Just thought I would pass these along to you all... Other Northern Ireland Mail Lists: [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] To subscribe to any of these lists, send your email to the listname as follows: [email protected] and include the word subscribe in the message box. For digest, send it to [email protected] . I am not sure how active these county lists are but thought you might like to know about them. You can see a listing of all of RootsWeb's mail lists for Ireland by visiting their main homepage at http://www.rootsweb.com/~maillist/ then selecting Ireland. Cheers! Carol Hepburn Listowner NIR-DERRY-L Listowner

======================================================= DATABASE OF THE DAY (Free for 10 Days!) <<<>>><<<>>><<<>>><<<>>><<<>>><<<>>><<<>>><<<>>><<<>>> ======================================================= Ireland Gazetteer and Surname Guide Beginning in the nineteenth century, large numbers of Irish natives left the Emerald Isle seeking new lives around the world. For genealogists unfamiliar with the towns and parishes of Ireland, research into the lives of these ancestors can be a tedious search through endless maps and atlases. This database contains a gazetteer of the island nation and a surname guide intended to help researchers in their study. The gazetteer contains over 1800 locales and provides the county in which it is located. The surname guide includes information on the most common Irish surnames. For researchers of Irish ancestry, this database can be a great aid in locating important information. Bibliography: Platt, Lyman. "Gazetteer of Ireland." Orem, UT: Ancestry, Inc., 1999. Platt, Lyman. "Irish Surname Guide." Orem, UT: Ancestry, Inc., 1999. To search this database, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/ancestry/search/3856.htm <<<>>><<<>>><<<>>><<<>>><<<>>><<<>>><<<>>><<<>>><<<>>> from: http://www.rootsweb.com/~fianna/

Hi All Just to let you the Surname lists below have been updated. Regards Denis Dalziel Perth. Western Australia mailto:[email protected] List Owner County Down Surname List http://www.amitar.com.au/~deel/downlist.htm List Owner County Westmeath Surname List http://www.amitar.com.au/~deel/westlist.htm ICQ12937475

Joan--here's the IreAtlas townland database. -- Polly http://www.thecore.com/cgi-bin/ire-srch

Yikes! What a response! Thanks to everyone who replied to my query. There were too many of you to thank individually. Joan

Hi Joan, I had access to a book at my local FHC that gave maps and townland names to all the counties in Northern Ireland. The name has escaped me -- but I will be visiting my FHC again tomorrow and will get the name and author for you. Carol Hepburn Listowner

Yes! Sorry, me again. Here's a good link! http://proni.nics.gov.uk/geogindx/parishes/par223.htm You may want to take of that last little linkage to get all the listings for County Armagh. Just a thought. launie

Joan wrote: > > Is there any listing of townlands (by county or parish) so that I > could check my guesses against the real possibilities? ----------------------- Well, there's the IreAtlas Townland Data Base at: http://www.thecore.com/cgi-bin/ire-srch It's not complete yet - still plenty of holes in the database - but I think you'll find it at least somewhat helpful. Dennis mailto:[email protected] Sterling Heights MI

Here it is... http://www.ireland.com/ancestor/placename/index.cfm allows you to search placenames, townlands, parishes, civil etc. Good luck Scott B. Barnett Coordinator of Instructional Technology & Multimedia Quinnipiac College School of Law http://law.quinnipiac.edu

here is a link to a site that lists by alpha the counties, provinces, and parishes. http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/irl/counties.html I know of another that allows for searching, but I don't have the URL handy...I will send from home tomorrow. Scott B. Barnett Coordinator of Instructional Technology & Multimedia Quinnipiac College School of Law http://law.quinnipiac.edu > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Thursday, July 08, 1999 10:20 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: NorthernIrelandGenWeb-D Digest V99 #157 > > << Message: Untitled Attachment >> << Message: Ulster marriage > patterns/traditions >> << Message: Townlands >>

I have been searching Irish Protestant marriage records on microfilm, and often have a tough time trying to decipher the handwriting for townlands and sometimes parish. Is there any listing of townlands(by county or parish) so that I could check my guesses against the real possibilities? Joan

I have recently posted a very interesting academic study on Ulster marriage patterns and traditions that used Lisbellaw and surrounding townlands as the study area. It is an excellent survey of Fermanagh families from the area. It has excellent information that can be applied across Ulster. I found it in some obscure book some time ago. I have tried to find the professor who authored the article but she has retired. The book was published in India. There is also an article specific to the Black family of Belfast, originally of Cowall, Scotland at my web site. http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Musee/7023/

I would like to contact anyone that is researching the following names. These folks settled in Megantic Co. Quebec and are in the 1861 Canada census. All these families lived on Craig's Road in Inverness, PQ. William Ross John Ross George White Robert Eager Andrew Wark Matthew McIntyre Francis McIntyre James McIntyre Patrick McCauley William Edwards Louis Dashney Please contact me at my e-mail address.

Hi folks, here's some quick responses, Janet.... >I have an ancestor from Scotland who married a Mary DICKSON born in Ireland; >they were married in Templemore, Londonderry, in 1866. I am wondering if >this area is a 'resort' area where couples went to get married or if it is >possible/probable that Mary would have been born here. Any thoughts about >how I could pursue finding her place of birth? Templemore parish is downtown London/Derry. Perhaps they got married in the Cathedral! There's also other chapels. It's extremely important to know what the religion most likely is. Derry's a great place but a resort?? There was always lots of traffic between it and Scotland. People would plant their potatoes and head over to work in Scotland for the season, then return. Lots of commerce as well. It was also industrialized -- largely the linen trade. The first thing I'd check is Civil Registration to see if the marriage is registered. Or it is and that's how come you know when and where they got married?! Okay, then I'd give her spin through IGI, recalling the Irish coverage is very bad. This is on line and free. Then I'd look for church records. To do this you had best know the denomination. Don't? No problem, then contact the Derry genealogy centers and pay them to ru n her through their indexes. Otherwise you will have to obtain the ones you can get and go through them yourself. LDS has some of them. Ryan "Irish Records" identifies what is available and their location at the time he published the book (so only use the revised edition published in 1997, I beleive). You are going to have to have a clue about her parents' names since there is likely to many many Mary Dicksons. Check their children's names. If you know where they were living in Scotland, use the Scottish records (censuses and OPR's) to either locate them or prove they were not in Scotland. Robert > Helen MURRAY > Place of Birth: Belfast > Born: 1885 - 1890? > Died: Dec 1965 in America (Maryland) > Married: William Rogerson STEPHENSON > >I am trying to located birth >information on Helen and also marriage information. The British are more civilized than Americans (I can say this, I am American). They began civil registration MUCH earlier than us Americans. In Engerland they began registering marriages, births, deaths July 1, 1837. Scotland 1855 and Ireland 1866 for all, earlier for Protestants (I may be off a year or two on these but you get the idea). If you go to your local LDS Family History center, you can order the indexes, if they are not there waiting for you. Many centers have the indexes permanently. Then you order a film with the actual record. Some years were not filmed --- you must order it. Best place to learn more about how to use LDS to do this research is the British Isles Family History Society in America: GREAT on line guide.http://www.rootsweb.com/~bifhsusa/ Also never, ever forget to check www.genuki.org.uk -- a lot. Andrew, >I am wondering if there exists a site which would contain the names of >emigrants from Northern Ireland heading to America - possibly New York >c. 1770s. Perhaps these would exist in the form of ship's passenger >registers. I am looking for any emigrants of the surname AUSTIN >(possibly out of Armagh). Alas, no. No requirement existed to identify people moving to the Americas, any more than people are listed when they moved from Ohio to Indiana. Same reason: Same country. SO we do have lists of non British aliens who entered the colonies. All the pseudo lists we have found are published. You can occasionally find them on the Internet. This will represent an small percentage of what really exists. To locate them ALL, use Filby. It is at a local library. A long row of brownish book. He indexes all the PUBLISHED immigrants. Every year he publishes an update. You start with the first and look for the ancestor in every volume. If you find him, you note the source, then seek that source. That leaves unpublished ship lists, but in your period, these do not exist. In the majority of cases for your period, you will never find a ship list. Don't waste a lot of time doing this. Instead, you probably should be figuring out where he came from. That could talk a lot of time and at the end...you'll know something more useful. A place to go visit. The book on Ulster emigration to the US is Dickson "Ulster Emigration to Colonial America". You will also find the free courses at www.familytreemaker.com (on line university) on immigration very useful. You can go to Belfast and search records there: newspapers announcing the ship's safe arrival and listing emigrants (indexed at the Linen Hall Library), the computer-based emigrants database at the Ulster American Folk Museum. Etc, etc. AUSTIN is not wildly common in Ulster. It is not among the top 500 names so it is not in Bell "Surnames of Ulster". There are, according to Brian Mitchell in "Surnames of Derry" 10 familes of this name in Derry in 1989. There were Austins all over Ireland -- Dublin, Westmeath, Cork.... Mitchell says the surname has been in Ireland since the 14th century. Best of luck, Linda Merle

Hello again Andrew and fellow listers, Don't know if I'm simply sending "old news" to the list, but here is another source for Ships' Lists: http://www.rootsweb.com/~ote/indexshp.htm Hope there is somebody out there for whom this can be of use. Regards, Amy

Andrew, Perhaps you might find something on your AUSTIN kin on the following sites which are of Ships Lists. http://istg.rootsweb.com/ http://www.standard.net.au/~jwilliams/ships.htm Hope this is of some use. Regards and happy hunting, Amy

I am wondering if there exists a site which would contain the names of emigrants from Northern Ireland heading to America - possibly New York c. 1770s. Perhaps these would exist in the form of ship's passenger registers. I am looking for any emigrants of the surname AUSTIN (possibly out of Armagh). Thank you, Andrew Austin

Hi, I am new to the Northern IRELAND list and would like to ask for some help. I am researching the STEPHENSON family from Monkwearmouth, Sunderland, England. Searching for information on the following person: Helen MURRAY Place of Birth: Belfast Born: 1885 - 1890? Died: Dec 1965 in America (Maryland) Married: William Rogerson STEPHENSON What I Know: William Rogerson came to Ireland during W.W.I and worked as a ship builder. Met Helen and married in Ireland. Helen went to England at 30 years old. I think around 1918 or 19. I am trying to located birth information on Helen and also marriage information. Any information on Helen Murray or advice would be appreciated. cheers, robert rothenbuhler new braunfels, texas [email protected] Researching........... ROTHENBUHLER, MOSIMANN - Switzerland STEPHENSON - England MURRAY - Ireland OBERMYER, FRENTRUP - Germany JAY - Ohio, England Germany JAY - Ohio, England

I'm taking a vacation to New England this month, one of the primary reasons is to do some research on foot and with cousins who share my Scot-Irish blood. So am going to figure out how to unsubscribe for now, and will return after I get back to Virginia in early August. Just didn't want to disappear! Researching: McAULAY/MACAULAY; PRIESTLEY; BURGESS; BURT; HATCH; ROBBINS; SHILLADY & LINTON in Ireland & Scotland. Cindy Freed-Morgan

I have an ancestor from Scotland who married a Mary DICKSON born in Ireland; they were married in Templemore, Londonderry, in 1866. I am wondering if this area is a 'resort' area where couples went to get married or if it is possible/probable that Mary would have been born here. Any thoughts about how I could pursue finding her place of birth? Thanks, Janet in USA [email protected]