Okay now that Iknow that I am on the right track and that I am posting the message right I will begin with some information. Father: Francis George Black b. 23 Feb 1928 Grandparents: Albert Joseph Black b. 11 Jan 1893 Richmond m. Ellenor Marie Riley ( no details for her) Ggrandparents: Joseph Black b. 1868 Hamilton m. Margaret Marion Mastin 1891 b. 1869 Richmond Gggrandparents: Joseph Black b. 1843 Port Down Ireland (pretty sure this is Portadown Armagh Co.) m. Christina Arnott 1865 b. 1845 Hamilton (can't find any details for her) Ggggrandparents: Robert Black & Ann Adams (don;t know anything about these two) This is all the info I have ecept for children. I am not sure if Joseph came out from Ireland with his parents or not but I'm told it is very hard to get details from Ireland so if anyone has any info or has come across my Black family or just some advise on how to find either Joseph, Robert or Ann I would love to hear from them. Thanks for the replies that I got asking for more info and am sorry that I sounded so dumb. I'm only new at this so you'll have to bear with me while I get it right!! Regards Rachael