Hi Dave Thanks for the bits and bobs - nice when the genealogy bits are stressing me out. Still looking for any ETTENFIELD relatives in Manchester area. My mother's name was Bertha ETTENFIELD, her father Joseph ETTENFIELD, mother Annie Elizabeth LEWIS. Haven't had ANY success with Annie Elizabeth LEWIS, except hundreds of emails from USA! I doubt my grandmother went further than the local village never mind the USA. Regards Pauline