Lyn, Hi, it's me again. Thought I'd try out my "developing" hunting skills on your Robert Copperthwaite. Your Robert is no connection to me at all, but I'm avoiding sleep now that my wee son is in bed. [grin] Just enjoying the puzzle of it all!! So, have you tried: http://indigo.ie/~rfinder/browse.htm Looks like a pay site, but may be of use since access to records is a problem for you. Have you also tried the LDS site? All the best, Amy