Hi Julia Perhaps the 1890 map will help at: http://www.picturesofgateshead.co.uk/local_maps/index.html The maps are of Newcastle as well as Gateshead. Chris On 2/14/13, Julia Say <[email protected]> wrote: > Does anyone have, know of, or have a link to fairly detailed parish > boundary maps (at the street kind of level) for the city parishes (St. > John, St Andrew, All Saints, St. Nicks) of Newcastle as they were in the > 1750-1800-ish period? > > I think I've looked in the obvious places and can't find one..... > > Thanks > > Julia

In 1881 the Horsman family were at Thompson Street, Byker;  and by 1891 they were at 138 Raby St, Byker (where they stayed until at least 1911).  Could anyone suggest which church the children may have been baptised at, so that I can check them out when I am up in June. Equally if anyone spots any Horsman baptisms in Byker,  do tell me,  as city parishes do take a long time to trawl.   Thanks   Sue

Hi Julia Try http://maps.familysearch.org/ Although its at 1851 I doubt there would be much difference if any Enter Newcastle and zoom in to street level, you can select various overlays but Map shows street level with Parish boundaries May I ask what you are seeking the maps for ? I only ask as I have yet to find an instance in built up areas where a Parish map proved to be useful Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 14/02/2013 12:12, Julia Say wrote: > Does anyone have, know of, or have a link to fairly detailed parish > boundary maps (at the street kind of level) for the city parishes (St. > John, St Andrew, All Saints, St. Nicks) of Newcastle as they were in the > 1750-1800-ish period? > > I think I've looked in the obvious places and can't find one..... > > Thanks > > Julia

Does anyone have, know of, or have a link to fairly detailed parish boundary maps (at the street kind of level) for the city parishes (St. John, St Andrew, All Saints, St. Nicks) of Newcastle as they were in the 1750-1800-ish period? I think I've looked in the obvious places and can't find one..... Thanks Julia

Julia: Further to Nivard's answer, see my comments on a similar question about the choice of church in Byker. In a town centre, people would move around a lot and I doubt whether many, even in the days of the Old Poor Law, would think of themselves as "belonging" to a particular parish. Chances are, they had lived in most of the four in Newcastle, and perhaps also worked in them all as well! They would probably have had much the same amount of difficulty as we have in deciding which parish a certain street was in! Mentioning the four parishes of Newcastle - it is generally taken for granted that there were four "ancient" parishes there, ie ones with registers going back to 1600. However, a pedant would say there was only one - St Nicholas. The other three, St John, St Andrew and All Saints, were officially Parochial Chapelries of St Nicholas. Just about the only hangover of that, even in the early 19th century, was that the clergyman in charge of, say, St John's, had the title "Vicar of St John's", but the man in charge at St Nicholas was the "Vicar of Newcastle". Geoff -----Original Message----- From: Nivard Ovington <[email protected]> To: northumbria <[email protected]> Sent: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 14:04 Subject: Re: [NMB] C18 parish boundaries - Newcastle Hi Julia Try http://maps.familysearch.org/ Although its at 1851 I doubt there would be much difference if any Enter Newcastle and zoom in to street level, you can select various overlays but Map shows street level with Parish boundaries May I ask what you are seeking the maps for ? I only ask as I have yet to find an instance in built up areas where a Parish map proved to be useful Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 14/02/2013 12:12, Julia Say wrote: > Does anyone have, know of, or have a link to fairly detailed parish > boundary maps (at the street kind of level) for the city parishes (St. > John, St Andrew, All Saints, St. Nicks) of Newcastle as they were in the > 1750-1800-ish period? > > I think I've looked in the obvious places and can't find one..... > > Thanks > > Julia .. Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any reply...... Thank you! The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Sue: Wyn's reply confirms my own gut reaction to your question. Where there were several churches nearby, in a continuously-built-up area like Byker, people would probably not even be aware of parish boundaries and, even if they were, matters such whether the church, if C of E, was "high church" or "low church", or whether they liked the Vicar, would be much more important than literally which was officially the "proper" parish for the baptism. Also, many people, like those seeking a church for a wedding today, would not be regular churchgoers and so wouldn't be bothered even which denomination a particular church was, just whether it was convenient. That is, the "church or chapel at the end of the street" would always win out over the one "at the top of the hill, about a mile away", especially at this time of year! Geoff Nicholson -----Original Message----- From: wynandfrank <[email protected]> To: S Horsman <[email protected]>; northumbria <[email protected]> Sent: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 16:20 Subject: Re: [NMB] Which Byker church I have a family living off Raby Street and some of the children were baptised at St Michael's and others at St Silas. Wyn In 1881 the Horsman family were at Thompson Street, Byker; and by 1891 they were at 138 Raby St, Byker (where they stayed until at least 1911). Could anyone suggest which church the children may have been baptised at, so that I can check them out when I am up in June. Sue .. .. Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any reply...... Thank you! The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Julia: I know I've seen one somewhere but canot think where! In practice your best bet is probably to go for the Ordnance Survey maps of the City Centre, as published eg in the Godfrey Maps series. They have lines of dots, sometimes difficult to follow through built-up areas but there all the same, which mark out the "Wards" of the town and which correspond to most of the old parish boundaries. Also good, Oliver's "Picture of Newcastle" from 1831 - eg the 1970 Frank Graham reprint - has a fold-out map where those boundaries are marked moderately plainly. If you are familiar with the general layout of Newcastle, its main roads etc, then it should, in theory, be possible to reconstruct the parish boundaries from a study of the "enumeration district descriptions", at the beginning of each enumeration district in the censuses. If it is one particular street or district that concerns you, then why not tell us which it is? I'm sure you would receive plenty of answers from people on this list! Geoff Nicholson -----Original Message----- From: Julia Say <[email protected]> To: northumbria <[email protected]> Sent: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 12:16 Subject: [NMB] C18 parish boundaries - Newcastle Does anyone have, know of, or have a link to fairly detailed parish boundary maps (at the street kind of level) for the city parishes (St. John, St Andrew, All Saints, St. Nicks) of Newcastle as they were in the 1750-1800-ish period? I think I've looked in the obvious places and can't find one..... Thanks Julia .. Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any reply...... Thank you! The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks Susan. You are quite right . However modern mobile 'phones mean I got both pages as a "pdf" this morning as well. Confirmed I need to order the book !! Best wishes, Paul On 11 Feb 2013, at 13:22, Susan C wrote: > > > If you haven't yet, look for your book on  http://www.worldcat.org/, > ask your local library if they will send for the book for you.  > Libraries around the world are exchanging books and this helps > researchers in their work. >

CHRISTOPHER MORGAN <[email protected]> wrote: >I'm only curious, but I did some transcriptions several years ago that >came a lot nearer to 1900 than the dates available online. I wonder >what has happened to the indexing project to get more data loaded? Chris The indexing project was an arrangement between the Newcastle Registrar and the NDFHS, perhaps one or both of those can enlighten you. It isn't really something we should discuss here. Brian -- Brian Pears (Joint List Admin - NORTHUMBRIA Mailing List)

I'm only curious, but I did some transcriptions several years ago that came a lot nearer to 1900 than the dates available online. I wonder what has happened to the indexing project to get more data loaded? Chris Morgan  ________________________________ From: John Gallon <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Monday, 11 February 2013, 18:55 Subject: Re: [NMB] Hi Folks > I am sure I used to be able to go to a website that gave a list of marriages in Newcastle? can anyone direct me to it please? > Also how might I get a record of a marriage in St Peters C of E church , Balkwell, N Shields? > Thanks > Fran Dear Fran, Newcastle births & marriages are at http://www.newcastle.gov.uk/your-council/register-office/historical-searches If you want a copy of the Church register of marriages, then it will be Tyne & Wear Archives Service. http://www.twmuseums.org.uk/tyne-and-wear-archives.html. Or you could contact  North Tyneside Registrar at http://www.northtyneside.gov.uk/browse.shtml?p_subjectCategory=366 There is a cost for either TWAS or North Tyneside Registrar. -- John Gallon, Walker, Newcastle upon Tyne [email protected]

> I am sure I used to be able to go to a website that gave a list of marriages in Newcastle? can anyone direct me to it please? > Also how might I get a record of a marriage in St Peters C of E church , Balkwell, N Shields? > Thanks > Fran Dear Fran, Newcastle births & marriages are at http://www.newcastle.gov.uk/your-council/register-office/historical-searches If you want a copy of the Church register of marriages, then it will be Tyne & Wear Archives Service. http://www.twmuseums.org.uk/tyne-and-wear-archives.html. Or you could contact North Tyneside Registrar at http://www.northtyneside.gov.uk/browse.shtml?p_subjectCategory=366 There is a cost for either TWAS or North Tyneside Registrar. -- John Gallon, Walker, Newcastle upon Tyne [email protected] http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~littleblobby/ http://www.freewebs.com/littleblobby/

I am sure I used to be able to go to a website that gave a list of marriages in Newcastle? can anyone direct me to it please? Also how might I get a record of a marriage in St Peters C of E church , Balkwell, N Shields? Thanks Fran

Dear Geoff thank you for your explanation it was very helpful. Regards Linda

Linda: The term "parochial chapelry" refers to a portion of a C of E parish which is served by its own church, the Parochial Chapel. It is not officially the Parish Church, so it is only a "chapel", but it is "parochial" because it fulfils all the functions of a parish church and usually the area it covers is, for all practical purposes, a parish of its own, the differences between it and a "proper" parish being reduced to a few technicalities of church law. What we usually think of as the parish of Barnard Castle was officially a parochial chapelry of Gainford parish. It is therefore undoubtedly Church of England. Whether one considers that to be a "Catholic domain" or not depends on whether or not one thinks of the C of E as Catholic. Technically it is part of the "Holy Catholic Church" even though not Roman Catholic. Similarly, it is not truly Protestant. Henry VIII, for instance, who is usually credited with having founded the C of E, would have nothing to do with "Protestantism" which, in his day, was identified more with Lutheranism than anything else. Of course, I could also say that before Henry VIII's break with Rome, Barnard Castle church, like all English churches, was Roman Catholic, as that was all there was! See the slogan of the Catholic Family History Society - "You have more Catholic ancestors than you think!". If it is early Roman Catholics from Barnard Castle whom you seek, then it might be relevant that before Catholics were allowed their own system of Dioceses, parishes and churches (1830s), RC entries from Barnard Castle were included in the registers of Lartington, at the time in the North Riding of Yorkshire and within the C of E parish of Romaldkirk. Geoff Nicholson -----Original Message----- From: Linda Wheatcroft <[email protected]> To: NORTHUMBRIA <[email protected]> Sent: Mon, 11 Feb 2013 0:26 Subject: [NMB] Parochial Chapel Barnard Castle Hi can anyone tell me if the Parochial Chapel in Barnard Castle is a catholic domain and has it always been. Many thanks Linda Wheatcroft Sent from my iPad .. Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any reply...... Thank you! The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello from the USA, If you haven't yet, look for your book on  http://www.worldcat.org/, ask your local library if they will send for the book for you.  Libraries around the world are exchanging books and this helps researchers in their work. Good luck, SC ________________________________ From: Paul Redgate <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2013 10:48 AM Subject: [NMB] Newcastle Central Library/Newcastle University Library I have a favour to ask of anyone who has access to the Library at the University of Newcastle, or, possibly the Newcastle Central Library. The following book, published by the University of Edinburgh, refers to the Rule Family, and in particular the Rules of Tynedale' "Border liberties and loyalties : North-East England, C. 1200 to C. 1400." Holford, Matthew and Stringer, Keith John (2010). Edinburgh University Press, Edinburgh. ISBN I would be grateful for the information this book provides on the Rule Family, specifically on Pages 253 to 254, within the Liberty of Tynedale.. This is a gap in my research in to the Rowle/Rule isogloss. Many thanks, Paul Redgate .. Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any reply...... Thank you! The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi can anyone tell me if the Parochial Chapel in Barnard Castle is a catholic domain and has it always been. Many thanks Linda Wheatcroft Sent from my iPad

I have a favour to ask of anyone who has access to the Library at the University of Newcastle, or, possibly the Newcastle Central Library. The following book, published by the University of Edinburgh, refers to the Rule Family, and in particular the Rules of Tynedale' "Border liberties and loyalties : North-East England, C. 1200 to C. 1400." Holford, Matthew and Stringer, Keith John (2010). Edinburgh University Press, Edinburgh. ISBN I would be grateful for the information this book provides on the Rule Family, specifically on Pages 253 to 254, within the Liberty of Tynedale.. This is a gap in my research in to the Rowle/Rule isogloss. Many thanks, Paul Redgate

Margery: See my answer to this query on the NFHS site. Geoff Nicholson -----Original Message----- From: kenmar.white <[email protected]> To: northumbria <[email protected]> Sent: Sat, 9 Feb 2013 17:00 Subject: [NMB] James Fairhurst I am assisting my cousin who has been told by a member of his family that there was a James Fairhurst born about 1889 who was a freeman of Morpeth in his family tree. I found a posting on the rootsweb archive in 1999 relating to this man, can anyone tell me where he can get more information about freemen in Morpeth please, would they be held at Woodhorn archives? Or indeed if anyone else on this list is researching this family? Margery Sent from my iPad .. Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any reply...... Thank you! The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I am assisting my cousin who has been told by a member of his family that there was a James Fairhurst born about 1889 who was a freeman of Morpeth in his family tree. I found a posting on the rootsweb archive in 1999 relating to this man, can anyone tell me where he can get more information about freemen in Morpeth please, would they be held at Woodhorn archives? Or indeed if anyone else on this list is researching this family? Margery Sent from my iPad

Many thanks to all who have made suggestions and looked for other possible sources of information - a lot for me to follow up. Melvyn.