Yes Chris the aunt was supposedly born in Jersey but there is no trace of her. Forget Marie as there is no way of finding her, she is the mothers name on birth and baptism cert. nothing else known about her. Fran ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Morgan " <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 10:25 PM Subject: Re: [NMB] Birth Certificate > I'm confused, or maybe just a bit thick tonight! Are we being asked to > trace > the birth certificate for Beatrice Mary Golven? Or maybe her > daughter/niece > Marie Guegen? Or her unnamed son? > > My reading seems to suggest Beatrice was born and married in Jersey, but > no > trace of either event can be found there. Unknown son was also born in > Jersey. From my own research I've been unable to get internet or esay > access to Jersey BMD records. Marie Guegan certainly sounds like a Jersey > resident. > > Edward Alexander Deeley was in the South Staffordshire Regiment and > married > Beatrice. He appears to have been born in Stratford? That could be > Stratford > on Avon, or Stratford in the current London Borough of Newham - or may it > be > Stafford? There are big differences between these locations. > > In my 1951 Kelly's Directory of Newcastle there are no listings for the > surnames Golven, Guegan or Deeley. > > Whatever, I'm unsure which event in Northumbria we're attempting to track. > > Chris Morgan > > -----Original Message----- > From: knight frances > Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 9:59 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [NMB] Birth Certificate > > Hello Folks > John has suggested I put my problem on the site so I will try to keep it > short. > My father was born in Jersey to a Marie Guegan, no father mentioned, all I > have is his birth and baptism certificate.I have no more till he met and > married my mum in Newcastle in 1932 > He was living and working with a couple who had a tailors shop in Westgate > Road. He called this couple Aunt and Uncle. According to their marriage > cert. The lady Beatrice Mary Golven was born in Jersey. The couple married > in Jersey. The Uncle had been a soldier in the South Stafforshire > Regiment, > invalided out in 1918, they married in 1917. He was born and raised in > Stratford, his name was Edward Alexander Deeley. > I have searched in Jersey and the UK for a birth certificate for her, from > her death cert. with her age on she was born around 1890. > Sorry couldn't summarize any better. > Fran > .. > Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any > reply...... Thank you! > > The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at > http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > .. > Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any > reply...... Thank you! > > The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at > http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Sorry folks for the confusion. I am seeking a birth certificate for Beatrice Mary Golven, her marriage details say she was born in Jersey but they have no trace of her. She is/was my only link to possible relatives of my father. Born about 1890 and married Edward Alexander Deeley in 1917 in Jersey. I don't know when they came to the UK but my father seems to have come with them. The Aunt spoke with an accent which I presumed was French. Fran

I too have a lost at sea relative; my great-grandfather David Morrison. Unfortunately there are many of that name in the Newcast-upon-Tyne area. My David was born August 7, 1850, Byker, Newcastle-upon-Tyne. Parents James & Jane Morrison; James a shipwright. David moved with his family to Tranmere, Cheshire. Married Ellen Bolton, Tranmere, Cheshire. His father and brother were also tug men in Liverpool and his father worked as a shipwright in Newcastle before moving to Tranmere. Last record of him I have found was on the 1871 census aboard tug 'Merry Andrew', Albert Dock, Liverpool, Lancashire. Wife Ellen was pregnant with their son at th the time her husband was lost at sea and their son was born April 7, 1875 after his father's death and she named him David. That name continues in our family to this day. I tracked down the ship, 'Calcutta', Official No. 50711 with a David Morrison aboard and lost at sea as follows: Crew Agreement, Maritime History Archive, Memorial University of Newfoundland. David Morrison, age 20. Born Newcastle-upon-Tyne. Address 8 Copland Terrace. (I found a Copland Terrace in Newcastle on the Google map). He served as an able-bodied seaman and his previous vessel was the Lady Allan. He joined the Calcutta on July 7, 1874 and was 'supposed drowned at sea' on September 17, 1874. I also have a copy of the Belfast News Letter, Ireland of January 6, 1875 reporting in their article two boats were launched during the disaster of fire on board, one boat survived and the names of the men on the missing boat as being Captain Patching, his son; Wallace, mate; John Smith, seaman; David Morrison, seaman; the cook, steward, sailmaker and five seamen whose names were not remembered by those of the 'Calcutta' who arrived at Greenock on the 'Tennyson'. The report stated the Calcutta sailed out of Newcastle so I don't know for sure if this David Morrison is my great-grandfather as at that time he lived in Tranmere working out of Liverpool but the ship's owners were of Liverpool so maybe the ship went there before sailing out. I have had a response from the Maritime History Archive at the University and they have the crew agrement, which I can have a copy of but I'm not yet convinced this is my great-grandfather given the age being younger by 4 years and address. All I have from my mother is that my great-grandfather died at sea; a cousin said his mother told him it happened off the coast of Wales. I have even looked for a tug going down off the west coast of England or Wales but no luck as yet. Any suggestions? Many thanks Angie (Canada)

Pat: I could well be wrong, but as far as my experience goes, I have never heard of there being any such obligation on clergy, who conduct burials in their own churchyards. The burial register is indeed usually all one gets. Indeed, I am in a similar position myself - I know my great grandfather, Isaac Nicholson, was buried in Greenside churchyard, near Ryton, in 1906. I have seen the burial register (before it was even deposited, never mind microfilmed) and was delighted to note that the plot number was given in the margin for all burials around that time. However, when I asked for a map/key to discover which plot number was where, I was told that it had been lost for many years ! Yes, I know that all I need to do is to compare the burial plot numbers with those for burials on the MIs (which have been recorded), and that should allow me to deduce how the numbers "run". That is definitely on my list of things to do - "one day" ! Geoff Nicholson -----Original Message----- From: Pat Pierpoint <[email protected]> To: [email protected] com <[email protected]> Sent: Sat, 23 Mar 2013 11:47 Subject: [NMB] Church Graveyard Records - Ashington Can anyone please advise me about the obligation of churches to keep records of where individuals are buried in their cemeteries? I am not enquiring about civil cemeteries, only church cemeteries. I am presently doing some research for an elderly lady who would like to visit her grandmother's grave and pay her respects but is becoming distressed because we cannot find the grave. We know for sure that her grandmother, Margaret Bowe, is buried in the graveyard at Holy Sepulchre, Ashington - the death was 29 Jan 1908 and the burial 01 Feb 1908. However, there is no mention of a plot number on the burial records and sadly there does not appear to be a gravestone (the M.I.s have been recorded and I have consulted these to no avail). I have asked at the Church Office and they do not have a plot book, and there is no sign of one at Northumberland Archives at Woodhorn. I have tried various avenues to guess where the burial may have been. The two people who did the M.I.s have kindly given me information on those who died and were buried at Holy Sepulchre the week before and the week after, in case the burials were close together, however only two of them have a gravestone and they appear to be buried in different areas of the graveyard. One of them is, however, buried in the section that seems to cover the period 1900-1920. Would the church have been obliged to keep a record of who was being buried where? At the moment I don't even know if such a record exists - and before I rattle any more cages I need to get my facts straight! Many thanks Cheers Pat ======================== Mrs Pat Pierpoint Publicity Officer - NDFHS Email: [email protected] or [email protected] ======================== _____ I am using the Free version of SPAMfighter <http://www.spamfighter.com/len> . SPAMfighter has removed 12984 of my spam emails to date. Do you have a slow PC? <http://www.spamfighter.com/SLOW-PCfighter?cid=sigen> Try a free scan! .. Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any reply...... Thank you! The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have no idea about what the obligation is, but I know from experience that in many cases churches don't have records, or if they do don't know where they are.  On the other hand, in many cases local residents have spent many hours preparing lists which can often be obtained from the area's FHS.  As I guess you've also found, sometimes friable gravestones have been allowed to deteriorate so it is no longer possible to read what was written on them. --- On Sat, 23/3/13, Pat Pierpoint <[email protected]> wrote: From: Pat Pierpoint <[email protected]> Subject: [NMB] Church Graveyard Records - Ashington To: "[email protected] com" <[email protected]> Date: Saturday, 23 March, 2013, 11:45 Can anyone please advise me about the obligation of churches to keep records of where individuals are buried in their cemeteries? 

Heather Punshon <[email protected]> wrote: >My grandmother Margaret Harwood died in June 1961 in Dunston (address >10 Moore Avenue, Dunston, Gateshead 11). She was 74. I had been >given to understand that she died at home. I had expected this to be >registered in Gateshead, but the only record I have found is in Durham >North West. Is this likely to be the correct one? Heather Dunston was in Gateshead Registration District from 1837-1938 and from 1974 to the present. Between those dates it was in Durham North Western Registration District. Brian -- Brian Pears (Joint List Admin - NORTHUMBRIA Mailing List)

knight frances <[email protected]> wrote: >My father was born in Jersey to a Marie Guegan, no father mentioned, >all I have is his birth and baptism certificate.I have no more till he >met and married my mum in Newcastle in 1932 Fran If, as seems very likely, Marie was born in Jersey, then you need to post this to a more appropriate list. We cover only the counties of Northumberland and Co Durham on NORTHUMBRIA. Try http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/UK/CHANNEL-ISLANDS.html Brian -- Brian Pears (Joint List Admin - NORTHUMBRIA Mailing List)

Fran You could try http://www.jerseyheritage.org/research-centre if he was born over there. Like Chris, I am somewhat confused as to what exactly we are looking for where, but it is late on a Friday night! Regards, Fee

Firstly, Please confirm your father's name? DoB, Place of Birth? There was a Marie GUEGAN in Jersey that is possibly the right age and may be his mother, Marie GUEGAN [24], born abt 1887, in France, and living in Hilgrove Yard St Helier, Jersey, on the 1911c. Regards, Fee -----Original Message----- From: knight frances Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 9:59 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [NMB] Birth Certificate Hello Folks John has suggested I put my problem on the site so I will try to keep it short. My father was born in Jersey to a Marie Guegan, no father mentioned, all I have is his birth and baptism certificate.I have no more till he met and married my mum in Newcastle in 1932 He was living and working with a couple who had a tailors shop in Westgate Road. He called this couple Aunt and Uncle. According to their marriage cert. The lady Beatrice Mary Golven was born in Jersey. The couple married in Jersey. The Uncle had been a soldier in the South Stafforshire Regiment, invalided out in 1918, they married in 1917. He was born and raised in Stratford, his name was Edward Alexander Deeley. I have searched in Jersey and the UK for a birth certificate for her, from her death cert. with her age on she was born around 1890. Sorry couldn't summarize any better. Fran .. Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any reply...... Thank you! The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I'm confused, or maybe just a bit thick tonight! Are we being asked to trace the birth certificate for Beatrice Mary Golven? Or maybe her daughter/niece Marie Guegen? Or her unnamed son? My reading seems to suggest Beatrice was born and married in Jersey, but no trace of either event can be found there. Unknown son was also born in Jersey. From my own research I've been unable to get internet or esay access to Jersey BMD records. Marie Guegan certainly sounds like a Jersey resident. Edward Alexander Deeley was in the South Staffordshire Regiment and married Beatrice. He appears to have been born in Stratford? That could be Stratford on Avon, or Stratford in the current London Borough of Newham - or may it be Stafford? There are big differences between these locations. In my 1951 Kelly's Directory of Newcastle there are no listings for the surnames Golven, Guegan or Deeley. Whatever, I'm unsure which event in Northumbria we're attempting to track. Chris Morgan -----Original Message----- From: knight frances Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 9:59 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [NMB] Birth Certificate Hello Folks John has suggested I put my problem on the site so I will try to keep it short. My father was born in Jersey to a Marie Guegan, no father mentioned, all I have is his birth and baptism certificate.I have no more till he met and married my mum in Newcastle in 1932 He was living and working with a couple who had a tailors shop in Westgate Road. He called this couple Aunt and Uncle. According to their marriage cert. The lady Beatrice Mary Golven was born in Jersey. The couple married in Jersey. The Uncle had been a soldier in the South Stafforshire Regiment, invalided out in 1918, they married in 1917. He was born and raised in Stratford, his name was Edward Alexander Deeley. I have searched in Jersey and the UK for a birth certificate for her, from her death cert. with her age on she was born around 1890. Sorry couldn't summarize any better. Fran .. Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any reply...... Thank you! The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Folks John has suggested I put my problem on the site so I will try to keep it short. My father was born in Jersey to a Marie Guegan, no father mentioned, all I have is his birth and baptism certificate.I have no more till he met and married my mum in Newcastle in 1932 He was living and working with a couple who had a tailors shop in Westgate Road. He called this couple Aunt and Uncle. According to their marriage cert. The lady Beatrice Mary Golven was born in Jersey. The couple married in Jersey. The Uncle had been a soldier in the South Stafforshire Regiment, invalided out in 1918, they married in 1917. He was born and raised in Stratford, his name was Edward Alexander Deeley. I have searched in Jersey and the UK for a birth certificate for her, from her death cert. with her age on she was born around 1890. Sorry couldn't summarize any better. Fran

OK, will do. Fran On 22 March 2013 19:38, John Gallon <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Folks > can someone tell me if CWGC would have the wife of a soldiers details? ie > her birthplace etc.? I am stuck on my family tree and details of a > particular relative could help. I have tried all the sites with no luck. > Her marriage cert., says she was born in Jersey but even a paid search > can't find her. > Fran > > Dear Fran, > > Sorry the answer is no. Why not put the details on this site & see what the > listers can find out for you? > > John. > > .. > Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any > reply...... Thank you! > > The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at > http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I've just seen the new opening hours for many museum and gallery venues in Newcastle. Just in case you are planning a visit to the archives at TWAS Tyne and Wear Archive Services (TWAS) have reduced their opening hours: Monday CLOSEDTuesday - Friday 10am - 4pmSaturday CLOSEDSunday CLOSED For all the changes see http://www.twmuseums.org.uk/latest/news/changes-to-opening-hours.html Gen in NBL England

Hi Folks can someone tell me if CWGC would have the wife of a soldiers details? ie her birthplace etc.? I am stuck on my family tree and details of a particular relative could help. I have tried all the sites with no luck. Her marriage cert., says she was born in Jersey but even a paid search can't find her. Fran Dear Fran, Sorry the answer is no. Why not put the details on this site & see what the listers can find out for you? John.

Hi Folks can someone tell me if CWGC would have the wife of a soldiers details? ie her birthplace etc.? I am stuck on my family tree and details of a particular relative could help. I have tried all the sites with no luck. Her marriage cert., says she was born in Jersey but even a paid search can't find her. Fran

Thanks very much, Brian Heather >> Dunston was in Gateshead Registration District from 1837-1938 and from 1974 to the present. Between those dates it was in Durham North Western Registration District. Brian

Just getting a little confused with registration districts and hoping someone can clarify. My grandmother Margaret Harwood died in June 1961 in Dunston (address 10 Moore Avenue, Dunston, Gateshead 11). She was 74. I had been given to understand that she died at home. I had expected this to be registered in Gateshead, but the only record I have found is in Durham North West. Is this likely to be the correct one? Would this indicate that she didn't die at home, but was taken to a hospital somewhere out of the Gateshead district? Thanks for any ideas. Heather

My 1st Cousin 1 times removed Beatrice (Beatie) Forster nee Carney owned and managed a Newsagents and General Store in Brunswick Village in the early to mid 1950’s. Beatrice actually lived in Lesbury Gardens, Wideopen with her husband George and mother Emma Carney nee Viney, Beatrice also had a son George. Is there still any one around that remembers this store or better still does anybody have photographs of it? Who knows with a big bit of luck one of you may even remember seeing me at around plus or minus 11 years old being in the shop whilst I was holidaying in Wideopen. Out of curiosity I have just googled Brunswick Village and it doesn’t look like a village now. The A1 used to run through Wideopen this was always called The Great North Road in those days. I see the former Great North Road is now the B1318. Lesbury Gardens and Rothbury Gardens do not seem to have changed much. I see the Cinima is now a Grocers and Bakery. I simply did not recognise much of any of it, to me that is sad. There again that is supposed progress for you. Alan.

John: Perhaps I didn't put it clearly enough, but when I referred to St Anthony opf Padua I was referring to the patron Saint of sailors, not to the church of St Anthony's. Given the truth of my story about the lady with the picture, it is not surprising that the local RC church is St Anthony's. Nor, given that the district in general was already known as St Anthony's, It is not surprising that the C of E parish church should also be St Anthony's (but, to maintain a separation from the Catholics, a different St Anthony!). Similarly, my reference to Walker parish church was precisely because it was founded before the time in question. I remember looking around the churchyard in the dark days of the 1970s, when MI recording meant trying to get around as many sites as possible before vandal Vicars cleared them to create lawns which would make for pretty wedding photos. To speed that up we only took notice of stones dating from before 1851 as anyone who lived after that would be recorded on the 1851 census. I found, I think, two pre-1851 stones only, and both were in what was obviously the original part of the churchyard, a modest area close to the church. Do you still go regularly to Tyne & Wear Archives? - I have been going on Tuesdays recently - or are you organising a punitive raid on Wigan? Geoff Nicholson -----Original Message----- From: John Gallon <[email protected]> To: northumbria <[email protected]> Sent: Tue, 19 Mar 2013 16:17 Subject: Re: [NMB] 1853 Byker cholera victim Dear Geoff, You have the wrong churches for St. Anthony's Parish. The parish church is St. Anthony of Egypt C of E, Belmont Street opened in 1868. St Anthony of Padua RC, Byker Street,(now called Phillipson Street), Walker opened 1860. Walker Parish Church, which is Christ Church, situated Church Street, Walker opened in 1848. So there is a likelihood that any Cholera deaths in St. Anthony's Parish could of been buried in Christ Church's graveyard. As for High Pit, it was situated roughly at the Junction of St. Anthony's Road and Wharrier Street. John Walker, Newcastle upon Tyne [email protected] http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~littleblobby/ http://www.freewebs.com/littleblobby/ .. Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any reply...... Thank you! The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

re.= my mum was given her 'real' fathers name as a middle name, she never knew him and to me it seems pointless. It is no good for those of us doing our family tree, there is no way you can contact a family whose deceased relative fits the bill and ask for information about them, so you're stuck. My Father James Leslie Armstrong Davis was illegitimate the only son of Matilda Davis born 1914 in Gateshead and a orphan at 2 1/2 years old, By going to where he lived and talking to the neibours I was able to find = his farther Leslie Armstrong was away fighting for the duration of the 1st w war he married 10 years later and raised 4 children, do not give up I have only found one person that did not wish to contact me in 20 years of family history the rest were over joyed and still in contact Howard Davis in Rutland