Can anyone please tell me if Sarah Street, Lurgan Portadown still exists? Thanks Karen

Can somebody who is familiar with the parish of Termonamongan tell me if the townland of Crilly's Hill (O.S. Survey #23) is contiguous with the townland of Crilly in Templecarn parish, Co. Donegal? I have the microfiche of townland maps for Donegal, Fermanagh and Tyrone on order at a Family History Center, but my curiosity has gotten the better of me, and I'm having trouble being patient. Thanks in advance for your help. Margaret Jenkins in Connecticut, researching Kerrigan in Donegal, Tyrone and/or Fermanagh, where the three counties meet -- E-mail: [email protected] OR [email protected] -- E-mail: [email protected] OR [email protected]

Hi, I have a copy of a page taken from the Carrickfergus Old Graveyard Inscriptions book. It states that one of my ancestors, James Weatherup, had a tailoring shop on West Street and became superintendent of Sheil's Institute in 1870. He had a son, John, who was a bookkeeper employed by Taylor's Mills. Can someone tell me what Sheil's Institute and/or Taylor's Mills was? Many thanks, Hazel

>I am going to Ireland in the Fall to do research. I was wondering if anyone >had a suggestion on who to rent a car from there. >Mary Lou It is usually significantly cheaper if arranged in your own country before you leave. Have a great time! Gwen O'Callaghan ********************************************************* Gwen O'Callaghan/The Irish Link PO Box 242, Yarram 3971, Victoria, Australia Email [email protected] Homepage http://www.netspace.net.au/~gwenoc *********************************************************

Just to add to what Ella said, it also states their age at the time if the marriage and their occupation and any witnesses to the marriage which in some cases includes the parents. launie Ella Patterson wrote: > > Irish marriage records do not give a lot of info. They > generally give the names of the bride and groom and their > father's names. They give the name of the place where they > were living at the time of the marriage, the date of the > marriage and where it took place. it also says if the bride > and groom were spinster and batchelor or previously married > at the time of the marriage and that is it. it takes about > 3-4 months now for one to come from Dublin > Hope this is of some use > Ella > On Tue, 01 Jun 1999 22:01:10 +0000 "Joan M. Hill" > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > I came across these indexes in the LDS catalog. Protestant marriages > > were recorded by civil authorities in Ireland starting in 1845. I am > > hoping to get a lead on siblings of my immigrant who came to NYC about > > 1841, and perhaps his town of origin (I already know the county) It > > seems to me the index is just as good a way as the Griffith Valuation > > for helping to focus surname research. Has anyone else tried this? > > I have just ordered the first actual marriage record. Does anyone > > know what kind of information these marriage records had? > > Joan > > > > ---------------------- > Ella Patterson > Cataloguing Department > Main Library > The Queen's University of Belfast > Belfast > Northern reland > BT7 1LS > > Telephone: (01232) 273639 > > FAX: (01232) 323340 > > E-MAIL: [email protected]

Hello All, Is there a surname list for County Tyrone similar to the one for County Down? I am looking for a William Hays who lived there prior to 1800. Richard Hayes [email protected]

This naming convention is by no means fool proof. I have seen many different versions of it. I have one as follows: The first son was named after the fathers' father The second son was named after the mother's father The third son was named after the father The fourth son was named after the father's eldest brother The first daughter was named after the mother's mother The second daughter was named after the father's mother The third daughter was named after the mother The fourth daughter was named after the mother's eldest sister. None of this applied in my family. All of the ancestors I have found in my father's line were called William and all the females are Isabella. I think because there was a Queen Isabella in Spain or somewhere who had caught everyone's imagination. I was the first daughter in my father and mother's family although I was the sixth child. My mother was 43 year old at the time, so she named me after herself, as it was the only chance she was going to get. Sarah Lowry Z. Day wrote: > I am wondering if the same or similar conventions as have been discussed re > order of births apply to the use of surnames as middle names?

The County Down Surname List http://www.amitar.com.au/~deel/downlist.htm Has been updated on the 1st June 1999. Regards Denis Dalziel Perth. Western Australia mailto:[email protected] List Owner County Down Surname List http://www.amitar.com.au/~deel/downlist.htm List Owner County Westmeath Surname List http://www.amitar.com.au/~deel/westlist.htm

Glad you had a somewhat fulfilling visit to the Record Office, Dave. It looks like you've discovered the "Lewis" connection. And don't forget, those Chesterton's in Canada have a PERCY LEWIS CHESTERTON, b. 1898 in Leicester, son of a JOHN CHESTERTON, b. 1870. Which reminds me... watch out for "date" information. Sometimes the "christening" date is recorded and not the "birthdate." But back to Robert and Esther. You do know that Esther's maiden name was Hardwick? and that I have the 1838 marriage certificate? Well the certificate shows the witnesses to be John Hardwick and Sarah Chesterton. I believe the witness John Hardwick may have been the bride's brother, and I'm almost positive Sarah was the groom's sister. Then @1843, Robert and Esther had a son and named him JOHN HARDWICK CHESTERTON after Esther's brother. Might help, Dave, if you could locate JOHN HARDWICK CHESTERTON's birth certificate @1843, in Leicester. If he is indeed Robt & Esther's son, then he is also the older brother of ROBERT CHESTERTON, born in 1847 to the same Robt & Esther, at #14 Churchgate St., East Leicester. For your further information, the certificate also shows Esther's father to be THOMAS HARDWICK and Robert's father to be RICHARD CHESTERTON. NOW HERE'S THE BOTTOM LINE: If we can prove that MY Robert Edw. Chesterton (now presumed to be brother of John Hardwick Chesterton) is REALLY & TRULY the son of Robt. & Esther....I think we can say we're related! I just need to be sure that MY Great-Grandfather Robt. Edw. (husband of Julia Garratt of Nottingham), is the very same Robert who was born to Esther & Robt at 14 Churchgate St in 1847. I have two documents: an 1877 Nottingham marriage certificate for my great-grandparents, Julia & Robt. Edw. Chesterton, listing Robt. Edw's father as "Robert Chesterton, Jeweler". BUT it doesn't name the mother of the groom (too bad) nor does it give the a birthdate for the groom (too bad again, because if it said "1847" that would have clinched it). As you can see, I still need confirmation that my Robt. Edw. is the same Robt. born to Robert & Esther in 1847 at Leicester. Well....keep it coming Dave. I haven't had time to think about the other info in same message, but I'll be in touch. P.S. Who in your family originally discovered that "Hardwick" was John Chesterton's middle name? Dave Chesterton wrote: > > Part 1.1 Type: Plain Text (text/plain) > Encoding: quoted-printable

I came across these indexes in the LDS catalog. Protestant marriages were recorded by civil authorities in Ireland starting in 1845. I am hoping to get a lead on siblings of my immigrant who came to NYC about 1841, and perhaps his town of origin (I already know the county) It seems to me the index is just as good a way as the Griffith Valuation for helping to focus surname research. Has anyone else tried this? I have just ordered the first actual marriage record. Does anyone know what kind of information these marriage records had? Joan

I am going to Ireland in the Fall to do research. I was wondering if anyone had a suggestion on who to rent a car from there. Mary Lou

Has anyone heard of the Irish Emigration Committee - the article refers to an edition of the Irish People 7th May 1864 in which an ad appeared offering to assist 50 young married couples & 50 single young women to Melbourne Australia, marrieds to contribute twelve pounds & singles five pounds - goes on to list other conditions, single women to be no older than 30, medical cert, freedom from any bodily deformity, cert of moral fitness from a clergyman etc ? Tina Cairns North Queensland Australia Researching Gordon family history Scotland/Ireland/Aus

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> Good questions. They seem so "legal" I have to wonder if the church > established them or tradition of some sort so strong that to break the > pattern was akin to heresy. Anyone know? Sandy Many family ructions have been caused by "naming-for" decisions so I would think that people would welcome a strong tradition which would avoid some trouble. Bob

I don't seem to be getting any messages re Northern Ireland Pauline

I am wondering if the same or similar conventions as have been discussed re order of births apply to the use of surnames as middle names?

Good questions. They seem so "legal" I have to wonder if the church established them or tradition of some sort so strong that to break the pattern was akin to heresy. Anyone know? Sandy

Thanks to all who took the time to email me. I have James, Alexander, and Robert STEWARTS to sort. This might help, having ancestors named Mordicai Hynkyw would help more !! Thought I would repost the info to the list for other confused souls. Cheers Elaine :-) "Naming Patterns 1700 - 1875 (Scotland) 1st Son named after the Fathers Father 2nd Son named after the Mothers Father 3rd Son named after the Father 4th Son named after the Fathers eldest Brother 1st Daughter named after the Mothers Mother 2nd Daughter named after Fathers Mother 3rd Daughter named after the Mother 4th Daughter named after the Mothers eldest Sister" > Another thing that my friend on another list found is that "if a child has > a certain first name e.g.: Robert - and he should die, then the parents > will in most cases name a later born male child Robert as well."

"Naming Patterns 1700 - 1875 (Scotland) 1st Son named after the Fathers Father 2nd Son named after the Mothers Father 3rd Son named after the Father 4th Son named after the Fathers eldest Brother 1st Daughter named after the Mothers Mother 2nd Daughter named after Fathers Mother 3rd Daughter named after the Mother 4th Daughter named after the Mothers eldest Sister" Another thing that my friend on another list found is that "if a child has a certain first name e.g.: Robert - and he should die, then the parents will in most cases name a later born male child Robert as well." This information was given to me by David Burnett of Winnipeg. http://members.tripod.com/-burnett dc/coull Hope this helps. Launie Reid Elaine Wright wrote: > > Hi All, > Can anyone tell me the traditional order of naming sons in N.I or Scotland. > I had the info once, and , surprise, I can't find it in all my reams and > reams and reams of paper. > Thanks for any input. > Cheers, > Elaine in "29 degrees" hot and steaming Ontario! :-)

Hi All, Can anyone tell me the traditional order of naming sons in N.I or Scotland. I had the info once, and , surprise, I can't find it in all my reams and reams and reams of paper. Thanks for any input. Cheers, Elaine in "29 degrees" hot and steaming Ontario! :-)