Karen Lynn <[email protected]> wrote: >In this case, as you already know that Robert's mother's maiden name is >Burnside, you can _probably_ assume that that _is_ where George got his >middle name from ... rather than from his own mother, particularly as >you seem to already know that Robert Ainslie married Ann Ewing. Please don't cross-post to two lists as you did here. When subscribers do that it can cause problems with replies from people who belong to one list but not the other. If you want your message to go to two lists, post to each separately and use copy and paste to put the same text in each. Brian -- Brian Pears (Joint List Admin - NORTHUMBRIA Mailing List)

Hi Amanda High Pit was located just west of the St. Anthony's Brickwork's. If you look at a modern day map it was in the vicinity of the junction of Bird's Nest Road and Monkchester Road. I'm using a 1912 map with no street names in the vicinity so I can only estimate. St. Anthony of Padua is not there (my childhood church). That is located about a mile away. St. Anthony's church was on Belmont street and I'd guess the victims were buried at Walker Christchurch. Best regards David -----Original Message----- From: dampnr <[email protected]> To: northumbria <[email protected]> Sent: Mon, 18 Mar 2013 19:22 Subject: [NMB] 1853 Byker cholera victim Hello all - I had an ancestor perish in the 1853 cholera epidemic. She was a widow, residing on the 1851 census at an area of Byker called St. Anthony High Pit. I would like to know the following: 1. If there is an old map showing this street? 2. If cholera victims were buried in their parish churchyards or if there may have been alternate arrangements for these unfortunate souls. ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2904 / Virus Database: 2641/6180 - Release Date: 03/15/13

Dear Geoff, You have the wrong churches for St. Anthony's Parish. The parish church is St. Anthony of Egypt C of E, Belmont Street opened in 1868. St Anthony of Padua RC, Byker Street,(now called Phillipson Street), Walker opened 1860. Walker Parish Church, which is Christ Church, situated Church Street, Walker opened in 1848. So there is a likelihood that any Cholera deaths in St. Anthony's Parish could of been buried in Christ Church's graveyard. As for High Pit, it was situated roughly at the Junction of St. Anthony's Road and Wharrier Street. John Walker, Newcastle upon Tyne [email protected] http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~littleblobby/ http://www.freewebs.com/littleblobby/

I have noted this practice among my Temple ancestors of Northumberland in the 1700's and 1800's. Mike Temple. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Geoff Nicholson" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2013 12:45 PM Subject: Re: [NMB] Naming the culprit? > > This thread gives rise to several points, all to do with English > practice as opposed to Scottish or to that of N America. In the 19th > century and before (and probably for some time after) Scots tended to use > the mother's maiden name as a second Christian name, and it was probably > the large Scottish element in the emigrants to N America, especially to > Canada, which took that practice over there. Likewise the practice of > married ladies continuing to use their maiden surname along with their > husband's after marriage. Both those things are common in Scotland and in > N America but rare in England. > > Another source of misunderstanding is the baptism entries made during > the "Barrington Period" (1798-1812), when Shute Barrington, Bishop of > Durham insisted on very detailed entries of baptism be made in all parish > registers within his Diocese, corresponding roughly with the two counties > of Northumberland and Co Durham (minus Hexhamshire and plus Alston). The > maiden surname of the mother was recorded in all cases but it was often > not only put into the main body of the entry, where she would be described > as "Mary Jones" - and sometimes as "Mary Jones, daughter of John Jones" > but was also noted alongside the father's surname, making it seem that it > had been used as a "second Christian Name" when probably it actually > hadn't. The confusion was probably made worse by the otherwise excellent > transcripts made by Herbert Maxwell Wood in c1890-c1910, where he also > "brought out" the mother's maiden name and put it alongside the surname, > as in the registers. Some of the Wood tra! > nscripts were typed up, and others were eventually printed, by the DNPRS, > which makes that layout seem more "official" and therefore "correct". As > I understand it, it was the Wood transcripts wich were used, at first > anyway, for the old LDS "Computer File Index" or CFI, which became the > International Genealogical Index or IGI. I cannot help feeling, however, > that it was usually all just the whim of the clerk, he trying to conform > to Barrington's instructions and that the person themselves may not have > known about it and so never actually used that version of their name in > adult life. > > Geoff Nicholson > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Susan C <[email protected]> > To: northumbria <[email protected]> > Sent: Mon, 18 Mar 2013 20:46 > Subject: Re: [NMB] Naming the culprit? > > > Hello everyone, > > I thought the middle name (someone's last name) was to honor the godfather > or > grandparent....I am having the same problem of an ancestor b. 1827, but in > Scotland, and searching for him in Northumbria (marriage, UK Merchant's > Navy > Seaman Records, deaths, etc.). I have an idea that he may have kept the > last > name and changed the middle name, or not have a middle name. Which makes > it a > real challenge. > > Susan > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Alan <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Monday, March 18, 2013 12:35 PM > Subject: Re: [NMB] Naming the culprit? > > In my tree in one instance I have six siblings in total comprising of both > males and females and every one of them has their mothers maiden name in > with in theirs. > No I am not trying to claim a record here it is simply a case of a fact. > Alan. > > -----Original Message----- > From: knight frances > Sent: Monday, March 18, 2013 6:10 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [NMB] Naming the culprit? > > Hi Folks > my mum was given her 'real' fathers name as a middle name, she never knew > him and to me it seems pointless. It is no good for those of us doing our > family tree, there is no way you can contact a family whose deceased > relative fits the bill and ask for information about them, so you're > stuck. > Fran > > > > On 18 March 2013 15:06, JohnH <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> Given the propensity of mothers of illegitimate children to include the >> putative father's surname as a middle name I was interested to see the >> following in the baptisms for Earsdon >> >> Fenwick Vickerson Kell son Susana Kell (singlewoman) bap 12 Jun 1824 by >> Rev >> Henry Waikman. The date of birth is given but the year difficult to read, >> probably born 25 Oct 1818?. The Rev. Waikman had been performing baptisms >> since well before that time. >> >> John Heckels >> >> .. >> Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any >> reply...... Thank you! >> >> The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at >> http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > .. > Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any > reply...... Thank you! > > The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at > http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > .. > Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any > reply...... 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Hi Susan, In this case, as you already know that Robert's mother's maiden name is Burnside, you can _probably_ assume that that _is_ where George got his middle name from ... rather than from his own mother, particularly as you seem to already know that Robert Ainslie married Ann Ewing. But middle names can derive in many ways, so it pays to be open minded: My grandfather is Edward Crosby Collett. When I finally saw his full birth certificate, it confirmed his mother's maiden name was Crosby, and that his father's name was Sydney Slater Collett. So I assumed that Sydney's mother's maiden name must be Slater. But it was Little. So I looked for a male Little - female Slater marriage and couldn't find one. The mystery was solved once I looked at her birth certificate: her father's name was Slater Little: Sydney was given his maternal grandfather's forename as a second name. And now I have another mystery: why did he get given Slater as his first given name? So I suppose the important bits are: although naming patterns can be useful, also be open-minded, they may not even persist over two generations ... and wherever possible, check the original documents! Karen On 19 March 2013 14:08, Susan C <[email protected]> wrote: > Thank you Geoff, > > > It is interesting the history of naming a child with the mother's maiden > name. The research in tracing the family with more than one name is not > too easy. For example: > > Robert Ainslie - Ann Ewing > > > George Burnside Ainslie b. 1827 > > So now, must I look for George's mother as Ann Burnside? Roberts' parents > were: > > > George Ainslie - Isabel Burnside. > > > This is why I thought George's (b. 1827) middle name, Burnside, was named > after his grandparents on his mother's side. > >

I have been searching for the 1954 Earsdon Electoral Roll. I thought it might be in the North Shields library under 'Tynemouth' but that was an abortive search. Can anyone tell me which ward it would have been in in 1954 and where I can find copies now Thank you Mike Fairless

Ok, thank you for that.  And to Brian, I will post my inquiries separately, thanks.  Susan ________________________________ From: Brian Pears <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2013 11:19 AM Subject: Re: [NMB] [DUR-NBL] The Second Name Karen Lynn <[email protected]> wrote: >In this case, as you already know that Robert's mother's maiden name is >Burnside, you can _probably_ assume that that _is_ where George got his >middle name from ... rather than from his own mother, particularly as >you seem to already know that Robert Ainslie married Ann Ewing. Please don't cross-post to two lists as you did here. When subscribers do that it can cause problems with replies from people who belong to one list but not the other. If you want your message to go to two lists, post to each separately and use copy and paste to put the same text in each. Brian -- Brian Pears (Joint List Admin - NORTHUMBRIA Mailing List) .. Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any reply...... Thank you! The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello You may find this interesting (and it has maps) http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/NBL/Cholera/ Ingrid On 19/03/2013, at 7:41 AM, [email protected] wrote: > > > Hello all - > > I had an ancestor perish in the 1853 cholera epidemic. > > > She was a widow, residing on the 1851 census at an area of Byker > called St. Anthony High Pit. > > I would like to know the following: > > 1. > If there is an old map showing this street? > > 2. If cholera victims were > buried in their parish churchyards or if there may have been alternate > arrangements for these unfortunate souls. > > Kind regards, > > Amanda > .. > Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post > any reply...... Thank you! > > The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message

This thread gives rise to several points, all to do with English practice as opposed to Scottish or to that of N America. In the 19th century and before (and probably for some time after) Scots tended to use the mother's maiden name as a second Christian name, and it was probably the large Scottish element in the emigrants to N America, especially to Canada, which took that practice over there. Likewise the practice of married ladies continuing to use their maiden surname along with their husband's after marriage. Both those things are common in Scotland and in N America but rare in England. Another source of misunderstanding is the baptism entries made during the "Barrington Period" (1798-1812), when Shute Barrington, Bishop of Durham insisted on very detailed entries of baptism be made in all parish registers within his Diocese, corresponding roughly with the two counties of Northumberland and Co Durham (minus Hexhamshire and plus Alston). The maiden surname of the mother was recorded in all cases but it was often not only put into the main body of the entry, where she would be described as "Mary Jones" - and sometimes as "Mary Jones, daughter of John Jones" but was also noted alongside the father's surname, making it seem that it had been used as a "second Christian Name" when probably it actually hadn't. The confusion was probably made worse by the otherwise excellent transcripts made by Herbert Maxwell Wood in c1890-c1910, where he also "brought out" the mother's maiden name and put it alongside the surname, as in the registers. Some of the Wood transcripts were typed up, and others were eventually printed, by the DNPRS, which makes that layout seem more "official" and therefore "correct". As I understand it, it was the Wood transcripts wich were used, at first anyway, for the old LDS "Computer File Index" or CFI, which became the International Genealogical Index or IGI. I cannot help feeling, however, that it was usually all just the whim of the clerk, he trying to conform to Barrington's instructions and that the person themselves may not have known about it and so never actually used that version of their name in adult life. Geoff Nicholson -----Original Message----- From: Susan C <[email protected]> To: northumbria <[email protected]> Sent: Mon, 18 Mar 2013 20:46 Subject: Re: [NMB] Naming the culprit? Hello everyone, I thought the middle name (someone's last name) was to honor the godfather or grandparent....I am having the same problem of an ancestor b. 1827, but in Scotland, and searching for him in Northumbria (marriage, UK Merchant's Navy Seaman Records, deaths, etc.). I have an idea that he may have kept the last name and changed the middle name, or not have a middle name. Which makes it a real challenge. Susan ________________________________ From: Alan <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Monday, March 18, 2013 12:35 PM Subject: Re: [NMB] Naming the culprit? In my tree in one instance I have six siblings in total comprising of both males and females and every one of them has their mothers maiden name in with in theirs. No I am not trying to claim a record here it is simply a case of a fact. Alan. -----Original Message----- From: knight frances Sent: Monday, March 18, 2013 6:10 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [NMB] Naming the culprit? Hi Folks my mum was given her 'real' fathers name as a middle name, she never knew him and to me it seems pointless. It is no good for those of us doing our family tree, there is no way you can contact a family whose deceased relative fits the bill and ask for information about them, so you're stuck. Fran On 18 March 2013 15:06, JohnH <[email protected]> wrote: > Given the propensity of mothers of illegitimate children to include the > putative father's surname as a middle name I was interested to see the > following in the baptisms for Earsdon > > Fenwick Vickerson Kell son Susana Kell (singlewoman) bap 12 Jun 1824 by > Rev > Henry Waikman. The date of birth is given but the year difficult to read, > probably born 25 Oct 1818?. The Rev. Waikman had been performing baptisms > since well before that time. > > John Heckels > > .. > Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any > reply...... Thank you! > > The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at > http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > .. 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Hi listers, I have ancestors who were victims of the disease, this link is the history of how cholera spread and how Europe and the UK tried to get a handle on the disease, it's good reading. http://www.historyhome.co.uk/peel/p-health/cholera3.htm Susan ________________________________ From: Geoff Nicholson <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2013 5:21 AM Subject: Re: [NMB] 1853 Byker cholera victim Amanda:     Unfortunately the "cholera map" to which Ingrid refers you covers only Gateshead.  St Anthony's is well to the east of Byker and for a map dating from about 1853 you will need the 1st edition of the Ordnance Survey, whihc is probably from some time int he late 1850s.  The lalrger scale versions of that (25 inch and  better) should name the steets.  Otherwise you could use the Godfrey editions (see www.ndfhs.org.uk or else at least one of the tables at any family history fair this year) which are reduced copies of, usually, the second edition of c1895.  They have been reduced to about 15 inches to the mile, which is still quite clear.     Cholera victims were usually buried in parish churchyards as at the time they were still usually the only burial places in existence.  The Municipal Cemeteries Act had not yet been passed and although there were a handful of private cemeteries (two in Newcastle - Jesmond Old Cemetery and Westgate Cemetery) they were too expensive for most of the cholera victims.  Another possibility is the Ballast Hills cemetery in the Ouseburn valley, mainly used by non-C of E people.  It was considerably cheaper than either of the private ones and even cheaper than the churchyard, while not being quite so insanitary.     St Anthony's church was not built for many years after the 1850s.  The district took its name from a picture of St Anthony which used to be displayed in her window by a wealthy Roman Catholic lady whose house overlooked the river.  St Anthony (of Padua) is the Patron Saint of sailors and she wanted it to be seen by those on ships heading down the river to go out to sea.  Anyone dying in St Anthony's before the church was built, and seeking burial in the C of E would have been buried in either Newcastle All Saints churchyard or else in St Ann's churchyard (St Ann's was a parochial chapelry of All Saints.  I'm not sure when the various Byker parishes were formed but in any case they did not have churchyards assosiated with them (so were probably formed after the Cemeteries Act).     As a very long shot you could also look at the records of Walker churchyard.  Walker parish was formed out of that of Longbenton in the late 1840s and its church was probably closer to St Anthony's than was St Ann's or All Saints - even close, perhaps than the Ballast Hills.  At one time - and perhaps yet - Walker churchyard was in the Guinness Book of Records" as the biggest in the country, but I think that was only after it was extended much later on.                                             Geoff Nicholson -----Original Message----- From: dampnr <[email protected]> To: northumbria <[email protected]> Sent: Mon, 18 Mar 2013 19:22 Subject: [NMB] 1853 Byker cholera victim Hello all - I had an ancestor perish in the 1853 cholera epidemic. She was a widow, residing on the 1851 census at an area of Byker called St. Anthony High Pit. I would like to know the following: 1. If there is an old map showing this street? 2. If cholera victims were buried in their parish churchyards or if there may have been alternate arrangements for these unfortunate souls. Kind regards, Amanda .. Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any reply...... Thank you! The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message .. Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any reply...... Thank you! The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Amanda: Unfortunately the "cholera map" to which Ingrid refers you covers only Gateshead. St Anthony's is well to the east of Byker and for a map dating from about 1853 you will need the 1st edition of the Ordnance Survey, whihc is probably from some time int he late 1850s. The lalrger scale versions of that (25 inch and better) should name the steets. Otherwise you could use the Godfrey editions (see www.ndfhs.org.uk or else at least one of the tables at any family history fair this year) which are reduced copies of, usually, the second edition of c1895. They have been reduced to about 15 inches to the mile, which is still quite clear. Cholera victims were usually buried in parish churchyards as at the time they were still usually the only burial places in existence. The Municipal Cemeteries Act had not yet been passed and although there were a handful of private cemeteries (two in Newcastle - Jesmond Old Cemetery and Westgate Cemetery) they were too expensive for most of the cholera victims. Another possibility is the Ballast Hills cemetery in the Ouseburn valley, mainly used by non-C of E people. It was considerably cheaper than either of the private ones and even cheaper than the churchyard, while not being quite so insanitary. St Anthony's church was not built for many years after the 1850s. The district took its name from a picture of St Anthony which used to be displayed in her window by a wealthy Roman Catholic lady whose house overlooked the river. St Anthony (of Padua) is the Patron Saint of sailors and she wanted it to be seen by those on ships heading down the river to go out to sea. Anyone dying in St Anthony's before the church was built, and seeking burial in the C of E would have been buried in either Newcastle All Saints churchyard or else in St Ann's churchyard (St Ann's was a parochial chapelry of All Saints. I'm not sure when the various Byker parishes were formed but in any case they did not have churchyards assosiated with them (so were probably formed after the Cemeteries Act). As a very long shot you could also look at the records of Walker churchyard. Walker parish was formed out of that of Longbenton in the late 1840s and its church was probably closer to St Anthony's than was St Ann's or All Saints - even close, perhaps than the Ballast Hills. At one time - and perhaps yet - Walker churchyard was in the Guinness Book of Records" as the biggest in the country, but I think that was only after it was extended much later on. Geoff Nicholson -----Original Message----- From: dampnr <[email protected]> To: northumbria <[email protected]> Sent: Mon, 18 Mar 2013 19:22 Subject: [NMB] 1853 Byker cholera victim Hello all - I had an ancestor perish in the 1853 cholera epidemic. She was a widow, residing on the 1851 census at an area of Byker called St. Anthony High Pit. I would like to know the following: 1. If there is an old map showing this street? 2. If cholera victims were buried in their parish churchyards or if there may have been alternate arrangements for these unfortunate souls. Kind regards, Amanda .. Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any reply...... Thank you! The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you Geoff, It is interesting the history of naming a child with the mother's maiden name.  The research in tracing the family with more than one name is not too easy.  For example:         Robert Ainslie  -  Ann Ewing                  George Burnside Ainslie  b. 1827 So now, must I look for George's mother as Ann Burnside?  Roberts' parents were:               George Ainslie - Isabel Burnside.   This is why I thought George's (b. 1827) middle name, Burnside, was named after his grandparents on his mother's side.    

In my tree in one instance I have six siblings in total comprising of both males and females and every one of them has their mothers maiden name in with in theirs. No I am not trying to claim a record here it is simply a case of a fact. Alan. -----Original Message----- From: knight frances Sent: Monday, March 18, 2013 6:10 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [NMB] Naming the culprit? Hi Folks my mum was given her 'real' fathers name as a middle name, she never knew him and to me it seems pointless. It is no good for those of us doing our family tree, there is no way you can contact a family whose deceased relative fits the bill and ask for information about them, so you're stuck. Fran On 18 March 2013 15:06, JohnH <[email protected]> wrote: > Given the propensity of mothers of illegitimate children to include the > putative father's surname as a middle name I was interested to see the > following in the baptisms for Earsdon > > Fenwick Vickerson Kell son Susana Kell (singlewoman) bap 12 Jun 1824 by > Rev > Henry Waikman. The date of birth is given but the year difficult to read, > probably born 25 Oct 1818?. The Rev. Waikman had been performing baptisms > since well before that time. > > John Heckels > > .. > Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any > reply...... Thank you! > > The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at > http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > .. Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any reply...... Thank you! The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Oops sorry everybody my last message was sent out in error so please ignore it. You probably would have done this regardless of this follow up as it did not make any sense anyway. No I cannot spell can I. Alan. -----Original Message----- From: Alan Sent: Monday, March 18, 2013 6:14 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [NMB] Naming the culprit? Having read over it many times. My opinion of it is theat it is possibly correct of have I misinterpotated the point in question. -----Original Message----- From: JohnH Sent: Monday, March 18, 2013 3:06 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [NMB] Naming the culprit? Given the propensity of mothers of illegitimate children to include the putative father's surname as a middle name I was interested to see the following in the baptisms for Earsdon Fenwick Vickerson Kell son Susana Kell (singlewoman) bap 12 Jun 1824 by Rev Henry Waikman. The date of birth is given but the year difficult to read, probably born 25 Oct 1818?. The Rev. Waikman had been performing baptisms since well before that time. John Heckels .. Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any reply...... Thank you! The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Having read over it many times. My opinion of it is theat it is possibly correct of have I misinterpotated the point in question. -----Original Message----- From: JohnH Sent: Monday, March 18, 2013 3:06 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [NMB] Naming the culprit? Given the propensity of mothers of illegitimate children to include the putative father's surname as a middle name I was interested to see the following in the baptisms for Earsdon Fenwick Vickerson Kell son Susana Kell (singlewoman) bap 12 Jun 1824 by Rev Henry Waikman. The date of birth is given but the year difficult to read, probably born 25 Oct 1818?. The Rev. Waikman had been performing baptisms since well before that time. John Heckels .. Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any reply...... Thank you! The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Folks my mum was given her 'real' fathers name as a middle name, she never knew him and to me it seems pointless. It is no good for those of us doing our family tree, there is no way you can contact a family whose deceased relative fits the bill and ask for information about them, so you're stuck. Fran On 18 March 2013 15:06, JohnH <[email protected]> wrote: > Given the propensity of mothers of illegitimate children to include the > putative father's surname as a middle name I was interested to see the > following in the baptisms for Earsdon > > Fenwick Vickerson Kell son Susana Kell (singlewoman) bap 12 Jun 1824 by Rev > Henry Waikman. The date of birth is given but the year difficult to read, > probably born 25 Oct 1818?. The Rev. Waikman had been performing baptisms > since well before that time. > > John Heckels > > .. > Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any > reply...... Thank you! > > The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at > http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello John - a minor spelling correction - the name is WARKMAN, a variation from WORKMAN. The Rev. Henry WARKMAN was my GG grandtather. He succeeded his father, the Rev. William WARKMAN in 1811. Father and son were Vicars of Earsdon from 1768 to 1857 when Henry died. His 3 surviving sons chose to become Engineers. One died in Melbourne, Australia, another in Brooklyn, New York and the third in Elswick, Newcastle. Charles Atkinson, Niagara Falls, Canada. At 03:06 PM 18/03/2013 +0000, you wrote: >Given the propensity of mothers of illegitimate children to include the >putative father's surname as a middle name I was interested to see the >following in the baptisms for Earsdon > >Fenwick Vickerson Kell son Susana Kell (singlewoman) bap 12 Jun 1824 by Rev >Henry Waikman. The date of birth is given but the year difficult to read, >probably born 25 Oct 1818?. The Rev. Waikman had been performing baptisms >since well before that time. > >John Heckels

Given the propensity of mothers of illegitimate children to include the putative father's surname as a middle name I was interested to see the following in the baptisms for Earsdon Fenwick Vickerson Kell son Susana Kell (singlewoman) bap 12 Jun 1824 by Rev Henry Waikman. The date of birth is given but the year difficult to read, probably born 25 Oct 1818?. The Rev. Waikman had been performing baptisms since well before that time. John Heckels

Hello all - I had an ancestor perish in the 1853 cholera epidemic. She was a widow, residing on the 1851 census at an area of Byker called St. Anthony High Pit. I would like to know the following: 1. If there is an old map showing this street? 2. If cholera victims were buried in their parish churchyards or if there may have been alternate arrangements for these unfortunate souls. Kind regards, Amanda

Hello everyone, I thought the middle name (someone's last name) was to honor the godfather or grandparent....I am having the same problem of an ancestor b. 1827, but in Scotland, and searching for him in Northumbria (marriage, UK Merchant's Navy Seaman Records, deaths, etc.).  I have an idea that he may have kept the last name and changed the middle name, or not have a middle name.  Which makes it a real challenge.  Susan   ________________________________ From: Alan <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Monday, March 18, 2013 12:35 PM Subject: Re: [NMB] Naming the culprit? In my tree in one instance I have six siblings in total comprising of both males and females and every one of them has their mothers maiden name in with in theirs. No I am not trying to claim a record here it is simply a case of a fact. Alan. -----Original Message----- From: knight frances Sent: Monday, March 18, 2013 6:10 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [NMB] Naming the culprit? Hi Folks my mum was given her 'real' fathers name as a middle name, she never knew him and to me it seems pointless. It is no good for those of us doing our family tree, there is no way you can contact a family whose deceased relative fits the bill and ask for information about them, so you're stuck. Fran On 18 March 2013 15:06, JohnH <[email protected]> wrote: > Given the propensity of mothers of illegitimate children to include the > putative father's surname as a middle name I was interested to see the > following in the baptisms for Earsdon > > Fenwick Vickerson Kell son Susana Kell (singlewoman) bap 12 Jun 1824 by > Rev > Henry Waikman. The date of birth is given but the year difficult to read, > probably born 25 Oct 1818?. The Rev. Waikman had been performing baptisms > since well before that time. > > John Heckels > > .. > Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any > reply...... Thank you! > > The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at > http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > .. Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any reply...... Thank you! The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message .. Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any reply...... Thank you! The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message