There were baptisms in the Ryton Holy Cross but as Winlaton Mill and adjacent areas but would still be in the Ryton parish registers. I am not sure if Winlaton Mill was a satellite chapel but could have been. Others on the board would know this. Ryton Holy Cross baptisms: Rebecca and William both baptised 25 Dec 1805, Rebecca born 18 Sep 1803, William born 9 Nov 1805, 1st daur and 1st son of William Colquhoun of Winlaton, smith, native of this parish, by his wife Isabel Oliver, native of this parish. Winlaton St. Paul was not a parish on its own until 1828. Ryton covered a large area that split off into smaller parishes after 1828. Janis

Hello Listers I am chasing a family of Colquhoun and variously Colquhound who seem to have lived in Winlaton from the late 1700s. William Colquhoun and his wife Elizabeth Oliver were married in Gateshead in June 1803 and had two children Rebecca and William baptised in Ryton in 1803 and 1805 but they say that they were born Winlaton in the censuses. I cannot find baptisms for William and Elizabeth nor the marriage of daughter Rebecca who had an illegitimate child Sarah baptised in Ryton in 1827 but was recorded as living in Winlaton. Most of the later events of this family are in Gateshead, where Sarah, after having an illegitimate son John, marries firstly Michael Gardner and later James Stewart having 9 children by both husbands before she died in Gateshead in 1891. Is anyone searching for Colquhouns and variants around Winlaton, Ryton and Gateshead? Many thanks Jill Forster

Just an additional comment that I am sure you know - people who lived at Winlaton may well have walked to Whickham, rather than to Ryton for baptisms. <Ryton Holy Cross baptisms: Rebecca and William both baptised 25 Dec 1805, Rebecca born 18 Sep 1803, William born 9 Nov 1805, 1st daur and 1st son of William Colquhoun of Winlaton, smith, native of this parish, by his wife Isabel Oliver, native of this parish. <Winlaton St. Paul was not a parish on its own until 1828. Ryton covered a large area that split off into smaller parishes after 1828.>

HI I doubt that they are connected unless your Ann was a Quaker Sent from my iPad On 22 Apr 2013, at 16:09, "Susan C" <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi John, > > I realize this is the Northumbria list but I have an Ann Watson, who married my 3 x's g grandfather in Wooler, Northumberland in 1766. I wonder if the family you are researching may be related to Ann? Cousins perhaps? > > > Susan > > > ________________________________ > From: John Ayton <[email protected]> > To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2013 12:47 AM > Subject: [NMB] Raven and Fairless Allendale Stanhope > > > Hi, I know a few others have an interest in the descendants of Anthony Raven who mostly lived in Upper Weardale and died there in 1753. His daughter Sarah Raven married Edward Fairless in 1749. I have found recently a little more about Anthony Raven's family. Anthony was baptised at Allendale 20.5.1691. He was the son of William Raven and Jane Watson. Many years ago I found a reference to this family in the will of Jane Watson's sister and brother in law (William Fairless and Sarah Watson). Recently I found that William Raven married Jane Watson 23.11.1681 at Hesket in the Forest Cumberland. I think that this marriage has only recently come on Familysearch. William Raven and Jane Watson also baptised a son Joseph Raven in that parish Joseph 21.12.1681.. A John Raven and a Robert Raven were also baptising children in that parish at that time. Indeed Robert Raven had a daughter Mary baptised on the same day as Joseph Raven in 1681. William Raven and Jane > Watson had 3 more chi! > ldren in Allendale that I know of--Sarah 4.11.1683, Anthony and Jacob who drowned at the Holmes in 1705. Sarah Raven appears to have married Joseph Dawson in 1702 in Stanhope.Jane Watson was the eldest daughter of Anthony Watson and Elizabeth Nevin of Huntwell. The Watsons were a well documented Quaker family.. I am still trying to find the marriage of Anthony Raven to an Elizabeth about 1715.. Yours John Ayton > .. > Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any reply...... Thank you! > > The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > .. > Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any reply...... Thank you! > > The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Susan: Watson, originally meaning "the son of Watt", is a VERY common surname throughout the region covered by this List (the old counties of Northumberland and Co Durham). If you don't live within the region, then perhaps you do not fully realise how large it is, both in terms of mileage between places and of population, in historic times as well as in the present. At any time in the last 400 or so years there will have been numerous Watson families in all parts of the region, many of them quite unrelated to any of the others, so to a local person the suggestion that a Watson family from, say, Weardale, might be related to one from, say, Wooler, does sound rather silly - unless, of course, there is already some known evidence which points that way. A more general comment on the same lines is that English patronymics (surnames ending in -son) are far more common in the north than in the south of the country. They have always been found to some extent all over England, of course, and the result of the enhanced mobility brought about by the railway, among other things, has been to "stir the mixture" quite a lot. Hence it is not as obvious nowadays as it might once have been. Nevertheless, those -son surnames do form a much greater proportion of the population in the north of England then they do elsewhere. Geoff Nicholson -----Original Message----- From: Susan C <[email protected]> To: northumbria <[email protected]> Sent: Mon, 22 Apr 2013 16:10 Subject: Re: [NMB] Raven and Fairless Allendale Stanhope Hi John, I realize this is the Northumbria list but I have an Ann Watson, who married my 3 x's g grandfather in Wooler, Northumberland in 1766. I wonder if the family you are researching may be related to Ann? Cousins perhaps? Susan

Hello Listers I am seeking help in finding the ancestors of Thomas NEIL who married Isabella KIRKLAND in 1918. The marriage was by Certificate on 29 June 1918 in the Register Office in Tynemouth (Q2 1918 Tynemouth 10b 517). Both the Bride and Groom signed the certificate, indicating that they could write. Witnesses were John KIRKLAND & Mary KIRKLAND, probably the bride's younger siblings. Details from the certificate are: Bride Groom Name Isabella Kirkland Thomas Neil Age 27 34 Condition Spinster Bachelor Occupation Blank Shipyard Labourer Address . 51 Potter Street 13 Hugh Street Willington Quay Wallsend. Father's name Thomas Kirkland Samuel Neil (deceased) Father's Occ. Copper Works Labourer Bricklayer (Journeyman) Clearly, Thomas NEIL was born about 1884 and his father Samuel (bricklayer) would be born around 1850 to 1865 but no convincing match has been found in the 1891 to 1911 censuses for England & Wales or Scotland. Searches of the FreeBMD site and Scotland and Ireland sites have also failed to uncover any matching Neil (Neale, Neill, Niel, Neal) birth. There is a promising-looking census entry for Samuel NEALE, born Plumstead, Norfolk, age 24 in 1881 (RG11/5073/ Folio 27 page 45) and living in Wallsend but this man did not have a son named Thomas as shown by the 1891 census. I wonder if anyone on this List has connections to this Thomas NEIL family or has any information about the birthplace of Thomas. Any assistance would be most welcome. Regards Charles Atkinson.

Acorn Cottage <[email protected]> wrote: >OK - if we're being pedantic: The mailing list is "Border" and you can >subscribe at [email protected] Nothing to do with pedantry - it's called accuracy. That extra "s" could have prevented some from finding the list. In any event this thread is way off topic for the NORTHUMBRIA list. There's nothing wrong with pointing someone to another list, but the thread should have ended at that point. Brian -- Brian Pears (Joint List Admin - NORTHUMBRIA Mailing List)

Dear Brian I do agree with you that something is very strange with the details of both certificates and the census of 1871. However, she married both times away from South Shields and she is on the 1871 census as ELEANOR ROBSON although listed as unmarried. However, I have found many times when sorting through my family trees the census details whether someone was married or not unreliable. Many times couples said they were married when they were not - just living together. Next time I am up in Newcastle I will visit the NDFHS and bring my evidence with me to discuss this in person. It always helps to have a fresh eye on the details which I might have missed. Many thanks for the details about the criminal offences - that I find fascinating and must look through the rest of my family details to find more of these - I know there are a few! Marion As you say, your evidence still doesn't explain why she would claim to be "of full age" when she had nothing to gain. Nor does it explain why, if your scenario is correct, she would claim to be single in 1871 thus labelling herself as an unmarried mother. So she has committed two criminal offences - providing incorect information to a Registrar and to a Census Enumerator - and labelled herself as a fallen woman, without gaining any sort of advantage. Although your evidence sounds convincing, there's something very strange here. Brian -- Brian Pears (Joint List Admin - NORTHUMBRIA Mailing List) .. Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any reply...... Thank you! The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at <http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/> http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to <mailto:[email protected]> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

OK - if we're being pedantic: The mailing list is "Border" and you can subscribe at [email protected] "Topic: anyone interested in genealogy, history, or culture related to the counties which surround the border of Scotland and England. A unique culture evolved in this area which was different from both southern English and either highland or lowland Scottish culture. Many people from the borders were transported to Northern Ireland or left for the colonies." RWA > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Alan Middlemass > Sent: 20 April 2013 22:22 > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [NMB] Help with Ancestor > > Borders [with an "s"] does not appear in the lists at > http://bigfile.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/listsearch where > you can search for mailing lists at rootsweb.com > > > ] Alan Middlemass > Bearpark, Durham, UK >

Borders [with an "s"] does not appear in the lists at http://bigfile.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/listsearch where you can search for mailing lists at rootsweb.com Enter "Dumfries" [without quotes]; click DUMFRIES GALLOWAY in list of lists and decide how you want the list to respond to you. Alternatively enter "Border" and you will get that list by similar means ] Alan Middlemass Bearpark, Durham, UK I have not made any attachments to this mail On 20/04/2013 11:24, Frances Knight wrote: > Hi Alan. how do I address this to rootsweb? I have tried the other 'borders' > one and had it returned saying more or less no such address. > Fran > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Alan Middlemass" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 10:25 PM > Subject: Re: [NMB] Help with Ancestor > > >> You might find DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY list specific to Dumfries as well as >> being a similar area to that covered by the DGFHS. >> >> Alan Middlemass >> Bearpark, >> I have not made any attachments to this mail >> >> On 19/04/2013 21:12, Frances Knight wrote: >>> Hi Folks >>> can anyone tell me if there is a similiar site to this for people born in >>> Dumfries? >> .. >> Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any >> reply...... Thank you! >> >> The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at >> http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > .. > Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any reply...... Thank you! > > The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2013.0.3272 / Virus Database: 3162/6261 - Release Date: 04/20/13 > >

Thanks everyone who helped with information, should keep me busy and also explains where I am going wrong, old age having an effect. Fran

> According to the Family Search site Thomas Gregson was born > 14 Dec 1747 and baptised at Bishopwearmouth (St. Michael's) > on 23 Feb 1748. Thomas was baptised on 23 Feb 1747 (or 1747/8 if you prefer the old/new style) and is shown as being: Thomas son of Mr John Gregson of Burdon Nick

Fran, According to the Family Search site Thomas Gregson was born 14 Dec 1747 and baptised at Bishopwearmouth (St. Michael's) on 23 Feb 1748. It also shows a marriage for a John Gregson to Mary Huntley at the same church on 6 April 1744. Hope this helps. Meg Sent from my iPad > Can anyone suggest how I can find my 4 x great grandmother please? She is the mother of Thomas Gregson born abt 1748 in Bishopwearmouth. The father would seem to be named John Gregson. > I have tried the Durham list and had no reply. > Fran

One method is to look for siblings of Thomas with the same father. Occasionally the parish clerk slips up and adds the mother's name too! Another way is to see if there is a will for John Gregson which might name his wife and children. Ruth > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Frances Knight > Sent: 20 April 2013 11:30 > To: [email protected] > Subject: [NMB] Gregson > > Hi Folks > a nice sunny day and I am indoors on the pc! > Can anyone suggest how I can find my 4 x great grandmother > please? She is the mother of Thomas Gregson born abt 1748 in > Bishopwearmouth. The father would seem to be named John Gregson. > I have tried the Durham list and had no reply. > Fran

Hi Folks a nice sunny day and I am indoors on the pc! Can anyone suggest how I can find my 4 x great grandmother please? She is the mother of Thomas Gregson born abt 1748 in Bishopwearmouth. The father would seem to be named John Gregson. I have tried the Durham list and had no reply. Fran

Hi Alan. how do I address this to rootsweb? I have tried the other 'borders' one and had it returned saying more or less no such address. Fran ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Middlemass" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 10:25 PM Subject: Re: [NMB] Help with Ancestor > You might find DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY list specific to Dumfries as well as > being a similar area to that covered by the DGFHS. > > Alan Middlemass > Bearpark, > I have not made any attachments to this mail > > On 19/04/2013 21:12, Frances Knight wrote: >> Hi Folks >> can anyone tell me if there is a similiar site to this for people born in >> Dumfries? > > .. > Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any > reply...... Thank you! > > The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at > http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi, I know a few others have an interest in the descendants of Anthony Raven who mostly lived in Upper Weardale and died there in 1753. His daughter Sarah Raven married Edward Fairless in 1749. I have found recently a little more about Anthony Raven's family. Anthony was baptised at Allendale 20.5.1691. He was the son of William Raven and Jane Watson. Many years ago I found a reference to this family in the will of Jane Watson's sister and brother in law (William Fairless and Sarah Watson). Recently I found that William Raven married Jane Watson 23.11.1681 at Hesket in the Forest Cumberland. I think that this marriage has only recently come on Familysearch. William Raven and Jane Watson also baptised a son Joseph Raven in that parish Joseph 21.12.1681.. A John Raven and a Robert Raven were also baptising children in that parish at that time. Indeed Robert Raven had a daughter Mary baptised on the same day as Joseph Raven in 1681. William Raven and Jane Watson had 3 more children in Allendale that I know of--Sarah 4.11.1683, Anthony and Jacob who drowned at the Holmes in 1705. Sarah Raven appears to have married Joseph Dawson in 1702 in Stanhope.Jane Watson was the eldest daughter of Anthony Watson and Elizabeth Nevin of Huntwell. The Watsons were a well documented Quaker family.. I am still trying to find the marriage of Anthony Raven to an Elizabeth about 1715.. Yours John Ayton

Hi John, I realize this is the Northumbria list but I have an Ann Watson, who married my 3 x's g grandfather in Wooler, Northumberland in 1766.  I wonder if the family you are researching may be related to Ann?  Cousins perhaps?   Susan ________________________________ From: John Ayton <[email protected]> To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2013 12:47 AM Subject: [NMB] Raven and Fairless Allendale Stanhope Hi, I know a few others have an interest in the descendants of Anthony Raven who mostly lived in Upper Weardale and died there in 1753. His daughter Sarah Raven married Edward Fairless in 1749. I have found recently a little more about Anthony Raven's family. Anthony was baptised at Allendale 20.5.1691. He was the son of William Raven and Jane Watson. Many years ago I found a reference to this family in the will of Jane Watson's sister and brother in law (William Fairless and Sarah Watson). Recently I found that William Raven married Jane Watson 23.11.1681 at Hesket in the Forest Cumberland. I think that this marriage has only recently come on Familysearch. William Raven and Jane Watson also baptised a son Joseph Raven  in that parish Joseph 21.12.1681.. A John Raven and a Robert Raven were also baptising children in that parish at that time. Indeed Robert Raven had a daughter Mary baptised on the same day as Joseph Raven in 1681. William Raven and Jane Watson had 3 more chi! ldren in Allendale that I know of--Sarah 4.11.1683, Anthony and Jacob who drowned at the Holmes in 1705. Sarah Raven appears to have married Joseph Dawson in 1702 in Stanhope.Jane Watson was the eldest daughter of Anthony Watson and Elizabeth Nevin of Huntwell. The Watsons were a well documented Quaker family.. I am still trying to find the marriage of Anthony Raven to an Elizabeth about 1715.. Yours John Ayton                          .. Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any reply...... Thank you! The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

You might find DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY list specific to Dumfries as well as being a similar area to that covered by the DGFHS. Alan Middlemass Bearpark, I have not made any attachments to this mail On 19/04/2013 21:12, Frances Knight wrote: > Hi Folks > can anyone tell me if there is a similiar site to this for people born in Dumfries?

There is a site for the "Borders" which would include it. Subscribe to [email protected] Ruth > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Frances Knight > Sent: 19 April 2013 21:12 > To: [email protected] > Subject: [NMB] Help with Ancestor > > Hi Folks > can anyone tell me if there is a similiar site to this for > people born in Dumfries? > I have a 3x grt grandmother and her marriage is there but I > can't find her birth. > Fran > .. > Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before > you post any reply...... Thank you! > > The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at > http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >