Thank you to all for the great explanations You guys are sharp and quick !! Smiles, Soph ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Allen" <dave@cdcatalogues.co.uk> To: <NORTHERN-ENGLAND-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2001 2:35 PM Subject: Re: [NTH-ENG] Re: [LIV] Over the Brush? huh? > Sorry Sophiee, > > Fresh out of tissues ! > > OVER THE BRUSH, LIVE OVER THE BRUSH. NW English. Colloquial. Is, for a man & > a > woman, to co-habit without the sanctity of marriage. > > Alternatively a married couple living over a broom shop ! :-) > > Banns. ... Definition: Public announcement, especially in a church, of an > intended marriage. > In many churches, banns were read aloud on three successive Sundays. ... > > ( If I remember - to give objectors a chance to speak up ! ) > > Dave > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "SOPHIEE" <2sophiee@home.com> > To: <NORTHERN-ENGLAND-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2001 9:24 PM > Subject: [NTH-ENG] Re: [LIV] Over the Brush? huh? > > > > > > I would like to know this heading as well as and explanation of the > meaning of "Banns" > > Soph passes Lynne a tissue. > > > > > Interpretation needed, please. What does "over the brush" mean??? > > > Thanks! > > > Lynne > > > with a very bad head cold in the USA :-( > > > > > > > > > ==== ENG-LIVERPOOL Mailing List ==== > > > > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > > Create a FREE family website at MyFamily.com! > > > http://www.myfamily.com/banner.asp?ID=RWLIST2 > > > > > > > > > --- > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > Version: 6.0.230 / Virus Database: 111 - Release Date: 1/25/01 > > > > > > ==== NORTHERN-ENGLAND Mailing List ==== > > Visit the lists Pulse Page here, > > http://212.19.69.91/north/ > > > > > > > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.230 / Virus Database: 111 - Release Date: 25-Jan-01 > > > ==== NORTHERN-ENGLAND Mailing List ==== > ENG-DURHAM-YORKS-L@rootsweb.com > A mailing list for those whose ancestors moved between County Durham and > Yorkshire, discussion of the history and migration of the region as well as for people looking for ancestors in either County. > > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.230 / Virus Database: 111 - Release Date: 1/25/01

I would like to know this heading as well as and explanation of the meaning of "Banns" Soph passes Lynne a tissue. > Interpretation needed, please. What does "over the brush" mean??? > Thanks! > Lynne > with a very bad head cold in the USA :-( > > > ==== ENG-LIVERPOOL Mailing List ==== > > > > ============================== > Create a FREE family website at MyFamily.com! > http://www.myfamily.com/banner.asp?ID=RWLIST2 > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.230 / Virus Database: 111 - Release Date: 1/25/01

In a message dated 10/02/01 15:26:59 GMT Standard Time, 2sophiee@home.com writes: << On a fence: "Salesmen welcome, dog food is expensive." >> Thanks Sophiee, they are all good but I rather I like that one....lol Maggie

Hi Dave I think the Jaw-Bone has been or soon will be replaced with a new one from Scandinavia because the old one is rotting and unsafe. Jim Sharpe Manchester U K ----- Original Message ----- From: Dave Allen <dave@cdcatalogues.co.uk> To: <NORTHERN-ENGLAND-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: 09/mm/01 9:52 PM Subject: Fw: [NTH-ENG] Bits of a 50's Low Fell Childhood. > Sugar ! > > > > > Hi All > > > > Reading Mikey's post reminds me of my experiences of train travel when I > was > > nowt but a nipper : > > > > Anybody remember the machines they used to have where you put a penny in > and > > could produce a metal strip with your name on it ( an early form of > Letraset > > ! ). Or my favourite the old chocolate dispensers ? Sixpence I think ! Or > a > > Frys chocolate bar with gooey white filling - chocolate cream ? > > > > We used to go to Twickenham quite regularly on an old Southern Region > > electric train, quite modern compared with the steam trains I remember > going > > "up north" on from Kings Cross. The smell of the smoke and steam can never > > be forgotten - overnight and no sleep ! > > > > If I remember they have a whale jawbone in Whitby - near the harbour ? > > > > I also remember the ice cream man cycling up our road on a tricycle , and > > the rag and bone man with his goldfish ! > > > > Anybody remember penny packets of broken crisps - complete with blue salt > > bag ? > > > > Fancy liquor with cream ? Advocaat or egg flip ? > > > > Regards > > > > Dave > > > > > > > After watching some of the days fast trains at Low Fell Station and no > > doubt > > > being > > > black smudged by some as I was always trying to see down the smoke stack > > > from the Bridge, I would wander to Gateshead, (C. Durham') Saltwell Park > > to > > > catch Sticklebacks. The Museum there housed a Marine collection > > containing > > > many magnificent Tyne Shipbuilders scale models. I nearly wore my nose > > out > > > on the cases examining every feature. By the entrance were the > monstrous > > > jawbones of a Blue Whale. Then if cold home via the Swimming Baths to > buy > > a > > > Hot Penny Dippie in the corner shop. ( Cob cut in two & then dipped in > > Meat > > > gravy.) > > > > > > The park had: a Maze, not very good as worn out and merely shrubby, > > hardly > > > a puzzle for nosy kids. Giant outdoor Chess, Draughts Sets & Board > which > > > fascinated me. It was lovely to see the old uns playing. I wasnt > > > interested in the Game just the Chess pieces and the atmosphere of it. > > > Bowls later back home in Nottm., grabbed me that way too. I was happy > for > > > hours just watching the games but with that was the added aspect of pace > > and > > > accuracy as with our marbles played in dusty scooped out holes in a > small > > > Victorian Park behind my aunts house. > > > > > > In the winters a gang of us would roll giant snowballs in the little > park, > > > allow them to freeze overnight and then carve them out into Igloo's the > > > next day with our Sheath Knives and spades. Many a bent beach one > > > was cast aside! Amazingly warm from Candle heat. > > > > > > I recall one prank we got up to, Colleridge Ave was a hill and so > unlike > > > the Park it was much easier for just a few of us to roll the giants? > > After > > > one heavy nights 9" snowfall we were all up and out very early, as one > did > > > at snowtime, and rolled say a dozen of them which made about a 6 ft high > > > barricade at the flat crossroads halfway down! It closed the road > > > completelyto all traffic! :-)) They had to bring a lorry with a snow > > > plough out to > > > remove it before the small horsedrawn milk cart arrived. > > > Needless to say we having made it scarpered indoors and watched > > > the fun from front bedrooms and lounges!! Very oddly no one asked us > > about > > > it later either? Not even my Uncle who was a tad of a disciplinarian > > > stickler and didnt understand children but kind (he also gave me my > first > > > drink, some fancy liquour with cream). That tho was a touch galling to > > us > > > not being quizzed about our pride and joy, but looking back now perhaps > > the > > > adults had enjoyed it too as they all knew very well who had built it & > > > would again? > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Mikey. > > > Spectemur Agendo. > > > Sign seen at the side of a Sussex road: > > > SLOW CATTLE CROSSING. 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Make that 2 lumps ......... > Hi Jean et all, > > I have found the 1881 ( and the 1851 in one case ) census ages to be pretty > accurate, with the possible exception of one John Bryan "retired due to ill > health" who would appear to have lopped a few years off his age in 1881. I > suspect he was intending to marry his "housekeeper" at the time. Marriage > certificate ages can be wrong - people lie about their ages for various > reasons, probably to become "of full age" i.e. 21! Birth and death > certificates should be right, of course, at least date wise, but the age on > a death certificate may well be inaccurate, relying on relatives memory ?. > People knock the IGI, my only comment is "if it didn't come from the parish > register - it's probably wrong ! Avoid sealing records like the plague". One > shouldn't confuse christening dates on the IGI with birth dates , people > weren't always christened/baptised as babies! > > Has anybody else found a high occurrence of "21" as the brides age at > marriage ? The groom always seems to be a few years older! > > Regards > > Dave > > > An interesting exchange on accuracy of information re BMDs on the Cheshire > > list. The information about age on my Ggrandparents HADFIELD is completely > > contradicted by their birth certificates and the 1881 and 1891 census > > information. The latter three sources are in agreement. > > > > Jean in Nova Scotia > > > > jphwhite@ns.sympatico.ca > > > > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.230 / Virus Database: 111 - Release Date: 25-Jan-01 > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.230 / Virus Database: 111 - Release Date: 25-Jan-01

Good Moring All, Here is a doggy start to the day :-) TTFN Marion in a snow wet bleak County Durham DOG LETTERS TO GOD Dear God, How come people love to smell flowers, but seldom, if ever, smell one another? Where are their priorities? Dear God, When we get to Heaven, can we sit on your couch? Or is it the same old story? Dear God, Excuse me, but why are there cars named after the jaguar, the cougar, the mustang, the colt, the stingray, and the rabbit, but not one named for a dog? How often do you see a cougar riding around? We dogs love a nice ride! I know every breed cannot have its own model, but it would be easy to rename the Chrysler Eagle the Chrysler Beagle! Dear God, If a dog barks his head off in the forest and no human hears him, is he still a bad dog? Dear God, When my foster mom's friend comes over to our house, he smells like musk! What's he been rolling around in? Dear God, Is it true that in Heaven, dining room tables have on-ramps? Dear God, If we come back as humans, is that good or bad? Dear God, More meatballs, less spaghetti, please. Dear God, When we get to the Pearly Gates, do we have to shake hands to get in? Dear God, We dogs can understand human verbal instructions, hand signals, whistles, horns, clickers, beepers, scent IDs, electromagnetic energy fields, and Frisbee flight paths. What do humans understand? Dear God, Are there dogs on other planets, or are we alone? I have been howling at the moon and stars for a long time, but all I ever hear back is the beagle across the street. Dear God, Are there mailmen in Heaven? If there are, will I have to apologize? Dear God, Is it true that dogs are not allowed in restaurants because we can't make up our minds what NOT to order? Or is it the carpets again? Dear God, When my family eats dinner they always bless their food. But they never bless mine. So, I've been wagging my tail extra fast when they fill my bowl. Have you noticed my own blessing? Dear God, I've always lived at the shelter and I have everything I need. But many of the cats here have names and I don't. Could you give me a name please? It would be good for my self-esteem. Dear God, The new terrier I live with just wet on the Oriental rug and I have a feeling my family might blame me 'cuz they think I'm jealous of this stupid dog. Since they have no sense of smell, how can I convince them I'm innocent? Does PetsMart sell lie detectors?

I don't often do the joke passing thing, but thought this one was to cute to not pass along Smiles to your day, Sophiee Cute Signs . . . Sign in Vets office: "All unattended children given free kitten." Lot outside Vet's office: "Parking for customers only, others will be neutered." In Vets waiting room: "Be back in 5 minutes, Sit! Stay!" Plumber: "We repair what your husband fixed." Pizza Shop slogan: "7 days without pizza makes one Weak." At a tire shop in Milwaukee: "Invite us to your next blowout." Sign at the psychic's Hotline: "Don't call us, we'll call you." At a Towing Co. "We don't charge an arm and a leg. We want tows." Billboard on the side of the road: "Keep your eyes on the road and stop reading these signs." On an Electrician's truck: "Let us remove your shorts." In a Nonsmoking area: "If we see smoking we will assume you are on fire and take appropriate action." On a Maternity Room Door: "Push, Push, Push." At an Optometrists Office: "If you don't see what your looking for you've come to the right place." On a Taxidermist's window: "We really know our stuff." In a Podiatrist's office: "Time wounds all heels." On a fence: "Salesmen welcome, dog food is expensive." Outside a muffler shop: "No appointment necessary, we'll hear you coming." Inside a bowling alley: "Please be quiet, we need to hear a pin drop." In a counselors office: "Growing old is mandatory, growing wise is optional." Radiator repair shop: "It's a great place to take a leak." END --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.230 / Virus Database: 111 - Release Date: 1/25/01

There's no doubt a lot of 21 year old brides. My Ggrandmother said she was but she was only 18 and several months pregnant so I think the motive was obvious. Jean in Nova Scotia jphwhite@ns.sympatico.ca ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Allen" <dave@cdcatalogues.co.uk> To: <NORTHERN-ENGLAND-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2001 10:14 AM Subject: Fw: [NTH-ENG] Fw: [CHS] Checking the Burial Registers > Make that 2 lumps ......... > > > > Hi Jean et all, > > > > I have found the 1881 ( and the 1851 in one case ) census ages to be > pretty > > accurate, with the possible exception of one John Bryan "retired due to > ill > > health" who would appear to have lopped a few years off his age in 1881. I > > suspect he was intending to marry his "housekeeper" at the time. Marriage > > certificate ages can be wrong - people lie about their ages for various > > reasons, probably to become "of full age" i.e. 21! Birth and death > > certificates should be right, of course, at least date wise, but the age > on > > a death certificate may well be inaccurate, relying on relatives memory ?. > > People knock the IGI, my only comment is "if it didn't come from the > parish > > register - it's probably wrong ! Avoid sealing records like the plague". > One > > shouldn't confuse christening dates on the IGI with birth dates , people > > weren't always christened/baptised as babies! > > > > Has anybody else found a high occurrence of "21" as the brides age at > > marriage ? The groom always seems to be a few years older! > > > > Regards > > > > Dave > > > > > An interesting exchange on accuracy of information re BMDs on the > Cheshire > > > list. The information about age on my Ggrandparents HADFIELD is > completely > > > contradicted by their birth certificates and the 1881 and 1891 census > > > information. The latter three sources are in agreement. > > > > > > Jean in Nova Scotia > > > > > > jphwhite@ns.sympatico.ca > > > > > > > > > > > --- > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > Version: 6.0.230 / Virus Database: 111 - Release Date: 25-Jan-01 > > > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.230 / Virus Database: 111 - Release Date: 25-Jan-01 > > > ==== NORTHERN-ENGLAND Mailing List ==== > Don't forget you can also post your surnames or any other messages you may want to share in our on line forum message board, > http://amazingforums.com/forum/NORTH/forum.html > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.230 / Virus Database: 111 - Release Date: 1/25/01

An interesting exchange on accuracy of information re BMDs on the Cheshire list. The information about age on my Ggrandparents HADFIELD is completely contradicted by their birth certificates and the 1881 and 1891 census information. The latter three sources are in agreement. Jean in Nova Scotia jphwhite@ns.sympatico.ca ----- Original Message ----- From: "Guy Lawton" <guy@golawton.freeserve.co.uk> To: <CHESHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2001 9:04 AM Subject: Re: [CHS] Checking the Burial Registers > In message <200102100629_MC2-C4F2-EB4D@compuserve.com>, Roy Stockdill > <roystock@compuserve.com> writes > >Gail Stokes wrote..... > <snip> > >Can I ask - especially people overseas - how many of us on finding a > >possible baptism for our ancestor, check the burial registers for the > >child's parish and the surrounding ones to make sure the infant didn't die? > > I've noticed on some of the American pedigree files that ancestors have > >been adopted from a baptismal entry from the IGI. There is little other > >information entered for these ancestors. It makes me wonder how people who > >don't have access to original or microfilmed copies of registers check that > >their baptised child is indeed their ancestor. This is especially > >necessary where you have a common surname. > <snip> > > > >THE answer to your question, I am afraid, is that a great many people don't > >check! They just grab someone from the IGI who happens to fit their > >sought-for ancestor and slot them into a GEDCOM. It's called naivety, > >ignorance of proper research techniques and wishful thinking. You have only > >to look at some of the pedigrees in Ancestral File and also on the World > >Family Tree Project CDs to realise what an awful lot of garbage there is > >being perpetuated out there. > > > >The worst problem is those dreaded "Birth about....." entries on the IGI. > >What happened is that Mormons making private patron submissions would find > >a genuine marriage in a parish register and needed a birth or baptism to > >complete the submission, but couldn't find one in that parish - undoubtedly > >because the person concerned had been baptised in another parish. So they > >simply invented a birth by deducting 25 years from the marriage date in the > >case of a male and 21 years in the case of a female (it being, quite > >wrongly, the assumption that those were the ages at which the great > >majority of people married) and submitting it as having taken place in that > >parish. Utter nonsense, of course - but you must always remember that LDS > >Church members use the IGI for a quite different purpose to we simple > >genealogists. > > > >The second problem is the equally dreaded "Relative" entries, where some > >submitters claimed themselves to be a relative of everyone they submitted > >purely because they had the same surname, thus making totally > >unsubstantiated links between families many miles apart! > > > >I don't know what the answer is to this, except that we who know what we > >are doing in genealogical research should keep on hammering home the > >message - check, check, check every fact and every link along the way. > >Certainly, anyone who tries to construct a family tree entirely from the > >IGI (as many do) needs their head seeing to!!! > >I know it's easier for we in the UK, especially those of us who live within > >handy reach of record offices etc, but you can always arrange to borrow > >films of parish registers through the Mormon FHCs. > > > > > I would like to endorse most strongly Roy's response to Gail's comments > (both shown above for those that missed them originally). Furthermore, > search not only for burial entries but also for any relevant gravestone > inscriptions. Wills also have a role to play in this context as well. > > In my own Lawton line I have an example which neatly illustrates the > need to check both the burials for the early death of an infant whose > baptism has been found, and for a gravestone inscription. > > On 28 December 1769 Joseph Lawton of Marton (Cheshire) stated that he > was aged 19 (so born about 1749-1750), and his father William who stood > bond consented to the marriage. These facts are recorded on the bond > and allegation. But the only Joseph son of William in the Marton > registers is "25 September 1746, Samuel and Joseph, sons of William and > Margaret Lawton". There is no possible doubt about this parentage, but > this baptismal date would make Joseph 23 at the time he married. A > possible but weak motive for subtracting 4 years from his age is that > his bride was also aged 19. > > There is no burial entry in the Marton registers for the 1746 Joseph, > but there is a Lawton family gravestone at Marton which, inter alia, > records the burial on 23 December 1749 of Joseph, "in the third year of > his age". Clearly the register is defective here. > > There is no baptismal entry either for a Joseph Lawton 1749-1750 at > Marton, but the 7 children of William and Margaret were all baptised > there between October 1740 and April 1747. Thus a missing baptism 2 - 3 > years after the last recorded baptism is feasible, the parents being in > their late 30s at that time, both living until the 1780s according to > their separate gravestone at Marton. Presumably the parents reused the > name Joseph for this late child, whose birth occurred only a matter of > months after the earlier Joseph's death. (This couple had re-used a > girl's name in similar circumstances only 3 years earlier). > > There is no probate documentation for Joseph's parents. > > In this example, checking the registers only would have apparently > confirmed that the groom had understated his age when obtaining the > marriage licence. The fortunate survival of the gravestone changed the > picture completely. > -- > Guy Lawton > Research: LAWTON, LEECH, POTT(S), SMALLWOOD Cheshire/Staffordshire mainly > BATTISHILL, CARWITHEN, LUKE, RICHARDS Devon/Cornwall > ROCHFORT worldwide, mainly Ireland > > > ==== CHESHIRE Mailing List ==== > Cheshire County Record Office: > http://www.cheshire.gov.uk/recoff/home.htm > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.230 / Virus Database: 111 - Release Date: 1/25/01

Hi Marion, They are great.....some nearly brought tears to my eyes. Maggie

Sugar! Arh, came in blue sugarpaper bags. Expletive?:-)) Regards, Mikey. Spectemur Agendo. ----- Original Message ----- From: Dave Allen <dave@cdcatalogues.co.uk> To: <NORTHERN-ENGLAND-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, February 09, 2001 9:52 PM Subject: Fw: [NTH-ENG] Bits of a 50's Low Fell Childhood. > Sugar ! > > > > > Hi All > > > > Reading Mikey's post reminds me of my experiences of train travel when I > was > > nowt but a nipper : > > > > Anybody remember the machines they used to have where you put a penny in > and > > could produce a metal strip with your name on it ( an early form of > Letraset > > ! ). Or my favourite the old chocolate dispensers ? Sixpence I think ! Or > a > > Frys chocolate bar with gooey white filling - chocolate cream ? > > > > We used to go to Twickenham quite regularly on an old Southern Region > > electric train, quite modern compared with the steam trains I remember > going > > "up north" on from Kings Cross. The smell of the smoke and steam can never > > be forgotten - overnight and no sleep ! > > > > If I remember they have a whale jawbone in Whitby - near the harbour ? > > > > I also remember the ice cream man cycling up our road on a tricycle , and > > the rag and bone man with his goldfish ! > > > > Anybody remember penny packets of broken crisps - complete with blue salt > > bag ? > > > > Fancy liquor with cream ? Advocaat or egg flip ? > > > > Regards > > > > Dave > > > > > > > After watching some of the days fast trains at Low Fell Station and no > > doubt > > > being > > > black smudged by some as I was always trying to see down the smoke stack > > > from the Bridge, I would wander to Gateshead, (C. Durham') Saltwell Park > > to > > > catch Sticklebacks. The Museum there housed a Marine collection > > containing > > > many magnificent Tyne Shipbuilders scale models. I nearly wore my nose > > out > > > on the cases examining every feature. By the entrance were the > monstrous > > > jawbones of a Blue Whale. Then if cold home via the Swimming Baths to > buy > > a > > > Hot Penny Dippie in the corner shop. ( Cob cut in two & then dipped in > > Meat > > > gravy.) > > > > > > The park had: a Maze, not very good as worn out and merely shrubby, > > hardly > > > a puzzle for nosy kids. Giant outdoor Chess, Draughts Sets & Board > which > > > fascinated me. It was lovely to see the old uns playing. I wasnt > > > interested in the Game just the Chess pieces and the atmosphere of it. > > > Bowls later back home in Nottm., grabbed me that way too. I was happy > for > > > hours just watching the games but with that was the added aspect of pace > > and > > > accuracy as with our marbles played in dusty scooped out holes in a > small > > > Victorian Park behind my aunts house. > > > > > > In the winters a gang of us would roll giant snowballs in the little > park, > > > allow them to freeze overnight and then carve them out into Igloo's the > > > next day with our Sheath Knives and spades. Many a bent beach one > > > was cast aside! Amazingly warm from Candle heat. > > > > > > I recall one prank we got up to, Colleridge Ave was a hill and so > unlike > > > the Park it was much easier for just a few of us to roll the giants? > > After > > > one heavy nights 9" snowfall we were all up and out very early, as one > did > > > at snowtime, and rolled say a dozen of them which made about a 6 ft high > > > barricade at the flat crossroads halfway down! It closed the road > > > completelyto all traffic! :-)) They had to bring a lorry with a snow > > > plough out to > > > remove it before the small horsedrawn milk cart arrived. > > > Needless to say we having made it scarpered indoors and watched > > > the fun from front bedrooms and lounges!! Very oddly no one asked us > > about > > > it later either? Not even my Uncle who was a tad of a disciplinarian > > > stickler and didnt understand children but kind (he also gave me my > first > > > drink, some fancy liquour with cream). That tho was a touch galling to > > us > > > not being quizzed about our pride and joy, but looking back now perhaps > > the > > > adults had enjoyed it too as they all knew very well who had built it & > > > would again? > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Mikey. > > > Spectemur Agendo. > > > Sign seen at the side of a Sussex road: > > > SLOW CATTLE CROSSING. NO OVERTAKING FOR THE NEXT 100 YRS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== NORTHERN-ENGLAND Mailing List ==== > > > The aims of this list are to create a comradeship of Northerners and > those > > descendent from Northerners which can be beneficial to tracing the family > > history of the region. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > Version: 6.0.230 / Virus Database: 111 - Release Date: 25-Jan-01 > > > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.230 / Virus Database: 111 - Release Date: 25-Jan-01 > > > ==== NORTHERN-ENGLAND Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from the list in mail mode send a message to > NORTHERN-ENGLAND-L-request@rootsweb.com > that contains the word unsubscribe and nothing else. > If you are in digest mode, then send the command instead to > NORTHERN-ENGLAND-D-request@rootsweb.com >

Regards, Dave. The doctor took his patient into the room and said, "I have some good news and some bad news." The patient said, "Give me the good news." "They're going to name a disease after you." ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ At a cocktail party, a man got totally plastered, went up to the host and, in a slurred voice, asked, "Excuse me, but do lemons have feathers?" "I beg your pardon?" replied the host. The drunk asked again, "Do lemons have feathers?" as he struggled to hold his balance. A rather bemused host responded, "No, I don't think so." The drunk sheepish said, "Oopsie." "What?" asked the host. "I think I've just squeezed your canary into my drink." ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sally, a blonde, goes on her first camping trip. Her husband,who was a Scout Leader, was sick so she volunteered to take over for him one weekend. So, she got everyone together and assigned different duties to each scout. Gabby was responsible for the food supplies, Mike would be the cook this trip, Johnnie was responsible for their maps and making up a time schedule, Tim was to decide on their events, and to fit them into Johnnie's schedule and Sally would test all their equipment before setting out. They arrived at Big Moose Mountain and everyone was excited. They arrived right on schedule and were getting ready for their first event -hiking up the mountain. But first, they wanted to get something to eat. So Sally asked Mike if he would prepare the meal and, of course, Mike said he would. About 10 minutes later he came back and told Sally, "I can' make the supper. I can't light a fire with the matches you brought." Sally replied, "I can't understand that. Those matches should be perfectly fine. I tested them all just before we left." --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.230 / Virus Database: 111 - Release Date: 25-Jan-01

I'm no Johnny Craddock, but don't they marinade the fish in wine these days ? Dave :-) > Here is a bit of a chuckle for you all, > > Regards, > > Glenda > > A preacher was winding up his temperance sermon with great fervor, "If I > had all the beer in the world, I'd take it and throw it into the river." > And the congregation cried, "Amen!" > > "And if I had all the wine in the world, I'd take it and throw it in the > river." And the congregation cried, "Amen!" > > "And if I had all the whiskey and demon rum in the world, I'd take it all > and throw it in the river." And the congregation cried, "Hallelujah!" > > The preacher sat down. The song leader stood up very tentatively and > announced, "For our closing song, let us sing hymn #365: Shall We Gather > at the River." > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.230 / Virus Database: 111 - Release Date: 25-Jan-01

Sugar ! > Hi All > > Reading Mikey's post reminds me of my experiences of train travel when I was > nowt but a nipper : > > Anybody remember the machines they used to have where you put a penny in and > could produce a metal strip with your name on it ( an early form of Letraset > ! ). Or my favourite the old chocolate dispensers ? Sixpence I think ! Or a > Frys chocolate bar with gooey white filling - chocolate cream ? > > We used to go to Twickenham quite regularly on an old Southern Region > electric train, quite modern compared with the steam trains I remember going > "up north" on from Kings Cross. The smell of the smoke and steam can never > be forgotten - overnight and no sleep ! > > If I remember they have a whale jawbone in Whitby - near the harbour ? > > I also remember the ice cream man cycling up our road on a tricycle , and > the rag and bone man with his goldfish ! > > Anybody remember penny packets of broken crisps - complete with blue salt > bag ? > > Fancy liquor with cream ? Advocaat or egg flip ? > > Regards > > Dave > > > > After watching some of the days fast trains at Low Fell Station and no > doubt > > being > > black smudged by some as I was always trying to see down the smoke stack > > from the Bridge, I would wander to Gateshead, (C. Durham') Saltwell Park > to > > catch Sticklebacks. The Museum there housed a Marine collection > containing > > many magnificent Tyne Shipbuilders scale models. I nearly wore my nose > out > > on the cases examining every feature. By the entrance were the monstrous > > jawbones of a Blue Whale. Then if cold home via the Swimming Baths to buy > a > > Hot Penny Dippie in the corner shop. ( Cob cut in two & then dipped in > Meat > > gravy.) > > > > The park had: a Maze, not very good as worn out and merely shrubby, > hardly > > a puzzle for nosy kids. Giant outdoor Chess, Draughts Sets & Board which > > fascinated me. It was lovely to see the old uns playing. I wasnt > > interested in the Game just the Chess pieces and the atmosphere of it. > > Bowls later back home in Nottm., grabbed me that way too. I was happy for > > hours just watching the games but with that was the added aspect of pace > and > > accuracy as with our marbles played in dusty scooped out holes in a small > > Victorian Park behind my aunts house. > > > > In the winters a gang of us would roll giant snowballs in the little park, > > allow them to freeze overnight and then carve them out into Igloo's the > > next day with our Sheath Knives and spades. Many a bent beach one > > was cast aside! Amazingly warm from Candle heat. > > > > I recall one prank we got up to, Colleridge Ave was a hill and so unlike > > the Park it was much easier for just a few of us to roll the giants? > After > > one heavy nights 9" snowfall we were all up and out very early, as one did > > at snowtime, and rolled say a dozen of them which made about a 6 ft high > > barricade at the flat crossroads halfway down! It closed the road > > completelyto all traffic! :-)) They had to bring a lorry with a snow > > plough out to > > remove it before the small horsedrawn milk cart arrived. > > Needless to say we having made it scarpered indoors and watched > > the fun from front bedrooms and lounges!! Very oddly no one asked us > about > > it later either? Not even my Uncle who was a tad of a disciplinarian > > stickler and didnt understand children but kind (he also gave me my first > > drink, some fancy liquour with cream). That tho was a touch galling to > us > > not being quizzed about our pride and joy, but looking back now perhaps > the > > adults had enjoyed it too as they all knew very well who had built it & > > would again? > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Mikey. > > Spectemur Agendo. > > Sign seen at the side of a Sussex road: > > SLOW CATTLE CROSSING. NO OVERTAKING FOR THE NEXT 100 YRS. > > > > > > > > > > ==== NORTHERN-ENGLAND Mailing List ==== > > The aims of this list are to create a comradeship of Northerners and those > descendent from Northerners which can be beneficial to tracing the family > history of the region. > > > > > > > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.230 / Virus Database: 111 - Release Date: 25-Jan-01 > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.230 / Virus Database: 111 - Release Date: 25-Jan-01

After watching some of the days fast trains at Low Fell Station and no doubt being black smudged by some as I was always trying to see down the smoke stack from the Bridge, I would wander to Gateshead, (C. Durham') Saltwell Park to catch Sticklebacks. The Museum there housed a Marine collection containing many magnificent Tyne Shipbuilders scale models. I nearly wore my nose out on the cases examining every feature. By the entrance were the monstrous jawbones of a Blue Whale. Then if cold home via the Swimming Baths to buy a Hot Penny Dippie in the corner shop. ( Cob cut in two & then dipped in Meat gravy.) The park had: a Maze, not very good as worn out and merely shrubby, hardly a puzzle for nosy kids. Giant outdoor Chess, Draughts Sets & Board which fascinated me. It was lovely to see the old uns playing. I wasnt interested in the Game just the Chess pieces and the atmosphere of it. Bowls later back home in Nottm., grabbed me that way too. I was happy for hours just watching the games but with that was the added aspect of pace and accuracy as with our marbles played in dusty scooped out holes in a small Victorian Park behind my aunts house. In the winters a gang of us would roll giant snowballs in the little park, allow them to freeze overnight and then carve them out into Igloo's the next day with our Sheath Knives and spades. Many a bent beach one was cast aside! Amazingly warm from Candle heat. I recall one prank we got up to, Colleridge Ave was a hill and so unlike the Park it was much easier for just a few of us to roll the giants? After one heavy nights 9" snowfall we were all up and out very early, as one did at snowtime, and rolled say a dozen of them which made about a 6 ft high barricade at the flat crossroads halfway down! It closed the road completelyto all traffic! :-)) They had to bring a lorry with a snow plough out to remove it before the small horsedrawn milk cart arrived. Needless to say we having made it scarpered indoors and watched the fun from front bedrooms and lounges!! Very oddly no one asked us about it later either? Not even my Uncle who was a tad of a disciplinarian stickler and didnt understand children but kind (he also gave me my first drink, some fancy liquour with cream). That tho was a touch galling to us not being quizzed about our pride and joy, but looking back now perhaps the adults had enjoyed it too as they all knew very well who had built it & would again? Regards, Mikey. Spectemur Agendo. Sign seen at the side of a Sussex road: SLOW CATTLE CROSSING. NO OVERTAKING FOR THE NEXT 100 YRS.

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Loved it Coral -----Original Message----- From: mikemail [mailto:michael@ae.net.sa] Sent: Friday, 9 February 2001 7:27 PM To: NORTHERN-ENGLAND-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [NTH-ENG] Gratitude Can we be thankful no matter what?!!! I AM THANKFUL... For the husband who complains when his dinner is not on time, Because he is home with me and not with someone else. For the teenager who is complaining about doing dishes, Because that means she is at home and not on the streets. For the taxes that I pay, Because it means that I am employed. For the mess to clean after a party, Because it means that I have been surrounded by friends. For the clothes that fit a little too snug, Because it means I have enough to eat. For my shadow that watches me work, Because it means I am out in the sunshine. For a lawn that needs mowing, windows that need cleaning and gutters that need fixing, Because it means I have a home. For all the complaining I hear about the Government, Because it means that we have freedom of speech. For the parking spot I find at the far end of the parking lot, Because it means I am capable of walking and that I have been blessed with transportation For my huge heating bill, Because it means I am warm. For the lady behind me in church that sings off key, Because it means I can hear. For the pile of laundry and ironing, Because it means I have clothes to wear. For weariness and aching muscles at the end of the day, Because it means I have been capable of working hard. For the alarm that goes off in the early morning hours, Because it means that I am alive. And Finally..... For too much e-mail, THANK YOU GOD Because it means I have friends who are thinking about me ==== NORTHERN-ENGLAND Mailing List ==== ENG-DURHAM-YORKS-L@rootsweb.com A mailing list for those whose ancestors moved between County Durham and Yorkshire, discussion of the history and migration of the region as well as for people looking for ancestors in either County.

In a message dated 09/02/01 21:42:59 GMT Standard Time, dave@cdcatalogues.co.uk writes: << > Reading Mikey's post reminds me of my experiences of train travel when I was > nowt but a nipper : > > Anybody remember the machines they used to have where you put a penny in and > could produce a metal strip with your name on it ( an early form of Letraset > ! ). Or my favourite the old chocolate dispensers ? Sixpence I think ! Or a > Frys chocolate bar with gooey white filling - chocolate cream ? >> Oooooh yes Dave. Thanks Mikey and Dave for your memories. My dad and I used to go out for bike rides on a Sunday afternoon and often stopped on the top of the bridge to watch the trains. AWe also used to go to the seaside by train and there is nothing like a steam train, the smell, the noise of the wheels on the rail....mmmmmmmmm Maggie

Good ones Dave....rofl Maggie

My deepest condolences also. My families prayers and thoughts are with you and your family. Take care, ttfn, Trish, ex Hull lass, Central Coast of NSW, Oz where it's fine again after heaps of rain.