Thanks Jean, they are priceless...lol Maggie

> Kids' Survey: > HOW DO YOU DECIDE WHO TO MARRY? > You got to find somebody who likes the same stuff. Like, if you like > sports, she should like it that you like sports, and she should keep > the chips and dip coming. > Alan, age 10 > > No person really decides before they grow up who they're going to marry. > God > decides it all way before, and you get to find out later who you're > stuck > with. > Kirsten, age 10 > > WHAT IS THE RIGHT AGE TO GET MARRIED? > Twenty-three is the best age because you know the person FOREVER by > then. > Camille, age 10 > > HOW CAN A STRANGER TELL IF TWO PEOPLE ARE MARRIED? > You might have to guess, based on whether they seem to be yelling at the > > same kids. > Derrick, age 8 > > WHAT DO YOU THINK YOUR MOM AND DAD HAVE IN COMMON? > Both don't want any more kids. > Lori, age 8 > > WHAT DO MOST PEOPLE DO ON A DATE? > Dates are for having fun, and people should use them to get to know > each other. Even boys have something to say if you listen long > enough. > Lynnette, age 8 > > On the first date, they just tell each other lies, and that usually > gets them interested enough to go for a second date. > Martin, age 10 > > WHAT WOULD YOU DO ON A FIRST DATE THAT WAS TURNING SOUR? > I'd run home and play dead. The next day I would call all the newspapers > and > make sure they wrote about me in all the dead columns. > Craig, age 9 > > WHEN IS IT OKAY TO KISS SOMEONE? > When they're rich. > Pam, age 7 > > The law says you have to be eighteen, so I wouldn't want to mess with > that. > Curt, age 6 > > The rule goes like this: If you kiss someone, then you should marry > them and have kids with them. It's the right thing to do. > Howard, age 8 > > IS IT BETTER TO BE SINGLE OR MARRIED? > It's better for girls to be single but not for boys. Boys need someone > to > clean up after them > Anita, age 9 > > > HOW WOULD THE WORLD BE DIFFERENT IF PEOPLE DIDN'T GET MARRIED? > There sure would be a lot of kids to explain, wouldn't there? > Kelvin, age 9 > > > HOW WOULD YOU MAKE A MARRIAGE WORK? > Tell your wife that she looks pretty even if she looks like a truck. > Ricky, age 10 > > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.230 / Virus Database: 111 - Release Date: 1/25/01

Christian Computing Jesus and Satan are sitting around in the world between, having an argument over who is the better programmer. They discuss this for several hours until they agree to hold a contest, with God as the judge. Sitting at their computers, they begin typing furiously, lines of code filling up the screens, for almost three hours. Seconds before the contest is to end, a bolt of lightning takes out the electricity. A few moments later, power is restored, and God announces that time is up. He asks Satan to show him his programming. Visibly upset, Satan says, "I have nothing! I lost it all when the power went out." "Let's see if Jesus has fared any better," God says. Jesus pulls up his screen and shows God a vivid display of Angels with lutes and harps as the voices of an angelic choir resound from the speakers. Satan is shocked. "But how?" he cries. "I lost everything, but Jesus' program is intact?" "How did he do it?" God smiled and said "Everyone knows...Jesus saves. David Knight dmknight@optusnet.com.au

Hi Glenda, Thanks for these links. I'm adding the first one to the Northern Links page. Regards Dave. > Good Morning Everyone, > > Here are some additional sites for dating of old > photographs. I hope they will be of some help. > > http://www.classyimage.com/picdate.htm > > http://www.genealogy.about.com/hobbies/genealogy/cs/photodating/ > > http://genealogypro.com/dating-photographs.html > > Regards, > > Glenda > > > ==== NORTHERN-ENGLAND Mailing List ==== > Don't forget you can also post your surnames or any other messages you may want to share in our on line forum message board, > http://amazingforums.com/forum/NORTH/forum.html > > > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.230 / Virus Database: 111 - Release Date: 25-Jan-01

LOL...good one David Maggie

Thanks for the link Dave, I'll give it a look later. Maggie

In a message dated 05/02/01 22:05:09 GMT Standard Time, dave@cdcatalogues.co.uk writes: << Hi Maggie, Sorry to say , I landed on my Coccyx ( thus spake the spell checker - 5th glass ) and had to be helped up by a very nice lady in the greengrocers. I remember having an "unusual" walk for a few weeks .......... The saddle of my racing bike became an instrument of torture ! 62-63 sounds right to me. I keep thinking the weather's not too bad. Wonder if I'd say the same if I didn't have double glazing and central heating. Regards Dave. >> Ooh that sounds very painful Dave. The sun is shining at the moment and the temperature (in the shade) is 10C. It should be pouring with rain according the the weatherman but luckily he got it wrong. It is very windy but the house is sheltered by trees...thank goodness. Maggie

In a message dated 05/02/01 22:01:41 GMT Standard Time, wrwgrw@earthlink.net writes: << Most of our snow has melted, the grass is on its way to turning green and the buds are swelling in anticipation of spring. >> It makes you feel good to think that Spring is just around the corner, doesn't it. Maggie

Good Morning Everyone, Here are some additional sites for dating of old photographs. I hope they will be of some help. http://www.classyimage.com/picdate.htm http://www.genealogy.about.com/hobbies/genealogy/cs/photodating/ http://genealogypro.com/dating-photographs.html Regards, Glenda

Hi, Here is a Kinship Glossary: http://www.as.ua.edu/ant/Faculty/murphy/436/kinship.htm Extended Family: "A domestic group or composite of domestic groups consisting of two or more nuclear families linked together through parent and child (patrilineal extended family, matrilineal extended family) or through siblings (fraternal or sorroral extended family)." (RK:149). The social unit, usually co-residing, consisting of two or more nuclear families affiliated through an extension of parent-child relationships; i.e., the nuclear family of a married adult joined to that of his/her parents (NG-359). Regards, Glenda

Hi Jean Yes, It's interesting this age thing. The web site will eventually represent two cousins stories of tracing their ancestors, and hopefully, will be typical of what it's like to do the tracing. My grandmother in Sunderland, when she married in Dec 1897 said she was 21 - one witness was her twin sister Margaret ( another mystery also 19 !) . We know Mary Jane was only 19 at the time ( a registry office wedding ). Dad Daniel McLaughlan was still alive and living in the area ( my mother remembers him , and she wasn't born 'till 1916 ) . Gran had only known my grandfather for a few weeks, so maybe there's the answer. Mind you, the first <recorded> child , my aunt Ethel wasn't born until October 1898. Ethel decided to marry and not tell anybody - unfortunately my grandfather was the cabman who took her to the church ! Now there's a story ! Mother you'll never guess what happened today ...... I also wonder what the odds are for having 3 sets of twins ? Well done Daniel ! ( and 2 different wives to boot ) The age thing is quite simple - if you're 21 then you don't need dad's permission ............ A fascinating story ...... regards Dave ------------- I enjoyed your web site, Dave. You are right about the age on marriage certificates. The ones in my family have no resemblance to the actual ages. In one case everyone was underage for marriage so I suspect that is why the ages were inflated. Jean in NS ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Allen" <dave@cdcatalogues.co.uk> To: <NORTHERN-ENGLAND-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, February 05, 2001 6:34 PM Subject: Re: [NTH-ENG] Dating old photographs The URL is http://212.19.69.91/ancestors/ --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.230 / Virus Database: 111 - Release Date: 25-Jan-01

Hi All On the subject of old photos, there's a classic 1880 ( we think ) photo of my Great Grandmother and 4 children on my family history website - not finished and probably never will be ! It's gallery 1 from the Picture Gallery link. This is a "tin plate" photo of about 2 1/2 by 1 1/2 " depicting my great grandmother and 4 children. We think that we are looking at 4 boys , despite the dress of the child on gg's lap. This puts the picture as pre 1881. There's also a picture of "the Oracle" and her only surviving brother and sister from a family of 16. We currently know only 13 children , but we're working on the other 3 at £6.50 a guess ! The URL is http://212.19.69.91/ancestors/ Please bear in mind that this is "work in progress" and may contravene the data protection act , and the "shape of bananas maximum curvature EEC directive". If anybody can identify the "unknown boys" - hello cousin ! Regards Dave > Greetings, > > Here is a site I thought might be useful: > > Dating old photographs > > http://www.familychronicle.com/dating.htm > > Regards, > > Glenda > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.230 / Virus Database: 111 - Release Date: 25-Jan-01

Actually, Dave, a friend of mine had a sister-in-law with three sets of twins and two husbands in about 8 years. When she got pregnant the last time my friend got a letter saying there was only one baby this time. Everyone was relieved to hear that.The lady in question was less than thirty and had 9 children! In Halifax there is a society for parents with multiple births. One family had one child followed by twins followed by triplets. All were under six. This decided one parent of fraternal twins whom I knew not to risk another pregnancy. The tendency to fraternal twins does run in families and is much more common for Europeans and Africans than other groups. Fraternal twins are rare in Japan. Jean in NS ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Allen" <dave@cdcatalogues.co.uk> To: "Jean White" <jphwhite@ns.sympatico.ca> Cc: <NORTHERN-ENGLAND-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, February 05, 2001 7:59 PM Subject: Re: [NTH-ENG] Dating old photographs > Hi Jean > > Yes, It's interesting this age thing. The web site will eventually represent > two cousins stories of tracing their ancestors, and hopefully, will be > typical of what it's like to do the tracing. > > My grandmother in Sunderland, when she married in Dec 1897 said she was 21 - > one witness was her twin sister Margaret ( another mystery also 19 !) . We > know Mary Jane was only 19 at the time ( a registry office wedding ). Dad > Daniel McLaughlan was still alive and living in the area ( my mother > remembers him , and she wasn't born 'till 1916 ) . Gran had only known my > grandfather for a few weeks, so maybe there's the answer. Mind you, the > first <recorded> child , my aunt Ethel wasn't born until October 1898. > Ethel decided to marry and not tell anybody - unfortunately my grandfather > was the cabman who took her to the church ! Now there's a story ! Mother > you'll never guess what happened today ...... > > I also wonder what the odds are for having 3 sets of twins ? Well done > Daniel ! ( and 2 different wives to boot ) > > The age thing is quite simple - if you're 21 then you don't need dad's > permission ............ > > A fascinating story ...... > > regards > > Dave > ------------- > > I enjoyed your web site, Dave. > > You are right about the age on marriage certificates. The ones in my family > have no resemblance to the actual ages. In one case everyone was underage > for marriage so I suspect that is why the ages were inflated. > > Jean in NS > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dave Allen" <dave@cdcatalogues.co.uk> > To: <NORTHERN-ENGLAND-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, February 05, 2001 6:34 PM > Subject: Re: [NTH-ENG] Dating old photographs > > The URL is http://212.19.69.91/ancestors/ > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.230 / Virus Database: 111 - Release Date: 25-Jan-01 > > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.227 / Virus Database: 109 - Release Date: 1/17/01

Good one, Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Knight" <dmknight@optusnet.com.au> To: <NORTHERN-ENGLAND-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, February 05, 2001 8:49 PM Subject: [NTH-ENG] Christian Computing > Christian Computing > > Jesus and Satan are sitting around in the world between, > having an argument over who is the better programmer. They > discuss this for several hours until they agree to hold a > contest, with God as the judge. Sitting at their computers, > they begin typing furiously, lines of code filling up the > screens, for almost three hours. Seconds before the contest > is to end, a bolt of lightning takes out the electricity. A > few moments later, power is restored, and God announces > that time is up. He asks Satan to show him his > programming. Visibly upset, Satan says, "I have nothing! I > lost it all when the power went out." > "Let's see if Jesus has fared any better," God says. Jesus > pulls up his screen and shows God a vivid display of Angels with lutes and > harps as the voices of an angelic choir resound from the speakers. > Satan is shocked. "But how?" he cries. "I lost everything, > but Jesus' program is intact?" > > "How did he do it?" God smiled and said "Everyone knows...Jesus > saves. > > David Knight > dmknight@optusnet.com.au > > > ==== NORTHERN-ENGLAND Mailing List ==== > Don't forget you can also post your surnames or any other messages you may want to share in our on line forum message board, > http://amazingforums.com/forum/NORTH/forum.html > > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.227 / Virus Database: 109 - Release Date: 1/17/01

Hi Maggie Roll on summer indeed - I'm sick of looking at 3" high <wet> grass all the time ! Back to the flood plain problem again - if you build roads on it , you can't expect much else ......... May venture up the road and have a paddle tomorrow ! On balance - I'd rather have snow, Do you remember ( in the 60's I think ) when it snowed heavily in March ? I remember it because I fell off my bike and landed on my a**se and couldn't get up again. Regards Dave Only 3 glasses and no passes ....... > In a message dated 05/02/01 20:17:37 GMT Standard Time, > dave@cdcatalogues.co.uk writes: > > << No snow this far south yet, but guess who's on flood alert again ? >> > > Oh bad luck Dave but I am not surprised. There is nowhere for the water to > go. All the ditches round here are full to overflowing and are running down > the lane straight into the river which is 4ft above normal. Roll on summer. > > Maggie --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.230 / Virus Database: 111 - Release Date: 25-Jan-01

Hi All These are the clean ones ............ Probably why they're not <that> funny ! Regards Dave > Wanting to be married, a couple came to the county courthouse in > Virginia where I work. They accidentally walked up to the offices > where hunting licenses are sold. > > "We're from out-of-state," said the prospective groom. "Can we get a > license?" > > The clerk replied, "No, but I can give you a three-day permit." > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > For a holiday, an Irishman decided to go to Switzerland > to fulfil a lifelong dream and climb the Matterhorn. > > He hired a guide, and just as they neared the top, the > men were caught in a snow slide. Three hours later, a Saint Bernard plowed > through to them, a keg of brandy tied under his chin. > > "Hooray!" shouted the guide. "Here comes man's best friend!" > > "Yeah," said the Irishman. "An' look at the size of > the dog that's bringin' it!" > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > One summer, a drought threatened the crop in a small town. On a hot and dry > Sunday, the village parson told his congregation, "There isn't anything that > will save us except to pray for rain. Go home, pray, believe, and come back > next > Sunday ready to thank God for sending rain." > > The people did as they were told and returned to church > the following Sunday. But as soon as the parson saw > them, he was furious. > > "We can't worship today. You do not yet believe," he said. > > "But," they protested, "we prayed, and we do believe." > > "Believe?" he responded. "Then where are your > umbrellas?" --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.230 / Virus Database: 111 - Release Date: 25-Jan-01

----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Allen" <dave@cdcatalogues.co.uk> To: <MagsB1942@aol.com> Sent: Monday, February 05, 2001 8:27 PM Subject: Re: [NTH-ENG]Snow > Hi Maggie > > No snow this far south yet, but guess who's on flood alert again ? > > Good old Loddon ! > > Regards > > Dave > > > Oooooooh Coral, hot sun....sand...sea...but perhaps 100F is a bit high...a > > nice 75F so that I could sit in the garden. I just hope that this summer > is > > better than last and we get some nice warm, dry weather. > > > > I know what you mean about the snow. We haven't had a decent fall here > since > > the early 80s and, like you, I enjoy walking in it. There is something > nice > > about coming back in, face tingling and sitting in front of a roaring > fire. > > > > Maggie > > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.230 / Virus Database: 111 - Release Date: 25-Jan-01 > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.230 / Virus Database: 111 - Release Date: 25-Jan-01

I enjoyed your web site, Dave. You are right about the age on marriage certificates. The ones in my family have no resemblance to the actual ages. In one case everyone was underage for marriage so I suspect that is why the ages were inflated. Jean in NS ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Allen" <dave@cdcatalogues.co.uk> To: <NORTHERN-ENGLAND-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, February 05, 2001 6:34 PM Subject: Re: [NTH-ENG] Dating old photographs Hi All On the subject of old photos, there's a classic 1880 ( we think ) photo of my Great Grandmother and 4 children on my family history website - not finished and probably never will be ! It's gallery 1 from the Picture Gallery link. This is a "tin plate" photo of about 2 1/2 by 1 1/2 " depicting my great grandmother and 4 children. We think that we are looking at 4 boys , despite the dress of the child on gg's lap. This puts the picture as pre 1881. There's also a picture of "the Oracle" and her only surviving brother and sister from a family of 16. We currently know only 13 children , but we're working on the other 3 at £6.50 a guess ! The URL is http://212.19.69.91/ancestors/ Please bear in mind that this is "work in progress" and may contravene the data protection act , and the "shape of bananas maximum curvature EEC directive". If anybody can identify the "unknown boys" - hello cousin ! Regards Dave > Greetings, > > Here is a site I thought might be useful: > > Dating old photographs > > http://www.familychronicle.com/dating.htm > > Regards, > > Glenda > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.230 / Virus Database: 111 - Release Date: 25-Jan-01 ==== NORTHERN-ENGLAND Mailing List ==== Visit the lists Pulse Page here, http://212.19.69.91/north/ --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.227 / Virus Database: 109 - Release Date: 1/17/01

Hi Maggie, You are quite welcome and thank you for responding - it is appreciated. And thank you for 'missing' me - it is good to know that someone cares ! I really appreciate it. Snow here has been just flurries; we haven't received the heavy snows of the north or Canada. Most of our snow has melted, the grass is on its way to turning green and the buds are swelling in anticipation of spring. Regards, Glenda >Thanks for the site. I'll give it a look now. > >Glad to hear from you. I wondered if you had lost your power through the >snow >as you had been quiet.

Hi Glenda, Thanks for the site. I'll give it a look now. Glad to hear from you. I wondered if you had lost your power through the snow as you had been quiet. Take care, Maggie