Doreen Welch <[email protected]> wrote: > Does anyone on this list know whereabouts Monday Street >(possibly Elswick) was in relation to 50 Barrack Road, Newcastle >around the time of the 1911 Census Please? Doreen Monday Street ran eastward off Beaconsfield Street. If you find Beaconsfield Street on a modern street map, follow it north from Westgate Road, continue past the intersection with Stanhope Street, and you'll see Moorside Community Primary School on the right. Monday Street ran off Beaconsfield Street to the right just beyond those school premises. Monday Street was about 250 yards as the crow flies from the nearest point on Barrack Road. Brian -- Brian Pears (Joint List Admin - NORTHUMBRIA Mailing List)

Hello, Can anyone tell me whether it is 'Sister's Buildings', New Elvet, Durham or 'Listers Buildings'. I am having difficulty reading the copy of my grandmother's birth (b.1883) certificate that I have just received. Many thanks

 Does anyone on this list know whereabouts Monday Street (possibly Elswick) was in relation to 50 Barrack Road, Newcastle around the time of the 1911 Census Please? My Grandmother lived at 50 Barrack Road and was employed as a Machinist at Laundry Elizabeth CAVAGIN is shown living at 191 Monday Street and was employed as a Laundress at Spring Gardens(sic) I am trying to figure out if they knew each other.  (Elizabeth CAVAGIN (name signed as a Witness on the Wedding Certificate of my Grandparents in 1912 at St.Phillip High Elswick, Newcastle) I know that it is a long shot, but sometimes long shots are better than no shot at all! Regards Doreen       (now in Canada again)

In the 1911 Census the enumerator entered the address as Listers Buildings. One of the occupants wrote Lidster, but it seems likely that Lister is correct. Adrian On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 3:51 PM, Geoff Nicholson <[email protected]> wrote: > > To my ears, and, I suspect, to those of others from the same district, "Lister's" sounds more likely than "Sister's". If that doesn't satisfy you (and of course it shouldn't), then all I can suggest is that you look at either Electoral Rolls or, if from out of area, at a Trade Directory of the period, some of which are available on-line. Many of the older buildings of New Elvet have now been demolished, especially those on the river side of the street, most of which went in the ?1960s, to make way for new university buildings, including lecture rooms and an ugly concrete Student's Union building. > > Geoff Nicholson > > > -----Original Message----- > From: J Malcouronne <[email protected]> > To: northumbria <[email protected]> > Sent: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 10:48 > Subject: [NMB] New Elvet 1883 > > > Hello, Can anyone tell me whether it is 'Sister's Buildings', New Elvet, Durham > or 'Listers Buildings'. > > I am having difficulty reading the copy of my grandmother's birth (b.1883) > certificate that I have just received. > > Many thanks > .. > Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any > reply...... Thank you! > > The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of > the message > > > .. > Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any reply...... Thank you! > > The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

To my ears, and, I suspect, to those of others from the same district, "Lister's" sounds more likely than "Sister's". If that doesn't satisfy you (and of course it shouldn't), then all I can suggest is that you look at either Electoral Rolls or, if from out of area, at a Trade Directory of the period, some of which are available on-line. Many of the older buildings of New Elvet have now been demolished, especially those on the river side of the street, most of which went in the ?1960s, to make way for new university buildings, including lecture rooms and an ugly concrete Student's Union building. Geoff Nicholson -----Original Message----- From: J Malcouronne <[email protected]> To: northumbria <[email protected]> Sent: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 10:48 Subject: [NMB] New Elvet 1883 Hello, Can anyone tell me whether it is 'Sister's Buildings', New Elvet, Durham or 'Listers Buildings'. I am having difficulty reading the copy of my grandmother's birth (b.1883) certificate that I have just received. Many thanks .. Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any reply...... Thank you! The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Could her name have been Margaret Gaddes/Geddes? I'd do a search on that. Wasn't Middlesborough in Yorkshire at that time? margaret On 25/02/2013, at 9:50 AM, C Bridges wrote: > Could anyone help me? Where would a child (Margaret Gatiss/ Gatis) have to > have been born c.1886 to be registered on a census as birthplace > Middlesbrough? I have investigated the usual routes but have been > singularly unsuccessful. Any advice gratefully received. > .. > Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any reply...... Thank you! > > The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Could anyone help me? Where would a child (Margaret Gatiss/ Gatis) have to have been born c.1886 to be registered on a census as birthplace Middlesbrough? I have investigated the usual routes but have been singularly unsuccessful. Any advice gratefully received.

There was also a Wapping at Blyth - not sure whether that was a pit village or not. I'm sure that there must be a link between the pit villages, and the Wapping in Middlesex, which was a key location in the Coal Trade between the North East & London in the 18th & 19th Centuries when these villages were first built. Dave -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Geoff Nicholson Sent: 24 February 2013 16:49 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [NMB] Church of Treby - Wapping Susan & Carole: Of course, I knew there was another Wapping in Co Durham - and should have seized on Wapping near Burnmoor straight away. Both the Northumberland and the Co Durham Wappings were pit villages and some may recall the old folk-song, "Footy against the wa' "once recorded by Owen Brannigan, and referring, I always assume, to the Benton/Shiremoor Wapping - "Now Wapping Square's a tiny place. The hooses are but sma'. But in them yet there's room enough for Footy Agin' the Wa'. There's High Footy and Low Footy and Footy Agin' the Wa' - and when ye get to wor toon end, there's Footy Agin' the Wa' ". I'm not sure about that word "tiny". It may have been "canny" or something else. Having just met my own son and grandson (aged 9), who had both travelled from Derbyshire this morning, for an early lunch in Newcastle before they went off to St James's Park while my wife and I returned home to listen on the radio to a very welcome 4-2 win over Southampton, "Footy agin' the Wa' " is much in my mind ! Geoff Nicholson -----Original Message----- From: Carole Robinson <[email protected]> To: northumbria <[email protected]> Sent: Sun, 24 Feb 2013 15:21 Subject: Re: [NMB] Church of Treby - Wapping The 1841 - 1871 census for my ancestors put Wapping in Newcastle (near to Benton or Long Benton) it was a street of mining cottages near to the railway. There is also a place called Wapping according to the census in Bournmoor, Co Durham (now Tyne and Wear) it is also a mining area. A clue would be what your ancestors occupation was. I wondered where the name Wapping came from ! Carole > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2013 21:30:29 +0000 > Subject: Re: [NMB] Church of Treby - Wapping > > Susan, > > Although I feel sure this request is on the wrong list, I can > understand some confusion regarding Wapping. > > I was thrown off the scent with one of my wife's ancestors born in > Wapping, according to one census. > > When checked, later years gave the place as South Shields. Today > Wapping remains a street parallel with the river near what was called > Comical Corner. It's post code today is NE33 1LQ, > > No doubt some seafarers would know both Wappings. There's a Treby > Street in that area of London, but that seems to have had another name before 1910. > > I was trying to think of any church near the Wapping in South Shields > that might fit - but all my wife's relatives were christened or > married at St Hilda. > > I'm satisfied this query will be answered by looking at the much > larger Wapping by the Thames, not the Tyne. The following webpage may > be of interest; > http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=51375 > > Chris Morgan > > -----Original Message----- > From: Brian Pears > Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2013 2:56 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [NMB] Church of Treby > > Susan C <[email protected]> wrote: > >I am looking for the Church of Treby, thought to be in (or was) in > >Wapping, London. Where can I find information regarding the church? > >Samuel Troutbeck, b. 1700, baptized in Treby (?) 1708. > > Although, in the light of my previous error, I hesitate to query this, > what is the relevance of this question to the list area? > Remember the list covers only the historic counties of Co Durham and > Northumberland. > > Brian > -- > Brian Pears (Joint List Admin - NORTHUMBRIA Mailing List) > > .. > Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post > any reply...... Thank you! > > The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at > http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message .. Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any reply...... Thank you! 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An indication of the growth of Middlesbrough in C19th, is how in 1837 at the BMD registrations introduction, Middlesbrough was included as part of Stockton's registration district. But in 1875 a Middlesbrough RD was started. This included BMDs in Middlesbrough, Eston, Linthorpe and many more surrounding villges and communities. Michael

The Wapping in Blyth was on the quayside, between Sussex St and the river. Many of residents were mariners, adjacent to marine stores, rope makers etc ( 1851 census, page ref 2412-283-12 onwards.) Michael -----Original Message----- From: Dave King <[email protected]> To: northumbria <[email protected]> Sent: Sun, 24 Feb 2013 22:01 Subject: Re: [NMB] Church of Treby - Wapping There was also a Wapping at Blyth - not sure whether that was a pit village or not. I'm sure that there must be a link between the pit villages, and the Wapping in Middlesex, which was a key location in the Coal Trade between the North East & London in the 18th & 19th Centuries when these villages were first built. Dave

Here is the Wapping near Bournmoor: http://tinyurl.com/b3dlh5l

The 1841 - 1871 census for my ancestors put Wapping in Newcastle (near to Benton or Long Benton) it was a street of mining cottages near to the railway. There is also a place called Wapping according to the census in Bournmoor, Co Durham (now Tyne and Wear) it is also a mining area. A clue would be what your ancestors occupation was. I wondered where the name Wapping came from ! Carole > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2013 21:30:29 +0000 > Subject: Re: [NMB] Church of Treby - Wapping > > Susan, > > Although I feel sure this request is on the wrong list, I can understand > some confusion regarding Wapping. > > I was thrown off the scent with one of my wife's ancestors born in Wapping, > according to one census. > > When checked, later years gave the place as South Shields. Today Wapping > remains a street parallel with the river near what was called Comical > Corner. It's post code today is NE33 1LQ, > > No doubt some seafarers would know both Wappings. There's a Treby Street in > that area of London, but that seems to have had another name before 1910. > > I was trying to think of any church near the Wapping in South Shields that > might fit - but all my wife's relatives were christened or married at St > Hilda. > > I'm satisfied this query will be answered by looking at the much larger > Wapping by the Thames, not the Tyne. The following webpage may be of > interest; http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=51375 > > Chris Morgan > > -----Original Message----- > From: Brian Pears > Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2013 2:56 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [NMB] Church of Treby > > Susan C <[email protected]> wrote: > >I am looking for the Church of Treby, thought to be in (or was) in > >Wapping, London. Where can I find information regarding the church? > >Samuel Troutbeck, b. 1700, baptized in Treby (?) 1708. > > Although, in the light of my previous error, I hesitate to query > this, what is the relevance of this question to the list area? > Remember the list covers only the historic counties of Co Durham > and Northumberland. > > Brian > -- > Brian Pears (Joint List Admin - NORTHUMBRIA Mailing List) > > .. > Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any reply...... Thank you! > > The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Susan & Carole: Of course, I knew there was another Wapping in Co Durham - and should have seized on Wapping near Burnmoor straight away. Both the Northumberland and the Co Durham Wappings were pit villages and some may recall the old folk-song, "Footy against the wa' "once recorded by Owen Brannigan, and referring, I always assume, to the Benton/Shiremoor Wapping - "Now Wapping Square's a tiny place. The hooses are but sma'. But in them yet there's room enough for Footy Agin' the Wa'. There's High Footy and Low Footy and Footy Agin' the Wa' - and when ye get to wor toon end, there's Footy Agin' the Wa' ". I'm not sure about that word "tiny". It may have been "canny" or something else. Having just met my own son and grandson (aged 9), who had both travelled from Derbyshire this morning, for an early lunch in Newcastle before they went off to St James's Park while my wife and I returned home to listen on the radio to a very welcome 4-2 win over Southampton, "Footy agin' the Wa' " is much in my mind ! Geoff Nicholson -----Original Message----- From: Carole Robinson <[email protected]> To: northumbria <[email protected]> Sent: Sun, 24 Feb 2013 15:21 Subject: Re: [NMB] Church of Treby - Wapping The 1841 - 1871 census for my ancestors put Wapping in Newcastle (near to Benton or Long Benton) it was a street of mining cottages near to the railway. There is also a place called Wapping according to the census in Bournmoor, Co Durham (now Tyne and Wear) it is also a mining area. A clue would be what your ancestors occupation was. I wondered where the name Wapping came from ! Carole > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2013 21:30:29 +0000 > Subject: Re: [NMB] Church of Treby - Wapping > > Susan, > > Although I feel sure this request is on the wrong list, I can understand > some confusion regarding Wapping. > > I was thrown off the scent with one of my wife's ancestors born in Wapping, > according to one census. > > When checked, later years gave the place as South Shields. Today Wapping > remains a street parallel with the river near what was called Comical > Corner. It's post code today is NE33 1LQ, > > No doubt some seafarers would know both Wappings. There's a Treby Street in > that area of London, but that seems to have had another name before 1910. > > I was trying to think of any church near the Wapping in South Shields that > might fit - but all my wife's relatives were christened or married at St > Hilda. > > I'm satisfied this query will be answered by looking at the much larger > Wapping by the Thames, not the Tyne. The following webpage may be of > interest; http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=51375 > > Chris Morgan > > -----Original Message----- > From: Brian Pears > Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2013 2:56 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [NMB] Church of Treby > > Susan C <[email protected]> wrote: > >I am looking for the Church of Treby, thought to be in (or was) in > >Wapping, London. Where can I find information regarding the church? > >Samuel Troutbeck, b. 1700, baptized in Treby (?) 1708. > > Although, in the light of my previous error, I hesitate to query > this, what is the relevance of this question to the list area? > Remember the list covers only the historic counties of Co Durham > and Northumberland. > > Brian > -- > Brian Pears (Joint List Admin - NORTHUMBRIA Mailing List) > > .. > Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any reply...... Thank you! > > The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message .. Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any reply...... Thank you! The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Fran: Once one has exhausted the information available in the census (earliest useful one, 1841) and in civil registration certificates (earliest ones 1837), that is when what I would consider the "real" research begins! Certainly it is, to me, the most interesting research. There are numerous sources available, of which Electoral Registers are one, but not really a very important one. That is because before the 1832 Reform Act - and even for a long time after it - very few people had the vote and hence very few were on the Electoral Registers, which, in any case, only began to be issued in 1832. Before then (and indeed up to the start of the secret ballot after 1868, we have to use Poll Books, published after an election, which listed all those who actually did vote, and who they voted for. Again, there were few voters compared with nowadays, so unless one's family were property owners, or fwell into certain other categories, such as parish clerks, they will not appear. Other sources include: C of E Parish Registers (probably the main source), other church registers (eg Methodist, Presbyterian, Independent, Roman Catholic, etc), Monumental Inscriptions (ie gravestones), Probate Records (Wills, Administration Bonds, Probate Inventories, etc), Deeds, Tithe records, apprenticeship records, Army, Navy and Militia records, newspapers, etc, etc, most of which are the sort of thing to be found in County Record Offices, rather than on-line, though most Record Offices have good on-line catalogues. You will also need to develop the ability to "read between the lines", insofar as what you will find is odd references to people as they went through whatever their life held for them, rather than "on a plate" statements of their family (census information) or full details of important events (birth, marriage or death, as on certificates). If you are unfamiliar with the range of available sources, then I would recommend you to either take one of the various "Beginners' Courses", on offer all over the UK and, as far as I can tell, all over the English-speaking world. You should also buy, and read, a good modern "How-to-do-it" text book, in which all those sources will be explained. However I see that your specific question related to 1931, and so is not all that early. While definitely not "before the census", it is actually, as far as the ordinary researcher is concerned, "after the census" in that the hundred-year rule means that the latest available census is the 1911 one. I would try Trade or Street Directories, and/or telephone directories before Electoral Registers. Both can often be found in local reference libraries. Trade Directories, which tended to turn into street directories as the 20th century went on, and then become telephone directories (and Yellow Pages) as first businesses and then gradually private houses had telephones installed, are easier to search then Electoral Registers (also known as Electoral Rolls, Burgess Rolls, Voters' Lists and various similar names) tend to be arranged by Constituency, then Ward, then Polling District, then street, with houses in "as you come to them" order, which can mean a great deal of tedious searching if you aren't familiar with them or don't know all those details of the address. Also the runs of them in local libraries are often incomplete. You have to be careful, to distinguish between Local Election Rolls and Parliamentary Election Rolls, also between Spring Rolls (no, not a menu option!) and Autumn Rolls. You should also look out for Absent Voters' Lists (1918, 1919), which could help trace a WWI soldier. Don't forget the on-line facilities to obtain birth, marriage or death certificate and also, if the cost is prohibitive, the availability of FreeBMD on-line, which can be excellent for elimination purposes. Good hunting! Geoff Nicholson -----Original Message----- From: knight frances <[email protected]> To: NORTHUMBRIA <[email protected]> Sent: Fri, 22 Feb 2013 20:08 Subject: [NMB] Search Hello Folks what is available to search for a person before the census, ie electoral registers? who keeps them? I am looking for a Alex Deeley who I believe sold second hand furniture around 1930. I am hoping my father is there with him name of Reginald Mallett. Fran .. Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any reply...... Thank you! The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

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Hi: There seem to be Spurs and Spours in the mix as well. They crop up in various local documents Good luck Bruce Dodd, Ottawa -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Charles Atkinson Sent: 22-Feb-13 4:46 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [NMB] Frederick Smith and Margaret Spoors. Thank you Heather for your offer. I was surprised to see how many Smiths and Spoors were living in the Sunderland area at the turn of the century and I know that I will need all the help I can get to stay on the track of the right families. Charles Atkinson, Niagara Falls, Canada. At 08:54 AM 22/02/2013 -0600, you wrote: >Hello Charles >When you get the marriage certificate, I may be able to help with the >SPOORS side of the family. >I have a large data base of SPOOR and SPOORS, including quite a few >Margarets of the right age in the Sunderland area. Once you know her >father it is easier to narrow down possibilities > >Heather .. Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any reply...... Thank you! The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Folks what is available to search for a person before the census, ie electoral registers? who keeps them? I am looking for a Alex Deeley who I believe sold second hand furniture around 1930. I am hoping my father is there with him name of Reginald Mallett. Fran

Thank you Heather for your offer. I was surprised to see how many Smiths and Spoors were living in the Sunderland area at the turn of the century and I know that I will need all the help I can get to stay on the track of the right families. Charles Atkinson, Niagara Falls, Canada. At 08:54 AM 22/02/2013 -0600, you wrote: >Hello Charles >When you get the marriage certificate, I may be able to help with the >SPOORS side of the family. >I have a large data base of SPOOR and SPOORS, including quite a few >Margarets of the right age in the Sunderland area. Once you know her >father it is easier to narrow down possibilities > >Heather

Hi Folks, Some time ago I raised a query as to whether anyone knew of the location of the above, which I last saw around 1980. It has taken a number of years, and much perserverance, but transcripts have now been rediscovered, and these are available on CD to study at Hartlepool Central Library given about 24 hours notice. Unfortunately, there is still no sign of the originals. Apparently they only narrowly avoided the skip in the 1970s, so it would be a tragedy if they have been lost for good this time, so it's always worth asking whether anyone on the group has any knowledge (although all the obvious places have already been tried). For information, the transcripts contain: . Volume 1, book 1 : dates from 1587 to 1710. Title page reads "HARTLEPOOL RECORDS. A transcription of Miscellaneous records bound into a ledger and dating from Tudor times". Contains Late 16th century births and deaths, town accounts, oaths, and mayoral annual financial accounts for each year between 1600 and 1638. . Volume 1, book 2 : dates from 1635 to 1760. much like the first. Mayors accounts 1647 to 1701 (incomplete), and apprentice indentures 1668 to 1760. . Volume 1, book 3. dates from 1599 to 1699. a full transcription of the Orders in Council of 1599 (the Town's rules and regulations partially recounted by Cuthbert Sharp) with all its additions for the next 100 years. This must be a copy of the original "Town Council rulebook" started after the Charter of Elizabeth 1st in 1599. Its full of information as it details all 110 by-laws of the 17th century town. . Volume 1, book 4; 1679 to 1712. A continuation of book 3, mainly burgesses and apprentices. . Volume 2, book 5. Court Rolls in Latin dating from between 1679 to 1718. These are the lists of the verdicts of court leet cases held in the town. . Volume 2, book 6. More Court Rolls but starting to be recorded in English. dating from 1714 to 1767. Also more town records, lists of Burgesses, apprentices, land rents, accounts. Book 7 and Book 8 are apprentice indenture records from 1715 to 1755. Dave

Hi Gen Sounds like a good idea, Will do so next time I am up there Cheers Mike -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of gen listlass Sent: 22 February 2013 05:04 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [NMB] Stamfordham Parish Records MikeI would look at the Woodhorn holdings for the FALCUS/FAWCUS family. They might have been written up by one of the good local historians. There are collections of pedigrees which are good for early dates like yours. Gen in NBL England > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2013 10:37:55 +0000 > Subject: Re: [NMB] Stamfordham Parish Records > > Hi Gen > This is what I have. The only marriage of a Barbara/Barbry to a Falcus/Fawcus is Robert Facus to Barbry Stodert 26.6.166 in STAMFORDHAM, Robert Facus dies 1685 leaving his widow free to marry George Straker in 1686 in Pontelan (adjacent to Stamfordham). As there are children baptised to Robert in Stamfordham 16567-1673 then I suspected that my John of 1673 should also fit in there! > > Thanks for any assistance > > Mike > > > > I was chasing up the Warkworth Falcus/Fawcus and seeing how they fit in when I found a deposition from William Straker of Warkworth setting out his pedigree from John Fawcus of Warkworth, carpenter. Dated 4th March 1735/6. > "John Fawcus of Warkworth, carpenter, aged 62 years .....This deponent can the better depose as to his knowledge of the said George [Straker] for that he marryed this deponent's mother to his second wife". > A small family tree shows that > "George Straker = 2nd ... mother of John Fawcus of Warkworth, carpenter". > Note that the name of the mother is not quoted but a Georgius Straker (Catholic?) married Barbara Faucas 15.7.1686 in Ponteland. "Barbara" was not a common name and the only marriage I can find for a "Barbara" to a Falcus/Fawcus prior to 1686 would be Robert Facus and Barbry Stodert 26.6.1666 Stamfordham and it would appear that there is the death of Robert Facus 19.5.1685 of Kirkly, which would leave his widow Barbara free to remarry after 1685. > It would appear that Robert Facus had at least the following children all baptised in Stamfordham > Issabelle 31.03.1667 > Roger 04.07.1669 > Elizabeth daughter of Robert, buried 14.1.1672 > Thomas 14.09.1673 > I though perhaps there might be one missing! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of gen listlass > Sent: 21 February 2013 03:32 > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [NMB] Stamfordham Parish Records > > > > After reading Geoff's post about surname variations, I remembered there is a local farmer who is called Fawcus but often known as Fowkie! Maybe that is just the way his friends refer to him but it may be yet another variation? > What reason do you have to believe your man came from Stamfordham? What details do you have that are proved already? > Gen in NBL England > > Hi Gen > > Many thanks for your time and trouble. Looks like I have to search elsewhere. Maybe Ponteland > > > > Thank you > > > > Mike Fairless > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: gen listlass <[email protected]> > > To: northumbria <[email protected]> > > Sent: Wed, 20 Feb 2013 15:34 > > Subject: Re: [NMB] Stamfordham Parish Records > > > > > > Hello Michael > > > > I checked the transcripts for the Stamfordham registers (Microfilm M1123) at > > Woodhorn this morning and there are no entries for a > > > > John Fawcus/Falcus etc baptism in the PR > > > > John Fawcus/etc to an Ann marriage in the PR > > > > There are plenty with this surname BUT none of the ones you seek. > > > > Gen in NBL England > > > > > > .. > Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any reply...... Thank you! > > The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message .. Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any reply...... Thank you! The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message