Hi Julia Your answer perhaps :- Sunderland Daily Echo and Shipping Gazette Saturday 18 February 1899 The Stormy Weather Boat capsized off the Tyne A Fisherman drowned Yesterday morning two North Shields Fishermen, A REED and John LAKE, proceeded to sea in their small boat to haul in their fishing nets. When about a mile from land a heavy squall caught the sail and capsized the boat. REED swam about for nearly half an hour, and was then picked up by the trawler Andrew Bain utterly exhausted. LAKE sank and was drowned. The latter leaves a wife and three children. The likely reason you are unable to find the death registered is two fold, first deaths at sea are registered in a separate index for that purpose, a different index to the GRO transcript on freebmd, but as his body does not appear to have been recovered there would not be a death registered There might be an inquest but I found no mention of one Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 12/03/2013 09:15, Julia Say wrote: > One of my husband's gt-grandfathers, John LAKE appears on the 1891 > census in North Shields as a fisherman > > RG 12 4229 18 30 5 Adamsons Buildings > > John Lake 46 Fisherman born Norfolk, Ingeraham (probably Ingham, near > Happisburgh) > Elizabeth LAKE 38 Wife born Durham > Edwin LAKE 2 Son > > That he was a fisherman accords with family history stories, which go on > to say he was lost at sea. > > The 1901 census gives: > > RG 13 4799 17 25 2 Liddell St (4 other families in same house) > > Lizzie LAKE 39 Widow Charwoman born Tow Law > Edward 13 Son North Shields > Dorothy A Lake 10 Dau N. S. > Sarah LAKE 5 Dau N. S > > I can find no appropriate death registrations for John on Free BMD: > would local papers in the 1895-1900 era be the next port of call to find > out what happened? Were such deaths recorded, and if so, where? > > If anyone recognises this family, I'd be delighted to hear from you: > Dorothy Lake married Owen NORTON in 1913 and is the family of direct > interest. > > Edward LAKE married McKIE, Sarah LAKE married ANDERSON in case of any > lateral connections. > > Thanks for any suggestions or sightings. > > Julia

Your are so right, Heather. A child in my JOHNSON family appears in the Bellingham baptism register as Alexander CORK Johnson instead of Alexander KIRK Johnson for the same reason! Cheers Pat =================================== Mrs Pat Pierpoint Hon. Secretary and Genealogy Officer Clan Johnston/Johnstone Association (U.K.) =================================== > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of > Heather A Punshon > Sent: 12 March 2013 01:13 > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [NMB] Wright and Hord > > Hi Adrian > With a Geordie accent HIRD and HURD could be pronounced HORD > > Heather > > Can anyone suggest what other names might have got written as HORD? > > .. -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. SPAMfighter has removed 12882 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len Do you have a slow PC? Try a Free scan http://www.spamfighter.com/SLOW-PCfighter?cid=sigen

One of my husband's gt-grandfathers, John LAKE appears on the 1891 census in North Shields as a fisherman RG 12 4229 18 30 5 Adamsons Buildings John Lake 46 Fisherman born Norfolk, Ingeraham (probably Ingham, near Happisburgh) Elizabeth LAKE 38 Wife born Durham Edwin LAKE 2 Son That he was a fisherman accords with family history stories, which go on to say he was lost at sea. The 1901 census gives: RG 13 4799 17 25 2 Liddell St (4 other families in same house) Lizzie LAKE 39 Widow Charwoman born Tow Law Edward 13 Son North Shields Dorothy A Lake 10 Dau N. S. Sarah LAKE 5 Dau N. S I can find no appropriate death registrations for John on Free BMD: would local papers in the 1895-1900 era be the next port of call to find out what happened? Were such deaths recorded, and if so, where? If anyone recognises this family, I'd be delighted to hear from you: Dorothy Lake married Owen NORTON in 1913 and is the family of direct interest. Edward LAKE married McKIE, Sarah LAKE married ANDERSON in case of any lateral connections. Thanks for any suggestions or sightings. Julia

One of my 6th-g.grandparents were the couple Robert WRIGHT and his wife Ann. I have been unable to find their marriage but there is a Marriage Bond on Familysearch which must be them, showing that Robert WRIGHT was to marry Ann HORD. Robert was of Sedgefield, Ann was not given a residence, and the guarantor was Marmaduke Chapman, of Norton. The Bond was dated 8th May 1691, and the first child of this marriage was born in Sedgefield and baptised May 31 1692, followed by another 5 baptisms in Sedgefield; the family then seemed to move to Bishop Middleham. There is an oddity about the marriages recorded in Sedgefield (I have only seen transcriptions) - they appear to go in fits and starts. In 1691 they jump from 24th Feb 1690/1691 to four starting 9th June 1691, then seven in November, then no more until April 1692. This makes me wonder whether all marriages were entered in the register, so that Robert/Ann may have been wed after all in Sedgefireld, as would seem likely. I have looked for a marriage in adjoining parishes, and for any sign of a family named HORD. Because Robert was from Sedgefield it seems possible that Ann was fron Norton, where the guarantor lived. HORD does not exist as a name in the records anywhere as far as I can see, so it must be something else. ORD seems the most obvious but I can't find any in the right area. Can anyone suggest what other names might have got written as HORD? Adrian

Hi Adrian With a Geordie accent HIRD and HURD could be pronounced HORD Heather Can anyone suggest what other names might have got written as HORD?

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Hello Charles Sorry but your Margaret SPOORS born 1894 father Robert do not appear in my data base yet. Most of my SPOORS are from Tyneside, so I may not have gathered all the ones from Sunderland. If you find out any more information I would love to add it to the data base. There is a Margaret Caroline SPOORS born in Sunderland, birth registered in the Dec Q of 1893 ref 10a 614 It might be worth buying that certificate, but stipulate that the father has to be Robert, if you want to save money. Also, Margaret should be on the 1901 and 1911 censuses, possibly with her family and Robert possibly with a wife should be on the 1891 and may also be found in 1881 and 1871 depending on the age given in 1901 Do let me know if you find out anything more Heather ********************* Charles wrote >I now have the certificate for the marriage on 15 October 1913 in the Sunderland Register Office by licence showing Margaret SPOORS as a spinster, age 19, no occupation stated (blank), address 15 Parade, Sunderland, father Robert SPOORS, shipyard labourer. Witnesses were Robert SPOORS (the father most likely) and Robert LAWRENCE (the groom's brother-in-law)

Heather - you kindly offered any relevant information in your SPOORS database to aid my investigation into the ancestors of the Margaret SPOORS cited in the marriage of Fred SMITH to Margaret SPOORS in Sunderland. I now have the certificate for the marriage on 15 October 1913 in the Sunderland Register Office by licence showing Margaret SPOORS as a spinster, age 19, no occupation stated (blank), address 15 Parade, Sunderland, father Robert SPOORS, shipyard labourer. Witnesses were Robert SPOORS (the father most likely) and Robert LAWRENCE (the groom's brother-in-law) Any relevant information on the ancestry of Margaret SPOORS would be most welcome and I would be happy to exchange information with you if you need any new information that I can uncover. Regards Charles Atkinson, Niagara Falls, Canada. At 08:54 AM 22/02/2013 -0600, you wrote: >Hello Charles >When you get the marriage certificate, I may be able to help with the >SPOORS side of the family. >I have a large data base of SPOOR and SPOORS, including quite a few >Margarets of the right age in the Sunderland area. Once you know her >father it is easier to narrow down possibilities > >Heather

Thank you Russ for your help will have a look t the website. Regards Yvonne Sent from my iPad On 6 Mar 2013, at 20:37, Russ Hogg <[email protected]> wrote: > Yvonne, > > This website, about Scotswood, refers to Hare Street: > > http://www.culture24.org.uk/places+to+go/london/tra24127 > > And this one, also about Scotswood, mentions Greenhow Terrace: > > http://www.bpears.org.uk/NE-Diary/Inc/ISeq_16.html > > Regards, > > Russ > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Yvonne > Sent: 06 March 2013 20:08 > To: [email protected] > Subject: [NMB] Streets in Newcastle > > >

Yvonne, This website, about Scotswood, refers to Hare Street: http://www.culture24.org.uk/places+to+go/london/tra24127 And this one, also about Scotswood, mentions Greenhow Terrace: http://www.bpears.org.uk/NE-Diary/Inc/ISeq_16.html Regards, Russ -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Yvonne Sent: 06 March 2013 20:08 To: [email protected] Subject: [NMB] Streets in Newcastle

Hello,   I have come across two streets in Newcastle that I am not familiar with.   The first is Back Hare Street, Newcastle (written on 1911 census) and the second is Greenhow Terrace, Newcastle in 1931.   Are these streets still current and if so where about?    Regards Yvonne

"David Scott" <[email protected]> wrote: >I for one bow to y0oujr superior knowledge. My geography of the two >counties is nil, but the circumstances of Bilton Bank seemed to fit. >How wrong can I be! David The problem with Bilton Bank is that it was 40 miles north of Dunston, far too far for kids to cycle, and it was in the opposite direction to Whickham and Lobley Hill. Also Bilton Bank Colliery was closed in 1925 - no disaster, just closed. The village remained until 1937 when the houses were condemned and the villagers were moved out. There was no emergency evacuation however, and certainly no reason to abandon furniture. Brian -- Brian Pears (Joint List Admin - NORTHUMBRIA Mailing List)

Geoff, I for one bow to y0oujr superior knowledge. My geography of the two counties is nil, but the circumstances of Bilton Bank seemed to fit. How wrong can I be! David Scott. -----Original Message----- From: Geoff Nicholson - Email Address: [email protected] Sent On: 06/03/2013 11:10 Sent To: [email protected] - Email Address: [email protected] Subject: Re: [NMB] coal mining village Heather: I doubt whether it was Bilton Bank, as we are looking for a village within easy cycling distence of Dunston, in the general direction of Whickham - ie southwards. While there were numerous pit villages which were abandoned and ultmately demolished once the pit closed, including those condemned under Durham County Council's unpopular "Category D" policy in the 1950s and 1960s, it would be rare indeed for the houses to be left with furniture still inside, as if the abandonment was a rushed emergency job. Occasionally, perhaps, a family would want to dispose of their furniture if moving to a nice modern house, or if the last occupant had been a single old person who was going to be taken in by the next generation, whose house was already full with their own furniture, and if it was not anticipated that the old stuff would bring anything worthwhile if sold second-hand, then it, or some of it, might have been left behind for that reason. It was not unknown for a pit village to fall victim to mining subsidence, however, but that would usually be a slow process. Even the grand houses of the coal-owners were not immune. Examples in the cycling range we are looking at might include Gibside Hall and Ravensworth Castle. Personally, I suspect that what the children had found was not a pit village at all but was Ravensworth Castle, situated within the Wall of the Ravensworth Estate, and from where its furniture was eventually sold off. If not Ravensworth and not Gibside, then I'm afraid the story of "there having been a disaster in the village" does not really help identify it, as that applied to very, very many of our local pit villages. Geoff Nicholson -----Original Message----- From: heather <[email protected]> To: northumbria <[email protected]> Sent: Wed, 6 Mar 2013 3:00 Subject: [NMB] coal mining village A social history question. . . . . Talking to my 90 year old aunt about her childhood, and she is telling me about some time in the 1930s. She and her school friends used to bicycle ride from Dunston to Whickham and beyond - perhaps in the direction of Lobley Hill. Somewhere there was a mining village where there had been a mining disaster. The whole village had been evacuated and the houses had been just left complete with furniture. They used to play on the slag heaps after climbing over a wall which was built to keep people out, and explore the empty houses. Once her mother discovered where they had been playing, they were forbidden to go there as it was too dangerous. Does anyone have any idea what village this might have been? Heather .. Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any reply...... Thank you! The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message .. Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any reply...... Thank you! The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1430 / Virus Database: 2641/5651 - Release Date: 03/05/13

Further to my earlier suggestion that the "village" might have been Ravensworth Castle, this quote from "Romantic Ravensworth", by Clarence R Walton (1950), may be relevant. "Lord Ravensworth died in November 1919, and the following year there was held within the castle's noble walls an extensive sale when furniture, china, bronzes, manuscripts and books and many art treasures changed possession" "Gerald Wellesley, the sixth Baron, left Ravensworth to live at Eslington Park, near Alnwick, and the castle became but a romantic picture of the past. For a short while it was used as a High School for young ladies, then its doors were closed and this stately old pile was left to Time's ravage and decay. Robert Arthur Liddell, the seventh Lord Ravensworth, who succeeded to the title in June, 1932, decided in 1936 to pull the castle down and to erect in its place a model village from the stone and valuable oak timbers. "This act aroused the indignation of all lovers of beautiful Britain who accused his lordship of vandalism. Lord Ravensworth replied to his critics in the local Press revealing that through the workings of a 30-acre coalfield beneath, the castle was beginning to sink, and that huge cracks were appearing in its walls. The castle was no longer tenantable, and his intention to pull it down ..... was a wise one." In fact, while most of Ravensworth Castle was demolished, a few fragments still remain. These seem to be the older parts of the structure - the mediaeval tower(s) from which the castle "grew". Today, of course, the whole building, which was a fine and huge residential "Palace", rather than a military castle, would have been protected by being listed, but that was not so in the 1930s. The scheme to build houses there, like many a planner's pipe-dream, came to nothing and the remains are now largely surrounded by woodland. If only the danger had been perceived in time, and if the owners had had the necessary will to protect their house, they could have done what an earlier Lord Lambton did to protect Lambton Castle (another Victorian non-castle) only a few miles away. There the offending coal workings were entered underground and packed with bricks, made in Lambton's own brickworks, attached to his coal mines. It took millions of bricks to do the job, but they worked, and Lambton Castle still survives and I understand that, after years of 20th century neglect it is again the home of the current head of that family, while the Liddells, Earls of Ravensworth, are still exiled in Eslington. If the "village" was indeed Ravensworth Castle, then it seems that it was perhaps furniture left over from the school which the young cyclists discovered in the 1930s. Geoff Nicholson -----Original Message----- From: Geoff Nicholson <[email protected]> To: northumbria <[email protected]> Sent: Wed, 6 Mar 2013 11:32 Subject: Re: [NMB] coal mining village Heather: I doubt whether it was Bilton Bank, as we are looking for a village within easy cycling distence of Dunston, in the general direction of Whickham - ie southwards. While there were numerous pit villages which were abandoned and ultmately demolished once the pit closed, including those condemned under Durham County Council's unpopular "Category D" policy in the 1950s and 1960s, it would be rare indeed for the houses to be left with furniture still inside, as if the abandonment was a rushed emergency job. Occasionally, perhaps, a family would want to dispose of their furniture if moving to a nice modern house, or if the last occupant had been a single old person who was going to be taken in by the next generation, whose house was already full with their own furniture, and if it was not anticipated that the old stuff would bring anything worthwhile if sold second-hand, then it, or some of it, might have been left behind for that reason. It was not unknown for a pit village to fall victim to mining subsidence, however, but that would usually be a slow process. Even the grand houses of the coal-owners were not immune. Examples in the cycling range we are looking at might include Gibside Hall and Ravensworth Castle. Personally, I suspect that what the children had found was not a pit village at all but was Ravensworth Castle, situated within the Wall of the Ravensworth Estate, and from where its furniture was eventually sold off. If not Ravensworth and not Gibside, then I'm afraid the story of "there having been a disaster in the village" does not really help identify it, as that applied to very, very many of our local pit villages. Geoff Nicholson -----Original Message----- From: heather <[email protected]> To: northumbria <[email protected]> Sent: Wed, 6 Mar 2013 3:00 Subject: [NMB] coal mining village A social history question. . . . . Talking to my 90 year old aunt about her childhood, and she is telling me about some time in the 1930s. She and her school friends used to bicycle ride from Dunston to Whickham and beyond - perhaps in the direction of Lobley Hill. Somewhere there was a mining village where there had been a mining disaster. The whole village had been evacuated and the houses had been just left complete with furniture. They used to play on the slag heaps after climbing over a wall which was built to keep people out, and explore the empty houses. Once her mother discovered where they had been playing, they were forbidden to go there as it was too dangerous. Does anyone have any idea what village this might have been? Heather .. Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any reply...... Thank you! The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message .. Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any reply...... Thank you! The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Could it be Bilton Bank? The following quote reports:- "Longdyke Colliery was abandoned in August of 1925 but the village remained. In 1937 the houses at Bilton Banks, owned at that time by the Duke of Northumberland, were inspected under the provisions of the Housing Act 1925. The Inspector, after a detailed survey of the properties, concluded that the houses should be condemned and the occupants re-housed. However, many survived into the 1950s before finally being demolished." David Scott.

Heather: I doubt whether it was Bilton Bank, as we are looking for a village within easy cycling distence of Dunston, in the general direction of Whickham - ie southwards. While there were numerous pit villages which were abandoned and ultmately demolished once the pit closed, including those condemned under Durham County Council's unpopular "Category D" policy in the 1950s and 1960s, it would be rare indeed for the houses to be left with furniture still inside, as if the abandonment was a rushed emergency job. Occasionally, perhaps, a family would want to dispose of their furniture if moving to a nice modern house, or if the last occupant had been a single old person who was going to be taken in by the next generation, whose house was already full with their own furniture, and if it was not anticipated that the old stuff would bring anything worthwhile if sold second-hand, then it, or some of it, might have been left behind for that reason. It was not unknown for a pit village to fall victim to mining subsidence, however, but that would usually be a slow process. Even the grand houses of the coal-owners were not immune. Examples in the cycling range we are looking at might include Gibside Hall and Ravensworth Castle. Personally, I suspect that what the children had found was not a pit village at all but was Ravensworth Castle, situated within the Wall of the Ravensworth Estate, and from where its furniture was eventually sold off. If not Ravensworth and not Gibside, then I'm afraid the story of "there having been a disaster in the village" does not really help identify it, as that applied to very, very many of our local pit villages. Geoff Nicholson -----Original Message----- From: heather <[email protected]> To: northumbria <[email protected]> Sent: Wed, 6 Mar 2013 3:00 Subject: [NMB] coal mining village A social history question. . . . . Talking to my 90 year old aunt about her childhood, and she is telling me about some time in the 1930s. She and her school friends used to bicycle ride from Dunston to Whickham and beyond - perhaps in the direction of Lobley Hill. Somewhere there was a mining village where there had been a mining disaster. The whole village had been evacuated and the houses had been just left complete with furniture. They used to play on the slag heaps after climbing over a wall which was built to keep people out, and explore the empty houses. Once her mother discovered where they had been playing, they were forbidden to go there as it was too dangerous. Does anyone have any idea what village this might have been? Heather .. Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any reply...... Thank you! The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

A social history question. . . . . Talking to my 90 year old aunt about her childhood, and she is telling me about some time in the 1930s. She and her school friends used to bicycle ride from Dunston to Whickham and beyond - perhaps in the direction of Lobley Hill. Somewhere there was a mining village where there had been a mining disaster. The whole village had been evacuated and the houses had been just left complete with furniture. They used to play on the slag heaps after climbing over a wall which was built to keep people out, and explore the empty houses. Once her mother discovered where they had been playing, they were forbidden to go there as it was too dangerous. Does anyone have any idea what village this might have been? Heather

Hi Folks I know this is not strictly speaking a proper query for this board but as some of you maybe doing the same thing I thought you might advise me. I am making a board using fridge magnets of my descendants, a kind of tree in the opposite direction to the usual one. My query is should this be just blood relations or should 'step' children/grandchildren etc be included? Fran

Frances: As you are doing this for yourself, and as anything made with fridge magnets is hardly likely to survive longer than, say, your own life-time, if that, it is entirely up to you what you include. Put them in if you want to: leave them out if you want to. No-one is going to criticise you whatever you do! I suspect the governing factors will be - "Who is likely to see it?" and "What will they think?". After all, you presumably won't want to fall out with the family over this, will you? One thing's for sure - there are no rules about this! Geoff Nicholson -----Original Message----- From: Mark Todd <[email protected]> To: northumbria <[email protected]> Sent: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 11:21 Subject: Re: [NMB] Advice My step-grandfather lived before the days of fridge magnets but in the 'Book of the Family' which he compiled and left to us he included all of u, making clear the actual parentage of each entry. --- On Thu, 28/2/13, knight frances <[email protected]> wrote: From: knight frances <[email protected]> Subject: [NMB] Advice To: [email protected] Date: Thursday, 28 February, 2013, 11:07 Hi Folks I know this is not strictly speaking a proper query for this board but as some of you maybe doing the same thing I thought you might advise me. I am making a board using fridge magnets of my descendants, a kind of tree in the opposite direction to the usual one. My query is should this be just blood relations or should 'step' children/grandchildren etc be included? Fran .. Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any reply...... Thank you! The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message .. Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any reply...... Thank you! The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

My step-grandfather lived before the days of fridge magnets but in the 'Book of the Family' which he compiled and left to us he included all of u, making clear the actual parentage of each entry. --- On Thu, 28/2/13, knight frances <[email protected]> wrote: From: knight frances <[email protected]> Subject: [NMB] Advice To: [email protected] Date: Thursday, 28 February, 2013, 11:07 Hi Folks I know this is not strictly speaking a proper query for this board but as some of you maybe doing the same thing I thought you might advise me. I am making a board using fridge magnets of my descendants, a kind of tree in the opposite direction to the usual one. My query is should this be just blood relations or should 'step' children/grandchildren etc be included? Fran .. Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any reply...... Thank you! The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message