And when others wrote his name, things were much worse - there are literally dozens of variants, some, like Shaxper, just one-offs, and others which were common in Stratford, and others common in London. Today's accepted spelling of "Shakespeare" is a nineteenth century choice by scholars, Shakespeare himself never spelt his name this way. So please don't regard "Carr" as correct and "Kerr" as an error; in the 18th century, both were equally valid variants. "Carr" was simply the spelling choice of the first literate member of your particular branch of the family. There may be other distant branches of your family who made different choices. Brian -- Brian Pears (Joint List Admin - NORTHUMBRIA Mailing List)

hi listers /I am researching the BASS family from LEICESTERSHIRE. I am trying to trace LUCY MARIA BASS she Married GEORGE WILLIAMSON in 1908 in BILLERICAY in ESSEX. They had a son HENRY JAMES WILLIAMSON b/1908 in SOUTH WEALD ESSEX, I think for work reasons they moved up to NEWCASTLE UPON TYNE were GEORGE died in 1916 . LUCY MARIA followed in 1918. HENRY JAMES WILLIAMSON married VERONICA GALLON in TYNEMOUTH NORTHUMBERLAND in 1925. From what i can find they had two sons and so i hope that some one is researching the the family and we can exchange info. I have a extensive BASS family and would love to follow this lead. Kind Regards Sue in Western Australia /

Melvyn, at closure, the inside of the church looked a bit "worn" but most of the woodwork, pews and gallery, was still in reasonable condition . It also looked like a solidly constructed building from the outside. I have a record of some of my ancestors contributing money to pay for the cost of the building in 1826. Mike Temple. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Melvyn Hunter" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, January 25, 2013 6:38 PM Subject: Re: [NMB] Marriage in Redesdale - resources searched at Woodhorn > Yes, it is a shame. The building appears to be quite sound: perhaps the > owners of the house use it for storage; or there may be unseen structural > problems. I may go and ask the next time I am in that direction - probably > next August. > > Melvyn. >

I have an Edward CARR, b. ca 1850, Alnwick, in my tree. He is the son of Francis and Mary CARR. He married Lydia HONEY, b. 1858, Exeter. They married 1883. They are traced through census data and usual indexes. This is just a note to flag my information. This line is of peripheral interest to me as I am more interested in Lydia's maternal line and have been researching it for 30+ years. I have a couple of other CARR interests which I will look at and post if they seem to be relevant. Trevor (Melbourne) Sent from my iPad On 25/01/2013, at 8:47 PM, "J Malcouronne" <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi > > It could be my John William, his father Jonathan died in the Sept quarter > 1888 (I've sent away for the death certificate) his mother Dorothy died in

I'll wait to see what the certificates turn up. ----- Original Message ----- From: "C Bridges" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, January 25, 2013 11:28 PM Subject: Re: [NMB] CARR > Hi Joan - yes census Sunday 5th April 1891. I couldn't find Dorothy. The > certs will definitely help as they will also give a location and this > could > narrow down where John William may have been at this time. Enumerators are > notorious for alternative spelling so it is often worth experimenting > although I would have thought CARR is tricky to record inaccurately! It > appears John William had several siblings. Tracking them may also throw > up > where he is in 1891/ 1901. His wife Maria Ellen seems to have originated > from Sunderland (Deptford) It may be worth looking in this location also. > Hope this helps. > > > >

Hi It could be my John William, his father Jonathan died in the Sept quarter 1888 (I've sent away for the death certificate) his mother Dorothy died in the Sept quarter 1891 ( I am going to get the certificate) The certificates should help. Dorothy should be in the 1891 census, weren't they taken in April? Thanks for getting back to me. Cheers Joan ----- Original Message ----- From: "C Bridges" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, January 25, 2013 9:54 PM Subject: Re: [NMB] CARR > Hi Joan I have found a William Carr 1901 census b. c. 1872 Q Hill working > as a farm labourer. Possible? No luck on 1891 but I am assuming his > parents Jonathan & Dorothy are both dead by 1891 census? > > On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 11:40 PM, J Malcouronne > <[email protected]>wrote: > >>

Hello Susan No I don't think so, the other two John CARRs in my family tree are both born in Co. Durham, one in 1744 and the other 1716. Cheers Joan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan C" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, January 25, 2013 3:58 AM Subject: [NMB] John Carr Hello, This is my first post from the USA. I have a John Carr, b. Dec. 5, 1722 in Bywell, Northumberland (?). His mother was Catherine Carr, married George Troutbeck in 1712 at Bywell. Can this John be related to your John in Durham? Regards, Susan ...

Isabella's parents and at least three of her siblings are buried in the churchyard at St. Francis: both stones are still legible, though the long grass is beginning to take its toll. Melvyn. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Temple" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, January 25, 2013 10:39 AM Subject: Re: [NMB] Marriage in Redesdale - resources searched at Woodhorn Pre 1826, "The Presbyterian worship place at the back of Woolaw", this would be the original Birdhopecraig chapel, near the Sillsburnfoot, North end of Rochester village. The local Presbyterians also used a burial ground at the back of a ruined chapel at Byrness, before the building of St. Francis chapel in 1798 on that same area. Mike Temple. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Melvyn Hunter" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2013 6:09 PM Subject: Re: [NMB] Marriage in Redesdale - resources searched at Woodhorn Hi, Many thanks for your time and effort. I know both these families: my great-uncle used to stay with the Thomas Hunter you mentioned, think he was a cousin - only later did we discover that he was not related at all. James was his son. A grandson of Thomas' moved to Buckinghamshire and I knew his daughter for many years prior to her death in 2006. The Douglass' you mentioned were children of 'my'Isabella's' younger brother. I have had close contact with the descendants of another brother of Isabella: strangely, both these families have spelled the surname with ss at the end. Most of the ones buried in Horsley were baptised at Otterburn. I have also tracked the other children of Ralph and Isabella, and have the details of all bar one through to demise. So far as pre-1826 services are concerned, I came across documents at the Central Library that mentioned a Presbyterian worship place at the 'back of Woollaw', this being used as far back as the days of Padon preaching in the open. Ralph Hunter had a brother who settled in Falstone where there is a presbyterian church as well as an Anglican one. Your mention of the minister of Flastone reminded me - perhaps there is a link. Again, many thanks - lots more things to try. Melvyn. ----- Original Message ----- From: "gen listlass" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2013 10:56 AM Subject: Re: [NMB] Marriage in Redesdale - resources searched at Woodhorn Melvyn I had a look at some resources at Woodhorn yesterday for your Hunters and Douglass's. Re: the missing gravestone for Isabella HUNTER. I looked at the MI's for Holy Trinity, Horsley church transcribed by Phil Thirkell in 1989. There are two Hunter gravestones indexed but neither are for Isabella 1 Number 42 Thomas beloved husband of Anne Elisabeth HUNTER who died 19 May 1932 aged 82 years and the above Anne Elisabeth HUNTER died 7 Sept 1938 aged 86 years “At Rest” 2 Number 80 In memory of Margaret wife of James HUNTER who died at Rochester Feb 18, 1868 aged 45. James HUNTER who died Sept 30th 1899 aged 80 years. Robert their son died Oct 21, 1887 aged 22 years. Elisabeth their daughter died Jul 26, 1889 aged 26John their son who died Feb 15, 1929 aged 72 yearsEleanor Robinson HUNTER who died at Rochester 25 Sept 1937 aged 84 years I also checked for the DOUGLAS family and found only one MI : Number 33 Erected to the memory of Mary DOUGLASS who died at Sills Apr 23 1900 aged 78 years.Also Douglass DOUGLASS who died at Sills Fe 23 1901 aged 59 years.Also John DOUGLASS who died at Sills Feb 20 1904 aged 72 yearsAlso Robert DOUGLASS who died at Sills Dec 30 1912 aged 88 years You possibly already have these OR they are not your family but the place-name "Sills" seems a likely match. DOUGLASS was always spelled with a double "ss" at the end. As for the marriage of Ralph HUNTER and Isabella DOUGLASS:I checked the Crossborder marriage lists (Misc 57) from the Berwick and Kelso newspapers between 1835-1843 but found no marriage for these two reported to the newspapers. I checked the Lamberton Toll marriage between 1839-1841 but nothing. I checked Mordington between the same dates, 3 HUNTER grooms but no Ralph's. However there are more Cross Border Marriage books to check still. When I came home I looked at the 1841 census for Ralph and Isabella and they seem to be living separately He is an "ag lab" and she is a FS = female servant. It doesn't say whether they are married or unmarried but I would guess not as Isabella is down as Isabella DOUGLASS. Therefore with their first child being 8 on the 1851 census, I would have put their marriage between 1841 and 1844-ish, not 1840 unless you have other information. I looked at a baptism book for Birdhopecraig Presbyterian chapel (UR/P6/1/1/1/1) which had a few marriages in the back. Strangely they date from 1835--1903. (1835/6 were surprising for English Presbyterian marriages!) In 1835 there are two marriages at "the Carterhead"In 1836 there are 2 marriages at "Cocklaw"In 1838 there is one marriage at "Carterhead" all these marriages are performed by Geo. McFie minister In 1840 there were 2 marriages performed at "the Scotch church Birdhope Craig" by James ....?mont minister and "in the Scotch church here" by the minister of Falstone Geo. O Moffatt After that date things settle down to regular marriages, although very few, at Birdhopecraig Presb. chapel by a seemingly permanent minister. Although BHC chapel was built in 1826 according to "British Listed Buildings" webpage, it seems as though marriages were performed pre-1837 at other rural locations. The Carterhead and Cocklaw could have been farms, private houses, field chapel meetings or anywhere non-Conformist people worshiped together at that time. I've given this information about BHC at some length to show how sketchy some of the records and the marriages sometimes were. If your people were married at BHC they were not noted in this register. But absence of proof is not proof of absence! This marriage needs further investigation:-) Gen in NBL England > Although I have not come across any hard evidence, since most books I have > read for the area strongly imply no argument between denominations, the > information I have for my Hunter and Douglas families in Redesdale is that > the Douglas family were probably more religious than the Hunter family. > Perhaps the Douglas parents were not too keen on Isabella marrying an > Anglican and so Ralph and Isabella decided to nip over the border and get > married. Their middle child (my great-grandfather) trained at Otterburn > and > then moved to Galashiels to work in the tweed mills before moving further > north. He was appointed a deacon of Ladhope Free Church and later was > awarded for being a Free Kirk Sunday School teacher for 52 years in > total - > his mother's church background was obviously a strong influence in his > early > life. > > Melvyn. .. 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