Hello listers, Your help would be greatly appreciated, if you could give me information on William Henry Walker Edgar and his wife Elizabeth M. Edgar. They lived in Belfast, Northern Ireland. William died in 1939 aged 64 and Elizabeth died in 1954 aged 73. History has it that they were second or third cousins. I would like to know when and where they were married. Their first child was born 1902-1903. That probably would help with the marriage date. Information on this line would help me decide if this is the direction I should go. Thanking you in anticipation. Joan. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp

Searching for any information on my great-grandmother. Martha Jane Flinn born circa 1842. Father Thomas Flinn who was a Steward. She married John McCallister 20 March 1867 Aghaderg C of I in Loughbrickland. Died 3rd July 1887. A search of the original church records going back to 1832 revealed only one death of a Mary Flinn aged 77 who died in 1841. I had hoped to find Martha Jane’s baptism. No other Flinns at all were found in the church registers. Any help in finding where she came from would be greatly appreciated. T.I.A. Jean McCarthy nee Moore Searching in County Down for BOWDEN, MOORE, HAWTHORNE, McCALLISTER, McAULEY, FLINN, KENNEDY, McLAUGHLAN, SPRATT.

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Hi Looking for connections to the following family, especially son, John. Regards Judy HALL Henry married Ann and had the following children (in Donaghmore, Tyrone): Sarah 1785 Mary 1793 *John 1796

To give myself a better chance of finding Wilson Cornwalls Irish roots I have widened my research onto a second level to include all Cornwalls in Australia that came from Ulster. These (in summary) are the facts gathered so far ... John Cornwall, cousin of Wilson -30/06/1837 Convicted of stolen property in possession at Antrim; No former convictions, sentenced to 14 years transportation -01/01/1838 Arr Sydney, NSW on the Neptune(4); Aged 28 (b.02/01/1809-01/01/1810); Married, 2 Male children, R[ead] & W[rite]; Religion Protestant; Native Place Co Armagh; Occupation Groom; Convict Indent No 184; Convict standing No 38-181 -13/01/1844 Ticket of Leave No 44/287; "Allowed to remain in the District of Melbourne." -In Melbourne his Master is shown as Watson & Hunter -1847 Muster - Self employed at Pentridge Mary Jane Cornwall, wife of John Cornwall -18/10/1837 Convicted of Receiving stolen goods at Antrim; No former convictions, sentenced to 7 yrs transportation -28/03/1838 Arr Sydney, NSW on the "Diamond"; Aged 26 (b.29/03/1811-28/03/1812); Married, no children, R[ead]; Religion Roman Catholic; Native Place Belfast; Occupation Needle-woman; Husband John Cornwall per Neptune 1838; Convict Indent No 105; Convict standing No 104-38 No children listed as coming on the "Diamond" with her -16/03/1843 Ticket of Leave signed, No 43/918. Allowed to remain in the district of Wollombi [in the Hunter Valley, NSW] -14/07/1845 Certificate of Freedom No 45/918. Marginal notation "Wollombi; 31 July". All other details as per Ships Muster. Thomas Cornwall, The brother of Wilson -1835 born? -"Came to Melbourne with his brother, Wilson" according to family tradition -10/02/1859 - 05/09/1861 Constable, Victoria Police -1862 Paid rates of £17 to Moorabbin Roads Board District, on a weather board house in Fern Rd, Moorabbin, Vic. close to Wilson -post 1862 emigrated to New Zealand (or America?) ____________________________________________________________________________ _ This is a speculative family tree I have put together as a "Search Profile" Does anyone know an Ulster Cornwall family that this looks like? 1-- Grandfather CORNWALL (pre 1786-) sp: Grandmother UNKNOWN (pre 1786-) | |__2-- FatherA CORNWALL (pre 1802-) | sp: MotherA UNKNOWN (pre 1802-) | | | |__3-Wilson CORNWALL (1816-1818-16/12/1900) | | sp: Sarah Ann MACATIER (1824-25/07/1905) | | | | | |__4-Sarah Ann CORNWALL (1851-) | | 4-Wilson Henry CORNWALL (1853-) | | 4-John Charles CORNWALL (1855-) | | 4-Maria Jane CORNWALL (1857-) | | 4-Susan Elizabeth CORNWALL (1859-) | | 4-Eliza CORNWALL (1861-) | | 4-William CORNWALL (24/03/1861-23/04/1946) | | 4-James CORNWALL (1864-) | | | |__3-Thomas CORNWALL (1835-post 1862) | |__2-- FatherB CORNWALL (-) sp: MotherB UNKNOWN (-) | |__3-John CORNWALL (1809-post 1847) sp: Mary Jane UNKNOWN (1811/12-post 1845) | |__4-Male CORNWALL (post 1827-) 4-Male CORNWALL (post 1828-) ____________________________________________________________________________ _ ??? Specific questions ??? - Can anyone add any more individuals? These are only the ones I have found, there could be more. - Can anyone add any info? eg arrival or departure details for Thomas, subsequent history of John or Mary Jane. - Has anyone heard of any other Cornwalls transported to Australia from Ireland, perhaps to another state? - Does anyone know anything about Thomas in NZ post 1862? Or Wilsons son James in America after ~1880? Hope this makes a connection for someone. Regards Alan Anderton, Bargo NSW Australia

Wilson Cornwall, After his marriage NOTE - Family records give no suggestion that he was a convict, he was thought to have arr. in Melbourne in 1849-50 with his brother Thomas. 07/02/1850 married Sarah Ann Macatier (various spellings) in Melbourne Vic. - Strong links with William John Loudon, Sarahs' brother in law - Made no secret that he was "proud to be an Orangeman" no reply from Orange Lodge on enquiries re him. 1851-52 Bth of dau Sarah Ann in Melbourne, Vic - Owner of 5 blocks of land incl. Hay & Corn store, Bouverie St, Carlton catering to Diggers going to and from the Ballarat Goldfields 10/10/1853 Bth of son Wilson Henry, St James, Melbourne CofE, Melbourne, Vic (Surname mispelled Cornwell) 1855 - Crown Grant of land in Mordialloc (nr Brighton), Vic 1855-56 Bth of son John Charles at Brighton, Vic 1857-58 Bth of dau Maria Jane 02/08/1860 Bth of dau Susan Elizabeth 24/03/1861 Bth of son William at Melbourne, Vic 1862 - Paying rates on house & land on Centre Rd Moorabin, close to a Thomas Cornwall - "Selection" of bush property in Toomuc Valley, Vic 1863-64 Bth of son James 1865-66 Bth of dau Eliza? died pre 1867 02/11/1867 Bth of son Edward (Edmund Thomas) at Brighton, Vic; at this time Wilson described as "Farmer, [aged] 42, [birthplace] Belfast, Ireland" - Purchased property at Goon Nure (nr Bairnsdale), Gippsland district of Vic, for his son William to work - Retired to Federation style house at Kew 16/12/1900 died at Kew, Vic. aged 85 (therefore b.17/12/1814-16/12/1815). Buried with wife at St Kilda cemetary on the 19th COMMENTS Birthdate >From the Trial documents of 21/03/1839 he was aged 21 (therefore b.22/03/1817-21/03/1818) >From the Convict Indent of 25/01/1840 he was aged 23 (therefore b.26/01/1816-25/01/1817) >From bth cert. of Edward on 02/11/1867 he was aged 42 (therefore b.03/11/1824-02/11/1825) >From registration of death on 16/12/1900 he was aged 85 (therefore b.17/12/1814-16/12/1815) The age from Edwards Bth certificate can be discarded since the source has proven to be unreliable in other regards (shows their marriage in 1843 when we have the registry entry for it in 1850). I would say that we must assume he was born between 1814 - 18 although I would lean towards the ages given in earlier sources: 1816 - 18 Continued on next posting Alan Anderton, Bargo NSW Australia

Friends My primary focus is Wilson Cornwall of Victoria, but he is proving very hard to find prior to his transportation so I have widened the focus to include his known relatives in Australia in the hope that a lead from one of them will provide the crack we need to break down that brick wall! Firstly this is what we know about Wilson prior to his marriage ... Wilson Cornwall, the Convict records Police and trial documents 14/03/1839 Alexander Mitchell of Bally[magingan], [Artria] parish Barony of Loughanshollin robbed by three men near Castledawson who escaped towards Londonderry through the Town Bridge turnpike 16/03/1839 Wilson Cornwall & Moses Hutchinson apprehended for the crime in Belfast 21/03/1839 Tried for Highway Robbery, Aged 21 (therefore b.22/03/1817-21/03/1818) No previous offences, sentenced to 15 years Transportation Transportation records 06/07/1839 Departed Dublin Town on board the MIDDLESEX 25/01/1840 Arrived Port Jackson, Sydney, NSW; Aged 23 (therefore b.26/01/1816-25/01/1817); Single, no children, R[ead and W[rite]; Religion Protestant; Native Place Co Armagh; Occupation Labourer; Cousin John Cornwall, transported 3y ago; Convict Indent No 160; Convict standing No 40-172 "Folio 10" [Indent No] Described as 5'8 1/2"; Fair ruddy & freckled complexion; Light sandy hair; Grey eyes; Large semicircular scar on the top of head; breast & arms hairy and freckled; two scars inside third finger of left hand Ticket of Leave 13/11/1845 Ticket of Leave recommended by Goulburn Bench 07/03/1846 Ticket of Leave 46/428 granted "Allowed to remain in the service of Thos. Woore Esqr at his station on the Murray River for 12 Mths" 20/07/1846 Ticket of Leave Passport 46/696 granted 21/03/1847 Ticket of Leave 46/696 "Cancelled for being absent from his district" 22/10/1847 Ticket of Leave 47/785 granted "Allowed to remain in the district of Melbourne Continued on next posting ... Alan Anderton, Bargo NSW Australia

Greetings All: Today I was at the Main Library in Cincinnati for a couple of hours. The online catalog listed several magazines of interest. Unfortunately the catalog did not tell which vol numbers the library owned nor which issues were in which volumes. The magazines were not in the public area to be browsed. I had to order one to be brought up from storage, browse thru it to see if any articles were of interest, then order up the next. What I would like to know is: Does anyone have the following magazines? Do they have index volumes? Would SKS check and see if the magazines have articles on Killyleagh, County Down or Kennedy family's of County Down and/or Killyleagh? The magazines are: 1.. Irish Family Links, Past and Present (or Family Links, Past and Present). 2.. Irish Ancestors 3.. Irish Family name Society Newsletter 4.. Irish Genealogical Helper 5.. Irish Genealogical Research Spociety Newsletter 6.. Irish Genealogist 7.. Irish Heritage 8.. Irish Heritage Links 9.. Irish Historical Studies 10.. Irish Life 11.. Irish Roots. Mike Kennedy Dayton Ohio

List, This is what I have: Edward Rice leaving County Tyrone with a Certificate of Good Character signed by his rector, the Rev. George Cope of Parish of Killyman, Barrony of Dungannon dated June 12, 1736. Later, in the colonies in the first tax record found for Edward in Bucks County, PA., lists him as a "weaver". We believe that prior to Edward being in Co. Tyrone, he and his father Edward left from somewhere in Wales around 1724 to come to Ulster. Questions: * Was it commonplace for all leaving Ulster to have in their possession a Certificate as mentioned above? * Was weaving a profession of many persons in Ulster, or just Co. Tyrone. How big of an industry was weaving? * Would Edward, if being in the weaving industry in Ulster in the 1730's, be self-employed in his own home, or would he be employed by someone? * In Co. Tyrone in the 1730's, would one be a landowner, or would he be a renter from a landbaron? Thanks, Bob Rice

For many years I have been searching for my G/grandfather,James Timlin He was born abt 1826 One certificate I have gives his birthplace as Co.Mayo,and another as Dublin,but I have been unable to find him in either. But recently a grandson of his, is quite certain he was told that grandfather was born in Belfast,and went down to Sth Cork as he had been offered a job there. He married Frances Mary Kelly(nee Clark/e) in Skibbereen on 14 August 1857 There were five children born in Skibbereen before they all sailed for New Zealand Ever hopeful, Marie, New Zealand

Just restating my interests. Aloha Joe With interests in the following names: TATTERSALL, TOMLINSON, VEEVERS, HOLDEN, BOOTHMAN and ODDIE. All in the Lancashire area. Do not open Any attachments with this as I DID NOT send them. Aloha Joe Joseph F. Tattersall, with interests in: DELONG, HECKMAN, b., PA., HOON, b. PA., LECHTY, LINT, PETERSON, b 1887, IA., SCHEIBLER, SCHNEIDER, SELL, SHULTZ, SOWASH, STAUFFER, SUDER, TATTERSALL, THOMAS, TRUXEL, VIEL, WEIBLE, WEBER, b. PA? Do not open ANY attachments with this as I DID NOT send them.

Looking for Greer,.....Carryduff /Saintfield,in N.Ireland, GrandMother ---Teresa Greer nee Boyd, GrandFather ---William John Greer,...........any information appreciated. Thanking you Joan Ward `````````

This email is a notification that there are new Global Gazette family history articles posted. It contains a short description of each article, with a hotlink to the full story. Each article has a specific link listed for it. If you want to access the all articles from a single web page, check out http://www.globalgazette.net The link for AOL users is <a href="http://www.globalgazette.net">http://www.globalgazette.net</a> *************************************************** SUMMARY OF ARTICLES IN THIS ISSUE: IRISH LAND RECORDS - Part 2 By: Kyle Betit Kyle discusses Landed Estate Records; Types of Records and Information; General Strategy for Accessing Estate Papers; Sources for Identifying the Landowner; Sources for Locating Estate Papers; Encumbered Estates Records; References and Further Reading. Plus news and events in the world of Irish genealogy. To read the full story go to http://www.globalgazette.net/gazkb/gazkb70.htm UPDATE - WORKSHOP SCHEDULE September to November 2001 By: Rick Roberts Read about new workshops that have been added to the fall schedule for the training room at Global Genealogy & History Shoppe in Milton Ontario. We recommend that you book early because workshops are filling up fast. To check out the schedule go to: http://www.globalgazette.net/gazed/gazed70.htm PROVINCIAL ARCHIVES' WEB SITES (Canada) Author: Ryan Taylor A discussion about the qualities and attributes of the Canadian provincial archives web sites To read the full story go to: http://www.globalgazette.net/gazrt/gazrt70.htm BOOK REVIEW - Early Carroll Families of the Bartibog River (New Brunswick) Contributed by: Sandra Devlin In his 73-page, self-published edition entitled Early Carroll Families of the Bartibog River (New Brunswick), released in mid-June, he extensively documents his findings and is crystal clear when he hypothesizes. To find out more go to: http://www.globalgazette.net/gazsd/gazsd70a.htm NFLD-ROOTS MAILING LIST (Newfoundland) Contributed by: Sue O'Neill If you're researching your Newfoundland and Labrador roots, a great place to gather and exchange genealogical data is the NFLD-ROOTS mailing list. To find out more go to: http://www.globalgazette.net/gazrr/gazrr70.htm POST-1901 CENSUS NEWS (Canada) Contributed by: Gordon Watts Late breaking news re: Bill S-12;Plaque commemorating British Home Children unveiled; Looking for Brian Tobin!!; Access to Information Requests; Genealogy interest and research not restricted to elderly; Responses to petitions; Support from south of the border; Letters and petitions still needed; Canada Census Campaign mail list.To read the full stories, go to: http://www.globalgazette.net/gazce/gazce70.htm BOOK REVIEW - Important Stief (Steeves) book is ready Contributed by: Sandra Devlin Move over Esther Clark Wright, Les Bowser�s much-anticipated book is finally in print. I can say without reservation that The Search for Heinrich Stief, A Genealogist on the Loose has been worth the wait. To find out more go to: http://www.globalgazette.net/gazsd/gazsd70.htm UPCOMING EVENTS By: Rick Roberts This is a listing of genealogy, history, reunions and heritage events around the world that readers may be interested in. All have been submitted by their organizers for inclusion in The Global Gazette. If you have a conference, workshop (non-profit) or reunion which you would like to see listed here, send me an email at the email address provided in the article, and we would be happy to include it. To check out Upcoming Events go to: http://www.globalgazette.net/events/events.htm *********************** The front page of The Global Gazette is at http://www.globalgazette.net A web page listing all past articles listed by topic is at http://www.globalgazette.net/backtop.htm *********************************************** HOW TO SUBSCRIBE (free) Send and email to request@globalgazette.net and type the word SUBSCRIBE in the SUBJECT LINE of the email and then click on SEND. The mailing list robot will confirm your subscription the next time it updates the list. HOW to UNSUBSCRIBE (also free :) Send and email to request@globalgazette.net and type the word UNSUBSCRIBE in the SUBJECT LINE of the email and then click on SEND. The mailing list robot will confirm your removal from the list the next time it updates the list. Rick Roberts The Global Gazette http://globalgazette.net Global Genealogy Shoppe http://globalgenealogy.com Global Heritage Press http://globalheritagepress.com 13 Charles Street, Milton, Ontario, Canada

My great-grandmother, Jane CARDOO and her twin sister Elizabeth were born somewhere in Northern Ireland in 1849/50. Their father was James CARDOO, mother Jane CARDOO, formerly BOWMAN. I should appreciate any information list members may have which might help me to trace their county of origin. Regards, Janet, in New Zealand

Hi folks,I'm trying to trace my ancestors who lived in Hawick,Scotland in the late 1800's and immigrated to Ireland between 1901-1903. gg,grandfather James Johnstone gg,grandmother the former Isabella Douglas dau-Jessie dau-Elizabeth dau-Christina son-Robert son-my g,father Thomas Four of the five children then immigrated to Canada some time later-Robert,Thomas,Christina and I'm not sure if it was Jessie or Elizabeth. But one daughter stayed living in Ireland with the parents.Robert joined the army in WW1 and his war records show the family living in Crumlin Ireland Antrim County in 1916. My gg,grandfather James would have been 64 years old by then and Isabella would have been 55. What I'm looking for is death certificates or if they lived there lives out in Crumlin were they might be buried.Any help or idea's would be deeply appreciated. George Johnstone Ontario,Canada

Does anyone have information about the James Grubbin, married to Margaret McCallum (variable), and their children Cathrine, Margret and James who came to live in Bathgate Scotland before 1881. The name later changed to Gribben. Also David White, born approximately 1842, who also came to live in Bathgate by 1891. Both men were coal miners. They are my g-grandfathers on my mothers side and I am now stuck. Sorry not to offer more; hope someone is looking for Whites or Grubbin. Fingers crossed. Helen

Dear Helen, I have info on a Catharine Gribbon/in from County Down Ireland b 1828 who emigrated to Philadelphia PA and m Francis Dugan ca 1855. Marilyn Partee

Greetings All: I was wondering if anyone has information on the Church of the Latter Day Saints (Mormon Church) or Brigham Young University DNA database project to trace families by using DNA, in Northern Ireland or Scotland. Have they been advertising the project or taking samples in those areas? If so, how is the response? Good, bad, small or large? Here in Dayton Ohio, their research team has collected several hundred, and maybe as many as 1300 samples and are still requesting more. Each donor must have researched a 4 generation family tree to match with the DNA sample. The sample is code numbered with no name of donor. When the database is completed, donors can request results by getting a request kit. In the kit is material to take a saliva or blood sample and send it to the database requesting results. This salive is used to verify the information is only sent to the original donor. It would be great to be able to link back to NIR or Scotland using the database they are building. Please let me know if they are collecting in County Down or SW Scotland. Mike Kennedy Dayton Ohio

Dear Jeremy, I have researched my mother's maiden suname of McQuatters on and off for about 5 years now. Her surname was spelled McWatters in Norhtern Ireland and was changed when our ancestors came to America in 1853-54. My McWatters came from the Newry, Co. Down area. The man's name was James McWatters and his wife's name was Jane Jardine McWatters. They settled in Indiana for 20 years before coming to northern Iowa for the rest of their lives. They raised 7 kids; the first one being born in Northern Ireland and coming over to America with his father. His name was William. He is my GGGrandfather. If you would like more info on the McWatters surname, let me know my e-mail is jntatkns@omnitelcom.com Thanks, Terri in Iowa

I am trying to contact anyone who has information relating to VANCE families(likely Scots)in N. Ireland or in PA/VA during the period c. 1680-1786. I have a Rachel Vance b.c. 1766(prob. in VA) who married a James Hamilton in Augusta Co. VA in 1786. However, aside from locating a Vance family in Bedford Co. VA c. 1757, I have not been able to establish Rachel's parents' names. I've not found a connection between the Bedford Co. Vances and this Rachel in Augusta Co.but there may well be one. My information is that there were Vance families in Derry during the plantation period in Ulster, and that some were prominent merchants in Londonderry and vicinity. However, as I don't have much more than Rachel's name, I am pretty much stuck. Any leads/clues would be appreciated. Regards, Larry D. Hamilton Coats