Hello Charles When you get the marriage certificate, I may be able to help with the SPOORS side of the family. I have a large data base of SPOOR and SPOORS, including quite a few Margarets of the right age in the Sunderland area. Once you know her father it is easier to narrow down possibilities Heather On 21/02/2013 3:17 PM, Charles Atkinson wrote: > Hello Listers > > I am helping a relative trying to trace a difficult family tree - the > ancestors of Robert Smith born 9 December 1913 in Ryhope, near Sunderland. > > The birth certificate identifies his parents as Frederick SMITH, a coal > miner putter, and Margaret SPOORS. > >

MikeI would look at the Woodhorn holdings for the FALCUS/FAWCUS family. They might have been written up by one of the good local historians. There are collections of pedigrees which are good for early dates like yours. Gen in NBL England > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2013 10:37:55 +0000 > Subject: Re: [NMB] Stamfordham Parish Records > > Hi Gen > This is what I have. The only marriage of a Barbara/Barbry to a Falcus/Fawcus is Robert Facus to Barbry Stodert 26.6.166 in STAMFORDHAM, Robert Facus dies 1685 leaving his widow free to marry George Straker in 1686 in Pontelan (adjacent to Stamfordham). As there are children baptised to Robert in Stamfordham 16567-1673 then I suspected that my John of 1673 should also fit in there! > > Thanks for any assistance > > Mike > > > > I was chasing up the Warkworth Falcus/Fawcus and seeing how they fit in when I found a deposition from William Straker of Warkworth setting out his pedigree from John Fawcus of Warkworth, carpenter. Dated 4th March 1735/6. > "John Fawcus of Warkworth, carpenter, aged 62 years .....This deponent can the better depose as to his knowledge of the said George [Straker] for that he marryed this deponent's mother to his second wife". > A small family tree shows that > "George Straker = 2nd ... mother of John Fawcus of Warkworth, carpenter". > Note that the name of the mother is not quoted but a Georgius Straker (Catholic?) married Barbara Faucas 15.7.1686 in Ponteland. "Barbara" was not a common name and the only marriage I can find for a "Barbara" to a Falcus/Fawcus prior to 1686 would be Robert Facus and Barbry Stodert 26.6.1666 Stamfordham and it would appear that there is the death of Robert Facus 19.5.1685 of Kirkly, which would leave his widow Barbara free to remarry after 1685. > It would appear that Robert Facus had at least the following children all baptised in Stamfordham > Issabelle 31.03.1667 > Roger 04.07.1669 > Elizabeth daughter of Robert, buried 14.1.1672 > Thomas 14.09.1673 > I though perhaps there might be one missing! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of gen listlass > Sent: 21 February 2013 03:32 > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [NMB] Stamfordham Parish Records > > > > After reading Geoff's post about surname variations, I remembered there is a local farmer who is called Fawcus but often known as Fowkie! Maybe that is just the way his friends refer to him but it may be yet another variation? > What reason do you have to believe your man came from Stamfordham? What details do you have that are proved already? > Gen in NBL England > > Hi Gen > > Many thanks for your time and trouble. Looks like I have to search elsewhere. Maybe Ponteland > > > > Thank you > > > > Mike Fairless > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: gen listlass <[email protected]> > > To: northumbria <[email protected]> > > Sent: Wed, 20 Feb 2013 15:34 > > Subject: Re: [NMB] Stamfordham Parish Records > > > > > > Hello Michael > > > > I checked the transcripts for the Stamfordham registers (Microfilm M1123) at > > Woodhorn this morning and there are no entries for a > > > > John Fawcus/Falcus etc baptism in the PR > > > > John Fawcus/etc to an Ann marriage in the PR > > > > There are plenty with this surname BUT none of the ones you seek. > > > > Gen in NBL England > > > > > > .. > Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any reply...... Thank you! > > The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Listers I am helping a relative trying to trace a difficult family tree - the ancestors of Robert Smith born 9 December 1913 in Ryhope, near Sunderland. The birth certificate identifies his parents as Frederick SMITH, a coal miner putter, and Margaret SPOORS. I have now requested the marriage certificate to take another step along the tree but if anyone on this list recognized this couple and has information about them, I would be most interested in exchanging details with them. Charles Atkinson, Niagara Falls, Canada.

Hi Gen This is what I have. The only marriage of a Barbara/Barbry to a Falcus/Fawcus is Robert Facus to Barbry Stodert 26.6.166 in STAMFORDHAM, Robert Facus dies 1685 leaving his widow free to marry George Straker in 1686 in Pontelan (adjacent to Stamfordham). As there are children baptised to Robert in Stamfordham 16567-1673 then I suspected that my John of 1673 should also fit in there! Thanks for any assistance Mike I was chasing up the Warkworth Falcus/Fawcus and seeing how they fit in when I found a deposition from William Straker of Warkworth setting out his pedigree from John Fawcus of Warkworth, carpenter. Dated 4th March 1735/6. "John Fawcus of Warkworth, carpenter, aged 62 years .....This deponent can the better depose as to his knowledge of the said George [Straker] for that he marryed this deponent's mother to his second wife". A small family tree shows that "George Straker = 2nd ... mother of John Fawcus of Warkworth, carpenter". Note that the name of the mother is not quoted but a Georgius Straker (Catholic?) married Barbara Faucas 15.7.1686 in Ponteland. "Barbara" was not a common name and the only marriage I can find for a "Barbara" to a Falcus/Fawcus prior to 1686 would be Robert Facus and Barbry Stodert 26.6.1666 Stamfordham and it would appear that there is the death of Robert Facus 19.5.1685 of Kirkly, which would leave his widow Barbara free to remarry after 1685. It would appear that Robert Facus had at least the following children all baptised in Stamfordham Issabelle 31.03.1667 Roger 04.07.1669 Elizabeth daughter of Robert, buried 14.1.1672 Thomas 14.09.1673 I though perhaps there might be one missing! -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of gen listlass Sent: 21 February 2013 03:32 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [NMB] Stamfordham Parish Records After reading Geoff's post about surname variations, I remembered there is a local farmer who is called Fawcus but often known as Fowkie! Maybe that is just the way his friends refer to him but it may be yet another variation? What reason do you have to believe your man came from Stamfordham? What details do you have that are proved already? Gen in NBL England > Hi Gen > Many thanks for your time and trouble. Looks like I have to search elsewhere. Maybe Ponteland > > Thank you > > Mike Fairless > > > -----Original Message----- > From: gen listlass <[email protected]> > To: northumbria <[email protected]> > Sent: Wed, 20 Feb 2013 15:34 > Subject: Re: [NMB] Stamfordham Parish Records > > > Hello Michael > > I checked the transcripts for the Stamfordham registers (Microfilm M1123) at > Woodhorn this morning and there are no entries for a > > John Fawcus/Falcus etc baptism in the PR > > John Fawcus/etc to an Ann marriage in the PR > > There are plenty with this surname BUT none of the ones you seek. > > Gen in NBL England > >

After reading Geoff's post about surname variations, I remembered there is a local farmer who is called Fawcus but often known as Fowkie! Maybe that is just the way his friends refer to him but it may be yet another variation? What reason do you have to believe your man came from Stamfordham? What details do you have that are proved already? Gen in NBL England > Hi Gen > Many thanks for your time and trouble. Looks like I have to search elsewhere. Maybe Ponteland > > Thank you > > Mike Fairless > > > -----Original Message----- > From: gen listlass <[email protected]> > To: northumbria <[email protected]> > Sent: Wed, 20 Feb 2013 15:34 > Subject: Re: [NMB] Stamfordham Parish Records > > > Hello Michael > > I checked the transcripts for the Stamfordham registers (Microfilm M1123) at > Woodhorn this morning and there are no entries for a > > John Fawcus/Falcus etc baptism in the PR > > John Fawcus/etc to an Ann marriage in the PR > > There are plenty with this surname BUT none of the ones you seek. > > Gen in NBL England > > > > > From: [email protected] > > To: [email protected] > > Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2013 07:37:53 +0000 > > Subject: Re: [NMB] Stamfordham Parish Records > > > > Thanks Geoff > > Much appreciated, will try some of those options. > > > > I agree with your sentiments regarding your tea! > > > > Mike > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] > On Behalf Of Geoff Nicholson > > Sent: 19 February 2013 17:55 > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: [NMB] Stamfordham Parish Records > > > > > > Mike: > > > > Further to my last message, it has bene pointed out to me that the NDFHS has > the information from those registers on its database. Also, many of the Wood > transcripts were published on fiche by Northfiche some time ago. They used to be > available (by post!) from Woodhorn, and perhaps still are. > > > > However, while I was strictly speaking correct in saying that the Wood > transctripts cover the period you mention, I should qualify that by saying that, > according to the National Index of Parish Registers, those for Stamfordham > survive only from 1662-1695 and from 1722 onwards. That might affect your > chances of finding the marriage you seek. However, you could be helped by the > availability of Boyd's Marriage Index (information also on the old microfiche > IGI and no doubt also nowadays on the LDS web site). If you still can't trace it > and still think it could have been at Stamfordham 1696-1721 then you could > always look at the microfiche index to Durham Diocese Marriage Bonds, just in > case it was one of the 10% (max!) or so that were by Licence. > > > > Sorry for the brevity of my last message - caused by my tea being in danger of > getting cold, and we can't have that! > > > > Geoff Nicholson > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Geoff Nicholson <[email protected]> > > To: northumbria <[email protected]> > > Sent: Tue, 19 Feb 2013 17:07 > > Subject: Re: [NMB] Stamfordham Parish Records > > > > > > > > Mike: > > > > The period you mention is covered by the H M Wood transcripts in Newcastle > > Central Library. Perhaps that is nearer to you than is Woodhorn. > > > > Geoff Nicholson > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Fairless, Michael <[email protected]> > > To: northumbria <[email protected]> > > Sent: Tue, 19 Feb 2013 14:11 > > Subject: [NMB] Stamfordham Parish Records > > > > > > I don't know if anyone has access to Stamfordham Parish Records which might > save > > > > me a trip to Woodhorn > > > > But I am looking for the baptism of a John Fawcus/Falcus/Faucus (etc !) in > about > > > > 1673 to parents Robert and Barbara/Barbry and also the marriage of the said > John > > > > (to Ann) probably about 21 years later (?) > > > > Many thanks for any help > > > > Mike Fairless > > .. > > > > .. > > Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any > reply...... Thank you! > > > > The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of > the message > > .. > Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any > reply...... Thank you! > > The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of > the message > > > .. > Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any reply...... Thank you! > > The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > .. > Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any reply...... Thank you! > > The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi just want to thank all who gave me links to check, indulged in a nice dose of nostalgia Fran

Susan, Although I feel sure this request is on the wrong list, I can understand some confusion regarding Wapping. I was thrown off the scent with one of my wife's ancestors born in Wapping, according to one census. When checked, later years gave the place as South Shields. Today Wapping remains a street parallel with the river near what was called Comical Corner. It's post code today is NE33 1LQ, No doubt some seafarers would know both Wappings. There's a Treby Street in that area of London, but that seems to have had another name before 1910. I was trying to think of any church near the Wapping in South Shields that might fit - but all my wife's relatives were christened or married at St Hilda. I'm satisfied this query will be answered by looking at the much larger Wapping by the Thames, not the Tyne. The following webpage may be of interest; http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=51375 Chris Morgan -----Original Message----- From: Brian Pears Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2013 2:56 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [NMB] Church of Treby Susan C <[email protected]> wrote: >I am looking for the Church of Treby, thought to be in (or was) in >Wapping, London. Where can I find information regarding the church? >Samuel Troutbeck, b. 1700, baptized in Treby (?) 1708. Although, in the light of my previous error, I hesitate to query this, what is the relevance of this question to the list area? Remember the list covers only the historic counties of Co Durham and Northumberland. Brian -- Brian Pears (Joint List Admin - NORTHUMBRIA Mailing List)

When I was a pupil at Heaton High School 1944-1949 I travelled by tram down Heaton Road to its junction with Stephenson Road after travelling by trolley bus from Walker. So the trams were in use until at least July 1949. Mildred Robson. ----------------- To add a bit more, the last Newcastle trams were withdrawn on the 4th. March 1950 from the Wrekenton services. And Gateshead followed on the 4th. August 1951, when Tyneside had no trams. -- John Gallon, Walker, Newcastle upon Tyne [email protected] http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~littleblobby/ http://www.freewebs.com/littleblobby/

When I was a pupil at Heaton High School 1944-1949 I travelled by tram down Heaton Road to its junction with Stephenson Road after travelling by trolley bus from Walker. So the trams were in use until at least July 1949. Mildred Robson.

Hi Gen Many thanks for your time and trouble. Looks like I have to search elsewhere. Maybe Ponteland Thank you Mike Fairless -----Original Message----- From: gen listlass <[email protected]> To: northumbria <[email protected]> Sent: Wed, 20 Feb 2013 15:34 Subject: Re: [NMB] Stamfordham Parish Records Hello Michael I checked the transcripts for the Stamfordham registers (Microfilm M1123) at Woodhorn this morning and there are no entries for a John Fawcus/Falcus etc baptism in the PR John Fawcus/etc to an Ann marriage in the PR There are plenty with this surname BUT none of the ones you seek. Gen in NBL England > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2013 07:37:53 +0000 > Subject: Re: [NMB] Stamfordham Parish Records > > Thanks Geoff > Much appreciated, will try some of those options. > > I agree with your sentiments regarding your tea! > > Mike > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Geoff Nicholson > Sent: 19 February 2013 17:55 > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [NMB] Stamfordham Parish Records > > > Mike: > > Further to my last message, it has bene pointed out to me that the NDFHS has the information from those registers on its database. Also, many of the Wood transcripts were published on fiche by Northfiche some time ago. They used to be available (by post!) from Woodhorn, and perhaps still are. > > However, while I was strictly speaking correct in saying that the Wood transctripts cover the period you mention, I should qualify that by saying that, according to the National Index of Parish Registers, those for Stamfordham survive only from 1662-1695 and from 1722 onwards. That might affect your chances of finding the marriage you seek. However, you could be helped by the availability of Boyd's Marriage Index (information also on the old microfiche IGI and no doubt also nowadays on the LDS web site). If you still can't trace it and still think it could have been at Stamfordham 1696-1721 then you could always look at the microfiche index to Durham Diocese Marriage Bonds, just in case it was one of the 10% (max!) or so that were by Licence. > > Sorry for the brevity of my last message - caused by my tea being in danger of getting cold, and we can't have that! > > Geoff Nicholson > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Geoff Nicholson <[email protected]> > To: northumbria <[email protected]> > Sent: Tue, 19 Feb 2013 17:07 > Subject: Re: [NMB] Stamfordham Parish Records > > > > Mike: > > The period you mention is covered by the H M Wood transcripts in Newcastle > Central Library. Perhaps that is nearer to you than is Woodhorn. > > Geoff Nicholson > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Fairless, Michael <[email protected]> > To: northumbria <[email protected]> > Sent: Tue, 19 Feb 2013 14:11 > Subject: [NMB] Stamfordham Parish Records > > > I don't know if anyone has access to Stamfordham Parish Records which might save > > me a trip to Woodhorn > > But I am looking for the baptism of a John Fawcus/Falcus/Faucus (etc !) in about > > 1673 to parents Robert and Barbara/Barbry and also the marriage of the said John > > (to Ann) probably about 21 years later (?) > > Many thanks for any help > > Mike Fairless > .. > > .. > Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any reply...... Thank you! > > The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message .. Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any reply...... Thank you! The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message .. Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any reply...... Thank you! The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Geoff Very good of you Falcus/Fawcus/Faucus/Falkous it is all very much the the same! I have documents referred to as Fawcus but signed Falcus! But I can get back on Falcus to nearly 1700 in the Woodhorn/Bedlington/Longframlington area I was chasing up the Warkworth Falcus/Fawcus and seeing how they fit in when I found a deposition from William Straker of Warkworth setting out his pedigree from John Fawcus of Warkworth, carpenter. Dated 4th March 1735/6. "John Fawcus of Warkworth, carpenter, aged 62 years .....This deponent can the better depose as to his knowledge of the said George [Straker] for that he marryed this deponent's mother to his second wife". A small family tree shows that "George Straker = 2nd ... mother of John Fawcus of Warkworth, carpenter". Note that the name of the mother is not quoted but a Georgius Straker (Catholic?) married Barbara Faucas 15.7.1686 in Ponteland. "Barbara" was not a common name and the only marriage I can find for a "Barbara" to a Falcus/Fawcus prior to 1686 would be Robert Facus and Barbry Stodert 26.6.1666 Stamfordham and it would appear that there is the death of Robert Facus 19.5.1685 of Kirkly, which would leave his widow Barbara free to remarry after 1685. It would appear that Robert Facus had at least the following children all baptised in Stamfordham Issabelle 31.03.1667 Roger 04.07.1669 Elizabeth daughter of Robert, buried 14.1.1672 Thomas 14.09.1673 I though perhaps there might be one missing! Thanks Mike Fairless -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Geoff Nicholson Sent: 20 February 2013 16:23 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [NMB] Stamfordham Parish Records Michael: Further to Gen's message, I have checked my old 1992 microfiche edition of the IGI but cannot find the John Falcus etc baptism on it, even though it does include those from Stamfordham. The only explanation I can think of is that either you are well out with your estiiate of either the date or else of the likely parish (Stamfordham). Perhaps John was baptised in a non-C of E church which, in his day, would have to mean a Presyterian one. The good news, as they say, is that there was an old Presbyterian church in Stamfordham and it was founded by 1662, so was there when John was baptised. However, the bad news is that the surviving register go back only to 1754, which is much too late to help you. When searching the IGI I found that while some variations on the spelling were included under "Faucus", others were under "Fox" (!) and among those were "Fawkes". I know that there is at least one Fawkes family still in existence on Tyneside and it was only later that I made the connection that perhaps your ancestor had been a Fawkes, ie he and his family had pronounced their surname that way, and if so, then the might have been of the same religious persuasion as the famous/notorious Guy Fawkes - who was, of course, a Roman Catholic ! In Stamfordham parish there was an early Catholic church at Cheeseburn Grange. That was a large house, where the owner, of a well-known Northumbrian Catholic family, had a private Catholic chapel and maintained a priest, even in the days when to do so might mean instant arrest and eventual death. You will uinderstand that keeping paper records was not a good idea in those circumstances, and the official registers of what became Cheese! burn Grange Catholic church begin only in 1775. So, whether he was from a Presbyterian or a Roman Catholic family, it seems likely that for one reason or another, either his baptism was not recorded or, if it was, then the register has not survived. I think, before going any further with this one, it is worthwhile asking - What was it that made you expect to find his baptism in Stamfordham anyway? I hope you have allowed for the extent to which people moved around at that time - even if he lived in Stamfordham in later life, that is no evidence at all that he was born there. Geoff Nicholson -----Original Message----- From: gen listlass <[email protected]> To: northumbria <[email protected]> Sent: Wed, 20 Feb 2013 15:34 Subject: Re: [NMB] Stamfordham Parish Records Hello Michael I checked the transcripts for the Stamfordham registers (Microfilm M1123) at Woodhorn this morning and there are no entries for a John Fawcus/Falcus etc baptism in the PR John Fawcus/etc to an Ann marriage in the PR There are plenty with this surname BUT none of the ones you seek. Gen in NBL England > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Geoff Nicholson > Sent: 19 February 2013 17:55 > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [NMB] Stamfordham Parish Records > > > Mike: > > Further to my last message, it has bene pointed out to me that the NDFHS has the information from those registers on its database. Also, many of the Wood transcripts were published on fiche by Northfiche some time ago. They used to be available (by post!) from Woodhorn, and perhaps still are. > > However, while I was strictly speaking correct in saying that the Wood transctripts cover the period you mention, I should qualify that by saying that, according to the National Index of Parish Registers, those for Stamfordham survive only from 1662-1695 and from 1722 onwards. That might affect your chances of finding the marriage you seek. However, you could be helped by the availability of Boyd's Marriage Index (information also on the old microfiche IGI and no doubt also nowadays on the LDS web site). If you still can't trace it and still think it could have been at Stamfordham 1696-1721 then you could always look at the microfiche index to Durham Diocese Marriage Bonds, just in case it was one of the 10% (max!) or so that were by Licence. > > Sorry for the brevity of my last message - caused by my tea being in danger of getting cold, and we can't have that! > > Geoff Nicholson > >

Susan C <[email protected]> wrote: >I am looking for the Church of Treby, thought to be in (or was) in >Wapping, London.  Where can I find information regarding the church? >Samuel Troutbeck, b. 1700, baptized in Treby (?) 1708.  Although, in the light of my previous error, I hesitate to query this, what is the relevance of this question to the list area? Remember the list covers only the historic counties of Co Durham and Northumberland. Brian -- Brian Pears (Joint List Admin - NORTHUMBRIA Mailing List)

"Jan Boyes" <[email protected]> wrote: >It seems that I hadn't misunderstood Fran's question after all. > >Hope the link I sent was useful for you Fran. Indeed - I misunderstood it. It was a pefectly legitimate local history question. Brian -- Brian Pears (Joint List Admin - NORTHUMBRIA Mailing List)

Hello Michael I checked the transcripts for the Stamfordham registers (Microfilm M1123) at Woodhorn this morning and there are no entries for a John Fawcus/Falcus etc baptism in the PR John Fawcus/etc to an Ann marriage in the PR There are plenty with this surname BUT none of the ones you seek. Gen in NBL England > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2013 07:37:53 +0000 > Subject: Re: [NMB] Stamfordham Parish Records > > Thanks Geoff > Much appreciated, will try some of those options. > > I agree with your sentiments regarding your tea! > > Mike > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Geoff Nicholson > Sent: 19 February 2013 17:55 > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [NMB] Stamfordham Parish Records > > > Mike: > > Further to my last message, it has bene pointed out to me that the NDFHS has the information from those registers on its database. Also, many of the Wood transcripts were published on fiche by Northfiche some time ago. They used to be available (by post!) from Woodhorn, and perhaps still are. > > However, while I was strictly speaking correct in saying that the Wood transctripts cover the period you mention, I should qualify that by saying that, according to the National Index of Parish Registers, those for Stamfordham survive only from 1662-1695 and from 1722 onwards. That might affect your chances of finding the marriage you seek. However, you could be helped by the availability of Boyd's Marriage Index (information also on the old microfiche IGI and no doubt also nowadays on the LDS web site). If you still can't trace it and still think it could have been at Stamfordham 1696-1721 then you could always look at the microfiche index to Durham Diocese Marriage Bonds, just in case it was one of the 10% (max!) or so that were by Licence. > > Sorry for the brevity of my last message - caused by my tea being in danger of getting cold, and we can't have that! > > Geoff Nicholson > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Geoff Nicholson <[email protected]> > To: northumbria <[email protected]> > Sent: Tue, 19 Feb 2013 17:07 > Subject: Re: [NMB] Stamfordham Parish Records > > > > Mike: > > The period you mention is covered by the H M Wood transcripts in Newcastle > Central Library. Perhaps that is nearer to you than is Woodhorn. > > Geoff Nicholson > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Fairless, Michael <[email protected]> > To: northumbria <[email protected]> > Sent: Tue, 19 Feb 2013 14:11 > Subject: [NMB] Stamfordham Parish Records > > > I don't know if anyone has access to Stamfordham Parish Records which might save > > me a trip to Woodhorn > > But I am looking for the baptism of a John Fawcus/Falcus/Faucus (etc !) in about > > 1673 to parents Robert and Barbara/Barbry and also the marriage of the said John > > (to Ann) probably about 21 years later (?) > > Many thanks for any help > > Mike Fairless > .. > > .. > Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any reply...... Thank you! > > The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Jan yes your link worked, an interesting article. Brian I'm afraid your link didn't work tho I tried it in different ways. Fran On 20 February 2013 12:57, Jan Boyes <[email protected]> wrote: > Thanks for the link Brian. > It seems that I hadn't misunderstood Fran's question after all. > > Hope the link I sent was useful for you Fran. > > Jan > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Brian Pears" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2013 1:55 AM > Subject: Re: [NMB] Newcastle Trams > > > > Brian Pears <[email protected]> wrote: > >>Technically it is a Light Rail System, but it is often referred to > >>a tram system. Look, for instance, at this news item from 2011. > > > > And here's the link: http://goo.gl/SMU1z > > > > > > > .. > Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any > reply...... Thank you! > > The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at > http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Thanks for the link Brian. It seems that I hadn't misunderstood Fran's question after all. Hope the link I sent was useful for you Fran. Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Pears" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2013 1:55 AM Subject: Re: [NMB] Newcastle Trams > Brian Pears <[email protected]> wrote: >>Technically it is a Light Rail System, but it is often referred to >>a tram system. Look, for instance, at this news item from 2011. > > And here's the link: http://goo.gl/SMU1z > > >

> From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2013 03:48:57 +0000 > Subject: Re: [NMB] Coal Miners = Hetton Le Hole, Thornley and Easington. Coi Durham > > > Hello Peter, My ancestors moved from the "Wapping" Newcastle upon Tyne where they worked in the coal mines to Thornley, Easington and then to Houghton-le-Spring Co Durham (via South Sheilds) as the mines they were worked in Newcastle were closing and the ones in North Durham were opening up. I know this from the parish records where children were baptised and census info. I even found the deaths of a child in those records that i hadn't known about. > This is the link to records held by Durham County Archives, you can search them and pay for the records you want if you wish too. http://www.durhamrecordsonline.com/ I found it really useful to get an idea where they were at a certain time between the Census years. > I hope this is helpful to you. > Carole Robinson > > > > > From: [email protected] > > To: [email protected] > > Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2012 14:54:43 +0000 > > Subject: [NMB] Coal Miners = Hetton Le Hole, Thornley and Easington. Coi Durham > > > > My Grand father MICHAEL COLLINS was a miner . I am trying to trace where he might have worked between poss. 1881 and about 1889 when he and family moved to South Shields,Co Durham. > > > > I have noted where he was married and where some of the children where born and that includes Hetton Le Hole, Thornley and Easington Co Durham > > Is there any records that might give details on people who worked in the mines in these areas? > > Any help or advice would be appreciated > > Regards > > Peter Collins > > Cheltenham UK > > .. > > Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any reply...... Thank you! > > > > The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > .. > Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any reply...... Thank you! > > The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Michael: Further to Gen's message, I have checked my old 1992 microfiche edition of the IGI but cannot find the John Falcus etc baptism on it, even though it does include those from Stamfordham. The only explanation I can think of is that either you are well out with your estiiate of either the date or else of the likely parish (Stamfordham). Perhaps John was baptised in a non-C of E church which, in his day, would have to mean a Presyterian one. The good news, as they say, is that there was an old Presbyterian church in Stamfordham and it was founded by 1662, so was there when John was baptised. However, the bad news is that the surviving register go back only to 1754, which is much too late to help you. When searching the IGI I found that while some variations on the spelling were included under "Faucus", others were under "Fox" (!) and among those were "Fawkes". I know that there is at least one Fawkes family still in existence on Tyneside and it was only later that I made the connection that perhaps your ancestor had been a Fawkes, ie he and his family had pronounced their surname that way, and if so, then the might have been of the same religious persuasion as the famous/notorious Guy Fawkes - who was, of course, a Roman Catholic ! In Stamfordham parish there was an early Catholic church at Cheeseburn Grange. That was a large house, where the owner, of a well-known Northumbrian Catholic family, had a private Catholic chapel and maintained a priest, even in the days when to do so might mean instant arrest and eventual death. You will uinderstand that keeping paper records was not a good idea in those circumstances, and the official registers of what became Cheeseburn Grange Catholic church begin only in 1775. So, whether he was from a Presbyterian or a Roman Catholic family, it seems likely that for one reason or another, either his baptism was not recorded or, if it was, then the register has not survived. I think, before going any further with this one, it is worthwhile asking - What was it that made you expect to find his baptism in Stamfordham anyway? I hope you have allowed for the extent to which people moved around at that time - even if he lived in Stamfordham in later life, that is no evidence at all that he was born there. Geoff Nicholson -----Original Message----- From: gen listlass <[email protected]> To: northumbria <[email protected]> Sent: Wed, 20 Feb 2013 15:34 Subject: Re: [NMB] Stamfordham Parish Records Hello Michael I checked the transcripts for the Stamfordham registers (Microfilm M1123) at Woodhorn this morning and there are no entries for a John Fawcus/Falcus etc baptism in the PR John Fawcus/etc to an Ann marriage in the PR There are plenty with this surname BUT none of the ones you seek. Gen in NBL England > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2013 07:37:53 +0000 > Subject: Re: [NMB] Stamfordham Parish Records > > Thanks Geoff > Much appreciated, will try some of those options. > > I agree with your sentiments regarding your tea! > > Mike > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Geoff Nicholson > Sent: 19 February 2013 17:55 > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [NMB] Stamfordham Parish Records > > > Mike: > > Further to my last message, it has bene pointed out to me that the NDFHS has the information from those registers on its database. Also, many of the Wood transcripts were published on fiche by Northfiche some time ago. They used to be available (by post!) from Woodhorn, and perhaps still are. > > However, while I was strictly speaking correct in saying that the Wood transctripts cover the period you mention, I should qualify that by saying that, according to the National Index of Parish Registers, those for Stamfordham survive only from 1662-1695 and from 1722 onwards. That might affect your chances of finding the marriage you seek. However, you could be helped by the availability of Boyd's Marriage Index (information also on the old microfiche IGI and no doubt also nowadays on the LDS web site). If you still can't trace it and still think it could have been at Stamfordham 1696-1721 then you could always look at the microfiche index to Durham Diocese Marriage Bonds, just in case it was one of the 10% (max!) or so that were by Licence. > > Sorry for the brevity of my last message - caused by my tea being in danger of getting cold, and we can't have that! > > Geoff Nicholson > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Geoff Nicholson <[email protected]> > To: northumbria <[email protected]> > Sent: Tue, 19 Feb 2013 17:07 > Subject: Re: [NMB] Stamfordham Parish Records > > > > Mike: > > The period you mention is covered by the H M Wood transcripts in Newcastle > Central Library. Perhaps that is nearer to you than is Woodhorn. > > Geoff Nicholson > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Fairless, Michael <[email protected]> > To: northumbria <[email protected]> > Sent: Tue, 19 Feb 2013 14:11 > Subject: [NMB] Stamfordham Parish Records > > > I don't know if anyone has access to Stamfordham Parish Records which might save > > me a trip to Woodhorn > > But I am looking for the baptism of a John Fawcus/Falcus/Faucus (etc !) in about > > 1673 to parents Robert and Barbara/Barbry and also the marriage of the said John > > (to Ann) probably about 21 years later (?) > > Many thanks for any help > > Mike Fairless > .. > > .. > Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any reply...... Thank you! > > The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message .. Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any reply...... Thank you! The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Folks I was asking about the trams of my childhhood around 1946 as I left Newcastle before the metro came into being. Thanks Jan for that link I will try it Fran

Thanks Geoff Much appreciated, will try some of those options. I agree with your sentiments regarding your tea! Mike -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Geoff Nicholson Sent: 19 February 2013 17:55 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [NMB] Stamfordham Parish Records Mike: Further to my last message, it has bene pointed out to me that the NDFHS has the information from those registers on its database. Also, many of the Wood transcripts were published on fiche by Northfiche some time ago. They used to be available (by post!) from Woodhorn, and perhaps still are. However, while I was strictly speaking correct in saying that the Wood transctripts cover the period you mention, I should qualify that by saying that, according to the National Index of Parish Registers, those for Stamfordham survive only from 1662-1695 and from 1722 onwards. That might affect your chances of finding the marriage you seek. However, you could be helped by the availability of Boyd's Marriage Index (information also on the old microfiche IGI and no doubt also nowadays on the LDS web site). If you still can't trace it and still think it could have been at Stamfordham 1696-1721 then you could always look at the microfiche index to Durham Diocese Marriage Bonds, just in case it was one of the 10% (max!) or so that were by Licence. Sorry for the brevity of my last message - caused by my tea being in danger of getting cold, and we can't have that! Geoff Nicholson -----Original Message----- From: Geoff Nicholson <[email protected]> To: northumbria <[email protected]> Sent: Tue, 19 Feb 2013 17:07 Subject: Re: [NMB] Stamfordham Parish Records Mike: The period you mention is covered by the H M Wood transcripts in Newcastle Central Library. Perhaps that is nearer to you than is Woodhorn. Geoff Nicholson -----Original Message----- From: Fairless, Michael <[email protected]> To: northumbria <[email protected]> Sent: Tue, 19 Feb 2013 14:11 Subject: [NMB] Stamfordham Parish Records I don't know if anyone has access to Stamfordham Parish Records which might save me a trip to Woodhorn But I am looking for the baptism of a John Fawcus/Falcus/Faucus (etc !) in about 1673 to parents Robert and Barbara/Barbry and also the marriage of the said John (to Ann) probably about 21 years later (?) Many thanks for any help Mike Fairless ..