He rejected it to become Prime Minister because the Tories couldn't come up with a suitable candidate from the Commons, Which is subtly different. Jim Sharpe Manchester UK ----- Original Message ----- From: <MagsB1942@aol.com> To: <NORTHERN-ENGLAND-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2000 9:18 PM Subject: Re: [NTH-ENG] That Mad Cow > In a message dated 25/11/00 17:37:15 GMT Standard Time, > sharpe@britishlibrary.net writes: > > << Wedgie Benn the greatest Prime Minister we didn't get. > Politicians nowadays scrabble about for a peerage he rejected one (Lord > Stansgate) to do a politicians job. > As everywhere in the world honesty and integrity gets a politician nowhere. > >> > > Wasn't it Douglas Hume who also had a title and rejected it? > > Maggie > > Surname interests: > BICKER, MILLER, SPRATT, MARSH mainly in Kent > MATTHEWS, GRANT, COAFFEE, BERESFORD, SWEENEY > in Middx, Bucks, USA and elsewhere > > > ==== NORTHERN-ENGLAND Mailing List ==== > Visit the lists Pulse Page here, > http://212.19.69.91/north/ > > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.215 / Virus Database: 101 - Release Date: 11/16/00

Hi Glenda our fish and chip shops in the old days were always called supper bars. When you'd been to the theatre or cinema (pictures) you went and bought your supper there either in or out. One of the delights was walking home eating out of a newspaper parcel. Jim Sharpe Manchester UK ----- Original Message ----- From: Glenda R. Wilson <wrwgrw@earthlink.net> To: <NORTHERN-ENGLAND-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2000 10:24 PM Subject: Re: [NTH-ENG] Teatime > Subject: Re: [NTH-ENG] Teatime > Sent: 25/11/2000 2:59 PM > To: NTH NORTH-ENGLAND, NORTHERN-ENGLAND-L@rootsweb.com > > Dear Jim, > > And one of us foreigners :) is supposed to understand it :) . > I understand that Americans generally think that the noon meal > is lunch (12:00 pm is the usual time), the evening meal (5-7 pm) > is generally called dinner. Supper is a fancy meal such as on > Sunday in the evening about the same time. But many who prepare > a large, hot lunch will call it dinner, the evening meal, lunch, > and don't use the term supper (that I know of). Then, there are > those who say the midday meal is dinnner, the evening is supper. > It can become quite confusing if you don't know which the person > is referring to. The times are all basically the same. I believe > the upper classes will have their dinner/supper from 8 pm - 10 pm > though there is no strict rule. > > America is so much on the go that it seems no one has time to sit > down to eat, so they just grab something somewhere, or eat out all > the time. > > One of the Commoners :) > > Glenda > > >Depends what class you are. > >The middle and upper classes have tea and a light meal scones, cakes etc. > >because they have dinner at about 8pm. Tea time is 4.30- 5pm. > > The lower classes who do all the work have a substantial meal at tea time. > >Lunch is another thing altogether, we commoners call it dinner. > >It's all very confusing for foreigners. <BG> > > > >Jim Sharpe > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: Glenda R. Wilson <wrwgrw@earthlink.net> > >To: <NORTHERN-ENGLAND-L@rootsweb.com> > >Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2000 8:33 AM > >Subject: [NTH-ENG] Teatime > > > > > >> Dear Everyone, > >> > >> How many times a day, and at what time, does teatime take place > >> in the UK ? What does one usually have during teatime besides > >> the tea ? > >> > >> Curious, > >> > >> Glenda > > > ==== NORTHERN-ENGLAND Mailing List ==== > Add a link to your website here, > http://pub23.bravenet.com/freelink/show.php?usernum=1926973379&cpv=1 > > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.215 / Virus Database: 101 - Release Date: 11/16/00

Dear All, "Let it Snow x 3." Steyn/Cahn. Glen Millers Orchestra played it. Chappell & Morris Ltd, own copyright. Regards Mikey. I'm off to the Pub soon........

what d'yer mean Trish, warm, dry, windy and roll on summer. You deserve another expletive. We're cold, wet, miserable and it ain't even winter yet. Jim Sharpe Manchester UK ----- Original Message ----- From: Trish Michael <gmichael@acay.com.au> To: <NORTHERN-ENGLAND-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2000 8:49 PM Subject: [NTH-ENG] Scouse work > Hi Danny, Good one. I like that but then I'm not from Manchester!!!!! > > > Take care, > ttfn, > Trish, > ex Hull lass, > Central Coast of NSW, Oz where it's warm, dry, windy and roll on > summer!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > > ==== NORTHERN-ENGLAND Mailing List ==== > Visit the lists Pulse Page here, > http://212.19.69.91/north/ > > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.215 / Virus Database: 101 - Release Date: 11/16/00

Ho, Ho you @&%^*"£%$%&?@ Danny. Jim Sharpe Manchester UK ----- Original Message ----- From: Danny <djnw33815@cableinet.co.uk> To: <NORTHERN-ENGLAND-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2000 8:38 PM Subject: [NTH-ENG] scouse humour > Hi all, > found this on the web, Hope you like it. > > Heaven > Once upon a time in the Kingdom of Heaven, God went missing for six days. Eventually, the Archangel Gabriel found him, resting on the seventh day. He inquired of God, "Where have you been?" God sighed a deep sigh of satisfaction and proudly pointed downwards through the clouds, "Look Gabriel, look what I've made." Archangel Gabriel looked puzzled and said, "What is it?" "It's a planet," replied God, "and I've put Life on it. I'm going to call it Earth and it's going to be a great place of balance." "Balance?" inquired Gabriel, still confused. God explained, pointing to different parts of Earth, "For example, North America will be a place of great opportunity and wealth while South America is going to be poor. Over there I've placed a continent of white people and over there is a continent of black people.," God continued, pointing to different countries. "This one will be extremely hot and arid while this one will be very cold and covered in ice." The Archangel, impressed by! > God's work, then pointed to a small populated area in the land of Great Britain and said "What's that?" "Ah," said God. "That's Merseyside, the most glorious place on Earth. There's a beautiful river, glorious parks, and buildings, great music and world dominating football teams. The people from Liverpool are going to be modest, intelligent and humorous and they're going to be found traveling the worldas expatriats. They'll be extremely sociable, hard-working and high-achieving, and they will be known throughout the world as diplomats and carriers of peace." Gabriel gasped in wonder and admiration but then proclaimed, "What about balance, God? You said there will be balance!" God replied wisely, "Wait until you see the lazy, arrogant, b'stards I'm putting next to them in Manchester." > Tongue in cheek folks especilly jim > Danny > > > ==== NORTHERN-ENGLAND Mailing List ==== > ENG-DURHAM-YORKS-L@rootsweb.com > A mailing list for those whose ancestors moved between County Durham and > Yorkshire, discussion of the history and migration of the region as well as for people looking for ancestors in either County. > > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.215 / Virus Database: 101 - Release Date: 11/16/00

It was a big gun named after Bertha Krupp. Jim Sharpe Manchester UK ----- Original Message ----- From: <MagsB1942@aol.com> To: <NORTHERN-ENGLAND-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2000 9:15 PM Subject: Re: [NTH-ENG] Re:CO-OP > In a message dated 25/11/00 17:36:57 GMT Standard Time, > sharpe@britishlibrary.net writes: > > << I remember the Co-op Laundry vans used to backfire like Big Bertha who's > Big Bertha?). >> > > Wasn't it a gun on the Western Front...WW1? Or.....some large lady who had > been eating Jeruslam artichokes......lol > > Maggie > > Surname interests: > BICKER, MILLER, SPRATT, MARSH mainly in Kent > MATTHEWS, GRANT, COAFFEE, BERESFORD, SWEENEY > in Middx, Bucks, USA and elsewhere > > > ==== NORTHERN-ENGLAND Mailing List ==== > Don't forget you can also post your surnames or any other messages you may want to share in our on line forum message board, > http://amazingforums.com/forum/NORTH/forum.html > > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.215 / Virus Database: 101 - Release Date: 11/16/00

Dear Maggie & Jim, Well spotted Jim we were spelling as pronounced. But also fraid not Jim.......:-)) As the name is Home not as you spell it either, but pronounced Hume. Gorsh what a name eh. I got it wrong too thinking it spelt Hume So should be Sir Alexander Frederick Douglas Home This could become confusing ( or interesting) as the "Earldom of ,( Douglas Home) & etc., Peerage was disclaimed in 1963 "for life" to become PM. However was later cr Baron Home of The Hirsel, of Coldstream, co Berwick Life Baron) 1974. He therefore having disclaimed his hereditary title & was disclaimed for life was only Sir because of his Knighthood in 1962. So having done so he was no longer an Earl and could not recover it but became a Baron......... Howevr the main difference is Wedgie Benny gave his up, Anthony (Neil) Wedgwood Benn, 2nd Viscount Stansgate, because of belief ie disclaimed it for life having unsuccessfully attempted to renounce his right of succession 1955 & 1960 whereas Alex baby had to give it disclaim it for life to sit in the Commons as an MP and then as PM. In fact having been elected at some point he triewd to take his seat and was disbarred, He wanted you could say his cake and eat it, but finally succombed. Phew. lol. Dry and thirsty after that mouthful. Regards, Mikey. ----- Original Message ----- From: James SHARPE <sharpe@britishlibrary.net> To: Mikey. <painter@onetel.net.uk>; <NORTHERN-ENGLAND-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2000 11:53 AM Subject: Re: [NTH-ENG] HUME Title. > I thought Sir Alec Douglas Holme (pronounced Hulme) was his name, later Lord > Holme. > > Jim Sharpe Manchester UK > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Mikey. <painter@onetel.net.uk> > To: <NORTHERN-ENGLAND-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2000 7:01 AM > Subject: Re: [NTH-ENG] HUME Title. > > > > Hi Maggie, > > > > I dont think so. Wasnt he honoured and accepted, then becoming Sir Alec > > Douglas Hume. > > > > There is no earlier record of a family of either the Peerage or > Baronetage > > with the name Hume. > > > > There was a Catherine Hume entitled to a courtesy title in the 70's and > that > > (I assume ) was obtained not through marriage but being the daughter of; > > prior to marriage in her own right in Ancaster. > > > > Best wishes, > > Mikey > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: <MagsB1942@aol.com> > > To: <NORTHERN-ENGLAND-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2000 9:18 PM > > Subject: Re: [NTH-ENG] That Mad Cow > > > > > > > In a message dated 25/11/00 17:37:15 GMT Standard Time, > > > sharpe@britishlibrary.net writes: > > > > > > << Wedgie Benn the greatest Prime Minister we didn't get. > > > Politicians nowadays scrabble about for a peerage he rejected one (Lord > > > Stansgate) to do a politicians job. > > > As everywhere in the world honesty and integrity gets a politician > > nowhere. > > > >> > > > > > > Wasn't it Douglas Hume who also had a title and rejected it? > > > > > > Maggie > > > > > > Surname interests: > > > BICKER, MILLER, SPRATT, MARSH mainly in Kent > > > MATTHEWS, GRANT, COAFFEE, BERESFORD, SWEENEY > > > in Middx, Bucks, USA and elsewhere > > > > > > > > > ==== NORTHERN-ENGLAND Mailing List ==== > > > Visit the lists Pulse Page here, > > > http://212.19.69.91/north/ > > > > > > > > > ==== NORTHERN-ENGLAND Mailing List ==== > > Add a link to your website here, > > http://pub23.bravenet.com/freelink/show.php?usernum=1926973379&cpv=1 > > > > > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.215 / Virus Database: 101 - Release Date: 11/16/00 >

Sure Was Mikey. The film was "KING'S ROW" Listen to this cast list. Ann Sherridan, Robert Cummings, Ronald Reagan, Claude Raines, Betty Field, Charles Coburn, Maria Ouspenskaya And Judith Anderson. Anyone remember them? Jim Sharpe Manchester UK ----- Original Message ----- From: Mikey. <painter@onetel.net.uk> To: <NORTHERN-ENGLAND-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2000 12:18 AM Subject: Re: [NTH-ENG] Re: Maggie T > Were that the Pressie Reagan, Jim, Maggies mate?:-)) > > > > > > > That was a great film though where Reagan's girl friends doctor father > > amputated his legs to discourage him. > > How sick can you get? > > > > Jim Sharpe > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Kostas & Angela Nicolaou <titina23@spidernet.com.cy> > > To: <NORTHERN-ENGLAND-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2000 5:13 PM > > Subject: [NTH-ENG] Re: Maggie T > > > > > > > Well don't think much of someone who would be best mates with a B-rate > > > actor and a woman who consulted Astrology on behalf of the man with all > > > the power....... > > > > > > Angela > > > > > > > > > ==== NORTHERN-ENGLAND Mailing List ==== > > > ENG-DURHAM-YORKS-L@rootsweb.com > > > A mailing list for those whose ancestors moved between County Durham and > > > Yorkshire, discussion of the history and migration of the region as well > > as for people looking for ancestors in either County. > > > > > > > > > > > > --- > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > Version: 6.0.215 / Virus Database: 101 - Release Date: 11/16/00 > > > > > > ==== NORTHERN-ENGLAND Mailing List ==== > > Browse the archives, > > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/NORTHERN-ENGLAND-L/ > > Search the list archives, > > > http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=NORTHERN-ENGLAND > > > > > ==== NORTHERN-ENGLAND Mailing List ==== > There is a map showing the areas and Counties which this list covers highlighted in red here, > http://www.genealogy45.fsnet.co.uk/ > > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.215 / Virus Database: 101 - Release Date: 11/16/00

The "Big O" was my sister's heart-throb" A free Roy Orbison screen saver can be found here: http://www.adders.org/freeware/ under Screen Savers Keith ----- Original Message ----- From: "James SHARPE" <sharpe@britishlibrary.net> To: <NORTHERN-ENGLAND-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: 24 November 2000 16:17 Subject: Re: [NTH-ENG] Re: Long John Baldry | I used to think Roy Orbison was blind. | Jim Sharpe | ----- Original Message ----- | From: Dave Allen <dave@cdcatalogues.co.uk> | To: <NORTHERN-ENGLAND-L@rootsweb.com> | Sent: Friday, November 24, 2000 2:12 PM | Subject: Re: [NTH-ENG] Re: Long John Baldry | | | > > It wasn't until Dave reminded me of the songs of his that I remembered | > > what he actually sang. | > > | > | > I had the same problem Angela - I cheated and looked on the site I sent a | > url for ! | > Strange, as soon as I saw the title I could remember the song - so I'll | > admit to hearing it once ! | > | > -- snip --- | > > | > > 7.30 pm every night we were sent up to our room in the attic, where we | > > would stay locked in until the next morning. | > | > Perhaps she was frightened of torpedoing the guests ! | > | > -- snip -- | > | > > Then Uncle Arthur in his strong Northern accent bellowed...... | > > "WHO'S DONE TORPEDO IN POT ? " | > > | > > It want me it were er........honest :) | > > | > | > I bet you remember those words as if it was only yesterday ! | > | > > Best wishes | > > Angela | > > Cyprus | > > | > > | > | > I left somebody out - Roy Orbison ! | > | > Regards | > | > Dave | > | > | > --- | > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. | > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). | > Version: 6.0.215 / Virus Database: 101 - Release Date: 16-Nov-00 | > | > | > ==== NORTHERN-ENGLAND Mailing List ==== | > The aims of this list are to create a comradeship of Northerners and those | descendent from Northerners which can be beneficial to tracing the family | history of the region. | > | > | | ______________________________

Also staff measuring sugar into blue paper bags - 1lb, 2lb with unerring accuracy. Real flour bags, empties washed and used as dusters (and for draining home-made cheese). Well-off customers shopped by telephone (not abbreviated to 'phone or phone as now) for home delivery. I used to deliver meat on Saturday mornings, using the type of cycle now only seen in places like the Black Country museum! PJ Proby wasn't even a twinkle in anyone's eye then. Keith ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Bramhall" <brian_bramhall@LineOne.net> To: <NORTHERN-ENGLAND-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: 24 November 2000 08:32 Subject: Re: [NTH-ENG] Co-op | I remember as a child being taken to the Co-op and watching in amazement as | the cash container shot across the shop on a wire and returned with the | change a second or two later. I can still smell the mixture of coffee beans | and sawdust. I don't mean they were mixed! There was a wooden floor with | sawdust and white scrubbed counters. And a machine which ground the | coffee - a new thing to England then I think. The assistant used to give | me a slice of some meat, probably brawn or prem, to chew on to keep me quiet | whilst mam or gran got the divvi sorted out. | | Oh, aye lad, those were the days. | | Brian B | Lancashire, UK. | | brian_bramhall@lineone.net | http://website.lineone.net/~brian_bramhall/index.htm | | --- | Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. | Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). | | | ----- Original Message ----- | From: "Glenda R. Wilson" <wrwgrw@earthlink.net> | To: <NORTHERN-ENGLAND-L@rootsweb.com> | Sent: Friday, November 24, 2000 1:27 AM | Subject: Re: [NTH-ENG] Co-op | | | > Brian, | > | > They have something like the Co-op here in America. There is a fee | > for using these, such as $35.00 per year, but you still save money | > by shopping there. The one we belonged to was Sam's Club which is | > located in every state, I believe. | > | > Co-op was real a real big thing here some years ago. | > | > Glenda | > | > | > ==== NORTHERN-ENGLAND Mailing List ==== | > This list also allows Trivia postings about the region as well as serious | genealogy research postings. | > | > | | ______________________________

Maggie, How about James Gardner as Brett Maverick? Becky In a message dated 11/26/00 1:33:10 PM Eastern Standard Time, MagsB1942@aol.com writes: > > That's it James Arenas - oooooo. What about, that one about the gambler, > Maverick was it. Can see the fell but can't think of his name..will do the > minute I press Send...lol > > Maggie >

Angela you little treasure. Perry Como !!. I used to watch his Christmas Spectaculars and squirm at the schmaltz. The only time I enjoyed one of his performances was in "Words & Music" the story of Rodgers and Hart when he sang Mountain Greenery. Dorothy of course loved him. In the film June Allyson sang some song about mediaeval England, I can't remember the name of but I lurve that deep contralto voice. Jim Sharpe Manchester UK ----- Original Message ----- From: Kostas & Angela Nicolaou <titina23@spidernet.com.cy> To: <NORTHERN-ENGLAND-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2000 9:23 PM Subject: [NTH-ENG] Re: Let it snow > This is driving me crazy, and does definitely have a Bing ring to it or > Andy whatchamacallhim........ > > Da do da doo da doo dah, let it snow, let it snow, let it snow. > > Christmas song for sure. > Now is anyone going to put us out of our misery ? > > angela > cyprus > > > ==== NORTHERN-ENGLAND Mailing List ==== > Browse the archives, > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/NORTHERN-ENGLAND-L/ > Search the list archives, > http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=NORTHERN-ENGLAND > > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.215 / Virus Database: 101 - Release Date: 11/16/00

Dave, Yes, I was talking about Rawhide with Clint Eastwood. My Mom always liked him in that show--short-lived though it was. She later became less enamored of him when he did the Dirty Harry shows. By the way, Ward Bond in wagon train as the wagon master I can recall, but what was the name of the guy who drove the chuck wagon. I am talking of his acting name. I believe he played Wishbone. Robert Fuller played the scout, I think. The characters for Gunsmoke you were referring to were played by James Arness & Dennis Weaver. James Arness had an acting brother on a show called "Mission Impossible." I believe his name was Peter Graves. But, what was the name of the character he played? Anyone know? Becky > > Trust you're referring to the "Rawhide" that had a young Clint Eastwood in > it ( in black and white ) ? > > And Gunsmoke - James ( Jesse ? ) Arness , and Chester "gammy leg ... > Marshall Dillon ..... " played by ( brain cell error W... ) who also > starred in "McCloud". > > Waggon Train - Ward Bond + a host of others > > > How about Rawhide? A short-lived show, but good. Came on shortly after my > > parents got television. Or, Marshall Dillon in Gunsmoke (both the TV & > radio > > versions)? > > We had a lot of radio before the television was installed. > > > > Becky > >

I'll bet all those bloated bellies are reclining on the various settees and accompanied by the occassional snore or whatever. And don't blame the dog! Even on that little island. No thought for us who have to make do with a cheese sarnie [sandwich, for the foreigners amongst us or butty for the scousers]. No consideration with all this talk about horseradish ..... could I have that with a cheese sarnie, I wonder? COME ON WAKE UP! I stayed home today just for you. (and my liver). Just think of Maggie in her parachute. That'll cure your wind. Don't tell me Glenda has gone to sleep, at last. Little Miss Ratchetjaw :-)) <ONLY GRINNING G> Brian B Lancashire, UK. brian_bramhall@lineone.net http://website.lineone.net/~brian_bramhall/index.htm --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free - checked by AVG anti-virus system . Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.215 / Virus Database: 101 - Release Date: 16/11/2000

In a message dated 26/11/00 18:29:56 GMT Standard Time, dave@cdcatalogues.co.uk writes: << Waggon Train - Ward Bond + a host of others >> Flint McCullogh....had him stuck on my desk at school. Now what was his real name.....dreams..... Maggie Essex, UK Surname interests: BICKER, MILLER, SPRATT, MARSH mainly in Kent MATTHEWS, COAFFEE, SWEENEY, GRANT, BERESFORD, RICHARDS in Middx, Bucks, USA and elsewhere

ROFL, I realised that Brian, I can't fit into them now.....lol Maggie Essex, UK Surname interests: BICKER, MILLER, SPRATT, MARSH mainly in Kent MATTHEWS, COAFFEE, SWEENEY, GRANT, BERESFORD, RICHARDS in Middx, Bucks, USA and elsewhere

That's it James Arness - oooooo. What about, that one about the gambler, Maverick was it. Can see the fella but can't think of his name..will do the minute I press Send...lol Maggie Essex, UK Surname interests: BICKER, MILLER, SPRATT, MARSH mainly in Kent MATTHEWS, COAFFEE, SWEENEY, GRANT, BERESFORD, RICHARDS in Middx, Bucks, USA and elsewhere

Good one Danny, My Mums from Middleton :) best wishes angela Cyprus

Danny, Keep reading, we had a Norwegian visitor Paal who confirmed the origin of scouse, and yes map was great I've saved it until I can work out how to shrink it :) Best wishes angela Cyprus

This is driving me crazy, and does definitely have a Bing ring to it or Andy whatchamacallhim........ Da do da doo da doo dah, let it snow, let it snow, let it snow. Christmas song for sure. Now is anyone going to put us out of our misery ? angela cyprus