Doreen Guerriero wrote: > > I am researching the family of Samuel HAGAN b.Oct.1,1794 in Parish > Kilroot,Co. Antrim,NI. He married Margaret MACDONALD about 1819. Their > children who lived were > James b.Feb.12,1820 Belfast, Margaret b.1822, Elizabeth b.1830, Jane > b.1832, Robert b. 1833, Samuel b.1840 all in Carrickfergus. > Griffith's Valuation states their location as > Carrickfergus/T/C/Fergus/Davys Street. Is Fergus the townland? > The family were Church of Eng. when they emigrated to Canada in 1844. > Does anyone know of a church they may have belonged to in Carrickfergus? Any > information on this family would be greatly appreciated. Thank you. > Doreen Guerriero Sault Ste Marie, Ont. > [email protected] Here's part of something I posted yesterday on the Scotch-Irish list. The Jonathan Swift referred to is of course the famous Dean of St Patricks Cathedral, and author of Gulliver's Travels etc etc. "Here's an extract from Victoria Glendinning's "Jonathan Swift" "Duly ordained, Swift was appointed vicar of the seaside parish of Kilroot in the north of Ireland, near Belfast and the coastal town of Carrickfergus. It was a dismal appointment. The little church at Kilroot was in ruins, though its dependent churches at Templecorran and Ballynure were usable. It was a strongly Presbyterian area. Swift's congregations were minuscule. If he had been frustrated at Moor Park - where at least there was gracious living, and a well-stocked library he could use, and intelligent conversation - he was even more frustrated in rural Kilroot. The elderly Richard Dobbs, who lived at Castle Dobbs half a mile away, was Swift's most interesting contact there, a strong Protestant and `a stern and upright man who suffered a good deal from the gout' - as did Sir William Temple. Swift spent much time at Castle Dobbs, and read in its library. In 1689, five years previously, during the Troubles, this corner of Co. Antrim had been the scene of epic drama. William's general, the German mercenary the Duke of Schomberg, had marched on Carrickfergus, and Dobbs, then the mayor, had been briefly put in jail by the (Catholic) governor. When Schomberg prevailed, Dobbs had been the one joyfully to hand over to him the town's regalia. Later in the year William III himself landed at Carrickfergus, and Dobbs had presented him with a loyal address. These were stirring tales to be retailed to the new vicar of Kilroot, Jonathan Swift. Schomberg had been killed at the Battle of the Boyne in 1690, when the Williamite army definitively overcame James II's forces. Swift had been in Ireland then, on his first brief absence from Sir William's household: he wrote two ponderous odes celebrating King William's victories. Years later, as Dean of St Patrick's, Swift had a memorial stone to Schomberg erected in his cathedral, after vain attempts to persuade the Schomberg family to fund a monument themselves. The inscription reads, reproachfully (in Latin): `The renown of his valour had greater power among strangers than had the ties of blood among his kith and kin.' In the peace, there seemed only stagnation. Richard Dobbs described Swift's parish, with the exception of his own family `and some half dozen that lie under me', as being `all presbyterian and Scotch, not one natural Irish in the parish, or a papist'. Swift's animosity towards Scottish Presbyterians was reinforced by Dobbs and by the lonely futility of his own ministry in Kilroot; all his life, Swift disapproved vehemently of dissenters and non-conformists, protesting bitterly against all and any moves towards tolerance and inclusion. Dissent always seemed to him a far greater threat to the Anglican Church than did Catholicism. Catholics in Ireland, he later wrote, were `altogether as inconsiderable as women and children. Their lands are almost entirely taken from them, and they are rendered incapable of purchasing any more.' The result was that Catholicism `will daily crumble away': 'Tis agreed among naturalists that a lion is a larger, a stronger, a more dangerous enemy than a cat; yet if a man were to have his choice, either a lion at his foot, bound fast with three or four chains, his teeth drawn out, and his claws pared to the quick, or an angry cat in full liberty at his throat; he would take no long time to determine. The cat represents dissenters and non-conformists. Swift's convictions in this area verge on bigotry. In the light of the subsequent history of Ireland, the views of the sensible second wife of Swift's friend Lord Orrery have a prophetic quality (though neither she nor Swift could have conceived of the twentieth-century marginalization of the Anglican Church in Ireland). She wrote to her husband in 1751: `Swift's bitterness against the Presbyterians I am confident did a great deal of harm in keeping up the spirit of division amongst us, so unworthy in X-tians, and sowing dislike in the breast of one honest man to another honest man. Lady Orrery herself had used to abhor Presbyterians and Catholics equally, `yet I have so far got the better of these wrong prejudices as to see the merit of persons in both these sects, and to pray to God Almighty that he will be pleased mercifully to break down the middle wall of partition between us'. Swift, bored and disappointed in Kilroot, did what most young men in such a situation would do, and what he said he always did when something goes amiss in my affairs'. He got involved with a woman." If you want to know more about the woman, you'll have to read the book! Charlie

Doreen Guerriero wrote: > > I am searching for my NESBITT ancestors reportedly from Co. Down. William > NESBITT m. Mary HENDERSON sometime before 1795 when their daughter Elizabeth > was born in Ireland. Other children were John b. 1798, George B.1799, > Margaret b. 1804, James, William, amd Mary. > William Sr. emigrated to Canada along with four of his children about > 1822-23, after his wife Mary died. > William's parents were from Scotland, came to NI as "agriculturalists". > Was this just a term for people brought to NI to strenghthen the English hedge? > I would greatly appreciate hearing from anyone with knowledge of the > Nesbitts in Co, Down. > Doreen Guerriero Sault Ste Marie, Ont. > [email protected] There's been quite a lot about Nesbitt (and various similar spellings) on the Scotch-Irish list - you might like to check the archives. I've got several pages on the family of Nesbitt from a 1930 book "Three Hundred Years in Inishowen", by Amy Young, which has Nesbitts all over the place, without mentioning Co Down. "Of the Irish Nesbitts there are three main lines, subdivided again into various branches, each one now extinct in the male lie. The three main lines are as follows:- 1. Nesbitt or Nisbet of Tullydonnell, from which come Nesbitt of Derricairne, Co Leitrim, and Nisbet of Greenhills,Co Donegal 2. Nesbitt of Brenter, from which come Nesbitt of Kilmacreddon, and Nisbett of Lismore, co Cavan 3. Nesbitt of Woodhill, from which come Nesbitt of Tubberdaly, King's co., and Nesbitt of Drumalee. The famiy of Young of Culdaff is connected with Nesbitt of Woodhill and Nisbet of Greenhills. Do you connect with any of this? More details, perhaps? The Nisbet family came originally, as I understand it, from Nesbyt (now spelt Nisbet) near Dunse, in Berwickshire, Scotland. Charlie

McCumiskey. Can anyone help with any leads on the McCumiskey family name of County Down? Any suggestions would be welcome. I'm particularly interest in a guy called James McCumiskey who was my g-g-grandfather. Family lore says he originated in Kilkeel. His d.o.b. would be round about 1840. He ran away from home and hid himself aboard a boat. It happened to be a Manx fishing boat, and he was adopted by the captain, who brought him up as his own son in Peel, Isle of Man. To your bright and shining eyes! Jud

I am researching the family of Samuel HAGAN b.Oct.1,1794 in Parish Kilroot,Co. Antrim,NI. He married Margaret MACDONALD about 1819. Their children who lived were James b.Feb.12,1820 Belfast, Margaret b.1822, Elizabeth b.1830, Jane b.1832, Robert b. 1833, Samuel b.1840 all in Carrickfergus. Griffith's Valuation states their location as Carrickfergus/T/C/Fergus/Davys Street. Is Fergus the townland? The family were Church of Eng. when they emigrated to Canada in 1844. Does anyone know of a church they may have belonged to in Carrickfergus? Any information on this family would be greatly appreciated. Thank you. Doreen Guerriero Sault Ste Marie, Ont. [email protected]

I am searching for my NESBITT ancestors reportedly from Co. Down. William NESBITT m. Mary HENDERSON sometime before 1795 when their daughter Elizabeth was born in Ireland. Other children were John b. 1798, George B.1799, Margaret b. 1804, James, William, amd Mary. William Sr. emigrated to Canada along with four of his children about 1822-23, after his wife Mary died. William's parents were from Scotland, came to NI as "agriculturalists". Was this just a term for people brought to NI to strenghthen the English hedge? I would greatly appreciate hearing from anyone with knowledge of the Nesbitts in Co, Down. Doreen Guerriero Sault Ste Marie, Ont. [email protected]

Hi Anyone searching this HUGHES family?? Thomas is a son of an unamed Hughes who was the Parish Clerk of Rich Hill County Armagh, Ireland. Thomas Hughes (it has been said that he was a soldier of fortune) born 1783 ??? married Pheobe ? died 19 June 1858 Launceston Tasmania. children known to be born William & James b. 1816 Ireland James (b 1816) m. Ann Stephenson in 1842 Launceston,Tasmania Children of James Hughes & Ann Stephenson Pheobe (b. 4 June 1842, Tasmania) Emily Stevenson (b. 21 10 1844 " ) Margaret (b. 3 Jun 1846 " ) Thomas William (b. 25 April 1848 " ) Sarah Ann (b. 9 1 1851 " ) James Frederick (b. 21 12 1853 " ) Mary Ann Newbury (b. 20 1 1857 " ) Any help or information greatly appreciated Jenny (West Aust)

My husband is searching for his family in Belfast - all very vague, I'm afraid. His father was KENNETH KIRKPATRICK born c1910 in North Belfast, he worked as a driller in the shipyard. Kenneth's father was WARING KIRKPATRICK and he had two brothers, NORMAN and WARING also a sister MINNIE (not sure if that was her real name). KENNETH married JANET ATKINSON from the Hollywood area of Belfast in c1930. Janet had two sisters LETTIE and SADIE. parents unknown. I would be interested to hear if anyone has come across these names or knew the people concerned. By the way my husband's great grandmother ..........KIRKPATRICK who lived at Bangor opened SPAMOUNT Congregationalist Church in Spamount Road Belfast when she was 100 years old c1947/48. Rev. Davies presided. I would be interested if anyone has any information regarding this event. Regards Pauline

My husband was born in 1944 at Ilchester Street, Duncairn Gardens, North Belfast. He has not been over to Belfast for the last 40 years and would be interested to hear from anyone who has any information on Ilchester Street and of the people that used to live there. Is the street still there? The name is KIRKPATRICK Regards Pauline

Hello all, I'm new to the group here and never researched in Ireland before. Would anyone know if the registers are available on film for the parish church of St. Ann's in Belfast for the date of March 1819? William FOLLOWS of the 43rd Regiment of the Light Infantry married Elizabeth Haylock, spinster with the two witnesses being William Folkes and M. Hollings. and was preformed by Rofs Tebb Gn. Chaplin I have been unable to find these two on any census as William was stationed all over and cannot find his enlistment papers, so have no idea where the 2 of them were born. I am hoping that the register might shed more light than the marriage certificate does. Thanks for any help, it will be most appreciated. Donna Victoria, B.C. Canada

Hello All I wonder if there is anyone out there with links to any McCARTNEYS of Saintfield County Down. My gggrandmother was Jane McCartney born 1821 at Saintfield to parents John and Jane McCartney. She emigrated to Australia on the 'Wilson' which left from Greenock and arrived Sydney January 1842 and married my gggrandfather Richard Jones in June 1842 and died at Gympie Queensland aged 50 in 1871. Anyone with any connections I would be pleased to hear from you. Noelene Jones Townsville Queensland Australia

Hi, Not so far, but anything is possible. I have an article that shows 50 different spellings - if you would like me to email you a copy I'd be happy to. Helen [email protected] wrote: > Have you run across the spelling of DEZELL? I have a DEZELL in Lanark Co > Ontario Canada.

> Hello all, > > About a week or so ago I posted a question as to whether or not anyone had come across the DALZIEL whilst doing research in Ireland. I received several very welcome replies, and have now decided to post the details to see if anyone sees something familiar. Up until this point, my research on this family has been concentrated in and around Dundee, Scotland where the name appears in several forms – DALZIEL/DALZELL/DYELL/DAYELL/DE’ELL and last but not least it’s present day form in our branch of D’ALL. > > Unfortunately, I do not know where in Ireland the following events took place, but have decided to start here because it seems a logical area , geographically speaking. Ca 1823, Mary COLEMAN was born to Rebecca GIBSON & Robert COLEMAN. She married Robert DALZIEL, and their first child George was born in Ireland ca 1839. A daughter Sarah arrived ca 1841, also in Ireland. The third child Alexander who was my gg-grandfather was born in 1853, but it is not clear whether he was born in Ireland or Scotland. > > George was married in Dundee in 1857 to Elizabeth VEY and later to Susan ROBERTSON. He died in Dundee on 16 October 1910. Susan married Edward COLBERT/CORBETT in Dundee on 27 September 1861 and died 31 October 1920. The death records for both George & Sarah show place of birth as Ireland. Mary died 30 December 1887 at 223 Hilltown, Dundee. Alexander also married and died in Dundee. > > We have been unable to find any b m or d record in Scotland for Robert Dalziel, other than he was already deceased at the time of George’s marriage in 1857. It would be possible I suppose that Mary and the children left for Scotland after his death in Ireland? > > If anyone has any idea of how to go about looking for these proverbial needles in the haystack, I would really appreciate it. > > Thank you, > Helen > In Montréal >

Hello List I am a new subscriber. I have Irish Ancestors who came from Portadown, Lurgan, Co. Armagh. A recent visit to Dublin National Archives was rather unsuccessful. I am trying to find the marriage of my g gmother Mary TAGUE to Robert MCCLATCHEY. On the Griffiths Valuation I found ten MCCLATCHEYS from the Parish of KILMORE. Unfortunately, Dublin Nat. Arch. did not hold the parish records there for KILMORE. Mary TAGUE was born c 1864 - she died 11 July 1927 aged 63 - (I have a photo. of the headstone with inscription) but I have no idea when she was married except that it was in Ireland. My Aunt remembers visiting Portadown as a child and a little 'hamlet' called BALLINTAGGART. I have a photo. of my father riding a bike in 1939 in Ballintaggart. I also note from the telephone directory for Northern Ireland that there are quite a few MCCLATCHEYS residing in Portadown. Is anyone on the list from there and do they think they might be related? (Perhaps a bit of wishful thinking!) My g.mother, Elizabeth Frances MCCLATCHEY was born 22 Jan 1897 in SARAH ST, PORTADOWN. She came over to Liverpool as a young child. (Date u/k) She married Edward HULL in St. Benedicts Church, Everton in August 1920. Can anyone help me out? I would also like to know if Sarah Street still exists together with KILMORE and BALLINTAGGART? Many thanks, Karen at DOGSWEETS

Have you run across the spelling of DEZELL? I have a DEZELL in Lanark Co Ontario Canada.

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Hello, I am new to this list and this is my first post. I am looking for information about the family of my 7th greatgrandfather, Stephen FLEMING or FLEMAN. He was born about 1695 in Tyrone, Ireland. His father might have been Malcolm and his brothers: Thomas, Samuel, John, Andrew, William and Jacob. Stephen FLEMING married in Ireland and had a son Joseph born about 1715. The family left Ireland and emigrated to New Jersey. By 1723 he was living in Shrewsbury township, Monmouth County, New Jersey. He had another child, Jane or Jeane FLEMING, in 1725. She married Daniel HAVENS. Stephen died in Manasquan, Monmouth, New Jersey in 1755. If anyone has any information about this family please contact me. I will be happy to share my information. Thanks very much. Joe Collins Glendale, California, USA [email protected]

Surnames beginning with "Mc" are frequently written formally, for example on gravestones, with the "c" raised slightly above the line and a short line placed beneath the "c." What is the correct term that describes this practice and is there an additional term for the added line? I have been told that in earlier years, this practice was used to indicate that a letter had been omitted; in the case of "Mc" perhaps it is the "a" of "Mac" that has been omitted. The latter seems reasonable, because I have noted in older writing the title "Doctor" abbreviated "Dr" with the raising of "r' and the insertion of the short line; similarly for "Street" abbreviated "St" with the "t" raised and the insertion of the line. I am aware that in many very old records "Mac" and "Mc" surnames are shortened to simply "M'" and that this practice is sometimes referred to as elision. However, elision is not the term I am seeking. I believe there is another term that specifically describes the combined practice of raising the remaining letters and inserting the short line. Ron McRoberts [email protected] Ron McRoberts [email protected]

I need a historian here, I think. Is there a particular reason a man would change his name from McLaughlin to Laughlin when immigrating to USA in 1776? Several of his children changed it "back" to McLaughlin, and I'm wondering if this was typical upon immigration, or if it happened earlier and he was actually born "Laughlin". (OR perhaps it was just recorded incorrectly). It would help greatly in trying to trace his roots in Sterlingshire, Scotland to know what I'm looking for! I would also like to know if immigrants had to "prove" who they were and what paperwork, if any, had to accompany them on their voyage. Thanks for your help. Janet

The Scottish Family Research Group are looking for new members. Membership is FREE to join. Members are welcome to post messages on the members message board and also to post photo as well. This service is all FREE. We are also looking at having a Bi - Monthly Newsletter for our members. Anyone who is doing Scottish Family Research are very welcome to join. http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/scottishfamilyresearch Peter J. Fraser-Tibbett Cooroy, Queensland, Australia

> Dear Kathy I have an old rosary made of tiny 1/8 inch beads not the same color as yours --mine are kind of a transluscent bone color and the cross is also about 1 inch or less. This set I have is over 100 years old. My grandmother says they were small like that to travel with.Hope that helps! My name is also Kathy Ü > Subject: Old Rosary Beads > Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 08:49:21 -0400 > From: Kathy McClung <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > > Hello, I have been given a pair of very old rosary beads. My > grandfather brought them with him when he left Ireland at around 16 > years of age (he was born in 1887). He was born in County Fermanagh in > Newtownbutler. The rosaries are very small. They are broken but when > they are laid out in a straight line they measure 12 ins. including the > crucifix. The crucifix itself measures only 1 inch. They are dark blue > teal in color. The actual beads are very tiny. > > If anyone has any type of historical information on this type of rosary > beads or has a pair like them in their family, please email me. Thank > you very much. > > Kathy > > ______________________________ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >