I see that The Catholic Diocese is 'Newcastle & Hexham' so Haguldastensi may be a latinization of Hexham Rosemary > > So the text you're referring to is -: burial 12 Mar 1904 Aidani, Apud Ashington, Novocastrensi Et Haguldastensi ??? > This is Latin My Latin skills are rudimentary at best but my guess is -: Aidani = St Aiden's; Apud = at or near; Novocastrensi = Newcastle; et = and; Haguldastensi - I don't know but would guess it's another place. I think that it means that Emma was buried in the churchyard at St Aiden's, Ashington.

So the text you're referring to is -: burial 12 Mar 1904 Aidani, Apud Ashington, Novocastrensi Et Haguldastensi ??? This is Latin My Latin skills are rudimentary at best but my guess is -: Aidani = St Aiden's; Apud = at or near; Novocastrensi = Newcastle; et = and; Haguldastensi - I don't know but would guess it's another place. I think that it means that Emma was buried in the churchyard at St Aiden's, Ashington. In my small experience, Catholic registers of this time & area are invariably in Latin & helpfully specify where the person whose funeral was conducted was buried. I think it would be surprising if CofE or Wesleyan registers were in Latin at this period. Rosemary Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2013 15:38:21 +1100 Subject: RE: [NMB] Emma Newman From: [email protected] To: [email protected] I know Morpeth is real. I have been there. It is all the names before and after the word Ashington that i am wondering about. If it is a Catholic burial then she is not my girl. As the Newmans were a mixed denomination. And were more likely to have used the church of England Or the Morpeth Methodist Circuit. These denominations are used for the Baptisms of all four children i have found so far and burials for Gladys and Lena. Thanks for your input most appreciated Kitty

Hi Kitty Morpeth is indeed real & is, in fact, the county town of Northumberland. Or was when I was a little girl! Who knows what reorganisation may have changed. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morpeth,_Northumberland In passing, you may be interested to know that there is also a Morpeth in the Hunter Valley in NSW. There are a lot of Northumbrian names there - most notably perhaps, Newcastle. Associations with coal mining no doubt. > NEWMAN Emma 1 Morpeth 10b 291 > She may not of had her birth registered. > It is the place name on the Family.org that has me confused. > Is the place real or another concoction of the Church of Latter Day Saints > > > Below is from familysearch.org > Emma Newman > England Deaths and Burials, 1538-1991 birth 1903 > residence 1904 Hirst > death 09 Mar 1904 > burial 12 Mar 1904 Aidani, Apud Ashington, Novocastrensi Et Haguldastensi > This reads like a Catholic register to me. A quick check gives St Aiden's as the name of the Catholic parish at Ashington. You would no doubt be able to borrow the film of the whole register at a LDS centre if you can get to one. If this seems a likely match for you, then you have a good chance of getting a good deal of family info from the registers. Hope this helps. Rosemary AckroydMelbourne

I am still trying to find the 3rd Child who died in my Newman Family. I have looked extensively on Free BMD and Family search. The St Catherine house records only go to 1900 here in Tasmania. I spent a couple of hours going through from March quarter of 1895 to December of 1900. And found no child that could match with a birth and Death other than Births of Alice May 1897 Frederick Ernest 1899 These two are from Free BMD. Lena Beatrice 1901 Gladys Nelson 1903 4 of the Newman children two of whom survived and two who died. Herbert, Doris Isaac. Dorothy and Lewis are accounted for. They either belong to other Newman Family members. With Doris Irene belonging to a Matthew Newman This leaves only Emma who has a death record (Information Below) And no Birth record. The Record from Free BMD is okay and very self explanatory. NEWMAN Emma 1 Morpeth 10b 291 She may not of had her birth registered. It is the place name on the Family.org that has me confused. Is the place real or another concoction of the Church of Latter Day Saints Below is from familysearch.org Emma Newman England Deaths and Burials, 1538-1991 birth 1903 residence 1904 Hirst death 09 Mar 1904 burial 12 Mar 1904 Aidani, Apud Ashington, Novocastrensi Et Haguldastensi Any help would be appreciated as I do not want to send for another certificate and the person on the certificate not being my Family. And idea there any other site that I can search for BMD records for the time period of 1895 to 1911. I have access to ancestry. Thanks to all who can help. Kitty Cambridge Tasmania

I don't think this adds much, but the RC diocese which includes Newcastle is officially known as Hexham and Newcastle, so I'm guessing that the Latin represents that title When the RC hierarchy was reinstated in the 1850 there was an agreement that no RC bishop would have the same title as an Anglican bishop, so as there was already a bishop of Newcastle, the RC diocese was titled Hexham and Newcastle. Makes it almost certain that the burial referred to would be RC M E G -----Original Message----- From: Rosemary Ackroyd Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2013 5:21 AM To: [email protected] ; Northumberland Mailing List Subject: Re: [NMB] Emma Newman So the text you're referring to is -: burial 12 Mar 1904 Aidani, Apud Ashington, Novocastrensi Et Haguldastensi ??? This is Latin My Latin skills are rudimentary at best but my guess is -: Aidani = St Aiden's; Apud = at or near; Novocastrensi = Newcastle; et = and; Haguldastensi - I don't know but would guess it's another place. I think that it means that Emma was buried in the churchyard at St Aiden's, Ashington.

Kitty Please don't eliminate someone because you don't expect your family to be catholic - strange things happen, and you just never know. Get the church record for this entry - it will probably give much more information that a comparable Church of England record - and see who the parents were. The whole thing will be in latin, so you may have to come back to the list for translations. Heather Emma Newman England Deaths and Burials, 1538-1991 birth 1903 residence 1904 Hirst death 09 Mar 1904 burial 12 Mar 1904 Aidani, Apud Ashington, Novocastrensi Et Haguldastensi On 02/02/2013 11:42 PM, Kitty Cusick wrote: > Thank you to Rosemary for her help. > Emma has to be dicounted as it would have been a Catholic Burial > And my family were not Catholics > Thanks very much Rosemary. > Kitty > Tasmania >

Thank you to all who replied to my posting regarding the Wellesley Training Ship on the River Tyne.     Thank you   Carol

Sunderland Social Services were the custodians of records of the Wellesley training ship and the Wellesley community Home which was at Links Road, Blyth in 2001. The school closed in 2006. There is a website www.tswellesley.com with contact details and a facebookpage under The Wellesley Nautical School Mildred Robson

Geoff, Presumably, then, the Wellesley Training Ship, preceded the Wellesdely Nautical Training School, Links Road, Blyth In the fifties, when I visited Blyth most school holidays, every Sunday, the Drum and bugle band would march, with the other inmates to the parish church. At that time, it was certainly land-locked, and was, what was called then, a Borstall! David Scott.. -----Original Message----- From: Geoff Nicholson - Email Address: [email protected] Sent On: 02/02/2013 10:46 Sent To: [email protected], [email protected] - Email Address: [email protected], [email protected] Subject: Re: [NMB] Wellesley Training Ship Carol: The Wellesley was anchored in the Tyne, off land which became part of Tyne and Wear. It might therefore seem that Tyne and Wear Archives is the more likely place to look. However, as it was between Co Durham and Northumberland at the time, then perhaps those two sets of County Archives might be relevant. All have on-line catalogues which are well worth a look. I'm not certain which organisation it was, precisely, which ran the Training Ship, but if it was a national one, or in some way under government control, then the National Archives (Kew) might also be the place to look - again, initially via their on-line catalogue. I have always tended, as it seems you have, to think of the Wellesley as being "off" N Shields and therefore within the general sphere of Northumberland. However, recent investigations I have made into baptism records from South Shields have revealed that there were occasions in the 1890s when "groups" of around six boys from the Wellesley were baptised together at both South Shields St Jude and at Harton St Peter. The St Jude register only gives their names and their addresses as "Wellesley Training Ship" but St Peter's gives their parents' names and father's occupations, as well as the address "Wellesley Training Ship", so there were "links", at least, with South Shields. I assume the boys had been asked whether they had been baptised when babies and if they couldn't definitely say "Yes" then they had been classed as "in need" of baptism. However, it does also occur to me that perhaps those taken to South Shields were those whose parents lived on the south side of! the river and were therefore easily able to attend, if they wanted to. In that case, perhaps there are similar "batch baptisms" somewhere on the north side also. I also wonder about godparents. Had they been supplied by the parents or did Wellesley Crew members fill the parts? Perhaps it was a bit of each. Geoff Nicholson -----Original Message----- From: CAROL <[email protected]> To: northumbria <[email protected]> Sent: Fri, 1 Feb 2013 20:40 Subject: [NMB] Wellesley Training Ship Hello List I am looking for information regarding the crew who served on the Wellesley Training Ship in the river time. I am trying to trace an F Stone seamanship instructor on the Wellesley before the 1st World War. Would Woodhorn Archives have this information? Thank you Carol .. Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any reply...... Thank you! The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message .. Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any reply...... Thank you! The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1430 / Virus Database: 2639/5575 - Release Date: 02/01/13

David: In brief, you are right - but see Mildred's message on this topic. Geoff Nicholson -----Original Message----- From: David Scott <[email protected]> To: Geoff Nicholson <[email protected]> Sent: Sat, 2 Feb 2013 11:27 Subject: Re: [NMB] Wellesley Training Ship Geoff, Presumably, then, the Wellesley Training Ship, preceded the Wellesdely Nautical Training School, Links Road, BlythIn the fifties, when I visited Blyth most school holidays, every Sunday, the Drum and bugle band would march, with the other inmates to the parish church.At that time, it was certainly land-locked, and was, what was called then, a Borstall! David Scott..

Carol: The Wellesley was anchored in the Tyne, off land which became part of Tyne and Wear. It might therefore seem that Tyne and Wear Archives is the more likely place to look. However, as it was between Co Durham and Northumberland at the time, then perhaps those two sets of County Archives might be relevant. All have on-line catalogues which are well worth a look. I'm not certain which organisation it was, precisely, which ran the Training Ship, but if it was a national one, or in some way under government control, then the National Archives (Kew) might also be the place to look - again, initially via their on-line catalogue. I have always tended, as it seems you have, to think of the Wellesley as being "off" N Shields and therefore within the general sphere of Northumberland. However, recent investigations I have made into baptism records from South Shields have revealed that there were occasions in the 1890s when "groups" of around six boys from the Wellesley were baptised together at both South Shields St Jude and at Harton St Peter. The St Jude register only gives their names and their addresses as "Wellesley Training Ship" but St Peter's gives their parents' names and father's occupations, as well as the address "Wellesley Training Ship", so there were "links", at least, with South Shields. I assume the boys had been asked whether they had been baptised when babies and if they couldn't definitely say "Yes" then they had been classed as "in need" of baptism. However, it does also occur to me that perhaps those taken to South Shields were those whose parents lived on the south side of the river and were therefore easily able to attend, if they wanted to. In that case, perhaps there are similar "batch baptisms" somewhere on the north side also. I also wonder about godparents. Had they been supplied by the parents or did Wellesley Crew members fill the parts? Perhaps it was a bit of each. Geoff Nicholson -----Original Message----- From: CAROL <[email protected]> To: northumbria <[email protected]> Sent: Fri, 1 Feb 2013 20:40 Subject: [NMB] Wellesley Training Ship Hello List I am looking for information regarding the crew who served on the Wellesley Training Ship in the river time. I am trying to trace an F Stone seamanship instructor on the Wellesley before the 1st World War. Would Woodhorn Archives have this information? Thank you Carol .. Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any reply...... Thank you! The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello List   I am looking for information regarding the crew who served on the Wellesley Training Ship in the river time.   I am trying to trace an F Stone seamanship instructor on the Wellesley before the 1st World War.   Would Woodhorn Archives have this information?     Thank you Carol

Hello Doreen, Samuel is retired. Lily is a French polisher. Amy is a Rag sorter. Margaret looks something like General Broker (= general storekeeper?). Regards Graham On 1/02/2013 3:47 p.m., Doreen Welch wrote: I really hope that we cover Leeds in Yorkshire on this list. If we do cover Leeds, could sks perhaps help me out here, I am stuck on the occupations of the family in this census..... I can't figure them out.......Any help would be appreciated. Thanks. 1901 Census - following record: Samuel BUCKROYD Head 62 ? Yorkshire, Leeds Margaret BUCKROYD Wife 50 General Shop Own Acct. Yorks hire, Leeds Lily BUCKROYD Daughter 19 Finish ? Worker York shire, Leeds Amy BUCKROYD Daughter 16 ? Worker Yorkshire, L eeds Living at 312 Meanwood Road, Leeds. ED:46 Household schedule number: 75 Piece: 4234 Folio: 87 Page Number: 10(Ancestry)

To add to my earlier post, I suspect the lamp standards went after Alderman were axed in 1974, the position of Mayor until then having been elected from the Councillors and Alderman - and very often (almost always?) went to an Alderman. "Lord Mayors are now chosen from the body of Councillors and appointed at the Annual Meeting of the full Council. In Newcastle it is customary for the most senior Councillor of the ruling political group, who has not already served as Lord Mayor, to be offered the position" says the council's website. Chris -----Original Message----- From: Chris Morgan Sent: Friday, February 01, 2013 2:25 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [NMB] Newcastle - Mansion House and Lord Mayors residences In the 1960's it was still the practice for two ornate lamp standards to be be installed outside the house of the current Lord Mayor. They were outside No 1 Newlands Avenue for a year, but I can't recall exactly when. I suspect the practice stopped quite a long time ago. It originally required connections to the gas main, and later to the electricity main running down the road, so quite an expensive exercise for only a year. An economy measure during a previous round of budget cuts, no doubt. The lamp standards may have ended as scrap, or possibly stand in a former Lord Mayor's garden? Chris Morgan

In the 1960's it was still the practice for two ornate lamp standards to be be installed outside the house of the current Lord Mayor. They were outside No 1 Newlands Avenue for a year, but I can't recall exactly when. I suspect the practice stopped quite a long time ago. It originally required connections to the gas main, and later to the electricity main running down the road, so quite an expensive exercise for only a year. An economy measure during a previous round of budget cuts, no doubt. The lamp standards may have ended as scrap, or possibly stand in a former Lord Mayor's garden? Chris Morgan -----Original Message----- From: gen listlass Sent: Friday, February 01, 2013 2:09 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [NMB] Newcastle - Mansion House and Lord Mayors residences I am attending a function at Mansion House in Newcastle next week and I am looking forward to seeing inside this historic Jesmond house. I've looked at it on the internet and found it is the official residence of the Lord Mayors of Newcastle. This jogged my memory of two very ornate gas lamps which were cemented into the pavement outside of a house in Nuns Moor Road, Fenham, Newcastle in the 1950's or 60's. My father told me that was where the Lord Mayor lived. Can anyone expand on this, possibly telling me where the lamp-posts are now and whether they were indeed outside of the Lord Mayors house at that time? Gen in NBL England ..

I am attending a function at Mansion House in Newcastle next week and I am looking forward to seeing inside this historic Jesmond house. I've looked at it on the internet and found it is the official residence of the Lord Mayors of Newcastle. This jogged my memory of two very ornate gas lamps which were cemented into the pavement outside of a house in Nuns Moor Road, Fenham, Newcastle in the 1950's or 60's. My father told me that was where the Lord Mayor lived. Can anyone expand on this, possibly telling me where the lamp-posts are now and whether they were indeed outside of the Lord Mayors house at that time? Gen in NBL England

Hello all, Can someone direct me to a source of information regarding the "Black Bull Hotel" in Wooler? I am not sure if the establishment is the same "Black Bull Inn" during the 1760's.  It was owned by my ggg grandfather  George Aynsley and his brother Henry Aynsley (or Ainslie). Thanks for your help, Susan 

I really hope that we cover Leeds in Yorkshire on this list.  If we do cover Leeds, could sks perhaps help me out here, I am stuck on the occupations of the family in this census..... I can't figure them out.......Any help would be appreciated.  Thanks. 1901 Census - following record:  Samuel BUCKROYD    Head         62    ?                Yorkshire, Leeds      Margaret BUCKROYD    Wife         50    General Shop    Own Acct.        Yorkshire, Leeds  Lily BUCKROYD        Daughter         19    Finish ?        Worker        Yorkshire, Leeds  Amy BUCKROYD        Daughter         16    ?        Worker        Yorkshire, Leeds Living at 312 Meanwood Road, Leeds.  ED:46      Household schedule number:     75 Piece:     4234      Folio:     87      Page Number:     10(Ancestry)     I hope I have included all that is needed for some HELP!!!! Doreen

I have noted from census records that the name Golightly seems to be reasonably common in Co Durham. Mike Temple. ----- Original Message ----- From: "JOHN GOSLING" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2013 2:44 PM Subject: [NMB] Lookup request: Golightly, Wallsend, Howden, circa 1821-1841 Hi All, Has anyone come across the Golightly family at all? I have a John Golightly, born 1798 in Byker Bar, married to an Ann Douglas, born 1802. They were married 12/04/1823 at All Saints - you can find the Bishops Transcriprs record on Familysearch.org site, 1823-1830, image 33 of 713. It looks like, going by census records, that they were then resident Wallsend, and or Howden (it's all a bit unclear though I believe the two were adjacent.) Daughter Elizabeth, born 1824 according to census in Walls End is one example of their supposed presence there. But I can't see the name Golightly appear at all in the Bishops Transcripts for Wallsend. I have had one example in my tree of people jumping ship from CofE to Wesleyan, but I've not evidence this happened here. Can anyone point me at other likely places to track down baptism records? Regards John .. Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any reply...... Thank you! The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

"Almost all early records of this congregation have either been lost or destroyed" --- There are baptism records from 1728 to 1926 available, and marriages from 1835 to 1903 ( NRO 2184/2, NRO 3379,UR/P6). It's correct that records before 1728 are missing, mores' the pity. Mike Temple. ----- Original Message ----- From: "gen listlass" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2013 11:24 AM Subject: [NMB] More about marriages at Birdhopecraig - original sourcematerial > Looking though church history pamphlets at Woodhorn yesterday for > somewhere completely different, I found one about Birdhopecraig > Presbyterian chapel. > It is called "Sketch of the history of Birdhopecraig Congregation by Rev. > T Newlands" He was their minister for 56 years and it is dated 1896. > The first paragraph starts:Almost all early records of this congregation > have either been lost or destroyed, so it has been difficult to collect > the materials for this sketch" > The last paragraph ends: MarriagesThe church was not registered for > marriages till 1839, but marrying and giving in marriage went on all the > same. They just stepped over the Carter into Scotland, and taking their > minister with them, were married there. Five such marriages are registered > by the Rev. Mr McFie in the end of the Book of Baptisms, four at Carter > Head and one at Cocklaw at the back of Cheviot" > These are the five marriages I mentioned in a previous email and reveal > the location of Cocklaw. It also explains why marriages might be missing, > "lost or destroyed" was his phrase. > > Gen in NBL England > > > > > .. > Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any > reply...... Thank you! > > The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at > http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message