Wedgie Benn the greatest Prime Minister we didn't get. Politicians nowadays scrabble about for a peerage he rejected one (Lord Stansgate) to do a politicians job. As everywhere in the world honesty and integrity gets a politician nowhere. Jim Sharpe ----- Original Message ----- From: Marged <marged@btinternet.com> To: <NORTHERN-ENGLAND-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, November 24, 2000 11:47 PM Subject: Re: [NTH-ENG] That Mad Cow > Sorry - I never EVER thought Maggie was necessary. She is a jumped up, arrogant > upstart. > > Read an obit in the Independent today for Wedgie Benn's wife, who died recently. > There was a quotation from what he wrote at the time when he was lobbying for > Comprehensive Education. You should have read it. Brilliant and masterly. > > Wedgie Benn crystallises my thoughts. I hear him speak on the radio, and > without knowing who it is I think "Yes, that's it. He's saying what I think" > (on such subjects as the Gulf War etc.) > > By the way, if I had my powers of recall, I'd be able to think up my > grandmother's mother's Christian name. > > > > Marj > | > | Wouldn't dream of it ! If I had your powers of recall I'd be able to find my > | ancestors - no trouble! > | > | Sorry to say I used to be a fan of Maggie until she went all "unnecessary" > | > | Dave > | > | 1 more glass and I'm going to beddy byes ........ > | > | . > | ----- Original Message ----- > | From: "Marged" <marged@btinternet.com> > | To: <NORTHERN-ENGLAND-L@rootsweb.com> > | Sent: Friday, November 24, 2000 11:18 PM > | Subject: Re: [NTH-ENG] That Mad Cow > | > | > | > Thought he was going to say Marged for a minute! > | > > | > > | > ----- Original Message ----- > | > From: Dave Allen <dave@cdcatalogues.co.uk> > | > To: <NORTHERN-ENGLAND-L@rootsweb.com> > | > Sent: Friday, November 24, 2000 11:19 PM > | > Subject: Re: [NTH-ENG] That Mad Cow > | > > | > > | > | Hi Danny, > | > | > | > | Still sound like a Jimmy Tarbuck .......... > | > | > | > | Dave :-) > | > | > | > | Must be getting old - "Mad Cow" used to refer to some woman called > | > | "Margaret" ............ > | > | > | > | > | > | ----- Original Message ----- > | > | From: "Danny" <djnw33815@cableinet.co.uk> > | > | To: <NORTHERN-ENGLAND-L@rootsweb.com> > | > | Sent: Friday, November 24, 2000 11:10 PM > | > | Subject: Re: [NTH-ENG] That Mad Cow > | > | > | > | > | > | > Marge, > | > | > reminds me of the joke about the little old lady in great homer st > | > | > liverpool, she went into the butchers and asked for two pound of > | sausages, > | > | > the butcher said " they are kilos now flo" Oh awlright give us two > | pounds > | > | of > | > | > kilos lad LOL > | > | > Danny > | > | > > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | --- > | > | Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > | > | Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > | > | Version: 6.0.215 / Virus Database: 101 - Release Date: 16-Nov-00 > | > | > | > | > | > | ==== NORTHERN-ENGLAND Mailing List ==== > | > | ENG-DURHAM-YORKS-L@rootsweb.com > | > | A mailing list for those whose ancestors moved between County Durham and > | > | Yorkshire, discussion of the history and migration of the region as well > | as > | > for people looking for ancestors in either County. > | > | > | > | > | > > | > > | > --- > | > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > | > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > | > Version: 6.0.211 / Virus Database: 100 - Release Date: 14/11/00 > | > > | > > | > ==== NORTHERN-ENGLAND Mailing List ==== > | > Don't forget you can also post your surnames or any other messages you may > | want to share in our on line forum message board, > | > http://amazingforums.com/forum/NORTH/forum.html > | > > | > > | > > | > | > | --- > | Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > | Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > | Version: 6.0.215 / Virus Database: 101 - Release Date: 16-Nov-00 > | > | > | ==== NORTHERN-ENGLAND Mailing List ==== > | Add a link to your website here, > | http://pub23.bravenet.com/freelink/show.php?usernum=1926973379&cpv=1 > | > | > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.211 / Virus Database: 100 - Release Date: 14/11/00 > > > ==== NORTHERN-ENGLAND Mailing List ==== > ENG-DURHAM-YORKS-L@rootsweb.com > A mailing list for those whose ancestors moved between County Durham and > Yorkshire, discussion of the history and migration of the region as well as for people looking for ancestors in either County. > > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.215 / Virus Database: 101 - Release Date: 11/16/00

I totally agree with you Mike - I never understand why people say "He's an animal" about some thug or other. Animals don't treat each other like that. Kill, yes, but only doing what they are programmed to do, not just for the sake of it. Marged Always looking for: INGHAM, FISCHER, BENTLEY, HUGHES, PEACOCK, MOUNIER, LATINIER --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.215 / Virus Database: 101 - Release Date: 16/11/00

Marged, They are indeed very deep; within that layer of humour and wit! Tossing wonderful barbs and arrows at civilisation. He see's the world quite clearly for what it is, he is an Artist. A tad special, Mikey. ----- Original Message ----- From: Marged <marged@btinternet.com> To: <NORTHERN-ENGLAND-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2000 4:33 PM Subject: Re: [NTH-ENG] from ANOTHER LIST > Well, I was quite surprised as I passed the poem on because I thought it was - > not deep, but cute. > > > > > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.215 / Virus Database: 101 - Release Date: 16/11/00 > > > ==== NORTHERN-ENGLAND Mailing List ==== > The aims of this list are to create a comradeship of Northerners and those descendent from Northerners which can be beneficial to tracing the family history of the region. >

Marged, Pigs eat meat by god you should see what they eat in large wild enclosures same with chickens! Ever thought about how much rat meat gets into your supermarket free range chickens? They are excellent rat killers you see one get cornered and rats are fast but a hen can be hell and it doesnt waste it either, gobbled and gone. Not too mention the odd other sister Hen that dies....... They waste nothing that is edible as neither do Pigs and Boar. Simple converters like us. Jeeps Marged you live a comfortable life and have the freedom of choice and life though I am afraid I have to say, passes you by. Very convenient blinkers you wear and having it both ways. Regards, Mikey. ----- Original Message ----- From: Marged <marged@btinternet.com> To: <NORTHERN-ENGLAND-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2000 4:42 PM Subject: [NTH-ENG] EATING MEAT > I don't know if I have said this before - hit the delete button if I have. > > I am a meat eater, but I would prefer to be a vegetarian. However, it is > something that I find too difficult to do. So I try to make sure that the meat > I eat is from a decent source. > > There are some meats that we are not supposed to eat (see Leviticus) and > examination of the types mentioned there will show that these, like lions etc., > are animals which eat meat themselves and have different digestive systems to > things like cows and sheep. > > I think there is some confusion over pigs - and I am sorry I eat them, because > yes, they are intelligent, and I think they would eat meat if it was given to > them. > > > > Marged > > Always looking for: > INGHAM, FISCHER, BENTLEY, > HUGHES, PEACOCK, MOUNIER, LATINIER > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.215 / Virus Database: 101 - Release Date: 16/11/00 > > > ==== NORTHERN-ENGLAND Mailing List ==== > Don't forget you can also post your surnames or any other messages you may want to share in our on line forum message board, > http://amazingforums.com/forum/NORTH/forum.html >

Depends what class you are. The middle and upper classes have tea and a light meal scones, cakes etc. because they have dinner at about 8pm. Tea time is 4.30- 5pm. The lower classes who do all the work have a substantial meal at tea time. Lunch is another thing altogether, we commoners call it dinner. It's all very confusing for foreigners. <BG> Jim Sharpe ----- Original Message ----- From: Glenda R. Wilson <wrwgrw@earthlink.net> To: <NORTHERN-ENGLAND-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2000 8:33 AM Subject: [NTH-ENG] Teatime > Dear Everyone, > > How many times a day, and at what time, does teatime take place > in the UK ? What does one usually have during teatime besides > the tea ? > > Curious, > > Glenda > > > ==== NORTHERN-ENGLAND Mailing List ==== > ENG-DURHAM-YORKS-L@rootsweb.com > A mailing list for those whose ancestors moved between County Durham and > Yorkshire, discussion of the history and migration of the region as well as for people looking for ancestors in either County. > > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.215 / Virus Database: 101 - Release Date: 11/16/00

Well, well! I did Youth Club work for the Co-op Education Association and ran youth clubs single handed, without any qualifications I might add, in some hairy districts in Liverpool. Childwall Everton Lodge Lane (Toxteth - been burnt down in the riots). Pathfinders clubs, they were. We sang the Rainbow Song. Unite and raise the Rainbow Flag And where it is unfurled Plant it upon the firmest sod That covers all the world. I was actually accused of "teaching Communism to children"! Marged | You too. | | I was also a Youth leader in those heady days in the Birkenhead Co-op. > | of the region. | > | --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.215 / Virus Database: 101 - Release Date: 16/11/00

Hope you don't mind me posting this on List Penny, but it is interesting for the others, I think. I have spoken to two of your "Names" in the last two days, Spalding and Dilworth. Strangely, I am finding that some people have done research before, without the use of computers or CDs and maybe for this reason they are reluctant to get involved with the internet. Dave Spalding said he knows his name has German and Dutch links, and of course, our town/city of Spalding, in Lincolnshire, on the East Coast of England, will have had lots of immigrants from across the North Sea. He didn't offer to get in touch with you. Valda Dilworth said she knows that the name Dilworth comes from a town near Preston, which is a proper place and has little side shoots with names like Dilworth Bottoms etc. She didn't really seem interested in genealogy at all. I expect your already knew all this about the towns? Marged Always looking for: INGHAM, FISCHER, BENTLEY, HUGHES, PEACOCK, MOUNIER, LATINIER --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.215 / Virus Database: 101 - Release Date: 16/11/00

I have done, must have to contribute £20. Jim Sharpe ----- Original Message ----- From: Marged <marged@btinternet.com> To: <NORTHERN-ENGLAND-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, November 24, 2000 10:31 PM Subject: [NTH-ENG] Susstiffikit > So, Jim, why don't you check the .... the Plug In? > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: James SHARPE <sharpe@britishlibrary.net> > To: <NORTHERN-ENGLAND-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, November 24, 2000 9:39 PM > Subject: Re: [NTH-ENG] Cirtificate > > > | Bryan, the only thing unchecked now is the plug-in. > | Jim Sharpe > | ----- Original Message ----- > | From: Bryan Douglas-Matthews <bemat@groes6.freeserve.co.uk> > | To: <NORTHERN-ENGLAND-L@rootsweb.com> > | Sent: Friday, November 24, 2000 7:19 PM > | Subject: [NTH-ENG] Cirtificate > | > | > | > Hi Jim, > | > > | > I'm not sure what is happening to your set up but try: > | > > | > Double click AVG Box by Clock, > | > > | > Click on "E-Mail Scanner Tab", > | > > | > Check Certify incoming Mail, > | > Check Certify Outgoing Mail, > | > > | > This should give you the certificate. > | > > | > Lwc Dda, > | > >From Bryan, > | > The Wild Celt, > | > Dum Spiro - Spero. > | > ----- Original Message ----- > | > From: James SHARPE <sharpe@britishlibrary.net> > | > To: <NORTHERN-ENGLAND-L@rootsweb.com> > | > Sent: Friday, November 24, 2000 6:55 PM > | > Subject: Re: [NTH-ENG] Re: Kalamazoo > | > > | > > | > > I really don't know how my Sunday name crept in Angela. That silly old > | OE5 > | > > again > | > > Still can't get that virus free certificate on. > | > > Jim Sharpe > | > > ----- Original Message ----- > | > > From: Kostas & Angela Nicolaou <titina23@spidernet.com.cy> > | > > To: <NORTHERN-ENGLAND-L@rootsweb.com> > | > > Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2000 4:01 AM > | > > Subject: [NTH-ENG] Re: Kalamazoo > | > > > | > > > | > > > Jim, or is it James now ? noticed your addy is James or was it always > | > > > like that and I've just noticed. > | > > > I don't remember Kalamazoo wotsit, but I remember We're going to the > | > > > zoo, zoo, zoo, you can come too, too, too ! > | > > > > | > > > Best wishes > | > > > angela > | > > > > | > > > > | > > > ==== NORTHERN-ENGLAND Mailing List ==== > | > > > Browse the archives, > | > > > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/NORTHERN-ENGLAND-L/ > | > > > Search the list archives, > | > > > > | > > > | > > | http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=NORTHERN-ENGLAND > | > > > > | > > > > | > > > | > > > | > > ==== NORTHERN-ENGLAND Mailing List ==== > | > > To unsubscribe from the list in mail mode send a message to > | > > NORTHERN-ENGLAND-L-request@rootsweb.com > | > > that contains the word unsubscribe and nothing else. > | > > If you are in digest mode, then send the command instead to > | > > NORTHERN-ENGLAND-D-request@rootsweb.com > | > > > | > > > | > > | > > | > --- > | > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > | > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > | > Version: 6.0.209 / Virus Database: 99 - Release Date: 02/11/00 > | > > | > > | > ==== NORTHERN-ENGLAND Mailing List ==== > | > To unsubscribe from the list in mail mode send a message to > | > NORTHERN-ENGLAND-L-request@rootsweb.com > | > that contains the word unsubscribe and nothing else. > | > If you are in digest mode, then send the command instead to > | > NORTHERN-ENGLAND-D-request@rootsweb.com > | > > | > > | > | > | ==== NORTHERN-ENGLAND Mailing List ==== > | ENG-DURHAM-YORKS-L@rootsweb.com > | A mailing list for those whose ancestors moved between County Durham and > | Yorkshire, discussion of the history and migration of the region as well as > for people looking for ancestors in either County. > | > | > > > ==== NORTHERN-ENGLAND Mailing List ==== > Browse the archives, > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/NORTHERN-ENGLAND-L/ > Search the list archives, > http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=NORTHERN-ENGLAND > > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.215 / Virus Database: 101 - Release Date: 11/16/00

Just saying Hello, Karen. I see you are another BT Internet person = you will be able to join in the moaning from time to time! Marged | Hi all | | Just joined this list and thought I would post my surname interests, all in | and around the Sunderland area: | --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.215 / Virus Database: 101 - Release Date: 16/11/00

Marj how did you get that grave accent or is it acute. Jim Sharpe ----- Original Message ----- From: Marged <marged@btinternet.com> To: <NORTHERN-ENGLAND-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2000 12:04 PM Subject: Re: [NTH-ENG] STILL HERE > Well, the spellchecker may have passed it, but what does it mean in relation to > me? Is it a séance? > > Marged > > | > | Been having another sceance, have you, Marged? > | > | That doesn't look right but the spell checker passed it. > | > | Brian B > | Lancashire, UK. > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.211 / Virus Database: 100 - Release Date: 14/11/00 > > > > ==== NORTHERN-ENGLAND Mailing List ==== > Browse the archives, > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/NORTHERN-ENGLAND-L/ > Search the list archives, > http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=NORTHERN-ENGLAND > > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.215 / Virus Database: 101 - Release Date: 11/16/00

Well Marged, You are welcome to mine please come and fetch them because they make an unbelieveable mess when they get into a house. They can chew through cement and plaster etc........ Some diseases are most unpleasant. If they stay outside that fine I dont persecute them but when they persecute me thats a different matter. The point comes where enough is enough. I have a lady friend who tamed the one in her home and turned it into a pet. I have taken rats outside by hand in fact hanging on to a digit where they have bitten. I had rats and mice as a kid, slight difference we are trying to deal with here. However you avoided all the points eh? Very clever of you, just like the human animal? Especially to often so many of the female of the species. Regards, Mikey ----- Original Message ----- From: Marged <marged@btinternet.com> To: <NORTHERN-ENGLAND-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2000 4:11 PM Subject: [NTH-ENG] SPIKE MILLIGAN AND CATS > Well, it's funny you should ask me what I would do if I had rats, because as a > matter of fact, I like rats. > > One day I will tell you about the time we looked after the School rats for the > Christmas Holidays. > > > Marged > > Always looking for: > INGHAM, FISCHER, BENTLEY, > HUGHES, PEACOCK, MOUNIER, LATINIER > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.215 / Virus Database: 101 - Release Date: 16/11/00 > > > ==== NORTHERN-ENGLAND Mailing List ==== > An alternative mailing list for genealogy research in > Northern England, this list covers the whole of the North of England >

I don't know if I have said this before - hit the delete button if I have. I am a meat eater, but I would prefer to be a vegetarian. However, it is something that I find too difficult to do. So I try to make sure that the meat I eat is from a decent source. There are some meats that we are not supposed to eat (see Leviticus) and examination of the types mentioned there will show that these, like lions etc., are animals which eat meat themselves and have different digestive systems to things like cows and sheep. I think there is some confusion over pigs - and I am sorry I eat them, because yes, they are intelligent, and I think they would eat meat if it was given to them. Marged Always looking for: INGHAM, FISCHER, BENTLEY, HUGHES, PEACOCK, MOUNIER, LATINIER --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.215 / Virus Database: 101 - Release Date: 16/11/00

I always think Indiana sounds like paradise. Heard a song about it once. Jim Sharpe ----- Original Message ----- From: <RHALL451@aol.com> To: <NORTHERN-ENGLAND-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2000 12:20 PM Subject: Re: [NTH-ENG] REAL ENGLISH MUSTARD > Glenda, > Please don't take this wrong, as I'm just curious! When do you sleep? > It seems like you were online when I gave it up for the night & looks like > you may have talked through the night? I am enjoying it all, but do you > sleep? > What part of Indiana are you from? I have relatives & ancestors from > there. Mine are mostly from Miami Co., Tipton Co., & Wabash Co.. > > Becky > > > > > ==== NORTHERN-ENGLAND Mailing List ==== > This list also allows Trivia postings about the region as well as serious genealogy research postings. > > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.215 / Virus Database: 101 - Release Date: 11/16/00

We have both, Bryan (mustard and horseradish) I remember (here she goes again) when I was an office girl in Liverpool, in about 1953, and Marks and Spencer had restaurants, I used to buy something called a Viennese Roll for about one and sixpence (seven and a half pence in today's money, but quite a large percentage of my weekly wage). I would put lots of mustard on it, and eat it with the tears running down my face! Marged | --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.215 / Virus Database: 101 - Release Date: 16/11/00

Dave , The Tories have always divided the people and then got on with making themselves millionaires, sleazier and sleazier, I will NEVER forgive them for what they did to those mining communities and the lies McGregor and that mad bag lady told over how many pits they wanted to close. Cheers Danny ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Allen" <dave@cdcatalogues.co.uk> To: <NORTHERN-ENGLAND-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2000 12:50 AM Subject: Re: [NTH-ENG] That Mad Cow > Hi Marged, > > Now I never discuss politics ....... > > > Sorry - I never EVER thought Maggie was necessary. She is a jumped up, > arrogant > > upstart. > > Yes ..... > > But when Maggie first came to power ...... there was a need for somebody > strong to get things sorted, just as Winston C during the last war ( World > that is ). "Get the job done mate" as an old boss used to say. But they all > outlive their support at some point , maybe "the grass is greener" syndrome, > or here's my back please stab it? "Horses for courses" is what I say. > > Blair was elected - now we all complain - see what I mean ? Might as well > elect a brick wall and have firing squads use it for target practice ... My > personal beliefs don't come into it. Just elect somebody , then tear them to > pieces. I like Bill Clinton , maybe his wife wears the trousers ( probably > safer ) ......... She'll be up for president in four years, I reckon. I > liked John Major , would have preferred Douglas Hird ( clever guy - young > wife ). And I remember voting for Harold Wilson once ........ > > > Read an obit in the Independent today for Wedgie Benn's wife, who died > recently. > > There was a quotation from what he wrote at the time when he was lobbying > for > > Comprehensive Education. You should have read it. Brilliant and masterly. > > > > Wedgie Benn crystallises my thoughts. I hear him speak on the radio, and > > without knowing who it is I think "Yes, that's it. He's saying what I > think" > > (on such subjects as the Gulf War etc.) > > Tony Benn? Well yes I've heard him speak , seems sensible and persuasive, > but he comes from a long line of BSE sufferers! When your thought > crystallise - they'll no longer flow ........... > > If there's anybody out there that wants to be PM ........... stand over here > by the wall sunshine! Haig ? Too vague ..... > > > By the way, if I had my powers of recall, I'd be able to think up my > > grandmother's mother's Christian name. > > Popular choices - Ann , Hannah , Mary , Isabella , Eleanor , Elizabeth, > Catherine - 95% of all known relatives prefer these ! And their cats prefer > ........ > > > Comprehensive Education. You should have read it. Brilliant and masterly< > > My old headmaster retired when they made my Grammar School comprehensive > ........... not the principle , just the lack of choice, and change for > change sake ? After all there were 2 girls (only) schools in the area > ...... > > Dave > > Not in bed, but should be ! > > > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.215 / Virus Database: 101 - Release Date: 17-Nov-00 > > > ==== NORTHERN-ENGLAND Mailing List ==== > Visit the lists Pulse Page here, > http://212.19.69.91/north/ >

Well, I was quite surprised as I passed the poem on because I thought it was - not deep, but cute. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.215 / Virus Database: 101 - Release Date: 16/11/00

Dear Maggie, Not truly sent to particularly make you feel guilty. And I am sorry if I did. Just being realistic and to create thought and I accept yes that guilt has its part to play. Hopefully it makes us more sensitive, caring, considerate and thoughtful and give respect where its due. I try to put myself there. The World lives inside some of us and through it must come what must. AND WOW........ bet your mother-in-law loved that comment!! You have now got a Platinum Star in my books! I have just had Pork sausages. ce la vie. Its not the killing its the damned process now that they are put through before it happens. I recall the pigs coming into the slaughter house in Derby. I could hear them from my studio at the top of our offices. Drove me insane; the sheer terror building up and up. Inhumane. I was given the choice to put my first dog down by my Vet and took it............. My first sheepdog ever, he had Distemper and we had fought to save his life for weeks. I cried and cried & was then allowed to smoke in the surgery. When I walked out a nurse shouted at me telling me to put it out etc. I cant recall if I said anything, I think I just looked at her and went to my car. She alter appollogised. We have to accept the responsibilities of the choices we make in life about the lives we accept and have control over and give to us of their all. It is all too easy for most as they fob the decisions and acts off on others, sheer hypocracy. I dont say they dont feel or are not deeply hurt but that attitude is only partaking of life and its benefits at a distance; only half living, a mere ghost of a life as an animal of nature. It broke my heart the first time I shot a bird. I can recall it now so very clearly. It taught me a lot that little life when I held it in my hands. It was once common to call animals Dumb, from my experience that is far from true and often their intelligence far outshines that of so called human beings. They are natural; human animals arnt. I think it is an insult to animals to call a human being an Animal. Monster is more appropriate. And more so each day. Best wishes, Mikey. Now hail and thunder and lightening with this gale here. ----- Original Message ----- From: <MagsB1942@aol.com> To: <NORTHERN-ENGLAND-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2000 3:36 PM Subject: Re: [NTH-ENG] ANIMALS > Oh Mikey, you make me feel guilty about my chops and it is the first meat I > have eaten for about a month!!!! I think I am guilty, as are many others, of > not relating the chop with an animal....if I do I can't finish it. I know, > big softy, but I remember getting on the wrong side of my m-in-law by stating > that I couldn't see the difference between eating meat and eating my > dog...and I wouldn't want to eat my beloved pet. Now, I suppose I am going > to have to duck on this list as well :( > > I once went to the local slaughterhouse to pick up my meat for the > freezer......went vegetarian for quite a few years after that. > > Regards, > Maggie > > Surname interests: > BICKER, MILLER, SPRATT, MARSH mainly in Kent > MATTHEWS, GRANT, COAFFEE, BERESFORD, SWEENEY > in Middx, Bucks, USA and elsewhere > > > ==== NORTHERN-ENGLAND Mailing List ==== > Add a link to your website here, > http://pub23.bravenet.com/freelink/show.php?usernum=1926973379&cpv=1 >

I remember the Co-op Laundry vans used to backfire like Big Bertha ( who's Big Bertha?). Why don't vans do that today, great fun, all the residual horses used to rear up and even bolt if you were lucky. Jim Sharpe ----- Original Message ----- From: <MagsB1942@aol.com> To: <NORTHERN-ENGLAND-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2000 12:39 PM Subject: Re: [NTH-ENG] Re:CO-OP > Up until the 80s the local shop delivered. They also delivered the milk and > would pick the book up on a Tuesday and Friday and then deliver the same > afternoon, in a box, on my kitchen table so all I had to do what put it away. > Now that was services. The Coop van also used to go round once a week and > there was a shop in the next village. Some change from pushing a trolley > with a mind of its own, putting it on the checkout, taking off, packing into > bags and back into the trolley...out to the car ...whichever way the trolley > wants to go but usually sidewards, and then into the boot....drive home, > unpack into the kitchen and then into the cupboards....Life is certainly > harder now. > Maggie > > Surname interests: > BICKER, MILLER, SPRATT, MARSH mainly in Kent > MATTHEWS, GRANT, COAFFEE, BERESFORD, SWEENEY > in Middx, Bucks, USA and elsewhere > > > ==== NORTHERN-ENGLAND Mailing List ==== > Add a link to your website here, > http://pub23.bravenet.com/freelink/show.php?usernum=1926973379&cpv=1 > > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.215 / Virus Database: 101 - Release Date: 11/16/00

We had a successful Christmas Fair, and Don won a basket with a bottle of Irish Whiskey, bottle of Port, Bottle of red wine, and very large bottle of something fizzy which will suit me. Marged Always looking for: INGHAM, FISCHER, BENTLEY, HUGHES, PEACOCK, MOUNIER, LATINIER --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.215 / Virus Database: 101 - Release Date: 16/11/00

Thanks for the welcome! Karen ----- Original Message ----- From: Bryan Douglas-Matthews <bemat@groes6.freeserve.co.uk> To: <NORTHERN-ENGLAND-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2000 3:51 PM Subject: Re: [NTH-ENG] New subscriber - surname interests > Hi Karen, > > Genealogy is great. Here on this list we are living it, enjoy. > >From Bryan, > The Wild Celt, > Dum Spiro - Spero. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Karen <karvic@btinternet.com> > To: <NORTHERN-ENGLAND-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2000 3:38 PM > Subject: [NTH-ENG] New subscriber - surname interests > > > > Hi all > > > > Just joined this list and thought I would post my surname interests, all > in > > and around the Sunderland area: > > > > DOVE > > HILL > > MAWSON > > TOMLINSON > > > > Be glad to hear from anyone researching these names. > > > > Regards > > > > Karen > > North Yorkshire > > > > > > ==== NORTHERN-ENGLAND Mailing List ==== > > There is a map showing the areas and Counties which this list covers > highlighted in red here, > > http://www.genealogy45.fsnet.co.uk/ > > > > > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.215 / Virus Database: 101 - Release Date: 16/11/00 > > > ==== NORTHERN-ENGLAND Mailing List ==== > An alternative mailing list for genealogy research in > Northern England, this list covers the whole of the North of England > >