Yet another good posting. Jean in NS ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roy Stockdill" <roystock@compuserve.com> To: <CHESHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2001 7:57 AM Subject: [CHS] Checking Burial Registers Gay wrote..... >>One parish register I have looked at even recorded the names of the maternal grandparents in their baptism register.<< IT sounds to me as if you were lucky enough there to find a vicar who had adopted the Dade style of writing parish registers. There were a few in Cheshire. To explain further..... We who research principally in Yorkshire are fortunate to have had for a period of about 40 years in the late 18th/early19th century what were called Dade Registers. These were named after the Rev. William Dade (1740-1790) a Yorkshire clergyman who was curate, vicar and rector of five York parishes and two in the East Riding. Yorkshire genealogists owe him a huge debt because he introduced a system of register-keeping which gave much more detail. In recording baptisms he recorded in the registers as well as the full names of both parents, the names of the two grandfathers, their occupations and places of residence, and also the actual date of birth as well as that of baptism. Discovering the grandfathers' names and places of residence, of course, very often takes you back not only another generation, but to another parish. In 1770 Dade wrote in the parish register of St. Helen's, York: "This scheme if properly put in execution will afford much clearer intelligence to the researches of posterity than the imperfect method hitherto generally pursued." He was indeed a man of vision and was thinking of future genealogists like us. Dade's influence spread, especially in Yorkshire, and his name came to be attached generically to any registers which included greater than the normal amount of information expected. Here is a superb example of a Dade-style entry, posted recently to the YORKSGEN list and found in the registers of Selby Abbey. "James RYDING, 5th son of Joseph RYDING of Selby, Sailer and son of John RYDING of Preston, Lancashire, grocer, by Dorothy his wife, daughter of Thomas WAREING of (Otton) ?? near Preston, farmer and Ann, daughter of Richard FISHER of Aldborough, hauler, by Elizabeth his wife and daughter of William CARTER of Aldborough, saddler born 26 April 1792 & bapt 12 June 1792." See how the entry gives not just the child and both parents (a great many clerics didn't even bother to put the mother's name down), but the full names of BOTH sets of grandparents AND two gt-grandfathers as well ! Here in just one parish entry you have a family tree of four generations. Also, you have the occupations of all the males and the fact that this was the 5th son, indicating at least four earlier children who can be sought. This is far, far more information than you get on a modern birth certificate today! Dade Registers are principally found in Yorkshire, but his influence spread to some parishes in Lancashire, Nottinghamshire and Cheshire as well. They are found between 1770 and 1812. In the latter year, a new system of printed forms was introduced which, ironically, gave less information than had been given under Dade-style registers. Please don't ask me which Cheshire parishes had Dade-style entries because I am not aware of any central list. I can only tell you that you will certainly know them when you see them. Roy Stockdill, Editor, The Journal of One-Name Studies The Stockdill Family History Society Web page:- http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/roystock Web page of the Guild of One-Name Studies:- http://www.one-name.org "Never ask a man if he comes from Yorkshire. If he does he will tell you. If he does not, why humiliate him?" - Canon Sydney Smith (scholar and humorist 1771-1845) CHESHIRE interests - PLEVIN and WILLIAMS at Nantwich/Acton-by-Nantwich, pre 1814 ==== CHESHIRE Mailing List ==== Instructions, Netiquette, Welcome Message and FAQ for the Cheshire-L Mailing List: http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Plains/8555/chslist.html --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.230 / Virus Database: 111 - Release Date: 1/25/01