Dear people, I have found my direct ancestor Sarah Harle,60 living in Coxhoe in the 1841 census. She is living with John Harle, 25, his wife Dorothy(nee Todd) 24,and their son John. I have found John and Dorothy's marriage in N on T in the April, May, June quarter of 1839, but have no more particulars than that. I can find no more details about John and cannot fit him into the family at all. Help?? Heather Brain Mel. V.A

Heather: Further to my last message, in 1816 Robert Harle was of "Wallsend" and his occupation was "Corver" - that is, he made and repaired the corves or large wicker baskets in which coal was then transported from the face to the shaft bottom and then hauled up the shaft. Geoff Nicholson -----Original Message----- From: Heather Brain <[email protected]> To: northumbria <[email protected]> Sent: Wed, 15 May 2013 9:08 Subject: [NMB] John Harle and wife Dorothy Dear people, I have found my direct ancestor Sarah Harle,60 living in Coxhoe in the 1841 census. She is living with John Harle, 25, his wife Dorothy(nee Todd) 24,and their son John. I have found John and Dorothy's marriage in N on T in the April, May, June quarter of 1839, but have no more particulars than that. I can find no more details about John and cannot fit him into the family at all. Help?? Heather Brain Mel. V.A .. Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any reply...... Thank you! The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Heather: I note that the wedding you seek has now been discovered, in St John [the Baptist}'s church in Grainger Street in the centre of Newcastle. I have therefore concentrated on seeking the baptism of John Harle for you. I note it has been found that in the 1861 census he said that he had been born in Wallsend. Unfortunately, although I have, in my database of Northumberland baptisms, all those from Wallsend at that period, I cannot find a suitable John Harle. My first reaction was that I should report the following family. They are the family of Robert and Catherine Harle and were: Mary Ann (bap at Wallsend 1816 Apr 7), John Sanderson (bap at Tynemouth 1820 Jul 26), Catherine (bap at Tynemouth 1822 May 24) and Margaret (bap at Tynemouth 1828 Jun 25). Perhaps John Sanderson Harle was your John and he had a "late" baptism, after the family had moved from "somewhere within Wallsend parish" to somewhere within Tynemouth parish". I'm afraid I don't have the full details of the parents' address nor of the father's occupation for those baptisms. However, on further searching, I found that there is another candidate for your John. That is the baptism of John, son of "John and Sarah Heril" at Wallsend on 22 September 1816. The address was simply "Wallsend" and the father was a "pitman". I could find no further siblings. The birth year of 1817 seems to have been arrived at by subtracting the age of 44 from the census year 1861. Given that an age of 34, even if correct, means "over 34 but not yet 35", he could have ben born in either 1816 or 1817, depending on his birthday, so unless the name "John Sanderson" means anything to you, I tend to favour the John Heril entry. Over to you - it's your choice. Geoff Nicholson -----Original Message----- From: Heather Brain <[email protected]> To: northumbria <[email protected]> Sent: Wed, 15 May 2013 9:08 Subject: [NMB] John Harle and wife Dorothy Dear people, I have found my direct ancestor Sarah Harle,60 living in Coxhoe in the 1841 census. She is living with John Harle, 25, his wife Dorothy(nee Todd) 24,and their son John. I have found John and Dorothy's marriage in N on T in the April, May, June quarter of 1839, but have no more particulars than that. I can find no more details about John and cannot fit him into the family at all. Help?? Heather Brain Mel. V.A .. Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any reply...... Thank you! The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Is anyone connected to the Shields family that lived at 8 Atkinson Terrace, Wallsend at the time of the 1911 census? I recently acquired a Post Card with a photograph of what appears to be a WW1 soldier, reputed to be a L/Cpl in the Yorkshire Regiment, Green Howards. Written on the back of the card are the words, "If found, please return to 8 Atkinson Terrace, Wallsend-on-Tyne". In 1911 the family of Joseph and Rose Ann Shields were living at 8 Atkinson Terrace, along with their son Joseph, who was born in Newcastle in 1884. The parents were born in Scotland. I am interested to learn whether the person in the photograph is Joseph Shields, Jnr. If anyone has any connection to this family I would be very interested to hear from you, and if necessary I can provide a scanned copy of the photograph to aid identification. Best wishes Geoff Fynes

Thanks Dalcy, I shall have a look. Allan On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 4:20 AM, Gripich <[email protected]> wrote: > Have you tried to explore the TROVE site in AUS for possible sightings? > http://trove.nla.gov.au/ > I have found it very useful for family emmigrating to AUS, recently located > the death notice of a long lost relative. > Dalcy Gripich > > .. > Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any > reply...... Thank you! > > The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at > http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Allan There is a sad little item in the Shields Daily Gazette of 3 Sep 1867 about a 12 year old Douglas Robson charged with stealing a shilling (from someone living in Tyne Dock). His father is stated to be in Australia. Any connection? If so, you may wish to put your enquiry on an Australian forum and I am sure they will be very helpful. You could also check the on-line BMD indexes for the various Australian states - [have just seen that Royalene has kindly done NSW]. Google for the addresses. [Just saw Royalene's message & agree about name change - this was v common] You may also wish to try searching historical newspapers - http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper I see that Ancestry has Douglas Robson aged 24 on board the Cairngorm in 1860, sailing London to Sydney, so maybe he came and went from the UK? Have you checked the merchant seamen's records on FMP? Ingrid On 12/05/2013, at 11:51 PM, Allan Robson wrote: > Douglas Robson was born in Newcastle in 1835... the last trace I > have of him was 1856 when he was serving on the 'SS Cairngorm' which sailed > to Australia, after that the trail goes cold, he does not show on any > further English Census, or is there any record of him getting married or > his death. > Maybe he stayed in Australia?

Hi Alan, A quick check of NSW Marriages 1788-1962 and Deaths 1788-1982 have no record for a Douglas Robson. NSW is not the only state in Australia, he could have stayed in Victoria, Tasmania, South Australia or Western Australia, all with separate records. Also, if he jumped ship he may have changed his name. Regards, Royalene, Wyong, NSW,Australia.

Have you tried to explore the TROVE site in AUS for possible sightings? http://trove.nla.gov.au/ I have found it very useful for family emmigrating to AUS, recently located the death notice of a long lost relative. Dalcy Gripich

Thanks for both replies, it is possible he changed his name, the The Douglas Robson you found in 1867 is one I have looked at , I have never found his birth to see who his parents were, I think there is a possibility that he could be the son of my Douglas Robson especially with the Australia Connection. Allan On Sun, May 12, 2013 at 8:49 PM, Ingrid Clausen <[email protected]>wrote: > Hi Allan > > There is a sad little item in the Shields Daily Gazette of 3 Sep 1867 > about a 12 year old Douglas Robson charged with stealing a shilling (from > someone living in Tyne Dock). His father is stated to be in Australia. Any > connection? > > If so, you may wish to put your enquiry on an Australian forum and I am > sure they will be very helpful. You could also check the on-line BMD > indexes for the various Australian states - [have just seen that Royalene > has kindly done NSW]. Google for the addresses. [Just saw Royalene's > message & agree about name change - this was v common] You may also wish to > try searching historical newspapers - http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper > > I see that Ancestry has Douglas Robson aged 24 on board the Cairngorm in > 1860, sailing London to Sydney, so maybe he came and went from the UK? > > Have you checked the merchant seamen's records on FMP? > > Ingrid > > On 12/05/2013, at 11:51 PM, Allan Robson wrote: > > > Douglas Robson was born in Newcastle in 1835... the last trace I > > have of him was 1856 when he was serving on the 'SS Cairngorm' which > sailed > > to Australia, after that the trail goes cold, he does not show on any > > further English Census, or is there any record of him getting married or > > his death. > > Maybe he stayed in Australia? > > > .. > Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any > reply...... Thank you! > > The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at > http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello All I wonder if anyone has any idea's on the following: Douglas Robson was born in Newcastle in 1835 his parents were John Robson & Eleanor Urwin. The family moved to Sunderland around 1847, Douglas is not showing on the 1851 Census as he was a Seaman in the Merchant Service, the last trace I have of him was 1856 when he was serving on the 'SS Cairngorm' which sailed to Australia, after that the trail goes cold, he does not show on any further English Census, or is there any record of him getting married or his death. Maybe he stayed in Australia? Thanks Allan

Thank you Russell Wear, Brian Pears, Nivard Ovington and Christina Salisbury for your information. Yes, I am sure it my great uncle Daniel Cairns, as he has the same address as that listed on my grandmother's marriage certificate in 1915. As you can gather, I'm a newbie to all this, so the information you've supplied for the correct lists to search and list query protocol are very helpful. Judging from your information, it seems very likely for whatever reason, Daniel Cairns never reached New York, especially given his death in Gateshead in 1931. Unfortunately, he never married, so no decendants to trace to possibly discover what did happen. Thanks again respondents for your help. Maureen Davison

I had a similar case with some of my ancestors - they were listed on a manifest from Liverpool to New York but crossed out. I found them sailing a week later but don't know why they did not go on the earlier ship. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Maureen Davison Sent: 12 May 2013 10:04 To: [email protected] Subject: [NMB] Cairns of Gateshead - SS Campagnia Passenger List Query I've found a reference via the New York Passenger Lists, that my maternal great-uncle Daniel Cairns (b.1883), possibly travelled there from Liverpool on 28th June 1913 on the SS Campagnia, Cunard Line, arrival 5th July. However, he is not listed on the UK Outward Passenger Lists, which does contain records for this sailing, The New York listing has a ruled strike-through against his entire entry. Given that he's almost certainly the Daniel Cairns who's death at 48 is listed in Gateshead 1931, I'm wondering if he did indeed set sail - although I appreciate he may have returned home at a later date. I wondering if anyone shed any light on why there might be a ruled line through his entry, there one other example of this for another passenger on the same page. Has anyone encountered this searching similar records for their ancestors? Given the lack of outward list record, is it possible he booked but never got there? If so, I'm left puzzling as to why he was recorded on the destination side if so. Thanking you Maureen Davison .. Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any reply...... Thank you! The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Maureen Crossing through usually means they booked but did not sail The passenger lists were not made up from individual informants but from other booking or manifest lists So for some reason, ill health (he or another family member perhaps) or some other reason he didn't sail Are you sure its him? does the address 26 Bronte Street mean anything to you? the occupation does tally with the 1911 occupation A family named PARR were there in 1911 NB it does help to say how you found him recorded which is as below, the ship is the *Campania* New York, Passenger Lists, 1820-1957 about Daniel Carns Name: Daniel Carns Arrival Date: 5 Jul 1913 Birth Date: abt 1884 Birth Location: England Birth Location Other: gatestead Age: 29 Gender: Male Ethnicity/ Nationality: English Port of Departure: Liverpool, England Port of Arrival: New York, New York Ship Name: Campania Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 12/05/2013 10:03, Maureen Davison wrote: > I've found a reference via the New York Passenger Lists, that my maternal > great-uncle Daniel Cairns (b.1883), possibly travelled there from Liverpool > on 28th June 1913 on the SS Campagnia, Cunard Line, arrival 5th July. > > However, he is not listed on the UK Outward Passenger Lists, which does > contain records for this sailing, The New York listing has a ruled > strike-through against his entire entry. > > Given that he's almost certainly the Daniel Cairns who's death at 48 is > listed in Gateshead 1931, I'm wondering if he did indeed set sail - > although I appreciate he may have returned home at a later date. > > I wondering if anyone shed any light on why there might be a ruled > line through his entry, there one other example of this for another > passenger on the same page. Has anyone encountered this searching similar > records for their ancestors? Given the lack of outward list record, is > it possible he booked but never got there? If so, I'm left puzzling as to > why he was recorded on the destination side if so. > > Thanking you > > Maureen Davison

Maureen Davison <[email protected]> wrote: >I wondering if anyone shed any light on why there might be a ruled >line through his entry, there one other example of this for another >passenger on the same page. Has anyone encountered this searching >similar records for their ancestors? Given the lack of outward list >record, is it possible he booked but never got there? If so, I'm left >puzzling as to why he was recorded on the destination side if so. Maureen Your query doesn't relate to the list area so isn't really appropriate here. Perhaps you should consider posting to TheShipsList which deals with emigration, immigration, passenger lists, border records etc. For information on TheShipsList see http://goo.gl/PY0rn Brian -- Brian Pears (Joint List Admin - NORTHUMBRIA Mailing List)

I have come across instances of this - I had one case where the entry was ruled through and then marked "Stet - Ok - on board". I think it must mean they had booked but did not travel. Russell Wear -----Original Message----- From: Maureen Davison Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2013 10:16 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [NMB] Cairns of Gateshead - SS Campagnia Passenger List Query I meant to say '*not *recorded on the destination side.' Maureen Davison On 12 May 2013 10:03, Maureen Davison <[email protected]> wrote: > I've found a reference via the New York Passenger Lists, that my maternal > great-uncle Daniel Cairns (b.1883), possibly travelled there from > Liverpool > on 28th June 1913 on the SS Campagnia, Cunard Line, arrival 5th July. > > However, he is not listed on the UK Outward Passenger Lists, which does > contain records for this sailing, The New York listing has a ruled > strike-through against his entire entry. > > Given that he's almost certainly the Daniel Cairns who's death at 48 is > listed in Gateshead 1931, I'm wondering if he did indeed set sail - > although I appreciate he may have returned home at a later date. > > I wondering if anyone shed any light on why there might be a ruled > line through his entry, there one other example of this for another > passenger on the same page. Has anyone encountered this searching similar > records for their ancestors? Given the lack of outward list record, is > it possible he booked but never got there? If so, I'm left puzzling as to > why he was recorded on the destination side if so. > > Thanking you > > Maureen Davison > .. Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any reply...... Thank you! The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Ignore that last email - senior moment! On 12 May 2013 10:16, Maureen Davison <[email protected]> wrote: > I meant to say '*not *recorded on the destination side.' > > Maureen Davison > > > On 12 May 2013 10:03, Maureen Davison <[email protected]> wrote: > >> I've found a reference via the New York Passenger Lists, that my maternal >> great-uncle Daniel Cairns (b.1883), possibly travelled there from Liverpool >> on 28th June 1913 on the SS Campagnia, Cunard Line, arrival 5th July. >> >> However, he is not listed on the UK Outward Passenger Lists, which does >> contain records for this sailing, The New York listing has a ruled >> strike-through against his entire entry. >> >> Given that he's almost certainly the Daniel Cairns who's death at 48 is >> listed in Gateshead 1931, I'm wondering if he did indeed set sail - >> although I appreciate he may have returned home at a later date. >> >> I wondering if anyone shed any light on why there might be a ruled >> line through his entry, there one other example of this for another >> passenger on the same page. Has anyone encountered this searching similar >> records for their ancestors? Given the lack of outward list record, is >> it possible he booked but never got there? If so, I'm left puzzling as to >> why he was recorded on the destination side if so. >> >> Thanking you >> >> Maureen Davison >> > >

I meant to say '*not *recorded on the destination side.' Maureen Davison On 12 May 2013 10:03, Maureen Davison <[email protected]il.com> wrote: > I've found a reference via the New York Passenger Lists, that my maternal > great-uncle Daniel Cairns (b.1883), possibly travelled there from Liverpool > on 28th June 1913 on the SS Campagnia, Cunard Line, arrival 5th July. > > However, he is not listed on the UK Outward Passenger Lists, which does > contain records for this sailing, The New York listing has a ruled > strike-through against his entire entry. > > Given that he's almost certainly the Daniel Cairns who's death at 48 is > listed in Gateshead 1931, I'm wondering if he did indeed set sail - > although I appreciate he may have returned home at a later date. > > I wondering if anyone shed any light on why there might be a ruled > line through his entry, there one other example of this for another > passenger on the same page. Has anyone encountered this searching similar > records for their ancestors? Given the lack of outward list record, is > it possible he booked but never got there? If so, I'm left puzzling as to > why he was recorded on the destination side if so. > > Thanking you > > Maureen Davison >

I've found a reference via the New York Passenger Lists, that my maternal great-uncle Daniel Cairns (b.1883), possibly travelled there from Liverpool on 28th June 1913 on the SS Campagnia, Cunard Line, arrival 5th July. However, he is not listed on the UK Outward Passenger Lists, which does contain records for this sailing, The New York listing has a ruled strike-through against his entire entry. Given that he's almost certainly the Daniel Cairns who's death at 48 is listed in Gateshead 1931, I'm wondering if he did indeed set sail - although I appreciate he may have returned home at a later date. I wondering if anyone shed any light on why there might be a ruled line through his entry, there one other example of this for another passenger on the same page. Has anyone encountered this searching similar records for their ancestors? Given the lack of outward list record, is it possible he booked but never got there? If so, I'm left puzzling as to why he was recorded on the destination side if so. Thanking you Maureen Davison

Thank you for the kind replies on the Robie Burns Inn. I've dug a bit more and collated what I know of Antonio Francovich, so thought I would share back in the hope it might prove useful to someone, one day. Antonio Francovich, born Austria, 1847. Married Margaret Welsh, 21st Jun 1875, Roman Catholic Chapel, Bedford Street, North Shields. Resident at time on Clive Street. Still on Clive Street, 02nd Jan 1879 when first child Natelle born. Resident "Robie Burns" Broad Quay, Clive Street, 1879 Kelly's Directory - I wonder when he became associated with the Robie Burns? Might he have been there in 1875? Resident 1 Linskills Bank, 1881 census, with wife and Natelle. So the association with the Robie Burns may well have been quite short-lived. Last sighting, 2nd July 1884, Coulson's Bank, from birth cert of 2nd child Mary. Regards John

This tavern closed in 1899. M. Robson