--23991626.983921208927.JavaMail.nobody@www-a28 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=646 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Jean, Jim et al., Anne Robinson is the "Weakest Link". Bosworth Field was not the last battle= of the 'Wars of the Roses'. Thanks Roy -----Original Message----- >From : Jim SHARPE <sharpe@britishlibrary.net> To : NORTHERN-ENGLAND-L@rootsweb.com Date : 06 March 2001 18:35:26 Subject : Re: [NTH-ENG] Fw: [CHS] Wars of the Roses Jean I found that truly fascinating. I dropped History at 13 because I >couldn't remember dates which was an essential talent in those days. > >Jim Sharpe Manchester U K >----- Original Message ----- >From: Jean White <jphwhite@ns.sympatico.ca> >To: <NORTHERN-ENGLAND-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: 06/mm/01 11:50 AM >Subject: [NTH-ENG] Fw: [CHS] Wars of the Roses > > >> Another view of the War of the Roses. >> >> Jean in NS >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: =93Roy Stockdill=93 <roystock@compuserve.com> >> To: <CHESHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2001 7:32 AM >> Subject: [CHS] Wars of the Roses >> >> >> Rodney Hall wrote..... >> >> >>For those interested, I have just posted a brief account of the Wars >of >> the >> Roses on the Genealogy Docs page of the URL below.<< >> >> EXCELLENT site, Rodney! However, I hope you will forgive me if I make >a few >> additional comments of my own about the Wars of the Roses, having made >a >> bit of a study of them over the years. I know this is not a Yorkshire >or >> Lancashire list, but Cheshire is pretty close to both and I am sure >many >> people will be as interested in the Wars as I am. And of course, >Margaret >> of Anjou, Henry VI's Queen, was associated with Chester. There are a >few >> myths taught to every schoolchild about the Wars of the Roses that >need >> exploding..... >> >> 1) They were never territorial confrontations between Lancashire and >> Yorkshire, rather clashes between two warring branches of the same >royal >> house of Plantagenet, i.e. the Houses of York and Lancaster. Many >> Yorkshiremen, in fact, fought for the House of Lancaster, principally >> because they had little choice as their feudal overlords with vast >estates >> in Yorkshire were on the Lancastrian side. Prominent among these were >the >> Cliffords of Skipton Castle. >> >> 2) Though the wars dragged on for 30 years, it was never a period of >> continuous - in the sense of daily - turbulence. There were long >periods >> when peace reigned and much of the nation was totally unaffected by >the >> sporadic outbursts of violence and changes of monarch. >> >> 3) The principal myth is that the Wars of the Roses were so called >because >> the combatants wore white or red roses on the battlefield to >distinguish >> one side from another. There is absolutely no historical evidence >> whatsoever for this. It was almost certainly a creation of >Shakespeare's in >> Henry VI Part 1, in the famous scene in Temple Gardens when Richard >> Plantagenet of York and the Lancastrian Duke of Somerset argue hotly. >> Richard plucks a white rose and calls upon those who support him to do >> likewise, whereupon Somerset takes a red rose as his emblem. >Shakespeare's >> historical sources for the wars, Edward Hall (c. 1498-1547) and Ralph >> Holinshed (c. 1528- c.1580), made no mention of roses being used as >emblems >> and, in fact, the first known literary reference to the actual phrase >=93Wars >> of the Roses=93 occurs as late as 1829 in Sir Walter Scott's novel, >=93Anne of >> Geierstein=93, though there had been references to such phrases as =93th= e >> warring roses factions=93 in earlier centuries. The Temple Gardens scene >> never happened. It was a dramatic device of The Bard, who embellished >the >> wars largely to please his monarch Elizabeth I, whose grandfather >Henry VII >> was the victor of Bosworth Field. >> >> It is also often claimed that Henry VII created the Tudor Rose from >the >> roses of Lancaster and York to symbolise the reuniting of the two >royal >> houses, following his marriage to the Yorkist heir Elizabeth. The true >> facts are told in the historian Alison Weir's book, =93Lancaster & York: >The >> Wars of the Roses.=93 Weir describes the roses myth as =93a colourful >legend=93 >> with no truth in it. There is some evidence that the white rose was >one of >> the badges of the House of York and the red rose one of the symbols of >> Lancaster, but minor ones. The Yorkist King Edward IV's personal badge >was >> the falcon and fetterlock, not the white rose. Weir says York civic >records >> show that in 1486 Henry, while touring the north, gave orders for a >pageant >> to be held at York, incorporating a =93royal, rich red rose, unto which >rose >> shall appear another rich, white rose, unto whom all flowers shall >give >> sovereignty, and there shall come from the cloud a crown covering the >> roses.=93 Thus evolved the Tudor badge of the Rose and Crown, >representing >> the union of Lancaster and York - a blatant piece of propaganda by >Henry >> VII. Yes, there were red and white rose badges, but they were never >worn on >> the battlefields by Yorkists or Lancastrians. Shakespeare and Henry >VII >> between them created a tale that is believed by every schoolchild. >> >> With apologies to those who have no interest in the Wars of the Roses! >> >> Roy Stockdill, Editor, The Journal of One-Name Studies >> The Stockdill Family History Society >> Web page:- http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/roystock >> Web page of the Guild of One-Name Studies:- >http://www.one-name.org >> =93Never ask a man if he comes from Yorkshire. If he does he will tell >you. >> If he does not, why humiliate him?=93 - Canon Sydney Smith (scholar and >> humorist 1771-1845) >> CHESHIRE interests - PLEVIN and WILLIAMS at >Nantwich/Acton-by-Nantwich, pre >> 1814 >> >> >> =3D=3D=3D=3D CHESHIRE Mailing List =3D=3D=3D=3D >> Cheshire Library Services: >> http://www.u-net.com/cheshire/library/home.htm >> >> >> >> --- >> Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >> Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >> Version: 6.0.230 / Virus Database: 111 - Release Date: 1/25/01 >> >> >> =3D=3D=3D=3D NORTHERN-ENGLAND Mailing List =3D=3D=3D=3D >> This list also allows Trivia postings about the region as well as >serious genealogy research postings. >> >> > > >--- >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.231 / Virus Database: 112 - Release Date: 12/02/01 > > >=3D=3D=3D=3D NORTHERN-ENGLAND Mailing List =3D=3D=3D=3D >This list also allows Trivia postings about the region as well as serious = genealogy research postings. > > ----- 20 email addresses from 15,000 domain names - free at http://www.another.co= m --23991626.983921208927.JavaMail.nobody@www-a28--