Christene: Graham is correct in saying that there could be many reasons for a move, and it is unlikely that after all this time we shall ever get to understand completely why they went. There are, however, some points arising from Graham's answer. One is that it wouldn't be to find a better-paying lead mine, since there were none in Walton! The geology is quite different even though it is only a few miles away. Even in West Allendale, many people combined part-time farming on a small-holding with part-time working in a lead mine. Neither paid quite enough to live on but put together they could just about get by. So it is quite possible that going to Walton was a means of escaping the hard, dangerous, unhealthy, work in a lead mine. I don't think it is fair to say that nonconformists were persecuted in Allendale. Methodists were very strong there and just north (ie down-dale) from Carrshield was the Limestone Brae Primitive Methodist Church (strangely enough, it still exists but is now a Buddhist Temple!), which was the local centre for them once that "Connexion" had been founded. In the 1770s all Methodists were, effectively, Wesleyan, and that was quite strong throughout the Northumberland and Co Durham Dales. Carrshield Wesleyans were part of the Alston Circuit (Cumberland), and existed by 1805 and the Primitive Methodists in Carrshield were founded in 1825, ie more or less as soon as the Primitives broke away from the Wesleyans. Perhaps this indicates some division among the local Methodists, though whether it goes back to the 1770s is another matter. From the C of E point of view, the church at Carrshield, also known as Allen High Chapel, was a Chapelry of Allendale parish. Its registers go back only to 1823. however, so that was probably the date of its founding. Before that it seems the alternative for West Allendale people was either (1) to face the long trek over the hill to Allendale Town, (2) to go down the Dale to Ninebanks, another Chapelry of Allendale, founded in 1764, or else (3) to go to a local Wesleyan Chapel. Early Wesleyan churches in Ninebanks Chapelry were at High House (by 1805), Keenley (by 1750), or Wolf Cleugh (near Coalcleugh: by 1805). Walton was not only in a different county (Cumberland) but also in a different C of E Diocese (Carlisle). Let us not forget that there was also a considerable following in those Dales for the Society of Friends (Quakers). All in all, then, a potentially complex situation! Geoff Nicholson -----Original Message----- From: Graham & Christine Fairless via <northumbria@rootsweb.com> To: Christene Hoffert <christene.hoffert@gmail.com>; northumbria <northumbria@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sat, 30 Aug 2014 22:47 Subject: [NMB] West Allendale Hello Christene, Economic migrants, family ties or the opposite, religious reasons, booted off the land, young and newly married and had to find somewhere to go, under-age marriage so went somewhere else? If it were me, I would look at where they lived before they moved and where they lived "in" Walton. Is the latter a bigger land holding? Did they move to a (new) lead mine or one paying more? Were they non-conformists who were ostracised in West Allendale? Was there a family connection? I think there are lots of avenues to investigate, as well as the social history of the two areas. You may be lucky and have the father's occupation given in children's' baptism records. Regards Graham On 31/08/2014 8:46 a.m., Christene Hoffert via wrote: > Hi, > Can anyone give me some history of West Allendale particularly in the > 1776-1778 when my family left there for Walton, Cumberland. I just wonder > whether there was a reason for the move. .. Please quote the minimum necessary to put your reply on context. Please introduce yourself at the top of every post. The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORTHUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi, Can anyone give me some history of West Allendale particularly in the 1776-1778 when my family left there for Walton, Cumberland. I just wonder whether there was a reason for the move. I believe they may have been farmers at least my 3x great grandfather was one when he came to Canada. Christene

Thanks for that Information Alison. Mike Temple, Spain. -----Original Message----- From: Alison Wilson via Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 12:13 AM To: NORTHUMBRIA Subject: [NMB] BTs for St John's, Newcastle, on familysearch Listers, I have just found that baptisms (from August 1853 to end 1854) and burials 1854, which are part of the database of BTs for Durham/Northumberland, have been mis-indexedon the familysearch site Alison :-) Sydney Australia .. Please quote the minimum necessary to put your reply on context. Please introduce yourself at the top of every post. The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORTHUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Listers, I have just found that baptisms (from August 1853 to end 1854) and burials 1854, which are part of the database of BTs for Durham/Northumberland, have been mis-indexedon the familysearch site They appear on the database at www.familysearch.org under England, DurhamDiocese, Bishop's Transcripts 1639-1919 under the county of Durham (!) in the fictional parish of "Saint John"(and showsit has records for 1855) There are 70 pagesfrom the parish register of St John, Newcastle upon Tyne 1-14 baptisms 1853 from August 15-28 burials 1853 29-70 baptisms 1854 The databases as correctly indexed under Northumberland, Newcastle upon Tyne, St John show records only online to 1853and these incorrectly indexed parish records continue from there. Alison :-) Sydney Australia

On 29/08/2014 23:13, Alison Wilson via wrote: > I have just found that baptisms (from August 1853 to end 1854) and > burials 1854, which are part of the database of BTs for > Durham/Northumberland, have been mis-indexedon the familysearch site Thanks Alison, that's very useful information. -- Brian Pears Joint Admin NORTHUMBRIA Mailing List GENUKI Maintainer for Northumberland

Many thanks I will follow up on your suggestions. Much appreciate your interest in this. Regards Alan -----Original Message----- From: northumbria-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:northumbria-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Gen ListLass via Sent: 28 August 2014 11:39 To: northumbria@rootsweb.com Subject: [NMB] FW: ELLIOTT John 1781 From: genlistlass@hotmail.com To: alanbooth170@btinternet.com Subject: RE: [NMB] ELLIOTT John 1781 Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2014 16:34:45 +0100 There are 2 C of E marriages that might fitTweedmouth 9/9/1932 to Ann GILCHRISTRothbury 28/11/1819 to Ann PATTEN These are from the NBL marriages 1813-1837 CD They do NOT include any Quaker, Jewish or non-Conformist marriages, there were no non-Conf before 1837 anyway. Also does not include any Cross Border Marriage at a Scottish marriage house. They look a mature bride and groom, perhaps a second marriage for one or both? Often people had Cross Border marriages when they wanted to avoid gossip, not just because they were non-Conformist themselves. Gen in NBL England > From: alanbooth170@btinternet.com > To: genlistlass@hotmail.com; northumbria@rootsweb.com > Subject: RE: [NMB] ELLIOTT John 1781 > Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2014 15:48:00 +0100 > > Thank you -- She was born in Broomhill, Northumberland and was ten > years younger on the 1841, but shown as 73 in 1861 when living with > her son John Elliott born 1832. Await any further suggestions with interest. > Alan > > -----Original Message----- > From: northumbria-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:northumbria-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Gen ListLass > via > Sent: 26 August 2014 15:28 > To: northumbria@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [NMB] ELLIOTT John 1781 > > If you have Ann on the census, where was SHE born? Might help to pin > down a marriage. > John was about 40 when he married Ann? How old was she on census? > There were 5 Ann's marrying a John Elliott between 1813-1837 in > Northumberland > > Gen in NBL England > > > > Just joined to seek info. about John ELLIOTT born 1781, bap March > > 1782 Harbottle. Married Ann ? around 1821. Can't find her maiden > > name nor sound info. on John's parents. Any help much appreciated. > > > .. > Please quote the minimum necessary to put your reply on context. > Please introduce yourself at the top of every post. > > The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at > http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NORTHUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2014.0.4716 / Virus Database: 4007/8102 - Release Date: > 08/26/14 > .. Please quote the minimum necessary to put your reply on context. Please introduce yourself at the top of every post. The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORTHUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4745 / Virus Database: 4007/8110 - Release Date: 08/27/14

From: genlistlass@hotmail.com To: alanbooth170@btinternet.com Subject: RE: [NMB] ELLIOTT John 1781 Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2014 16:34:45 +0100 There are 2 C of E marriages that might fitTweedmouth 9/9/1932 to Ann GILCHRISTRothbury 28/11/1819 to Ann PATTEN These are from the NBL marriages 1813-1837 CD They do NOT include any Quaker, Jewish or non-Conformist marriages, there were no non-Conf before 1837 anyway. Also does not include any Cross Border Marriage at a Scottish marriage house. They look a mature bride and groom, perhaps a second marriage for one or both? Often people had Cross Border marriages when they wanted to avoid gossip, not just because they were non-Conformist themselves. Gen in NBL England > From: alanbooth170@btinternet.com > To: genlistlass@hotmail.com; northumbria@rootsweb.com > Subject: RE: [NMB] ELLIOTT John 1781 > Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2014 15:48:00 +0100 > > Thank you -- She was born in Broomhill, Northumberland and was ten years > younger on the 1841, but shown as 73 in 1861 when living with her son John > Elliott born 1832. Await any further suggestions with interest. > Alan > > -----Original Message----- > From: northumbria-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:northumbria-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Gen ListLass via > Sent: 26 August 2014 15:28 > To: northumbria@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [NMB] ELLIOTT John 1781 > > If you have Ann on the census, where was SHE born? Might help to pin down a > marriage. > John was about 40 when he married Ann? How old was she on census? > There were 5 Ann's marrying a John Elliott between 1813-1837 in > Northumberland > > Gen in NBL England > > > > Just joined to seek info. about John ELLIOTT born 1781, bap March 1782 > > Harbottle. Married Ann ? around 1821. Can't find her maiden name nor > > sound info. on John's parents. Any help much appreciated. > > > .. > Please quote the minimum necessary to put your reply on context. Please > introduce yourself at the top of every post. > > The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at > http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NORTHUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2014.0.4716 / Virus Database: 4007/8102 - Release Date: 08/26/14 >

Hi Geoff, I do not know the area at all but was going by what I found on the Genuki pages for the places I mentioned I had found as birth places in the 1851 & 1861 census for the Elliott family. I have just gone back to the Genuki page for Harbottle and see where I made a mistake in what I had written to the list. The page shows Harbottle comes into Alwinton Parish and not Alnwick as I wrote. When I searched for the place name Harbottle on the "Where is it in Northumberland" page of Genuki I found the following. "Harbottle - Holystone Parochial Chapelry - See: Alwinton [Parish] (RegD/SubD) Rothbury/Elsdon - See: Northumberland North 2nd" I am sorry for the error in my message with regard to Harbottle and hope I have not confused Alan too much and that he will accept my apology. While on the page for Alwinton I used the Nearby Places link at the top of the page and then put in Harbottle, up came the ref. for Harbottle of NT932046 and I made a search for places within a 25 mile radius of this ref. for Harbottle. I saw that there is a South Broomhill, East Chivington at 21 miles distant to the East of Harbottle. Broomhill at 20 Miles distant to the East of Harbottle, 13 Miles to the South of Harbottle is Broomhill and also at 21 miles Distant to the East South East of Harbottle is Broomhill Farm. The Genuki page for Where is it in Northumberland showed Broomhill and beside the place name it just says "See Warkworth (Parish)" Once again I apologise for the error in my stating Alnwick instead of Alwinton. Regards Jenny DeAngelis >> I was rather surprised you put the distance between Harbottle and >> Broomhill at only 19 miles. I would have estimated it as about half as >> far again. However, whatever the actual distance, and whether that is >> "as the crow flies" or "by road", the more important thing is that >> Harbottle is well into Coquetdale and a local centre for the sort of >> faming carried on there - some arable north and east of the village but >> mainly rough grazing for (now) sheep and (perhaps then) cattle on the >> slopes of the Cheviot Hills. Broomhill, however, was at the time in >> question a pleasantly rural place, close to the coast and quite >> productive agriculturally, situated as it is on the Northumberland >> coastal plain. Later it became a coal mining district and after that the >> whole landscape around there was altered by large-scale opencast >> workings. While one might, at a stretch, consider Broomhill as being in "Warkworth district", I cannot imagine any local person thinking of Harbottle as within "Alnwick district", whatever that may mean. What sort of District? Not the parish - perhaps the Ward of the County (a purely administrative thing and not used these days). Just possibly it might have been within Alnwick Rural District, but that was abolished in 1974. If you mean the modern "districts" into which the country is now divided for local government purposes, they are not really relevant for anything historical. Harbottle and Alnwick are well apart and I would expect Harbottle people to look towards Rothbury, further down the Coquet, as their local town, rather than Alnwick, beyond Rothbury, up over Rimside Moor to cross the A697 Wooler road, then across that and across Alnwick Moor before reaching Alnwick. Certainly Warkworth would not enter into it.>>

HI Alan, Could this be your Ann Elliott with sons John and Edward in the 1851 census? You only mentioned the entries in 1841 and 1861. Ref. HO107 piece 2419 folio 424 page 4 Alnwick Ann Elliott head widow age 65 born Alnwick NBL JOhn ditto son unmarr. aged 24 born Ditto Edward ditto son unmarr. aged19 born ditto I know these ages are out a little bit by what you gave for Ann and John but I just wondered if this family matched what else you might know of the Elliott family perhaps with the addition of Edward to the information you sent tot the list. It might help the rest of us to help you a little further. In the 1861 census entry that I looked at for Ann and JOhn I found that he was born Harbottle which the Genuki pages for NBL tell me comes in the Area of Alnwick and thought this entry 1851 entry above might fit. You say Ann was shown born Broomhill in the 1861 census, Broomhill, according to Genuki page for NBL, shows it comes into the area of Warkworth which is not so very far from the area of Alnwick, from looking at a map of the area. I think they area bout 19 miles apart, Warkworth and Harbottle, according again to the Genuki page for NBL. Hope this helps a little Regards Jenny DeAngelis <<Thank you -- She was born in Broomhill, Northumberland and was ten years younger on the 1841, but shown as 73 in 1861 when living with her son John Elliott born 1832. Await any further suggestions with interest. Alan>>

Jenny: I was rather surprised you put the distance between Harbottle and Broomhill at only 19 miles. I would have estimated it as about half as far again. However, whatever the actual distance, and whether that is "as the crow flies" or "by road", the more important thing is that Harbottle is well into Coquetdale and a local centre for the sort of faming carried on there - some arable north and east of the village but mainly rough grazing for (now) sheep and (perhaps then) cattle on the slopes of the Cheviot Hills. Broomhill, however, was at the time in question a pleasantly rural place, close to the coast and quite productive agriculturally, situated as it is on the Northumberland coastal plain. Later it became a coal mining district and after that the whole landscape around there was altered by large-scale opencast workings. While one might, at a stretch, consider Broomhill as being in "Warkworth district", I cannot imagine any local person thinking of Harbottle as within "Alnwick district", whatever that may mean. What sort of District? Not the parish - perhaps the Ward of the County (a purely administrative thing and not used these days). Just possibly it might have been within Alnwick Rural District, but that was abolished in 1974. If you mean the modern "districts" into which the country is now divided for local government purposes, they are not really relevant for anything historical. Harbottle and Alnwick are well apart and I would expect Harbottle people to look towards Rothbury, further down the Coquet, as their local town, rather than Alnwick, beyond Rothbury, up over Rimside Moor to cross the A697 Wooler road, then across that and across Alnwick Moor before reaching Alnwick. Certainly Warkworth would not enter into it. Geoff Nicholson -----Original Message----- From: Jenny De Angelis via <northumbria@rootsweb.com> To: Alan & Liz Booth <alanbooth170@btinternet.com>; 'Gen ListLass' <genlistlass@hotmail.com>; northumbria <northumbria@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wed, 27 Aug 2014 15:53 Subject: Re: [NMB] ELLIOTT John 1781 HI Alan, Could this be your Ann Elliott with sons John and Edward in the 1851 census? You only mentioned the entries in 1841 and 1861. Ref. HO107 piece 2419 folio 424 page 4 Alnwick Ann Elliott head widow age 65 born Alnwick NBL JOhn ditto son unmarr. aged 24 born Ditto Edward ditto son unmarr. aged19 born ditto I know these ages are out a little bit by what you gave for Ann and John but I just wondered if this family matched what else you might know of the Elliott family perhaps with the addition of Edward to the information you sent tot the list. It might help the rest of us to help you a little further. In the 1861 census entry that I looked at for Ann and JOhn I found that he was born Harbottle which the Genuki pages for NBL tell me comes in the Area of Alnwick and thought this entry 1851 entry above might fit. You say Ann was shown born Broomhill in the 1861 census, Broomhill, according to Genuki page for NBL, shows it comes into the area of Warkworth which is not so very far from the area of Alnwick, from looking at a map of the area. I think they area bout 19 miles apart, Warkworth and Harbottle, according again to the Genuki page for NBL. Hope this helps a little Regards Jenny DeAngelis <<Thank you -- She was born in Broomhill, Northumberland and was ten years younger on the 1841, but shown as 73 in 1861 when living with her son John Elliott born 1832. Await any further suggestions with interest. Alan>> .. Please quote the minimum necessary to put your reply on context. Please introduce yourself at the top of every post. The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORTHUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you -- She was born in Broomhill, Northumberland and was ten years younger on the 1841, but shown as 73 in 1861 when living with her son John Elliott born 1832. Await any further suggestions with interest. Alan -----Original Message----- From: northumbria-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:northumbria-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Gen ListLass via Sent: 26 August 2014 15:28 To: northumbria@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NMB] ELLIOTT John 1781 If you have Ann on the census, where was SHE born? Might help to pin down a marriage. John was about 40 when he married Ann? How old was she on census? There were 5 Ann's marrying a John Elliott between 1813-1837 in Northumberland Gen in NBL England > Just joined to seek info. about John ELLIOTT born 1781, bap March 1782 > Harbottle. Married Ann ? around 1821. Can't find her maiden name nor > sound info. on John's parents. Any help much appreciated. .. Please quote the minimum necessary to put your reply on context. Please introduce yourself at the top of every post. The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORTHUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4716 / Virus Database: 4007/8102 - Release Date: 08/26/14

If you have Ann on the census, where was SHE born? Might help to pin down a marriage. John was about 40 when he married Ann? How old was she on census? There were 5 Ann's marrying a John Elliott between 1813-1837 in Northumberland Gen in NBL England > Just joined to seek info. about John ELLIOTT born 1781, bap March 1782 > Harbottle. Married Ann ? around 1821. Can't find her maiden name nor sound > info. on John's parents. Any help much appreciated.

Hello Listers, Just joined to seek info. about John ELLIOTT born 1781, bap March 1782 Harbottle. Married Ann ? around 1821. Can't find her maiden name nor sound info. on John's parents. Any help much appreciated. Thanks Alan Booth, Glos

Hi Folks, The images of the above decree <http://aalt.law.uh.edu/AALT7/C78/C78no2127/IMG_0480.htm> may be of interest to someone interested in the above families Dave King

Thanks Nirvard not sure where to go from there. I have tried 'familysearch' I have his family who all migrated to Newcastle but can't find much about him. thanks anyway. Fran On 25 August 2014 15:51, Nivard Ovington <ovington.one@gmail.com> wrote: > > The only early survivors for Cumberland are for Whitehaven, 1811 & 1821 > > From Colin Chapmans Pre 1841 Censuses & Population Listings in the British > Isles > > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > On 25/08/2014 15:45, knight frances wrote: > >> Hi Nivard >> trying to find Robert Metcalf/e, I believe he was in Cumbria, Alston way. >> Fran >> >>

The only early survivors for Cumberland are for Whitehaven, 1811 & 1821 From Colin Chapmans Pre 1841 Censuses & Population Listings in the British Isles Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 25/08/2014 15:45, knight frances wrote: > Hi Nivard > trying to find Robert Metcalf/e, I believe he was in Cumbria, Alston way. > Fran >

Hi Nivard trying to find Robert Metcalf/e, I believe he was in Cumbria, Alston way. Fran On 25 August 2014 14:24, Nivard Ovington via <northumbria@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Hi Fran > > Yes there was an 1931 census taken > > The bad news is, that it was destroyed in a fire during WW2 (completely) > > There was no 1941 census due to the war > > But there was a National registration in 1939 > > Hmmm.. just reread your post, do you mean an 1831 census ? > > If so, then yes there was but it was a statistical count rather than > every person, there are a few fragments with some names recorded but > they are not in the main indexed, do you have a specific place and I can > look to see if there is anything surviving for it > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > On 25/08/2014 14:16, knight frances via wrote: > > Hi Folks > > can anyone tell me if there was a 1931 census? I have an ancestor who > died > > before 1941. He was alive in 1826, lived in Cumbria and was a lead ore > > miner. > > Fran > .. > Please quote the minimum necessary to put your reply on context. Please > introduce yourself at the top of every post. > > The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at > http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NORTHUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Fran Yes there was an 1931 census taken The bad news is, that it was destroyed in a fire during WW2 (completely) There was no 1941 census due to the war But there was a National registration in 1939 Hmmm.. just reread your post, do you mean an 1831 census ? If so, then yes there was but it was a statistical count rather than every person, there are a few fragments with some names recorded but they are not in the main indexed, do you have a specific place and I can look to see if there is anything surviving for it Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 25/08/2014 14:16, knight frances via wrote: > Hi Folks > can anyone tell me if there was a 1931 census? I have an ancestor who died > before 1941. He was alive in 1826, lived in Cumbria and was a lead ore > miner. > Fran

Hi Folks can anyone tell me if there was a 1931 census? I have an ancestor who died before 1941. He was alive in 1826, lived in Cumbria and was a lead ore miner. Fran

Gwyneth: I don't want to annoy Brian by filling this List with NDFHS related matters, but I have to mention that the Chairman has put a message on the NDFHS List today to say that the Members' section of the Web-site is now up and running. Perhaps that means you should try again. Otherwise an e-mail to the Society at Percy House may help sort things. I myself have no official position there (apart from being S Tyneside Branch Chairman) and so cannot comment further. The only St Hilda's churches going back to the 1830s are those of South Shields and Hartlepool. Given that everything you have asked about relates to Tyneside, I take it you mean St Hilda's, South Shields. To answer the question you asked, St Hilda's parish registers and other parish records are now in Durham County Record Office, where all Co Durham C of E parish registers over 100 years old have to be. However, there are microfilm copies in South Tyneside Library, Prince Georg Square, South Shields and also in Tyne and Wear Archives, Blandford House, Blandford Square, Newcastle. The NDFHS publish several microfiche/booklet/CD indexes to various parts of them - see www.ndfhs.co.uk - and also to various non-C of E churches in South Shields. However, those researching from a distance might prefer to risk using the BTs (not always in agreement with the PRs!), which are on-line on the LDS "FamilySearch" web-site. If you contact me off-list with precise details of what you are looking for, I might be able to help you from my own extensive indexes to Northumberland and Co Durham (including lots of S Shields ones) register entries, MIs etc. Is this the same Dodds family as Edwin Dodds and the Hope Dodds? If so, I think there is also some information included on the MI list compiled by Edwin etc for St Mary's, Gateshead. Geoff Nicholson -----Original Message----- From: Gwyneth Watson User <cannycot@gmail.com> To: Geoff Nicholson <geoff.nicholson@aol.co.uk> Sent: Sun, 24 Aug 2014 22:36 Subject: Re: [NMB] St Ann's Row Hi Geoff, She was only 32yrs, died a few days after giving birth and all the family seems to have favoured All Saints or Jesmond Old Cemeteries. Oh except a baby John William Dodds died 1833 and was buried in St Hilda’s (there are 4 other babies in the same family that died, but I don’t know where they are yet), do you know where I would find St Hilda’s records please. Can you help me with another problem please? I joined the NDFHS and received a membership number however I can’t log in. I have emailed them and haven’t received a reply. Very frustrating. Thanks again, Gwyneth