Hi Eric Always helps to give the census reference when asking these sort of enquiries However, could this be your missing young lady with her grandmother in each case 1881 England Census about Isabella Watson Name: Isabella Watson Age: 7 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1874 Relation: Granddaughter Gender: Female Where born: Bedlington, Northumberland, England Civil parish: Bedlington County/Island: Northumberland Country: England Registration district: Morpeth Sub-registration district: Bedlington ED, institution, or vessel: 11 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 5117 Folio: 19 Page Number: 32 Household Members: Name Age Elizabeth Watson 61 Isabella Watson 7 William Watson 23 Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 5117; Folio: 19; Page: 32; GSU roll: 1342236. 1891 England Census about Isabella Watson Name: Isabella Watson Age: 16 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1875 Relation: Granddaughter Gender: Female Where born: Northumberland, England Civil parish: Bedlington Ecclesiastical parish: Choppington Town: Slateford County/Island: Northumberland Country: England Registration district: Morpeth Sub-registration district: Bedlington ED, institution, or vessel: 11 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 4257 Folio: 102 Page Number: 10 Household Members: Name Age William Watson 30 Elizabeth Watson 70 Isabella Watson 16 Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 4257; Folio: 102; Page: 10; GSU Roll: 6099367. Both are in Stakeford What was her fathers name and occupation on her marriage registration? Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 08/05/2013 15:58, ERIC JOHNSON wrote: > Hi > > I am looking for details of Isabella Watson, born about 1875 at Stakeford, Ashington > She married John Murray in 1892. > I can find her on both the 1901 and 1911 census but cannot find her at all on anything prior to her marriage. > Is anyone researching this family please? > > Eric

Hi I am looking for details of Isabella Watson, born about 1875 at Stakeford, Ashington She married John Murray in 1892. I can find her on both the 1901 and 1911 census but cannot find her at all on anything prior to her marriage. Is anyone researching this family please? Eric

This might be your Isabella Watson. There is a baptism of a Mary Isabella Watson 12 Jul 1874 d/o Sarah Watson, singlewoman, Stakeford, baptised in Cambois St. Peter. A death of Sarah Watson in 1877. If you follow William from the previous answer back with a sister Sarah you will see the mother Elizabeth. Elizabeth is a widow (1861) and remarries to a John Baxter (1870) then after a few years he dies. Perhaps she reverted back to her old married name (1881) . Probably getting the marriage of Isabella would tell you if there is a fathers name or not. Janis

Thanks Michael for providing the background for the Temple households . It is interesting that there are two Jane Lunns of the same age, so close together, in 1851, both apparently with Carnegie connections, when neither name seems particularly common in the area. Ingrid From: Michael Temple <[email protected]> Date: 8 May 2013 8:01:02 AM NZST To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [NMB] CARNAGEY/LUNN Reply-To: [email protected] Ingrid & Linda, I have noted your mention of Temple's in the email exchange and I have researched the Temple's mentioned some years ago. Ref. the 1851 census, HO/1417, Folio 83 page 13, sch. 43, Thomas Temple, aged 74, was the son of James Temple & Mary Scott of Elsdon, Thomas's first wife being Elizabeth Dagg. Elizabeth died in 1835 and Thomas Temple aged 61, coal miner of Brownrigg pit house, remarried to Ann Familton, a widow of Dunns Houses, at St. Cuthbert's Elsdon 19 May 1838. The 1851 census records at Brownrigg Pit House, Elsdon parish, Thomas Temple, his wife Ann, a step daughter Mary Ann Carnagie, unmarried, age 38, an Ag. Lab. and Ann Temple Carnagie,, grand daughter aged 3. The 1851 census at Elisham Gate, Elsdon parish, HO 107/2417 Folio 83, page 12, sch. 44, also recorded a Henry Temple, age 43 , a coal miner. Henry was the son of Thomas Temple and Elizabeth Dagg, and he married Hannah Edington of North Chatton 18 March 1837. The 1851 census records Henry Temple age 43, coal miner, Hannah, age 43 Elizabeth, daughter, age, 7, b. at Trimdon, Durham. Jane Lunn, age 66, Aunt, a pauper and a soldiers widow, born Northumberland. I have yet to figure out how Henry Temple had an aunt named Jane Lunn, as the only "Jane", a daughter of Thomas Temple & Elizabeth Dagg, did not marry a Lunn. Unless the Lunn connection is on the Dagg side of the marriage, and I have not researched that line. Mike Temple. -

Many thanks to Geoff, Ingrid and Michael for all the info and suggestions. I was going off the census for Jane's age and where born. It's a puzzle but at least I now have more avenues to pursue. I'll post again when I find out more.   regards Linda shaw

Ingrid, yes, another mystery, and I have a number of them in my Temple line, going back in Elsdon parish to around 1740 when the Temple's "appeared" in the parish from who knows where ---- probably from across the border, but I've never found any clear evidence to support that. Mike Temple. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ingrid Clausen" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2013 3:40 AM Subject: Re: [NMB] CARNAGEY/LUNN > Thanks Michael for providing the background for the Temple households . It > is interesting that there are two Jane Lunns of the same age, so close > together, in 1851, both apparently with Carnegie connections, when neither > name seems particularly common in the area. > > Ingrid > > From: Michael Temple <[email protected]> > Date: 8 May 2013 8:01:02 AM NZST > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [NMB] CARNAGEY/LUNN > Reply-To: [email protected] > > Ingrid & Linda, > I have noted your mention of Temple's in the email > exchange and I have researched the Temple's mentioned some years ago. > > Ref. the 1851 census, HO/1417, Folio 83 page 13, sch. 43, > Thomas Temple, aged 74, was the son of James Temple & Mary Scott of > Elsdon, > Thomas's first wife being Elizabeth Dagg. > Elizabeth died in 1835 and Thomas Temple aged 61, coal miner of Brownrigg > pit house, remarried to Ann Familton, a widow of Dunns Houses, at St. > Cuthbert's Elsdon 19 May 1838. > > The 1851 census records at Brownrigg Pit House, Elsdon parish, Thomas > Temple, his wife Ann, a step daughter Mary Ann Carnagie, unmarried, age > 38, > an Ag. Lab. and Ann Temple Carnagie,, grand daughter aged 3. > > The 1851 census at Elisham Gate, Elsdon parish, HO 107/2417 Folio 83, page > 12, sch. 44, also recorded a Henry Temple, age 43 , a coal miner. > Henry was the son of Thomas Temple and Elizabeth Dagg, and he married > Hannah > Edington of North Chatton 18 March 1837. > The 1851 census records Henry Temple age 43, coal miner, > Hannah, age 43 > Elizabeth, daughter, age, 7, b. at Trimdon, Durham. > Jane Lunn, age 66, Aunt, a pauper and a soldiers widow, born > Northumberland. > > I have yet to figure out how Henry Temple had an aunt named Jane Lunn, as > the only "Jane", a daughter of Thomas Temple & Elizabeth Dagg, did not > marry > a Lunn. > Unless the Lunn connection is on the Dagg side of the marriage, and I have > not researched that line. > Mike Temple. > - > .. > Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any > reply...... Thank you! > > The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at > http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Ingrid & Linda, I have noted your mention of Temple's in the email exchange and I have researched the Temple's mentioned some years ago. Ref. the 1851 census, HO/1417, Folio 83 page 13, sch. 43, Thomas Temple, aged 74, was the son of James Temple & Mary Scott of Elsdon, Thomas's first wife being Elizabeth Dagg. Elizabeth died in 1835 and Thomas Temple aged 61, coal miner of Brownrigg pit house, remarried to Ann Familton, a widow of Dunns Houses, at St. Cuthbert's Elsdon 19 May 1838. The 1851 census records at Brownrigg Pit House, Elsdon parish, Thomas Temple, his wife Ann, a step daughter Mary Ann Carnagie, unmarried, age 38, an Ag. Lab. and Ann Temple Carnagie,, grand daughter aged 3. The 1851 census at Elisham Gate, Elsdon parish, HO 107/2417 Folio 83, page 12, sch. 44, also recorded a Henry Temple, age 43 , a coal miner. Henry was the son of Thomas Temple and Elizabeth Dagg, and he married Hannah Edington of North Chatton 18 March 1837. The 1851 census records Henry Temple age 43, coal miner, Hannah, age 43 Elizabeth, daughter, age, 7, b. at Trimdon, Durham. Jane Lunn, age 66, Aunt, a pauper and a soldiers widow, born Northumberland. I have yet to figure out how Henry Temple had an aunt named Jane Lunn, as the only "Jane", a daughter of Thomas Temple & Elizabeth Dagg, did not marry a Lunn. Unless the Lunn connection is on the Dagg side of the marriage, and I have not researched that line. Mike Temple. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ingrid Clausen" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2013 12:04 AM Subject: Re: [NMB] CARNAGEY/LUNN > Hi > > There is a brief item in the Newcastle Courant 14 Feb 1844 noting the > committal for trial of Jane & Walter Lunn of Otterburn - Walter charged > with stealing a box containing hardware and jewellery belonging to Fran. > McDermott, a hawker, & Jane charged with receiving. The details of the > sentence are reported on 1 March 1844. > > I can see a James & Jane Lunn in Otterburn in the 1841 census, with a > Carnegy child in the household. James is a weaver born in Scotland. Is the > Walter Lunn in Earsdon your family member? Have you confirmed the > relationship between Walter and Jane? And Walter and James? Have you > Walter's baptism or his marriage? If you track any children James and Jane > have had, then these may provide clues to help you move backwards. I am > not sure how much info you have about this later generation? > > In 1851, there are 2 widowed Jane Lunns in the area of the right age. One > is in Otterburn village, as is consistent with the earlier & later census > entries. This Jane is living next to John & Isabella Young as per 1841. > > The other is in Troughend (HO107/2417 folio 83 p13). This Troughend Jane > Lunn is described as the aunt of Henry Temple who is aged 43. This Jane > Lunn is a pauper and a soldier's widow. The household above is headed by > another Henry Temple, with a 64 year old wife Ann and a Carnegie > stepdaughter and 2 year old grandaughter Ann Temple Carnegie. I can't see > this Troughend Jane in 1841 or after 1851. I see from FreeBMD that a Jane > Lunn's death is registered in June Q 1853, Bellingham reg district. Have > you disentangled these entries? > > I have seen a number of posts from a lister undertaking research on his > Temple family in this area, and perhaps he may be able to help with the > Temple households. You could also check the archives for this list. > > I agree with the comments that you need to search non-conformist records. > I have checked a transcript of Harbottle Presbyterian Chapel baps (because > I have it, not because it is the most likely :). There is a James Lunn, > son of John and Mary Lunn, Harbottle, born 28 June 1791 & baptised 10 July > 1791. People could easily be born in one country but baptised in another, > however in this case the short period between birth and baptism seems to > suggest that this is unlikely. The age is not a great fit either. > > Here is a link to the Bishop's Transcripts mentioned by Geoff. They need > to be viewed as you would a film - they have not been indexed. I can't see > Elsdon in the BTs, but Chollerton and some nearby parishes are there. > These are just C of E records and all have gaps, but even if you find only > burials these can be very helpful. > > https://www.familysearch.org/search/collection/1309819 > > Here is a link to an on-line version of Elsdon parish registers 1672 - > 1812: > > http://archive.org/stream/registersbaptis00goog/registersbaptis00goog_djvu.txt > > www.freereg.org.uk seems to have at least begun the process of > transcribing Chollerton parish baptisms. > > To access the non-con records mentioned by Geoff, if you do not live > locally you could see what is available through the LDS film catalogue and > order films to view at your nearest family history centre. See > www.familysearch.org > > Hope there is something useful here. > > Ingrid > > On 6/05/2013, at 10:29 PM, Linda Shaw wrote: > >> Hi all >> >> Trying to find info on Jane Carnagey born 1785, possibly in Chollerton, >> married James Lunn in 1819 in Elsdon. Recorded on census as living in >> Otterburn. Son Walter Lunn born 1823. >> >> Walter & Jane were convicted in 1844. Walter got 6 months for larceny and >> Jane 1 month for receiving stolen goods. >> >> Trying to find her parents but have hit a brick wall. >> >> Thank you >> Linda Shaw >> .. >> Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any >> reply...... Thank you! >> >> The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at >> http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > .. > Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any > reply...... Thank you! > > The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at > http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

On 07/05/2013 12:16, JOHN GOSLING wrote: > Hi All, > If Antonio changed his name and remained connected with the Robie Burns for any length of time, finding further records of the Inn might be a breakthrough. > > I've had a look on google, but references to the Robie Burns are sparse. > > Might anyone have had course to research the history of this establishment? > > Regards > > John Gosling > .. Hi John, According to Kelly's 1894 Directory the Robbie Burns is being run by a T. Johnsen. -- Helen Oram

Hi All,   I've just come across an intriguing entry in the 1879 edition of Kellys business directory.   It refers to an Antonio Francovich in connection (I assume as landlord) with the Robie Burns, which I further assume to be an Inn, which was located on Broad Quay, Clive Street.   Antonio is a bit of a mystery to me.   I am 99% certain he was the brother of Stefano Francovich, someone I know a great deal more about.   In fact, Stefano is right there in the same business directory, as the landlord of the Bedford Hotel on Bedford Street, something I was already aware of.   Stefano changed his name in due course to variations of Frank Stephens and I have been able to track him under that name.   But Antonio vanishes from history.   I've tried searching on obvious names he might of adopted; Tony Taylor for instance if he took the same approach as his brother, but without success.   It occurs to me that I might approach this from the perspective of the Robie Burns.   If Antonio changed his name and remained connected with the Robie Burns for any length of time, finding further records of the Inn might be a breakthrough.   I've had a look on google, but references to the Robie Burns are sparse.   Might anyone have had course to research the history of this establishment?   Regards   John Gosling

Hi There is a brief item in the Newcastle Courant 14 Feb 1844 noting the committal for trial of Jane & Walter Lunn of Otterburn - Walter charged with stealing a box containing hardware and jewellery belonging to Fran. McDermott, a hawker, & Jane charged with receiving. The details of the sentence are reported on 1 March 1844. I can see a James & Jane Lunn in Otterburn in the 1841 census, with a Carnegy child in the household. James is a weaver born in Scotland. Is the Walter Lunn in Earsdon your family member? Have you confirmed the relationship between Walter and Jane? And Walter and James? Have you Walter's baptism or his marriage? If you track any children James and Jane have had, then these may provide clues to help you move backwards. I am not sure how much info you have about this later generation? In 1851, there are 2 widowed Jane Lunns in the area of the right age. One is in Otterburn village, as is consistent with the earlier & later census entries. This Jane is living next to John & Isabella Young as per 1841. The other is in Troughend (HO107/2417 folio 83 p13). This Troughend Jane Lunn is described as the aunt of Henry Temple who is aged 43. This Jane Lunn is a pauper and a soldier's widow. The household above is headed by another Henry Temple, with a 64 year old wife Ann and a Carnegie stepdaughter and 2 year old grandaughter Ann Temple Carnegie. I can't see this Troughend Jane in 1841 or after 1851. I see from FreeBMD that a Jane Lunn's death is registered in June Q 1853, Bellingham reg district. Have you disentangled these entries? I have seen a number of posts from a lister undertaking research on his Temple family in this area, and perhaps he may be able to help with the Temple households. You could also check the archives for this list. I agree with the comments that you need to search non-conformist records. I have checked a transcript of Harbottle Presbyterian Chapel baps (because I have it, not because it is the most likely :). There is a James Lunn, son of John and Mary Lunn, Harbottle, born 28 June 1791 & baptised 10 July 1791. People could easily be born in one country but baptised in another, however in this case the short period between birth and baptism seems to suggest that this is unlikely. The age is not a great fit either. Here is a link to the Bishop's Transcripts mentioned by Geoff. They need to be viewed as you would a film - they have not been indexed. I can't see Elsdon in the BTs, but Chollerton and some nearby parishes are there. These are just C of E records and all have gaps, but even if you find only burials these can be very helpful. https://www.familysearch.org/search/collection/1309819 Here is a link to an on-line version of Elsdon parish registers 1672 - 1812: http://archive.org/stream/registersbaptis00goog/registersbaptis00goog_djvu.txt www.freereg.org.uk seems to have at least begun the process of transcribing Chollerton parish baptisms. To access the non-con records mentioned by Geoff, if you do not live locally you could see what is available through the LDS film catalogue and order films to view at your nearest family history centre. See www.familysearch.org Hope there is something useful here. Ingrid On 6/05/2013, at 10:29 PM, Linda Shaw wrote: > Hi all > > Trying to find info on Jane Carnagey born 1785, possibly in Chollerton, married James Lunn in 1819 in Elsdon. Recorded on census as living in Otterburn. Son Walter Lunn born 1823. > > Walter & Jane were convicted in 1844. Walter got 6 months for larceny and Jane 1 month for receiving stolen goods. > > Trying to find her parents but have hit a brick wall. > > Thank you > Linda Shaw > .. > Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any reply...... Thank you! > > The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi all Trying to find info on Jane Carnagey born 1785, possibly in Chollerton, married James Lunn in 1819 in Elsdon. Recorded on census as living in Otterburn. Son Walter Lunn born 1823. Walter & Jane were convicted in 1844. Walter got 6 months for larceny and Jane 1 month for receiving stolen goods. Trying to find her parents but have hit a brick wall. Thank you Linda Shaw

Linda: You don't say where you have looked for Jane's baptism. The obvious place is Chollerton parish register but there were a few non-C of E chapels in the district - not in Chollerton, true, but several in Hexham, which was the local market town (still is). If she is not to be found in Chollerton register or in any of the Hexham non-C of E ones, then you could look at nearby N Tynedale parishes. If you do, then don't forget the often-overlooked Chapelry of Birtley, a tiny place, but not too far from Chollerton. Carnegy/Carnegie etc is usually taken to have been of Scottish origin, so perhaps she had really been born on that side of the Border. You don't give your source for believing she had been born in Chollerton, but I shall assume that it was the census, which is a dubious source as it is very often wrong! Do you have this information from just one census or have you traced her through several, giving her birthplace as Chollerton in each of them? If the family were first-generation immigrants from Scotland then if Jane was born in England they could well have had her baptised in a Presbyterian church - have you looked at those in Falstone and Birdhopecraig? Have you looked at the actual 1819 Elsdon marriage register - or even at the BTs of it? That would tell you who the witnesses were at the wedding. Sometimes that includes one or both parents, or a brother, say, who may have had the same name as his father. If she was born in 1785 (more unconfirmed census information?) then she was aged about 34 when she married, so perhaps she was not the sort of young girl who would have had her father standing beside (or behind) her. With a similar caveat, have you also checked whether the wedding was by Licence? Have you ensured she was not a widow when she married? If she had been married before, then she would have been baptised, wherever, under a name other than Carnegie. Crime, some of it organised, was endemic in that part of Northumberland at the time of Jane's birth and youth - and I'm afraid many of the criminals went under aliases, so we can't really be certain without confirmatory evidence that she really had ever been a Carnegie at all - nor that her husband really was a Lunn (a Yorkshire, rather than a Northumberland surname) - see various publications and papers by eg George Bell, Barry Redfearn, etc, on that topic, especially on the Winter gang (I think Ken Brown once wrote a paper for the NDFHS Journal on them: NB - WInter's gibbet!). I suspect you have a difficult one, but it is therefore one which may require painstaking, thorough research to get through to the facts. A search of Northumberland etc Court Records might reveal whether Jane or her husband had any previous "form" or whether their single known crime was just a "one-off"! Geoff Nicholson -----Original Message----- From: Linda Shaw <[email protected]> To: NORTHUMBRIA <[email protected]> Sent: Mon, 6 May 2013 15:19 Subject: [NMB] CARNAGEY/LUNN Hi all Trying to find info on Jane Carnagey born 1785, possibly in Chollerton, married James Lunn in 1819 in Elsdon. Recorded on census as living in Otterburn. Son Walter Lunn born 1823. Walter & Jane were convicted in 1844. Walter got 6 months for larceny and Jane 1 month for receiving stolen goods. Trying to find her parents but have hit a brick wall. Thank you Linda Shaw .. Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any reply...... Thank you! The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Fran There is no one straight answer First are you sure she divorced? If she did, she could have kept her married name, reverted to her maiden name or used another Often a divorced woman remarried or used her previous married name but not always Likewise if she didn't divorce, many couples simply went their own way and married again Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 05/05/2013 18:16, knight frances wrote: > Hi Folks > can someone tell me how you go about finding a womans second marriage? she > is divorced so would I search for her in her former married name which she > kept or her maiden name. > Cheers Fran

In my experience women kept their married name for a second marriage, but it's probably a good idea to search using both maiden and married names. Ruth > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of knight frances > Sent: 05 May 2013 18:17 > To: [email protected] > Subject: [NMB] Information > > Hi Folks > can someone tell me how you go about finding a womans second > marriage? she is divorced so would I search for her in her > former married name which she kept or her maiden name. > Cheers Fran > .. > Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before > you post any reply...... Thank you! > > The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at > http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Fran I think it depends on when you are searching. You usually find a divorced woman indexed under her (former) married name. In more modern times they are often also indexed under the maiden name. At least this is my experience Christel >________________________________ > From: knight frances <[email protected]> >To: [email protected] >Sent: Sunday, 5 May 2013, 18:16 >Subject: [NMB] Information > > >Hi Folks >can someone tell me how you go about finding a womans second marriage? she >is divorced so would I search for her in her former married name which she >kept or her maiden name. >Cheers Fran >.. >Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any reply...... Thank you! > >The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

Hi Folks can someone tell me how you go about finding a womans second marriage? she is divorced so would I search for her in her former married name which she kept or her maiden name. Cheers Fran

Hello Fran - several replies have mentioned the fact that there are no hard rules to follow. Women have been know to revert to their maiden name. or to use an adopted name if they lived with a man without marrying. I have seen examples of these. Then if you consider variations in spelling of surnames it simply multiplies the number of options that you have to test. I encountered a surprising case (my aunt) who married a Mr. Green who died. She then married another unrelated (as far as I can tell) Mr. Green. For the second marriage it appears in the GRO records as. John GREEN; Annie H. GREEN; Annie H. ATKINSON. Some years ago the subject was discussed on this List and someone (I believe it was Brian Pears) submitted the following: "If a woman remarried after her first husband passed away, she could use her married last name, or her maiden name, because it depends on which name she was using at the time - the law is that you marry under the name you are known by at the time. This is usually the first married name, but sometimes a woman will revert to her maiden name. Also, sometimes a woman may cohabit between the marriages with the woman assuming the surname of her partner. The indexes should include entries under the maiden surname and under previous married or assumed surnames, but this assumes that the Registrar was told - he could only record what he was told, and not everyone was honest or forthcoming." Charles Atkinson, Niagara Falls, Canada. At 06:16 PM 05/05/2013 +0100, you wrote: >Hi Folks >can someone tell me how you go about finding a womans second marriage? she >is divorced so would I search for her in her former married name which she >kept or her maiden name. >Cheers Fran

Hi Fran, In some cases records (www.familysearch.org) show a marriage with the spouse's parents name.  This might be a clue to searching for the spouse's maiden name.  Do a cross reference to look for her baptism record, to be sure it is the same individual you are searching.  The marriages may show up with the same maiden name, showing the dates of  marriages.  I have a similar situation with a 2x g grandfather with the same name.  Everyone and his brother has the same name, making it difficult to track the right person.  The dates, his parents and place of birth is a clue, and following up on the clues reveal other bits of information that may surprise you.  Good luck, SC  ________________________________ From: Nivard Ovington <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Sunday, May 5, 2013 11:58 AM Subject: Re: [NMB] Information Hi Fran There is no one straight answer First are you sure she divorced? If she did, she could have kept her married name, reverted to her maiden name or used another Often a divorced woman remarried or used her previous married name but not always Likewise if she didn't divorce, many couples simply went their own way and married again Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 05/05/2013 18:16, knight frances wrote: > Hi Folks > can someone tell me how you go about finding a womans second marriage? she > is divorced so would I search for her in her former married name which she > kept or her maiden name. > Cheers Fran .. Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any reply...... Thank you! The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

My 6th g.grandfather was a Robert Wright. His daughter Mary married Robert Thubborn (other variations such as Thubron, Thubborn, and in Robert Wright's will Suborn) in Sedgefield 9th Feb 1717/18 In looking for more information about the Wrights, who were landowners around Sedgefield, I have come across a variety of peculiar references to a Robert Wright Esq. of Sedgefield who removed to South Carolina, was appointed Chief Justice, .... in Charleston married a widow named Pitts and had a son James Wright who became the Governor of Georgia. (Historical Collections of Georgia, by George White), then died in 1737. It seems there was definitely such a person, although the above reference is somewhat untrue, because a Robert Wright of Middle Temple Middx. married Alicia Pitt, widow, in Sedgefield Oct 7th 1689, and there are other references to the marriage being in London, I believe inspired by misreading the Marriage Bond. The most intriguing evidence is a letter written January 21st 1725 from Elizabeth Hyrne in Charlestown, Carolina to her brother in England: "Here is laitly arrived in this province one Mr. Robert Wright a gentleman of large family both sons and daughters they appear to be very genteel people and to have good substance it is said they have now 4 or 500 pounds in England at a place called Saigfield near Newcastle, that he has been a member of the English Parliament, he has brought over a coach, several servants in livery, what was his reason for leaving England I cannot tell some say his father was a Judge in King James reign...." There are many family trees including this person to be found on the Net, the one I like best showing him to be born when his mother was 6 years old! They all appear to be compiled on the ancient principle that all people called Robert Wright must be the same person. The are three Robert Wright births in the Sedgefield P.R. s. - 1658, father Richard Wright, died within weeks, then 1661, same father - this one is my ancestor, and he died in 1724; then in 1699 the 1661 Robert had a son, Robert, obviously too late to be involved in the saga.. But there is no evidence that the mysterious Robert was actually born in Sedgefield - he certainly married there but was living in London at the time. What puzzles me is that I can find no reference to this Robert in the various papers on Sedgefield such as the VCH, and he doesn't appear in the Wright family tree in Surtees History and Antiquities of the County Palatine of Durham, 1823 (http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=76338) . There wasn't an MP called Robert Wright from Sedgefield, and if he was such a notable person surely there should be some mention of him? (incidentally don't try searching" Sedgefield MP" or you will get the best part of a million references to Tony Blair) There are plenty of references to other Wrights, particularly several Richards, but not this one. I do have a copy of my Robert Wright (1661) will but it throws no light on this other than to confirm the information in Surtees,, although that does contain some minor transcription errors. Has anyone come across this family? Adrian

Thanks Hazel On 04/05/2013 2:18 AM, Hazel Goodman wrote: > The parochial survey is in the process of being transcribed. > Google "1835 Parochial Survey of Whickham" which gives you a link to > Rootschat & the transcriber. > > Hazel >