Gwyneth: If her address in the burial register was "St Anne's Row", then that will be where she had been living immediately before her death. I was rather surprised, given the period, to see that her age was apparently not mentioned. Your message does pose a certain little puzzle. St Ann's Row is a terrace of houses set back from what is now called City Road, about half a mile east of All Saints' Church. Between City Road and St Ann's Row there is the church and churchyard of St Ann's church. St Ann's was originally a Chapel of Ease for the parish of All Saints, and served the Ouseburn and Byker areas, while All Saints itself concentrated on those parts of its parish which were more in the city centre, including the Quayside with its various "Chares" or narrow lanes. To put it crudely, All Saints covered those parts of its parish which lay within the old city walls, while St Ann's covered those parts of the parish which were outside them The early registers of St Anne's include some (to us) hilarious items of correspondence, being messages from the Vicar of All Saints (and upwards in the Church Hierarchy) to the Priest in charge at St Anne's, telling him to desist in keeping a separate register, and to leave it to the man at All Saints to record events in his parish register! It seems there may have been more than one of the priests at St Anne's who chose to ignore those messages, possibly to the detriment of his own career, and keep on entering events in his own register regardless! The puzzle, to me at least, is why, if Christian Dodds lived in St Anne's Row, right next to St Anne's church, was she not buried there? One thing which springs to mind directly is that possibly she was, but the entry was put into All Saints' register, as explained above. Another is that perhaps there was a family grave in All Saints' churchyard and she, or her family, had wanted her buried there. As I have explained, the registers will be too biased for their entries or non-entries to mean much, either the originals or the BTs. St Anne's MIs are available from the NDFHS (see www.ndfhs.org.uk), but of course many graves never had a stone and many of those which had, especially in those inner-city parishes have suffered from vandalism over the years, and All Saints' MIs have never, to my knowledge, been properly recorded. There is a book compiled about a century ago by the ubiquitous Edwin Dodds and friends, now in Newcastle Library, entitled "Pedigrees from Stones in All Saints' Churchyard", but the emphasis is on the pedigrees rather than the inscriptions themselves and there is no guarantee that all the stones were taken into account - perhaps it was just those considered "interesting" or "important"! Geoff Nicholson -----Original Message----- From: Gwyneth Watson User via <northumbria@rootsweb.com> To: northumbria <northumbria@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sun, 24 Aug 2014 5:47 Subject: [NMB] St Ann's Row Hello, I¹m sorting out my Dodds line and have the following: Durham Diocese Bishop¹s Transcripts 1700-1900 - All Saints Newcastle Upon Tyne Deaths 1811 Christian Dodds died Mar 18, buried Mar 21, St Ann¹s Row, wife of John Dodds, Agent, late Stephenson Could someone please tell me would she have been living in St Ann¹s Row when she died and where is it please? Cheers Gwyneth Sydney .. Please quote the minimum necessary to put your reply on context. Please introduce yourself at the top of every post. The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORTHUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello, I¹m sorting out my Dodds line and have the following: Durham Diocese Bishop¹s Transcripts 1700-1900 - All Saints Newcastle Upon Tyne Deaths 1811 Christian Dodds died Mar 18, buried Mar 21, St Ann¹s Row, wife of John Dodds, Agent, late Stephenson Could someone please tell me would she have been living in St Ann¹s Row when she died and where is it please? Cheers Gwyneth Sydney

I am grateful to the responses to the list after my posting. I know that there was a connection to the PORTER family (not PROCTOR, Geoff) because of Jacob Snowdon’s will dated 1848. In it he mentions “my nephew Charles Porter son of Charles Porter snr of the Spital Tongues Colliery near Newcastle. It is “family gossip” that says that Jacob’s daughter, Mary. married a Porter but perhaps it was his sister Mary who was born in 1755. The search goes on! Maurice Snowdon in Sheffield

Thank you Geoff and Hazel for the information, it was helpful. Fran Knight

Hi Geoff, As you know I sourced the above, one in Australia and the other from England. As the NDHS doesn't charge postage and Australia did, the price worked out evenly as I had to pay the English exchange rate. However I received the English one a week before I received the other from Adelaide which only arrived yesterday. Guess what I'm doing on a very wet Saturday morning here in Sydney? Cheers & thanks Gwyneth

Gwyneth: Enjoy! If you visit the NDFHS web site you can see the large selection of MI lists they have for sale - microfiche, A5 booklet or CD, as you wish. If you order several on CD they can be supplied all on the same CD. Dealing, as I frequently do, with many of those families, and being interested in local history anyway, I either know or, until recently, used to know, those of their businesses which still survived. I therefore find their MIs fascinating. The NDFHS S Tyneside branch, of which I am Chairman, once had a conducted tour of Newcastle General Cemetery. Our guide - Alan Morgan! Geoff -----Original Message----- From: Gwyneth Watson User <cannycot@gmail.com> To: Geoff Nicholson <geoff.nicholson@aol.co.uk>; northumbria <northumbria@rootsweb.com> Sent: Fri, 22 Aug 2014 23:20 Subject: Re: Beyond the Grave / A Fine & Private Place Hi Geoff, As you know I sourced the above, one in Australia and the other from England. As the NDHS doesn't charge postage and Australia did, the price worked out evenly as I had to pay the English exchange rate. However I received the English one a week before I received the other from Adelaide which only arrived yesterday. Guess what I'm doing on a very wet Saturday morning here in Sydney? Cheers & thanks Gwyneth

I'm trying to find out anything about the parents of John SINCLAIR and Margaret WRIGHTSON (my great great grandparents). I just received a copy of heir marriage certificate. It means that some family trees online that include them, must be wrong about their parents. John and Margaret were married on 23 August 1859 in a United Presbyterian Church in Newcastle Upon Tyne. John Sinclair's (32 years) occupation Tobacconist, his father James Sinclair a Leather Dresser. Margaret Wrightson (20 years), father Stephen Wrightson, a Stone Dresser. I'm pretty certain James Sinclair would have been from and in Orkney. While I would have though Stephen Wrightson would have been from Newcastle or thereabouts. John Sinclair's obituary says he was from Edinburgh, and spent his early years in Orkney before moving to Newcastle Upon Tyne (where he lived for the rest of his life. Thanks, Carolyn

Hi Maurice, I don't know if what I've found for Mary Snowdon born/residing in Haltwhistle is of any help but here goes:- Mary Snowdon m John Dent 2/5/1836,Holy Cross,Haltwhistle (No other details) 5 deaths:- 1854,1856,1858 & 1862 (No details apart from the years)but 1870 shows her birth year as 1804.All these deaths are,of course,shown as Mary Snowdon which means she was a spinster when she died and all of them are shown as Haltwhistle. I'll keep trying for you. Mike Armiger in Adelaide,Oz.

From Hazel Goodman, Just to add a little info: My older brother, born 1943, full term but 'died at birth'. There is a register of still-births, but certificates are only available to next-of-kin. We were able to obtain this after my parents passed, and with some help from an organisation (I forget the name, but can find it, if anyone needs to know) were able to find out where he was buried, something my mother was never told! Being wartime, he was interred with a 'maiden lady', presumably because that was considered appropriate. This was 'down south' where my mother, born in Durham, was relocated. Hazel This sort of question is often confused with that of "What happened to stillbirths?". As far as I know, they, too, would have been buried in a cemetery/churchyard, but (usually) without a religious service and, also usually, all together in one plot kept for that purpose and not in ANY "family grave", that being because they were not, in theory, actual persons, never having had any separate existence away from their mother. Please quote the minimum necessary to put your reply on context. Please introduce yourself at the top of every post.

Fran: In a word, Yes. You have only to look at the burial registers of any cemetery or churchyard to see that those buried there had often lived for only a very short time - minutes in some cases. These days we tend to forget how prevalent infant death was until very recently. The religious - and, I'm pleased to say, the legal/moral attitude towards death is that any child which lived at all - ie which ever literally drew breath - was a person and when they died they deserved a "proper" funeral, just like any other person. In the cases you quote they would probably have been buried with the full usual religious ceremony, in accordance with the parents' wishes. This sort of question is often confused with that of "What happened to stillbirths?". As far as I know, they, too, would have been buried in a cemetery/churchyard, but (usually) without a religious service and, also usually, all together in one plot kept for that purpose and not in ANY "family grave", that being because they were not, in theory, actual persons, never having had any separate existence away from their mother. I also have a feeling, though I could well be wrong, that for Newcastle there was a part of the churchyard of St Anthony's, Walker , which was used for the burial of stillbirths. However, that is really just a half-remembered thing I may have been told "once". Of course, none of this alters the fact that each live birth (but not still-births) would result in the issue of a Birth Certificate and, after that person had died, the issue of a Death Certificate, whether they lived for one minute or a hundred years. Geoff Nicholson -----Original Message----- From: knight frances via <northumbria@rootsweb.com> To: NORTHUMBRIA <NORTHUMBRIA@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wed, 20 Aug 2014 21:22 Subject: [NMB] infant Deaths in 1930's Hi Folks I just want to know if babies who died at a few weeks old had proper funerals? I had a brother and sister who were born premature and died at six/eight weeks old respectively in the early 1930's in Newcastle. Would I seek dates from the normal cemeteries? I have dates of their births and deaths. Fran .. Please quote the minimum necessary to put your reply on context. Please introduce yourself at the top of every post. The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORTHUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Folks I just want to know if babies who died at a few weeks old had proper funerals? I had a brother and sister who were born premature and died at six/eight weeks old respectively in the early 1930's in Newcastle. Would I seek dates from the normal cemeteries? I have dates of their births and deaths. Fran

On 19/08/2014 16:23, msnowdon1 via wrote: > Dear List > > I am looking for information about Mary Snowdon who was born in Haltwhistle around 1800. She was the daughter of my 3xgreat grandfather Jacob (1759-1848). We know about his other children John (1787-1840), Jane (b1784), Jacob (b1795) and Thomas (b1793). Mary may have married .... Porter but I am unsure. > > Any leads would be most welcome. Thanks! > > Maurice Snowdon in Sheffield > Hello Maurice, There is a Mary Snowdon marriage to a Porter but it would seem to be too early? Name: William Porter <https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NVN3-C4D> Spouse's Name: Mary Snowdon Event Date: 13 Nov 1797 Event Place: Haltwhistle,Northumberland,England Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M00285-1 <https://familysearch.org/search/record/results?count=20&query=+batch_number:M00285-1> , System Origin: England-ODM , GS Film number: 252510, 252514 <https://familysearch.org/search/record/results?count=20&query=%2Bfilm_number%3A252510,%20252514> -- Helen Oram

Maurice: I can't find any trace of a Snowdon/ ----- Procter marriage anywhere in Northumberland 1813-37. However, there was one between a Mary Snowdon and a William Carr at Lambley on 10 October 1824. Could this have been her? That is, how sure are you about the Proctor connection? As far as Mary's baptism is concerned, you didn't say how close to 1800 she might have been born, but my IGI (1992 microfiche edition), which does cover Haltwhistle for that period, offers no Mary, daughter of Jacob Snowdon entries1790-1810 anywhere in Northumberland (that is covered by the IGI). Geoff Nicholson -----Original Message----- From: msnowdon1 via <northumbria@rootsweb.com> To: NORTHUMBRIA <NORTHUMBRIA@rootsweb.com> CC: Barry Snowdon <snowdonbarry@yahoo.co.uk> Sent: Tue, 19 Aug 2014 16:28 Subject: [NMB] Mary Snowdon Dear List I am looking for information about Mary Snowdon who was born in Haltwhistle around 1800. She was the daughter of my 3xgreat grandfather Jacob (1759-1848). We know about his other children John (1787-1840), Jane (b1784), Jacob (b1795) and Thomas (b1793). Mary may have married .... Porter but I am unsure. Any leads would be most welcome. Thanks! Maurice Snowdon in Sheffield .. Please quote the minimum necessary to put your reply on context. Please introduce yourself at the top of every post. The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORTHUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear List I am looking for information about Mary Snowdon who was born in Haltwhistle around 1800. She was the daughter of my 3xgreat grandfather Jacob (1759-1848). We know about his other children John (1787-1840), Jane (b1784), Jacob (b1795) and Thomas (b1793). Mary may have married .... Porter but I am unsure. Any leads would be most welcome. Thanks! Maurice Snowdon in Sheffield

Drewa: When you say "registered" I think you mean "baptised" and what you give as the birth date is actually the date of baptism, as is usual for baptism entries, especially those from before the introduction of civil registration in 1837. I am at a loss to know what you mean by "Wally A" and therefore shall not comment on it. Doddington parish register for that period does not mention occupations and gives only crude addresses, in this case "Doddington", which probably means "somewhere in Doddington village". Indeed, that is probably all that would be required, even today, Doddington village is so tiny. I do not have any note of them being twins, although of course they might well have been. Perhaps you have other evidence of that. They were baptised on the same day but that might have been a new-born baby and an older one whose baptism had "slipped through the net". The List of those liable to be balloted for the Northumberland Militia, drawn up in 1762, nine years before those baptisms, amounts almost to a list of all males in each parish aged 16 to 45. It includes only one John Anderson from Doddington parish and he is recorded as having been (in 1762) a "gardiner", ie a gardener. I would say that chances are that is the same as the father of 1771, though that is by no means certain. Geoff Nicholson -----Original Message----- From: drewa via <northumbria@rootsweb.com> To: Genealogy <northumbria@rootsweb.com> Sent: Fri, 15 Aug 2014 22:50 Subject: [NMB] Andersons I have in my family tree two children [ twins ] John and Ann born 14 10 1771 I hoping to find information on the parents Father John Anderson and Mother Elizabeth. The children were registered In Doddington Northumberland Wally A .. Please quote the minimum necessary to put your reply on context. Please introduce yourself at the top of every post. The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORTHUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have in my family tree two children [ twins ] John and Ann born 14 10 1771 I hoping to find information on the parents Father John Anderson and Mother Elizabeth. The children were registered In Doddington Northumberland Wally A

I opened it fine here in Sydney, using Safari. Cheers Gwyneth On 9/08/14 7:26 AM, "Doreen Welch via" <northumbria@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Doreen Perri (Canada) > > > > I can't quite figure out who sent this originally to this list > - The link is a good idea, and I thank you for > posting it.  However, from Canada, it says not found. > Thanks again, it would have been great. > >   > Doreen > > > ________________________________ > From: "northumbria@rootsweb.com" <northumbria@rootsweb.com> > To: northumbria@rootsweb.com > Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2014 10:37 AM > Subject: [NMB] Burials - St Andrews Newcastle > > > This link may be of interest to anyone who is looking for burials in the > Newcastle area: > http://www.jwillans.freeserve.co.uk/st_andrews_cemetery_inscriptions.pdf. > >> Ruth > .. > Please use "REPLY ALL" to respond to list messages, and please introduce > yourself at the top of every post. > > The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at > http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NORTHUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > .. > Please quote the minimum necessary to put your reply on context. Please > introduce yourself at the top of every post. > > The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at > http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NORTHUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

John A Graham-Smith Can anyone help please, William Brown/Sarah Ellen Calvert m abt Sep 1914 at Houghton Le Spring Co Durham. I have managed to locate her Parents and birth date. in 1928 oct Florence Brown was born in the Princess Mary Maternity Hospital in Newcastle upon Tyne. the family was living at 9 Jellico Terrace Leamside, Durham. Can you please help find William for me. Many thanks John

Doreen - it worked ok for me! Heather On 2014-08-08 3:26 PM, Doreen Welch via wrote: > Doreen Perri (Canada) > > > > I can't quite figure out who sent this originally to this list > - The link is a good idea, and I thank you for > posting it. However, from Canada, it says not found. > Thanks again, it would have been great. > > > Doreen > > > ________________________________ > > > > This link may be of interest to anyone who is looking for burials in the > Newcastle area: > http://www.jwillans.freeserve.co.uk/st_andrews_cemetery_inscriptions.pdf. > >

Doreen Perri........ Gwyneth and Heather, thanks for that.  I will try a different search engine.  Thanks   Doreen ________________________________ From: Gwyneth Watson User <cannycot@gmail.com> To: Doreen Welch <doreenwelch@yahoo.ca>; northumbria@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, August 8, 2014 7:06 PM Subject: Re: [NMB] Burials - St Andrews Newcastle I opened it fine here in Sydney,  using Safari. Cheers Gwyneth On 9/08/14 7:26 AM, "Doreen Welch via" <northumbria@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Doreen Perri (Canada) > > > > I can't quite figure out who sent this originally to this list > - The link is a good idea, and I thank you for > posting it.  However, from Canada, it says not found. > Thanks again, it would have been great. > >   > Doreen > > > ________________________________ >  From: "northumbria@rootsweb.com" <northumbria@rootsweb.com> > To: northumbria@rootsweb.com > Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2014 10:37 AM > Subject: [NMB] Burials - St Andrews Newcastle >  > > This link may be of interest to anyone who is looking for burials in the > Newcastle area: > http://www.jwillans.freeserve.co.uk/st_andrews_cemetery_inscriptions.pdf. > >> Ruth > .. > Please use "REPLY ALL" to respond to list messages, and please introduce > yourself at the top of every post. > > The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at > http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NORTHUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > .. > Please quote the minimum necessary to put your reply on context. Please > introduce yourself at the top of every post. > > The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at > http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NORTHUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message