Many thanks to all who replied, it's certainly given me a lot to think about. Eric

Ingrid /Eric My mistake, slip of the pen - you are right, the birth reference of Francis Murray was Berwick district. b Francis Murray - 1838 (Dec) Berwick 25 15 b Jane Halliday - 1838 (Dec) Glendale 25 233 -or- b Jane Halliday - 1846 (Sep) Glendale 25 254 m Francis Murray = Jane Halliday - 1868 (Mar) Glendale 10b 460 There is a baptism in the Lowick Bishop's Transcripts possibly to correspond to Jane's 1838 birth - 21 Oct 1838, parents John and Mary. Kath On 28/04/2013 02:24, Ingrid Clausen wrote: > Hi > > I can't find the birth reg in Glendale reg district referred to below (sorry if I have misunderstood), but a birth of a Francis Murray was registered in the Dec quarter of 1838 in the Berwick upon Tweed reg district. This district included Tweedmouth (but not Lowick). >

Eric There appears to be only one possible birth registered in the Lowick area (Glendale) for Francis Murray i.e. b 1838 (DecQ). There is a birth of Jane Halliday also in the same quarter, although there is another option in 1845. Tracing this family through all the censuses it appears as if the 1881 and 1891 you mention are out of sync with the others. You will see this if you track the ages of the children, and then later the widowed Jane when she is living with son Thomas. It seems that Frank actually has no idea how old he is, but when the census data are (apparently) recorded by his parents (1841, 1851, 1861), then his son (1901, 1911), the ages are more consistent. 1841 - HO107 /318 /9/31 /20 - Tweedmouth 1851 - HO107 /2421 /158 /25 - Berwick 1861 - RG9 /3884 /40 /10 - Holy Island 1871 - RG10 /5188 /52 /17 - Lowick 1881 - RG11 /5117 /119 /50 - Pegswood 1891 - RG12 /4259 /46 /8 - Bothal Demesne 1891 - RG12 /4257 /104 /13 - Bedlington (son Thomas boarder) 1901 - RG13 /4835 /69 /17 - Ashington 1911 - RG14 /31034 /SN358 - Ashington Try these along with Geoff's advice re other records and/or order some certificates e.g. 1868 marriage. Kath ______________________ ... I am looking for a Frank Murray who was married to Jane Halliday. On the 1881 census at Pegswood he is 34 and she is 31, and on the 1891 census at Bothal he is 46 and she is 48 (?) but I can't find them anywhere else. Nor can I find a any trace of a birth for a Frank or Francis at Lowick Has anyone any ideas please? Eric

Is anybody researching a Murray family from Lowick? I am looking for a Frank Murray who was married to Jane Halliday. On the 1881 census at Pegswood he is 34 and she is 31, and on the 1891 census at Bothal he is 46 and she is 48 (?) but I can't find them anywhere else. Nor can I find a any trace of a birth for a Frank or Francis at Lowick Has anyone any ideas please? Eric

Eric: My main idea is that, if you believe Frank when he says he was born at Lowick, then that does not have to mean it was in Lowick village - if his parents were Church of England then it could mean he was born anywhere within the parish of Lowick. However, if you have searched Lowick parish register (or a transcript of it or an index compiled from a transcript of it) and not found his baptism, then that is probably an indication that they were in fact Presbyterians. Much of the population of north Northumberland at that time were of Scottish extraction - as is the surname Murray! - and, since the Established church of Scotland is Presbyterian, that is what they were. There were lots of Presbyterian churches around, one in Lowick itself, and that is where I would look, after the parish church. However, Presbyterians in England didn't have any hard and fast parish system, so people just went to whichever Presbyterian church they found convenient, or to the one where they knew and liked the Minister, or the one close to where their friends lived, so it doesn't have to follow that just because they lived in Lowick they would go to Lowick Presbyterian church. Northumberland Record Office have many transcripts of Presbyterian registers, as have Newcastle Central Library and also the NDFHS. Those places will have in-house research services, so may do a "look-up" for you for a small fee (for the NDFHS you would need to be a member - see www.ndfhs.org.uk) and also look at their lists of transcripts and indexes for sale, as well as at their Library Catalogue. Another idea is that since they both seem to have been born after 1837 you could seek their birth certificates (cf FreeBMD to confirm the Quarter in which they were born and also the Registration District: Lowick will be in either Berwick or Belford Reg District). To be thorough, you should follow both lines of research, as each would give you an independent look at their details. Geoff Nicholson -----Original Message----- From: ERIC JOHNSON <[email protected]> To: NORTHUMBRIA <[email protected]> Sent: Sat, 27 Apr 2013 15:37 Subject: [NMB] Murray of Lowick Is anybody researching a Murray family from Lowick? I am looking for a Frank Murray who was married to Jane Halliday. On the 1881 census at Pegswood he is 34 and she is 31, and on the 1891 census at Bothal he is 46 and she is 48 (?) but I can't find them anywhere else. Nor can I find a any trace of a birth for a Frank or Francis at Lowick Has anyone any ideas please? Eric .. Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any reply...... Thank you! The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Geoff, Thanks for your very detailed response and your background knowledge. I used the film on the LDS site and had found the two following baptisms in the Ryton Parish Registers - although it took me a long time working through the pages of the actual register. Like you - I thank Bishop Barrington every day for ensuring the details which are so helpful to us were provided-in terms of origins of the parents and the number in the family of the children. I had wondered about the Crowley Iron Works but didn't know enough about the local activities of the firm to make the link. Most helpful thank you. My problem now is finding the baptism of William which so far I have not been able to do in the Ryton Registers but they are hard to follow as they jump backwards and forwards between burials, baptisms and marriages. Appreciate your input once again. Jill Forster, Sydney > > In Ryton parish registers (I use a microfiche of the reliable H >M Wood transcripts up to 1812, available for purchase from >Northfiche via Northumberland Record Office at Woodhorn), I found >these two consecutive entries (I shall expand Wood's abbreviations): > >1806 Dec 25 Colquhoun, Rebecca (b Sep 18, 1803), 1st daughter of >William Colquhoun of Winlaton, smith, native of this parish, by his >wife Isabel Oliver, native of this parish > >1806 Dec 25 Colquhoun, William (b Nov 9), 1st son of the same. > > At the time, Winlaton was part of the parish of Ryton (Holy >Cross). It is not unusual to find someone living at Winlaton being >called a smith, as he was almost certainly an employee of what had >been the Crowley Iron Works (by then Crowley Millington & Co). That >was a very remarkable organisation, worthy of more study, written up >in detail in many places and the subject of a fascinating >full-length hardback book by Prof Flinn of Edinburgh University >c1961, called "Men of Iron: the Crowleys in the Early Iron >Industry". Briefly, Crowleys bought in bulk iron, as bars and >sheets, and their workmen then worked on it, almost as a "cottage >industry" to make it into all sorts of iron goods. At Winlaton they >specialised in small items: at Winlaton Mill it was edge tools (and >clandestine experiments in early steel-making) and at Swalwell it >was heavy goods (ships' anchors, chains for mooring ships, etc). At >Winlaton they made small chains (suitable for shackling slaves!), >implements for the plantations (hoes, rakes, spades, shovels, etc) >and domestic items (patten-rings to raise shoes above the dirt on >the streets, locks, bolts, nails, etc). > > Hawks' iron works in Gateshead became a major rival to >Crowleys, and that might be the reason for your family's Gateshead >connections. In William and Isabel's day, Crowleys were going flat >out and doing very well indeed out of the Napoleonic Wars, as they >had a lucrative exclusive contract from the Admiralty to provide all >the iron work for Royal Navy Ships of the Line, as well as supplying >their usual goods to the ever-expanding colonies. They were to >suffer a great reverse in 1815 when the Napoleonic Wars ended and >they were caught up in the inevitable post-war depression. > > You will notice that both William and his wife, Isabel, were >"natives of this parish" - ie they had been born there. That is an >excellent clue, only given between 1798 and 1812. It may not be >true, of course, but it usually is. > > Rebecca Colquhoun married James Wears at Winlaton on 19 May >1833. That was only about the ninth wedding to take place in >Winlaton St Paul's church. I have no more detail of this wedding >but the parish registers (try the on-line BTs) should tell you >whether it was by licence or after the calling of Banns, and they >may (though not necessarily) give a little more detail. You should >be able to see whether the parties signed their names or made a mark >(usually a cross), and who the witnesses were, as well as who the >clergyman was. They will not tell you anything about the parentage >of either party. Geoff Nicholson > >

Jill: Like you, I can't find anything suitable in Ryton parish registers, but I have looked in my own database of both Co Durham (nothing suitable) and Northumberland baptisms, and I have found a William Colquhoun baptised at Newcastle's Castle Garth Presbyterian church on 26 April 1778, having been born on the previous March 21. His parents were Robert and Jane and he was the eldest of six children they had baptised there. Of course, my database is far from complete, so there might well be other suitable William Colquhouns baptised elsewhere. This William would have been aged 25 when he married Isabella Oliver at Gateshead on 6 June 1803 - a very likely age. Also, with an originally-Scottish surname such as Colquhoun one might expect that the first immigrant generation (at least) would have been Presbyterian, and there were several such churches in Newcastle (plus the Independent/Presbyterian at various times one in Swalwell). If you are interested and think this probably really is your William, I can let you have the similar details of his five younger siblings. Geoff Nicholson -----Original Message----- From: Jill Forster <[email protected]> To: northumbria <[email protected]> Sent: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 2:45 Subject: Re: [NMB] Colquhoun Thanks Hello Geoff, Thanks for your very detailed response and your background knowledge. I used the film on the LDS site and had found the two following baptisms in the Ryton Parish Registers - although it took me a long time working through the pages of the actual register. Like you - I thank Bishop Barrington every day for ensuring the details which are so helpful to us were provided-in terms of origins of the parents and the number in the family of the children. I had wondered about the Crowley Iron Works but didn't know enough about the local activities of the firm to make the link. Most helpful thank you. My problem now is finding the baptism of William which so far I have not been able to do in the Ryton Registers but they are hard to follow as they jump backwards and forwards between burials, baptisms and marriages. Appreciate your input once again. Jill Forster, Sydney > > In Ryton parish registers (I use a microfiche of the reliable H >M Wood transcripts up to 1812, available for purchase from >Northfiche via Northumberland Record Office at Woodhorn), I found >these two consecutive entries (I shall expand Wood's abbreviations): > >1806 Dec 25 Colquhoun, Rebecca (b Sep 18, 1803), 1st daughter of >William Colquhoun of Winlaton, smith, native of this parish, by his >wife Isabel Oliver, native of this parish > >1806 Dec 25 Colquhoun, William (b Nov 9), 1st son of the same. > > At the time, Winlaton was part of the parish of Ryton (Holy >Cross). It is not unusual to find someone living at Winlaton being >called a smith, as he was almost certainly an employee of what had >been the Crowley Iron Works (by then Crowley Millington & Co). That >was a very remarkable organisation, worthy of more study, written up >in detail in many places and the subject of a fascinating >full-length hardback book by Prof Flinn of Edinburgh University >c1961, called "Men of Iron: the Crowleys in the Early Iron >Industry". Briefly, Crowleys bought in bulk iron, as bars and >sheets, and their workmen then worked on it, almost as a "cottage >industry" to make it into all sorts of iron goods. At Winlaton they >specialised in small items: at Winlaton Mill it was edge tools (and >clandestine experiments in early steel-making) and at Swalwell it >was heavy goods (ships' anchors, chains for mooring ships, etc). At >Winlaton they made small chains (suitable for shackling slaves!), >implements for the plantations (hoes, rakes, spades, shovels, etc) >and domestic items (patten-rings to raise shoes above the dirt on >the streets, locks, bolts, nails, etc). > > Hawks' iron works in Gateshead became a major rival to >Crowleys, and that might be the reason for your family's Gateshead >connections. In William and Isabel's day, Crowleys were going flat >out and doing very well indeed out of the Napoleonic Wars, as they >had a lucrative exclusive contract from the Admiralty to provide all >the iron work for Royal Navy Ships of the Line, as well as supplying >their usual goods to the ever-expanding colonies. They were to >suffer a great reverse in 1815 when the Napoleonic Wars ended and >they were caught up in the inevitable post-war depression. > > You will notice that both William and his wife, Isabel, were >"natives of this parish" - ie they had been born there. That is an >excellent clue, only given between 1798 and 1812. It may not be >true, of course, but it usually is. > > Rebecca Colquhoun married James Wears at Winlaton on 19 May >1833. That was only about the ninth wedding to take place in >Winlaton St Paul's church. I have no more detail of this wedding >but the parish registers (try the on-line BTs) should tell you >whether it was by licence or after the calling of Banns, and they >may (though not necessarily) give a little more detail. You should >be able to see whether the parties signed their names or made a mark >(usually a cross), and who the witnesses were, as well as who the >clergyman was. They will not tell you anything about the parentage >of either party. Geoff Nicholson > > .. Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any reply...... Thank you! 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Hello Yvonne No direct link but I will send you what I have - rather than to the list and they may well turn out to be childen of siblings of the family I am researching. Many thanks Jill >Hello Jill, My HALL family are related to Colquhoun's of >Gateshead, maybe not your Colquhouns though I have Ann >Carter marrying William Colquhoun in Newcastle 1864. Their children >Henry and Isaac were born in Gateshead in 1869 and 1865. Henry then >married my ggrandmothers's sister Elizabeth Wilson in Gateshead >1892. I would be interested if any of these names and dates link >in with your family. I haven't delved further into the >Colquhoun family as yet as I am still digging into the HALL side of >my family. Regards Yvonne

Thanks Heather They are only popping up in Ryton and Gateshead at this stage but time will tell. Regards Jill >Just an additional comment that I am sure you know - people who >lived at Winlaton may well have walked to Whickham, rather than to >Ryton for baptisms. > ><Ryton Holy Cross baptisms: Rebecca and William both baptised 25 Dec >1805, Rebecca born 18 Sep 1803, William born 9 Nov 1805, 1st daur >and 1st son of William Colquhoun of Winlaton, smith, native of this >parish, by his wife Isabel Oliver, native of this parish. ><Winlaton St. Paul was not a parish on its own until 1828. Ryton >covered a large area that split off into smaller parishes after >1828.>

Hello Janis Wonderful - this is a great help. I will try and put them all together in my Reunion programme and see how they fit together. The Colquhouns certainly went in for illegitimate children - I am up to four now in three generations. Its my uncles family, from his mother's side and I have only just commenced searching for him. Appreciate your knowledge of this family name. Regards Jill in Sydney >Rebecca also had an illig. daugther Isabella baptised in Ryton 30 Mar 1823 >who was buried in Winlaton 30 Aug 1832 age 9. Sarah was baptised >Christmas Day 1827 I Ryton Holy Cross a year before Winlaton had a church. > > > >Isabella Colquhon, widow, married John Parker, Bach, in Ryton 13 Sep 1815 > > > >Rebecca Colquhound married James Wears in Winlaton 19 May 1833 > > > >Robert Colquhoun married Hannah Pentland 7 Sep 1834 in Winlaton (I don't >know if he was one of yours but it is an unusual surname) > > > >Of note is a baptism of Isabel Oliver in Ryton baptised Mar 1783 somewhere >about 2 Mar (a Sunday) to the 26Mar a Wednesday daughter of Robert, >Winlaton > > > >Then a baptism of Rebecca Oliver Nov 1785 probably the 6th or 13th (no date) >daughter of Robert. Rebecca might be a family name that was carried on. > > > >Still looking for the father. > > > >Janis > > > >

Geoff Nicholson <[email protected]> wrote: > These were all in one day, so we must suppose that the named > people lived other than at Winlaton Mill. On the one hand, as there > is no record of a chapel at Winlaton Mill (a fulling mill before > Crowley's arrival a century later), but on the other, the names in > this list seem to imply that the services referred to would be house > meetings. Thanks Geoff. Brian -- Brian Pears (Joint List Admin - NORTHUMBRIA Mailing List)

Geoff Nicholson <[email protected]> wrote: > As far as the late 19th and the 20th century are concerned, you > are quite right. However, as far back as the 16th century, Rev > Francis Bunny mentions holding Holy Communion services at Winlaton > Mill during Easter Week (se the article about Ryton Tithe Records in > one of the Archaeologia Aeliana Series ?2 books. Also, in the early > 19th century, during the Barrington period, 1798-1812 (at least > during those years; possibly for a longer time), baptisms were taking > place there, as there are separate lists for "baptisms at Winlaton > Mill" in Ryton parish baptism register. However, the two baptisms I > quoted in my earlier contribution to this thread, although during > that period, were in the main list and hence will have taken place in > Ryton parish church and not at Winlaton Mill. That makes it more > likely that the Colquhouns lived in Winlaton itself and not in > Winlaton Mill. Hi Geoff Most interesting. Presumably this would be down in the old village along the lane from the Golden Lion. Do you know if there was a purpose-built chapel? Brian -- Brian Pears (Joint List Admin - NORTHUMBRIA Mailing List)

Hello Jill,   Appreciate that, look forward to seeing what you have and to see if they tie in anywhere with mine.   Best wishes Yvonne ________________________________ From: Jill Forster <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, 24 April 2013, 10:09 Subject: Re: [NMB] Colquhoun Hello Yvonne No direct link but I will send you what I have - rather than to the list and they may well turn out to be childen of siblings of the family I am researching. Many thanks Jill >Hello Jill,  My HALL family are related to Colquhoun's of >Gateshead, maybe not your Colquhouns though  I have Ann >Carter marrying William Colquhoun in Newcastle 1864.  Their children >Henry and Isaac were born in Gateshead in 1869 and 1865.  Henry then >married my ggrandmothers's sister Elizabeth Wilson in Gateshead >1892.  I would be interested if any of these names and dates link >in with your family.  I haven't delved further into the >Colquhoun family as yet as I am still digging into the HALL side of >my family.  Regards Yvonne .. Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any reply...... Thank you! The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

"[email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote: >There were baptisms in the Ryton Holy Cross but as Winlaton Mill and >adjacent areas but would still be in the Ryton parish registers. I am >not sure if Winlaton Mill was a satellite chapel but could have been. >Others on the board would know this. Janis The only chapel at Winlaton Mill was Primitive Methodist. It opened in 1869 on the east side of the Shotley Bridge Turnpike (now A694) about 100 yards north of the Golden Lion pub. It was of white brick and stone, and could seat 125. It closed in 1983 and was converted into a dwelling house. Brian -- Brian Pears (Joint List Admin - NORTHUMBRIA Mailing List)

Brian: My quote was from Rev Johnson Bailey's paper "Book of Easter Offerings, Small Tithes and Outen Tithes of Ryton" in Archaeologia Aeliana, 2nd series, Vol 19 (1898). In that, Bailey comments upon the old custom of distributing tokens as receipts for Easter Offerings, those tokens to be handed in when the people took their Easter Communion. During the 1590s he lists how many communicants there were, as he went around his considerably-sized parish day by day in Easter week. The list for 1595 includes "Wedinsday - At Cuthbart Swinburns xiiij Com'unicants. Att Winlawton milne ix Com'unicants. At John Greenwell's viii Com'unicants. At Thom's Holydaies v Com'unicants" These were all in one day, so we must suppose that the named people lived other than at Winlaton Mill. On the one hand, as there is no record of a chapel at Winlaton Mill (a fulling mill before Crowley's arrival a century later), but on the other, the names in this list seem to imply that the services referred to would be house meetings. Geoff -----Original Message----- From: Brian Pears <[email protected]> To: northumbria <[email protected]> Sent: Wed, 24 Apr 2013 10:37 Subject: Re: [NMB] COLQUHOUN of Winlaton, Ryton, Gateshead Geoff Nicholson <[email protected]> wrote: > As far as the late 19th and the 20th century are concerned, you > are quite right. However, as far back as the 16th century, Rev > Francis Bunny mentions holding Holy Communion services at Winlaton > Mill during Easter Week (se the article about Ryton Tithe Records in > one of the Archaeologia Aeliana Series ?2 books. Also, in the early > 19th century, during the Barrington period, 1798-1812 (at least > during those years; possibly for a longer time), baptisms were taking > place there, as there are separate lists for "baptisms at Winlaton > Mill" in Ryton parish baptism register. However, the two baptisms I > quoted in my earlier contribution to this thread, although during > that period, were in the main list and hence will have taken place in > Ryton parish church and not at Winlaton Mill. That makes it more > likely that the Colquhouns lived in Winlaton itself and not in > Winlaton Mill. Hi Geoff Most interesting. Presumably this would be down in the old village along the lane from the Golden Lion. Do you know if there was a purpose-built chapel? Brian -- Brian Pears (Joint List Admin - NORTHUMBRIA Mailing List) .. Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any reply...... Thank you! The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I used the Winlaton Mill as there were sections in the parish register sort of seperate from the regular Ryton starting from 1784 but included with the regular register. Janis On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 3:10 AM, Brian Pears wrote: > "[email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote: >> There were baptisms in the Ryton Holy Cross but as Winlaton Mill and >> adjacent areas but would still be in the Ryton parish registers. I >> am >> not sure if Winlaton Mill was a satellite chapel but could have been. >> Others on the board would know this. > > Janis > > The only chapel at Winlaton Mill was Primitive Methodist. It > opened in 1869 on the east side of the Shotley Bridge Turnpike (now > A694) about 100 yards north of the Golden Lion pub. It was of white > brick and stone, and could seat 125. It closed in 1983 and was > converted into a dwelling house. > > Brian > -- > Brian Pears (Joint List Admin - NORTHUMBRIA Mailing List) > .. > Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post > any reply...... Thank you! > > The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at > http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Brian: As far as the late 19th and the 20th century are concerned, you are quite right. However, as far back as the 16th century, Rev Francis Bunny mentions holding Holy Communion services at Winlaton Mill during Easter Week (se the article about Ryton Tithe Records in one of the Archaeologia Aeliana Series ?2 books. Also, in the early 19th century, during the Barrington period, 1798-1812 (at least during those years; possibly for a longer time), baptisms were taking place there, as there are separate lists for "baptisms at Winlaton Mill" in Ryton parish baptism register. However, the two baptisms I quoted in my earlier contribution to this thread, although during that period, were in the main list and hence will have taken place in Ryton parish church and not at Winlaton Mill. That makes it more likely that the Colquhouns lived in Winlaton itself and not in Winlaton Mill. Geoff Nicholson -----Original Message----- From: Brian Pears <[email protected]> To: northumbria <[email protected]> Sent: Wed, 24 Apr 2013 9:38 Subject: Re: [NMB] COLQUHOUN of Winlaton, Ryton, Gateshead "[email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote: >There were baptisms in the Ryton Holy Cross but as Winlaton Mill and >adjacent areas but would still be in the Ryton parish registers. I am >not sure if Winlaton Mill was a satellite chapel but could have been. >Others on the board would know this. Janis The only chapel at Winlaton Mill was Primitive Methodist. It opened in 1869 on the east side of the Shotley Bridge Turnpike (now A694) about 100 yards north of the Golden Lion pub. It was of white brick and stone, and could seat 125. It closed in 1983 and was converted into a dwelling house. Brian -- Brian Pears (Joint List Admin - NORTHUMBRIA Mailing List) .. Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any reply...... Thank you! The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Jill: You haven't been looking in the right place for full details of those baptisms! In Ryton parish registers (I use a microfiche of the reliable H M Wood transcripts up to 1812, available for purchase from Northfiche via Northumberland Record Office at Woodhorn), I found these two consecutive entries (I shall expand Wood's abbreviations): 1806 Dec 25 Colquhoun, Rebecca (b Sep 18, 1803), 1st daughter of William Colquhoun of Winlaton, smith, native of this parish, by his wife Isabel Oliver, native of this parish 1806 Dec 25 Colquhoun, William (b Nov 9), 1st son of the same. At the time, Winlaton was part of the parish of Ryton (Holy Cross). It is not unusual to find someone living at Winlaton being called a smith, as he was almost certainly an employee of what had been the Crowley Iron Works (by then Crowley Millington & Co). That was a very remarkable organisation, worthy of more study, written up in detail in many places and the subject of a fascinating full-length hardback book by Prof Flinn of Edinburgh University c1961, called "Men of Iron: the Crowleys in the Early Iron Industry". Briefly, Crowleys bought in bulk iron, as bars and sheets, and their workmen then worked on it, almost as a "cottage industry" to make it into all sorts of iron goods. At Winlaton they specialised in small items: at Winlaton Mill it was edge tools (and clandestine experiments in early steel-making) and at Swalwell it was heavy goods (ships' anchors, chains for mooring ships, etc). At Winlaton they made small chains (suitable for shackling slaves!), implements for the plantations (hoes, rakes, spades, shovels, etc) and domestic items (patten-rings to raise shoes above the dirt on the streets, locks, bolts, nails, etc). Hawks' iron works in Gateshead became a major rival to Crowleys, and that might be the reason for your family's Gateshead connections. In William and Isabel's day, Crowleys were going flat out and doing very well indeed out of the Napoleonic Wars, as they had a lucrative exclusive contract from the Admiralty to provide all the iron work for Royal Navy Ships of the Line, as well as supplying their usual goods to the ever-expanding colonies. They were to suffer a great reverse in 1815 when the Napoleonic Wars ended and they were caught up in the inevitable post-war depression. You will notice that both William and his wife, Isabel, were "natives of this parish" - ie they had been born there. That is an excellent clue, only given between 1798 and 1812. It may not be true, of course, but it usually is. Rebecca Colquhoun married James Wears at Winlaton on 19 May 1833. That was only about the ninth wedding to take place in Winlaton St Paul's church. I have no more detail of this wedding but the parish registers (try the on-line BTs) should tell you whether it was by licence or after the calling of Banns, and they may (though not necessarily) give a little more detail. You should be able to see whether the parties signed their names or made a mark (usually a cross), and who the witnesses were, as well as who the clergyman was. They will not tell you anything about the parentage of either party. Geoff Nicholson -----Original Message----- From: Jill Forster <[email protected]> To: northumbria <[email protected]> Sent: Tue, 23 Apr 2013 0:21 Subject: [NMB] COLQUHOUN of Winlaton, Ryton, Gateshead Hello Listers I am chasing a family of Colquhoun and variously Colquhound who seem to have lived in Winlaton from the late 1700s. William Colquhoun and his wife Elizabeth Oliver were married in Gateshead in June 1803 and had two children Rebecca and William baptised in Ryton in 1803 and 1805 but they say that they were born Winlaton in the censuses. I cannot find baptisms for William and Elizabeth nor the marriage of daughter Rebecca who had an illegitimate child Sarah baptised in Ryton in 1827 but was recorded as living in Winlaton. Most of the later events of this family are in Gateshead, where Sarah, after having an illegitimate son John, marries firstly Michael Gardner and later James Stewart having 9 children by both husbands before she died in Gateshead in 1891. Is anyone searching for Colquhouns and variants around Winlaton, Ryton and Gateshead? Many thanks Jill Forster .. Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any reply...... Thank you! The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Rebecca also had an illig. daugther Isabella baptised in Ryton 30 Mar 1823 who was buried in Winlaton 30 Aug 1832 age 9. Sarah was baptised Christmas Day 1827 I Ryton Holy Cross a year before Winlaton had a church. Isabella Colquhon, widow, married John Parker, Bach, in Ryton 13 Sep 1815 Rebecca Colquhound married James Wears in Winlaton 19 May 1833 Robert Colquhoun married Hannah Pentland 7 Sep 1834 in Winlaton (I don't know if he was one of yours but it is an unusual surname) Of note is a baptism of Isabel Oliver in Ryton baptised Mar 1783 somewhere about 2 Mar (a Sunday) to the 26Mar a Wednesday daughter of Robert, Winlaton Then a baptism of Rebecca Oliver Nov 1785 probably the 6th or 13th (no date) daughter of Robert. Rebecca might be a family name that was carried on. Still looking for the father. Janis

Hello Jill,   My HALL family are related to Colquhoun's of Gateshead, maybe not your Colquhouns though   I have Ann Carter marrying William Colquhoun in Newcastle 1864.  Their children Henry and Isaac were born in Gateshead in 1869 and 1865.  Henry then married my ggrandmothers's sister Elizabeth Wilson in Gateshead 1892.   I would be interested if any of these names and dates link in with your family.   I haven't delved further into the Colquhoun family as yet as I am still digging into the HALL side of my family.   Regards Yvonne ________________________________ From: Jill Forster <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, 23 April 2013, 0:16 Subject: [NMB] COLQUHOUN of Winlaton, Ryton, Gateshead Hello Listers I am chasing a family of Colquhoun and variously Colquhound who seem to have lived in Winlaton from the late 1700s. William Colquhoun and his wife Elizabeth Oliver were married in Gateshead in June 1803 and had two children Rebecca and William baptised in Ryton in 1803 and 1805 but they say that they were born Winlaton in the censuses. I cannot find baptisms for William and Elizabeth nor the marriage of daughter Rebecca who had an illegitimate child Sarah baptised in Ryton in 1827 but was recorded as living in Winlaton. Most of the later events of this family are in Gateshead, where Sarah, after having an illegitimate son John, marries firstly Michael Gardner and later James Stewart having 9 children by both husbands before she died in Gateshead in 1891. Is anyone searching for Colquhouns and variants around Winlaton, Ryton and Gateshead? Many thanks Jill Forster .. Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any reply...... Thank you! The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message