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    1. [NMB] FW: Emma Newman
    2. gen listlass
    3. Hello Kitty There were 5 Newman children buried at Holy Sepulchre Ashington between 1887-1942. The relevant (by date) ones are:1893 Charles Walter 18 months 5th Row, Ashington1897 Mary Ann 4 days Ashington1902 Lena Beatrice 6 months 41 Chestnut Row, Ashington1904 Gladys Nelson 20 months ditto1909 Doris Irene 3 months Market Place, Ashington You have already discounted 3, 4 and 5. Do you have the baptisms or birth certificates of Charles Walter and Mary Ann? There were only two NEWMAN children baptised at Holy Sepulchre between 1887-1912, both children of Matthew Routledge and Charlotte NEWMAN:Doris Irene baptised 1908 - born and died between 1901-1911Matthew Routledge baptised 1912.. You mentioned Bothal church, were all these other children baptised there? Or privately at home because of their health/ age? I don't have transcripts for Bothal church so cannot check there. Something I DID notice - Benjamin NEWMAN b 1880 who was at High Market Place Ashington in 1911 and father of the two baptised at Holy Sepulchre (C of E) was later buried at St Aidans RC church in Ashington! Have you also considered:the missing child was possibly still-born/premature and no record or its birth or death?the child was born to these parents before they were married and passed off as her parents child or a siblings child for its short life? I did check NELSON baptisms at Holy Sepulchre but none "jumped out". Bothal would need to be checked also and surrounding parishes I'm inclined to think the answer, if there is one, lies at Bothal Church as that was Hannah Isabel's parish of birth and where she was living in 1891. The reason I have been interested in your query is that I have an identical problem in my own family - m g grandmother said she'd had 5 children on the 1911 census and one was dead . I've never been able to find a child who would "fit" as the family moved around Newcastle every year it seems! At least your family stayed put - or did they? Miners did move around quite a bit and you cannot always tell by the census. Gen in NBL England > Alice may Newman was born in the June qtr ie 11 > May 1897. > Alice was my Nan. > I have cross referenced all the children born between 1895. For Births then > Deaths. > I believe Mary ann belonged to one of Frederick snr Siblings. > I also have baptisms as well for most of the Children who died. > I got copies of these from Woodhorn in 2007.. > I also have birth and death certs for Alice,Fred, lena and Gladys Nelson > Newman. > I will recheck again yes it is the 1911 census that says they had 5 > children born living.. I eveb have a copy of Doris Irene birth Cert. She > belongs to Matthew Newman. > Thanks for your reply. > Kitty

    02/07/2013 12:35:46
    1. Re: [NMB] Emma Newman
    2. Kitty Cusick
    3. Alice may Newman was born in the June qtr ie 11 May 1897. Alice was my Nan. I have cross referenced all the children born between 1895. For Births then Deaths. I believe Mary ann belonged to one of Frederick snr Siblings. I also have baptisms as well for most of the Children who died. I got copies of these from Woodhorn in 2007.. I also have birth and death certs for Alice,Fred, lena and Gladys Nelson Newman. I will recheck again yes it is the 1911 census that says they had 5 children born living.. I eveb have a copy of Doris Irene birth Cert. She belongs to Matthew Newman. Thanks for your reply. Kitty On Feb 7, 2013 5:50 AM, "gen listlass" <[email protected]> wrote: > Hello Kitty > Have you checked out Mary Ann NEWMAN Births Mar Q 1897 Newman Mary Ann > Morpeth 10b 429 Deaths Mar Q 1897 Newman > Mary Ann 0 Morpeth 10b 253 > The parents Frederick Ernest and Hannah Isabel were married Marriages Mar > Q 1895 Nelson Hannah Isabel Morpeth 10b > 480 Newman Frederick Ernest Morpeth > 10b 480 > All info above from FreeBMD > >From the Holy Sepulchre, Ashington burials:30 Mar 1897 Mary Ann > NEWMAN Ashington 4 days old > Marriage 1895BirthsMary Ann 1897Alice 1898Fred 1900Lena 1901Gladys 1903 > The spacing of the events makes sense for Hannah Isabel to state in 1911 > that she'd had 5 children, 3 of whom had died. > Gen in NBL England > > > From: [email protected] > > To: [email protected]; [email protected] > > Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2013 08:26:42 +1100 > > Subject: Re: [NMB] Emma Newman > > > > > > Hi Kitty There looks to be one in Hobart & one in Kingston. Rosemary > > > Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2013 13:17:57 +1100 > > > From: [email protected] > > > To: [email protected] > > > Subject: Re: [NMB] Emma Newman > > > > > > I don't think they have one here in the south of Tasmania anymore. > > > I will check and see though > > > Thanks again for all your help > > > On Feb 5, 2013 12:44 PM, "Heather A Punshon" <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > > > Kitty > > > > As well as Geoff's suggestion, you could also go to your local LDS > > > > family history room and ask them to order the film for Ashington St > > > > Aiden's for the appropriate dates. It costs about $5 here. That way > you > > > > can look through the nearby years for baptisms, marriages, burials of > > > > any other NEWMANs. > > > > .. > > Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any > reply...... Thank you! > > > > The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at > http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > .. > Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any > reply...... Thank you! > > The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at > http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

    02/07/2013 12:04:04
    1. Re: [NMB] Emma Newman
    2. gen listlass
    3. Hello Kitty Have you checked out Mary Ann NEWMAN Births Mar Q 1897 Newman Mary Ann Morpeth 10b 429 Deaths Mar Q 1897 Newman Mary Ann 0 Morpeth 10b 253 The parents Frederick Ernest and Hannah Isabel were married Marriages Mar Q 1895 Nelson Hannah Isabel Morpeth 10b 480 Newman Frederick Ernest Morpeth 10b 480 All info above from FreeBMD >From the Holy Sepulchre, Ashington burials:30 Mar 1897 Mary Ann NEWMAN Ashington 4 days old Marriage 1895BirthsMary Ann 1897Alice 1898Fred 1900Lena 1901Gladys 1903 The spacing of the events makes sense for Hannah Isabel to state in 1911 that she'd had 5 children, 3 of whom had died. Gen in NBL England > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected]; [email protected] > Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2013 08:26:42 +1100 > Subject: Re: [NMB] Emma Newman > > > Hi Kitty There looks to be one in Hobart & one in Kingston. Rosemary > > Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2013 13:17:57 +1100 > > From: [email protected] > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: [NMB] Emma Newman > > > > I don't think they have one here in the south of Tasmania anymore. > > I will check and see though > > Thanks again for all your help > > On Feb 5, 2013 12:44 PM, "Heather A Punshon" <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Kitty > > > As well as Geoff's suggestion, you could also go to your local LDS > > > family history room and ask them to order the film for Ashington St > > > Aiden's for the appropriate dates. It costs about $5 here. That way you > > > can look through the nearby years for baptisms, marriages, burials of > > > any other NEWMANs. > > .. > Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any reply...... Thank you! > > The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

    02/06/2013 11:38:44
    1. Re: [NMB] Emma Newman
    2. Rosemary Ackroyd
    3. Hi Kitty There looks to be one in Hobart & one in Kingston. Rosemary > Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2013 13:17:57 +1100 > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [NMB] Emma Newman > > I don't think they have one here in the south of Tasmania anymore. > I will check and see though > Thanks again for all your help > On Feb 5, 2013 12:44 PM, "Heather A Punshon" <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Kitty > > As well as Geoff's suggestion, you could also go to your local LDS > > family history room and ask them to order the film for Ashington St > > Aiden's for the appropriate dates. It costs about $5 here. That way you > > can look through the nearby years for baptisms, marriages, burials of > > any other NEWMANs.

    02/06/2013 01:26:42
    1. Re: [NMB] Emma Newman
    2. Kitty Cusick
    3. I don't think they have one here in the south of Tasmania anymore. I will check and see though Thanks again for all your help On Feb 5, 2013 12:44 PM, "Heather A Punshon" <[email protected]> wrote: > Kitty > As well as Geoff's suggestion, you could also go to your local LDS > family history room and ask them to order the film for Ashington St > Aiden's for the appropriate dates. It costs about $5 here. That way you > can look through the nearby years for baptisms, marriages, burials of > any other NEWMANs. > > They are usually very helpful > > Heather > > I assume the register will be in Tyne and Wear Archives, and you should > write to them at: Tyne and Wear Archives, Blandford House, Blandford > Square, Newcastle upon Tyne, NE1 ---. There will be a small (very small) > charge for a photocopy. > Geoff Nicholson .. > > .. > Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any > reply...... Thank you! > > The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at > http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

    02/05/2013 06:17:57
    1. Re: [NMB] Emma Newman
    2. Kitty Cusick
    3. Thank you Geoff for your reply. And to all who have helped me. I still think it is unlikely to be her if it is a Catholic Burial. Any Child of this Family would have been buried at Holy Sepulchre Ashington. As they lived at 41 Chestnut St Ashington. Gladys Nelson and Lena Beatrice were buried there along with most of the Newman Family. Except for a couple of the siblings at Bothal. I will send of a query about the burial so I have the information if it is indeed her. Thanks to all Kitty Tasmania I assume the register will be in Tyne and Wear Archives, and you should write to them at: Tyne and Wear Archives, Blandford House, Blandford Square, Newcastle upon Tyne, NE1 ---. There will be a small (very small) charge for a photocopy. Geoff Nicholson

    02/05/2013 04:01:25
    1. Re: [NMB] Academy Hill, South Shields,
    2. J Malcouronne
    3. Hi Anne-Marie and Charles I have been following your emails with interest, as I have Harrisons and Bainbridges in my family tree, but unfortunately no connection, or is there. I suppose if one goes back far enough there might be. My Bainbridges (1800's) came from Middleton In Teesdale, Durham, with Rumney family connections. The Harrisons are a little bit more difficult to trace, Dorothy Harrison (1827) married into the Carr family, her father Ralph (1801) came from Washington, Durham. Cheers Joan ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2013 6:38 AM Subject: Re: [NMB] Academy Hill, South Shields, > Hi Charles, > > Only starting my husbands tree and so far not found an Esther Bainbridge > but > will keep your contact details. Bainbridge was and is a very popular name > in > and around the north east. > > Cheers, Anne-Marie for a very sunny hot New Zealand > >> Hello Anne-Marie - the name BAINBRIDGE rings a bell in my family tree and >> I >> wonder if there might be a connection to my HARRISON line. >> >>

    02/05/2013 01:59:14
    1. Re: [NMB] Academy Hill, South Shields,
    2. Hi Charles, Only starting my husbands tree and so far not found an Esther Bainbridge but will keep your contact details. Bainbridge was and is a very popular name in and around the north east. Cheers, Anne-Marie for a very sunny hot New Zealand > Hello Anne-Marie - the name BAINBRIDGE rings a bell in my family tree and I > wonder if there might be a connection to my HARRISON line. > > John HARRISON married Esther BAINBRIDGE on 24 February 1800 in Gateshead. > I believe her parents were Robert BAINBRIDGE and Mary TATE who married in > Gateshead on 21 Feb 1773 and Elizabeth was baptized on 28 Feb 1779. > > An interesting fact is that the HARRISON descendents maintained the middle > name of BAINBRIDGE for the next 92 years (3 generations) which suggests > that they were very proud to have the connection. Thomas Bainbridge > HARRISON was born in Q4 1881 NewcastleT 10b/90) and Frances Bainbridge > HARRISON was born in Newcastle Q1 1892 10b/110. > > If you believe there might be a connection, I would be happy to exchange > family tree details with you. > > Charles Atkinson, Niagara Falls, Canada. > > > > .. > Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post > any reply...... Thank you! > > The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at > http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

    02/04/2013 11:38:56
    1. Re: [NMB] Academy Hill, South Shields,
    2. Hi Geoff, Thank you for your interest, indeed I was thinking of Westoe Village as it is today. When I visit South Shields later this year I will view it with new eyes and thank you for the history of how South Shields came in to being and yes, I too like that medieval quote. Cheers, Anne-Marie Quoting Geoff Nicholson <[email protected]>: > Anne-Marie, > > I understand that you don't think that the streets you have > mentioned, all of which were close to the riverside and swept away in > 1930s slum clearances, were anywhere near Westoe. I suspect that is > because to you, Westoe means what is more correctly Westoe Village, > about a mile away. However, Westoe is an older name for the district > than is South Shields and the original South Shields were just that - > fishermen's cottages, perhaps only occupied seasonally, beside the > river, and called that to distinguish them from the North Shields on > the Tynemouth side. When the land was divided into Townships, that > of South Shields was just that very narrow, but highly-populated, > strip alongside the river, while the majority of what is now South > Shields became the Township of Westoe, a more rural, agricultural, > place until South Shields expanded and swamped it. The centre of > Westoe was what is now Westoe village, originally a collection of > farms, about a mile south of the Tyne. > > This might be a suitable occasion to remind you of the mediaeval > letter of protest sent by Newcastle Corporation to the King, > complaining that their rights over the trade on the Tyne were being > usurped by the Prior of Tynemouth, who had established a port of his > own at North Shields. Near the end of the letter, as almost a > throw-away line, they say "..... and the Prior of Durham has > established a town at South Shields, where no town ought to be". I > just love quoting those last eight words to South Shields people! > > Geoff Nicholson > > >

    02/04/2013 10:50:49
    1. Re: [NMB] Emma Newman
    2. Heather A Punshon
    3. Kitty As well as Geoff's suggestion, you could also go to your local LDS family history room and ask them to order the film for Ashington St Aiden's for the appropriate dates. It costs about $5 here. That way you can look through the nearby years for baptisms, marriages, burials of any other NEWMANs. They are usually very helpful Heather I assume the register will be in Tyne and Wear Archives, and you should write to them at: Tyne and Wear Archives, Blandford House, Blandford Square, Newcastle upon Tyne, NE1 ---. There will be a small (very small) charge for a photocopy. Geoff Nicholson ..

    02/04/2013 12:42:38
    1. [NMB] Academy Hill, South Shields,
    2. Researching my husbands Bainbridge tree and came across his great ancestors living at 10 Academy Hill on the 1851 census, any idea where this street would have been? 1861 they were at Thames Street, Westoe and that too seems to have gone. Any ideas as to location? Cheers, Anne-Marie

    02/04/2013 11:39:37
    1. Re: [NMB] Emma Newman
    2. Geoff Nicholson
    3. Kitty: I assume the register will be in Tyne and Wear Archives, and you should write to them at: Tyne and Wear Archives, Blandford House, Blandford Square, Newcastle upon Tyne, NE1 ---. There will be a small (very small) charge for a photocopy. Geoff Nicholson -----Original Message----- From: Kitty Cusick <[email protected]> To: northumbria <[email protected]> Sent: Mon, 4 Feb 2013 17:21 Subject: Re: [NMB] Emma Newman How do I get the church record I am in Tasmania a long way to come for 1 record. Thanks very much for your reply. Kittu On Feb 4, 2013 1:41 AM, "Heather Punshon" <[email protected]> wrote: > Kitty > Please don't eliminate someone because you don't expect your family to > be catholic - strange things happen, and you just never know. Get the > church record for this entry - it will probably give much more > information that a comparable Church of England record - and see who the > parents were. The whole thing will be in latin, so you may have to come > back to the list for translations. > Heather > > Emma Newman > England Deaths and Burials, 1538-1991 birth 1903 > residence 1904 Hirst > death 09 Mar 1904 > burial 12 Mar 1904 Aidani, Apud Ashington, Novocastrensi Et > Haguldastensi > > > On 02/02/2013 11:42 PM, Kitty Cusick wrote: > > Thank you to Rosemary for her help. > > Emma has to be dicounted as it would have been a Catholic Burial > > And my family were not Catholics > > Thanks very much Rosemary. > > Kitty > > Tasmania > > > > .. > Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any > reply...... Thank you! > > The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at > http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > .. Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any reply...... Thank you! The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

    02/04/2013 06:04:44
    1. [NMB] FW: Academy Hill, South Shields - repost with shorter URLs
    2. Russ Hogg
    3. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Russ Hogg Sent: 04 February 2013 08:37 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [NMB] Academy Hill, South Shields, Anne-Marie, Here are some references to Academy Hill. However, Windmill Hill and East Holborn wouldn't normally occur to me as being in Westoe. You might need to examine the areas covered by the enumeration districts in the relevant census. http://tinyurl.com/cmaq7o6 http://tinyurl.com/chfqbl5 http://tinyurl.com/cepypbj Regards, Russ -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: 04 February 2013 05:40 To: [email protected] Subject: [NMB] Academy Hill, South Shields, .. Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any reply...... Thank you! The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

    02/04/2013 02:53:40
    1. Re: [NMB] Academy Hill, South Shields,
    2. Charles Atkinson
    3. Hello Anne-Marie - the name BAINBRIDGE rings a bell in my family tree and I wonder if there might be a connection to my HARRISON line. John HARRISON married Esther BAINBRIDGE on 24 February 1800 in Gateshead. I believe her parents were Robert BAINBRIDGE and Mary TATE who married in Gateshead on 21 Feb 1773 and Elizabeth was baptized on 28 Feb 1779. An interesting fact is that the HARRISON descendents maintained the middle name of BAINBRIDGE for the next 92 years (3 generations) which suggests that they were very proud to have the connection. Thomas Bainbridge HARRISON was born in Q4 1881 NewcastleT 10b/90) and Frances Bainbridge HARRISON was born in Newcastle Q1 1892 10b/110. If you believe there might be a connection, I would be happy to exchange family tree details with you. Charles Atkinson, Niagara Falls, Canada. At 06:39 PM 04/02/2013 +1300, you wrote: >Researching my husbands Bainbridge tree and came across his great ancestors >living at 10 Academy Hill on the 1851 census, any idea where this street would >have been? 1861 they were at Thames Street, Westoe and that too seems to have >gone. Any ideas as to location? >Cheers, Anne-Marie

    02/04/2013 02:32:49
    1. Re: [NMB] Emma Newman
    2. Kitty Cusick
    3. M E G Thank you for the extra information. Much appteciated Kitty Tasmania On Feb 3, 2013 9:07 PM, "Margaret Garthwaite" <[email protected]> wrote: > I don't think this adds much, but the RC diocese which includes Newcastle > is > officially known as Hexham and Newcastle, so I'm guessing that the Latin > represents that title > > When the RC hierarchy was reinstated in the 1850 there was an agreement > that > no RC bishop would have the same title as an Anglican bishop, so as there > was already a bishop of Newcastle, the RC diocese was titled Hexham and > Newcastle. > > Makes it almost certain that the burial referred to would be RC > > M E G > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rosemary Ackroyd > Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2013 5:21 AM > To: [email protected] ; Northumberland Mailing List > Subject: Re: [NMB] Emma Newman > > > So the text you're referring to is -: burial 12 Mar 1904 Aidani, Apud > Ashington, Novocastrensi Et Haguldastensi ??? > This is Latin My Latin skills are rudimentary at best but my guess is -: > Aidani = St Aiden's; Apud = at or near; Novocastrensi = Newcastle; et = > and; Haguldastensi - I don't know but would guess it's another place. I > think that it means that Emma was buried in the churchyard at St Aiden's, > Ashington. > > .. > Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any > reply...... Thank you! > > The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at > http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

    02/04/2013 02:08:39
    1. Re: [NMB] Emma Newman
    2. Kitty Cusick
    3. How do I get the church record I am in Tasmania a long way to come for 1 record. Thanks very much for your reply. Kittu On Feb 4, 2013 1:41 AM, "Heather Punshon" <[email protected]> wrote: > Kitty > Please don't eliminate someone because you don't expect your family to > be catholic - strange things happen, and you just never know. Get the > church record for this entry - it will probably give much more > information that a comparable Church of England record - and see who the > parents were. The whole thing will be in latin, so you may have to come > back to the list for translations. > Heather > > Emma Newman > England Deaths and Burials, 1538-1991 birth 1903 > residence 1904 Hirst > death 09 Mar 1904 > burial 12 Mar 1904 Aidani, Apud Ashington, Novocastrensi Et > Haguldastensi > > > On 02/02/2013 11:42 PM, Kitty Cusick wrote: > > Thank you to Rosemary for her help. > > Emma has to be dicounted as it would have been a Catholic Burial > > And my family were not Catholics > > Thanks very much Rosemary. > > Kitty > > Tasmania > > > > .. > Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any > reply...... Thank you! > > The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at > http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

    02/04/2013 01:57:24
    1. Re: [NMB] Academy Hill, South Shields,
    2. Russ Hogg
    3. Anne-Marie, Here are some references to Academy Hill. However, Windmill Hill and East Holborn wouldn't normally occur to me as being in Westoe. You might need to examine the areas covered by the enumeration districts in the relevant census. http://www.southtynesideimages.org.uk/frontend.php?keywords=Ref_No_increment ;EQUALS;STH0001591&pos=2&action=zoom http://www.tomorrows-history.com/public_item.php?collection=137&item=16662&f lag=C http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=54.989643,-1.444284&num=1&t=m&z=17 Regards, Russ -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: 04 February 2013 05:40 To: [email protected] Subject: [NMB] Academy Hill, South Shields,

    02/04/2013 01:37:00
    1. Re: [NMB] Academy Hill, South Shields,
    2. Geoff Nicholson
    3. Anne-Marie, I understand that you don't think that the streets you have mentioned, all of which were close to the riverside and swept away in 1930s slum clearances, were anywhere near Westoe. I suspect that is because to you, Westoe means what is more correctly Westoe Village, about a mile away. However, Westoe is an older name for the district than is South Shields and the original South Shields were just that - fishermen's cottages, perhaps only occupied seasonally, beside the river, and called that to distinguish them from the North Shields on the Tynemouth side. When the land was divided into Townships, that of South Shields was just that very narrow, but highly-populated, strip alongside the river, while the majority of what is now South Shields became the Township of Westoe, a more rural, agricultural, place until South Shields expanded and swamped it. The centre of Westoe was what is now Westoe village, originally a collection of farms, about a mile south of the Tyne. This might be a suitable occasion to remind you of the mediaeval letter of protest sent by Newcastle Corporation to the King, complaining that their rights over the trade on the Tyne were being usurped by the Prior of Tynemouth, who had established a port of his own at North Shields. Near the end of the letter, as almost a throw-away line, they say "..... and the Prior of Durham has established a town at South Shields, where no town ought to be". I just love quoting those last eight words to South Shields people! Geoff Nicholson -----Original Message----- From: bainbridge11 <[email protected]> To: northumbria <[email protected]> Sent: Mon, 4 Feb 2013 5:55 Subject: [NMB] Academy Hill, South Shields, Researching my husbands Bainbridge tree and came across his great ancestors living at 10 Academy Hill on the 1851 census, any idea where this street would have been? 1861 they were at Thames Street, Westoe and that too seems to have gone. Any ideas as to location? Cheers, Anne-Marie .. Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any reply...... Thank you! The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

    02/03/2013 10:24:18
    1. Re: [NMB] Emma Newman
    2. Ingrid Clausen
    3. Hi Sorry if I have not fully understood your message (it has been a long day :-)), but I think you are looking at more than one Newman couple having children? If so, have you eliminated the following entry on FreeBMD as possibly matching up to the burial entry you found? Clearly she could not have had the same mother as Gladys Nelson Newman, who was registered in the same quarter but in the Morpeth district. Births Jun 1903 NEWMAN Emmeline Tynemouth 10b 288 BTW, Ashington comes within the Morpeth registration district (click on the district name in the entry and follow the link), so although people did necessarily get buried in the same district/place as they died, in this case the two are consistent. Hirst (Emma's place of residence according to the familysearch index entry) is also in the Morpeth reg district. I would agree with Rosemary that it would be well worth your while to look through the church registers. The film number is 2046653. All the best, Ingrid On 3/02/2013, at 3:25 PM, Kitty Cusick wrote: > .... > This leaves only Emma who has a death record ...and no Birth record. > The record from Free BMD is okay and very self explanatory. > > NEWMAN Emma 1 Morpeth 10b 291 > .... > > Below is from familysearch.org > Emma Newman > England Deaths and Burials, 1538-1991 birth 1903 > residence 1904 Hirst > death 09 Mar 1904 > burial 12 Mar 1904 Aidani, Apud Ashington, Novocastrensi Et Haguldastensi

    02/03/2013 11:54:02
    1. Re: [NMB] Emma Newman
    2. Kitty Cusick
    3. Thank you to Rosemary for her help. Emma has to be dicounted as it would have been a Catholic Buris And my family were not Catholics Thanks very much Rosemary. Kitty Tasmania On Feb 3, 2013 1:25 PM, "Kitty Cusick" <[email protected]> wrote: > I am still trying to find the 3rd Child who died in my Newman Family. > I have looked extensively on Free BMD and Family search. > The St Catherine house records only go to 1900 here in Tasmania. > I spent a couple of hours going through from March quarter of 1895 to > December of 1900. > And found no child that could match with a birth and Death other than > Births of Alice May 1897 > Frederick Ernest 1899 > These two are from Free BMD. > Lena Beatrice 1901 > Gladys Nelson 1903 > 4 of the Newman children two of whom survived and two who died. > Herbert, Doris Isaac. Dorothy and Lewis are accounted for. > They either belong to other Newman Family members. > With Doris Irene belonging to a Matthew Newman > This leaves only Emma who has a death record (Information Below) > And no Birth record. > The Record from Free BMD is okay and very self explanatory. > > NEWMAN Emma 1 Morpeth 10b 291 > She may not of had her birth registered. > It is the place name on the Family.org that has me confused. > Is the place real or another concoction of the Church of Latter Day Saints > > > Below is from familysearch.org > Emma Newman > England Deaths and Burials, 1538-1991 birth 1903 > residence 1904 Hirst > death 09 Mar 1904 > burial 12 Mar 1904 Aidani, Apud Ashington, Novocastrensi Et > Haguldastensi > > Any help would be appreciated as I do not want to send for another > certificate and the person on the certificate not being my Family. > And idea there any other site that I can search for BMD records for > the time period of 1895 to 1911. > I have access to ancestry. > Thanks to all who can help. > Kitty > Cambridge Tasmania >

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