I have added the names on the Banbridge War Memorial of the men killed in the 1914/1918 war to my website, Raymond http://www.raymondscountydownwebsite.com

1901 Irish Census on my web site at: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~jeanmccarthy36 I have updated the Belfast 1901 census pages on my web site. Five more films have been published under Census Three E. They cover St. Georges Ward and St. Annes Ward. I will update the Street Directory and the Streets and Wards pages A.S.A.P. Kindest Regards. Jean McCarthy nee Moore. Staffordshire, England. My own main names of interest: MOORE, (Ireland, Canada & Australia) BOWDEN, (Ireland, New Zealand, Tasmania & Australia) HAWTHORNE. (Ireland and Pennsylvania) In Co Down, Co Armagh & Co Antrim Ireland: McCALLISTER, McAULEY, FLINN, STRAIN, SPRATT, McCLENAGHAN, KENNEDY.

May you have a blessed and peaceful Christmas. --sue

Mike, Unfortunately the Ireland General Registry of Deaths (FHL microfilm #0101590) only begins in 1864. If anyone knows of an earlier source, I'd like to know too. Kevin Ranaghan Indiana, USA

Greetings All; I am trying to verify a 1861 date of Death for a Sarah (ORR) Kennedy. She probably died in or near Killyleagh area of County Down. If anyone has documentation or source information for this date, I would appreciate some help. If anyone knows burial location it would also help. Thanks for any help you can give. Mike Kennedy Dayton Ohio

I found found an Irish horse trainer with that name at this url http://www.irish-racing.com/scripts/v2horseclip.cfm?pr_horseid=171760 and another lisitng here http://www.oatlands.ie/index5.html . Hope this is of some assistance. -- Sue Seibert Mineral Wells TX http://www.ralphandsue.com siouxcitysue@cox-internet.com

Sometimes if you add or delete ten to the number a few times(whether you use C or M or P) you can be successful. regards, Coral ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Kennedy" <kennedmr@siscom.net> To: <NorthernIrelandGenWeb-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2002 5:00 AM Subject: Re: [NIR-GW] Batch numbers needed > I tried that, but nothing showed up. Apparently the marriages, if extracted > into a batch, are on a different number or not extracted. > > I was hoping someone might have come across them on some other, completely > different batch. > > Mike Kennedy > Dayton Ohio > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Maureen Hauge" <mchauge@ij.net> > To: <NorthernIrelandGenWeb-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, December 09, 2002 10:26 AM > Subject: Re: [NIR-GW] Batch numbers needed > > > > Try replacing the 'C' with an 'M' for marriages. > > MaureenH > > > > Mike Kennedy wrote: > > > > > > Greetings All: > > > > > > I have Batch number ( C320759 ) for Crossgar(e) Births/Christenings but > I need Batch numbers that show marriages. > > > > > > I also need Batch numbers for Saul Births/ Christenings and Marriages. > > > > > > I would appreciate any help. > > > > > > Thank you very much. > > > > > > Mike Kennedy > > > Dayton Ohio > > > > > > ==== NorthernIrelandGenWeb Mailing List ==== > > > ~ SUBJECT LINES ~ > > > Think about it!! A picture's worth 1000 words; a Subject Line more! The > > > 4 W's: Who? What? When? and Where? Don't leave home without 'em! > > > > > > ============================== > > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > records, go to: > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > ==== NorthernIrelandGenWeb Mailing List ==== > > Have you visited the *NEW* RootsWeb/Ancestry Message Boards yet? Take a > > tour soon & learn how time-saving those "Gateway" messages are compared > > to trying to find the *new* ones on your own. > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > ==== NorthernIrelandGenWeb Mailing List ==== > ~ SUBJECT LINES ~ > Think about it!! A picture's worth 1000 words; a Subject Line more! The > 4 W's: Who? What? When? and Where? Don't leave home without 'em! > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

allow for a 25% chance of incorrect information. Not all information was done by a a church worker ? rr

I tried that, but nothing showed up. Apparently the marriages, if extracted into a batch, are on a different number or not extracted. I was hoping someone might have come across them on some other, completely different batch. Mike Kennedy Dayton Ohio ----- Original Message ----- From: "Maureen Hauge" <mchauge@ij.net> To: <NorthernIrelandGenWeb-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, December 09, 2002 10:26 AM Subject: Re: [NIR-GW] Batch numbers needed > Try replacing the 'C' with an 'M' for marriages. > MaureenH > > Mike Kennedy wrote: > > > > Greetings All: > > > > I have Batch number ( C320759 ) for Crossgar(e) Births/Christenings but I need Batch numbers that show marriages. > > > > I also need Batch numbers for Saul Births/ Christenings and Marriages. > > > > I would appreciate any help. > > > > Thank you very much. > > > > Mike Kennedy > > Dayton Ohio > > > > ==== NorthernIrelandGenWeb Mailing List ==== > > ~ SUBJECT LINES ~ > > Think about it!! A picture's worth 1000 words; a Subject Line more! The > > 4 W's: Who? What? When? and Where? Don't leave home without 'em! > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > ==== NorthernIrelandGenWeb Mailing List ==== > Have you visited the *NEW* RootsWeb/Ancestry Message Boards yet? Take a > tour soon & learn how time-saving those "Gateway" messages are compared > to trying to find the *new* ones on your own. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Each film has several different items. Each item is extracted and given a Batch number. An item dealing with births and Christenings is given a batch number starting with "C" and then other numbers. A marriage item on the film starts with "M". By putting in the Batch number on my computer, I can read the extracted information at home. When I narrow down my search needs, I can then go to a Family History Library and spend my time looking at films and other sources. Mike Kennedy Dayton Ohio ----- Original Message ----- From: <HOSTGFSLINDA@aol.com> To: <NorthernIrelandGenWeb-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, December 09, 2002 9:47 AM Subject: Re: [NIR-GW] Reason why I need the Batch numbers > > In a message dated 12/8/02 10:31:13 PM, kennedmr@siscom.net writes: > > << If I go back to the IGI search screen and put in the region, country, > county, the Batch number and just the surname, I can pull up all the > Kennedy's from that same Batch. > > OR > > If I go back to the IGI search screen and put in region, country and county > along with the Batch number, BUT NO surname, I can bring up ALL the surnames > on that Batch. >> > > :D And the last thing you need is to have to explain yourself, right? ;-) > I don't know that it's online, but the batch and serial sheet index (on > fiche) will give you the specific film that covers the whole batch but again, > when the batch begins with C I'm told these usually refer to living persons > or there is some other reason why the information is restricted. > That was true five years ago. I assume it still is. > > > ==== NorthernIrelandGenWeb Mailing List ==== > Have you visited the *NEW* RootsWeb/Ancestry Message Boards yet? Take a > tour soon & learn how time-saving those "Gateway" messages are compared > to trying to find the *new* ones on your own. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Try replacing the 'C' with an 'M' for marriages. MaureenH Mike Kennedy wrote: > > Greetings All: > > I have Batch number ( C320759 ) for Crossgar(e) Births/Christenings but I need Batch numbers that show marriages. > > I also need Batch numbers for Saul Births/ Christenings and Marriages. > > I would appreciate any help. > > Thank you very much. > > Mike Kennedy > Dayton Ohio > > ==== NorthernIrelandGenWeb Mailing List ==== > ~ SUBJECT LINES ~ > Think about it!! A picture's worth 1000 words; a Subject Line more! The > 4 W's: Who? What? When? and Where? Don't leave home without 'em! > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

In a message dated 12/8/02 10:31:13 PM, kennedmr@siscom.net writes: << If I go back to the IGI search screen and put in the region, country, county, the Batch number and just the surname, I can pull up all the Kennedy's from that same Batch. OR If I go back to the IGI search screen and put in region, country and county along with the Batch number, BUT NO surname, I can bring up ALL the surnames on that Batch. >> :D And the last thing you need is to have to explain yourself, right? ;-) I don't know that it's online, but the batch and serial sheet index (on fiche) will give you the specific film that covers the whole batch but again, when the batch begins with C I'm told these usually refer to living persons or there is some other reason why the information is restricted. That was true five years ago. I assume it still is.

<< I have Batch number ( C320759 ) for Crossgar(e) Births/Christenings but I need Batch numbers that show marriages. I also need Batch numbers for Saul Births/ Christenings and Marriages. >> The locations are all in Southeastern County Down. I guess I should explain a little more why I need the Batch numbers. When I go to familysearch.org, I can do a general search for a name, such as David Kennedy. I put the region, country and county in the search. I may get several dozen or several hundred David Kennedy's. I find a few that appear to be mine and click on that item. This takes me to a detailed screen of that particular person. Among the information sometimes shown is a Batch Number, sometimes a film number, a printout number or a source number. With the Batch number I can continue to do additional research from home. Later on I can order the film if needed. If I go back to the IGI search screen and put in the region, country, county, the Batch number and just the surname, I can pull up all the Kennedy's from that same Batch. OR If I go back to the IGI search screen and put in region, country and county along with the Batch number, BUT NO surname, I can bring up ALL the surnames on that Batch. Mike Kennedy Dayton Ohio

Greetings All: I have Batch number ( C320759 ) for Crossgar(e) Births/Christenings but I need Batch numbers that show marriages. I also need Batch numbers for Saul Births/ Christenings and Marriages. I would appreciate any help. Thank you very much. Mike Kennedy Dayton Ohio

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1901 Irish Census on my web site at: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~jeanmccarthy36 I have just put a collection of new 1901 census records on my website. These were very kindly donated by Carol of Sheffield. They cover Clifton Ward, Dock Ward, Shankill Ward and Woodvale Ward. Thank you very much indeed Carol. Your kindness and generosity is greatly appreciated by all of us. There is a wide variety of names other than my names of interest. To access Carol’s records click on 1901 Census then scroll down to Carol’s Records. Once again many thanks Carol. Kindest Regards. Jean McCarthy nee Moore. Staffordshire, England. My own main names of interest: MOORE (Ireland, Canada & Australia) BOWDEN (Ireland, New Zealand, Tasmania & Australia) HAWTHORNE (Ireland and Pennsylvania) In Co Down, Co Armagh & Co Antrim Ireland: McCALLISTER McAULEY FLINN STRAIN SPRATT McLAUGHLAN KENNEDY

Does anyone have any info on Trainer/Traynor/Treanor families living in Armagh, Ireland --prior to 1820? I am specificially looking for Denis or possibly Patrick, but would be interested in any families with this surname. Also--can anyone tell me the location of "Damully" (Damoily) Townland in County Armagh---"land owned by the Earl of Charlemont." Opal Traynor Danner NE Atlanta, GA

Opal, I have found the surname Treanor among a few documents while researching my family "Cranney" (Tithe Lists, Flax Growers, etc.). There is a site that I have visited often that has some history on the Treanor (Traynor/Trainer) surname. Here is the site if you're interested: http://www.mccabeclan.com/trainor.htm The Gaelic Ulster surname Mac Threinfhir - son of strong man, or champion -is anglicized Traynor, also spelt Treanor and Trainor, without the Mac, though the prefix is retained in the variant MacCrainor, which is phonetically more correct, since the T is aspirated in the Irish form of the name. Apart from Dublin city, Traynors are chiefly found in the districts between Monaghan, Armagh and Dungannon. ----- Original Message ----- From: Opal Danner Sent: Saturday, November 23, 2002 3:26 PM To: NorthernIrelandGenWeb-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [NIR-GW] Denis Treanor I have found references to a couple of Denis Treanors. They are listed in the Irish Flax Growers List, 1796. One is shown as living in Louth County and one as living in Monaghan County. Does anyone have more info on these Treanors?? Opal Traynor Danner Norcross, GA ==== NorthernIrelandGenWeb Mailing List ==== Uh-Oh!!! <----- Missed or deleted a post that would put a crack in your wall? Remember, day and night, the RootsWeb Archives are always there to browse or search from http://www.rootsweb.com . ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

1901 Irish Census on my web site at: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~jeanmccarthy36 I have completely overhauled and updated the Belfast Streets & Wards pages on my web site. The Streets and wards pages are just that. If you know the name of the street you are looking for. This is an alphabetical list of the streets that were in Belfast in 1901. You can look up what ward a particular street was in from this list. This makes it easier to locate the film number you need to order if you want to search the 1901 census. Please note the street directory on my site gives the name of the street, the name of the ward, the PRONI film number and the LDS film number Kindest Regards. Jean McCarthy nee Moore. Staffordshire, England. My own main names of interest: MOORE (Ireland, Canada & Australia) BOWDEN (Ireland, New Zealand, Tasmania & Australia) HAWTHORNE (Ireland and Pennsylvania) In Co Down, Co Armagh & Co Antrim Ireland: McCALLISTER McAULEY FLINN STRAIN SPRATT McLAUGHLAN KENNEDY

I have found references to a couple of Denis Treanors. They are listed in the Irish Flax Growers List, 1796. One is shown as living in Louth County and one as living in Monaghan County. Does anyone have more info on these Treanors?? Opal Traynor Danner Norcross, GA