Bryan, we marry for love of that person so why does racism become an issue , we are all of this world , and I believe all equall no matter what these arrogant / ignorant people have tried to impregnate us with , we live on the same planet so why can't we all look after each other , financially or otherwise, ie, why are we so rich when there are people dying of starvation because their leaders are crooked. sorry to be this way but this world (or its leaders sucks) Danny ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bryan Douglas-Matthews" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2001 7:12 PM Subject: Re: [NTH-ENG] Fw: [CHS] Iintro > Hope no offence was transmitted for that was not intended. > From Bryan, > The Wild Celt, > Dum Spiro - Spero. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Marged <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2001 7:07 PM > Subject: Re: [NTH-ENG] Fw: [CHS] Iintro > > > > Well, I am not Jewish, so I bow to your wife's position of first hand > knowledge, > > Bryan. > > > > Marged > > > > > > | > > | I honestly hate to say this but, in this statement that you cannot be > Jewish > > | unless the mother is a Jew, you are not right. I am married to a Jewess, > and > > | I have it from the horses mouth so to speak, no!! I am not saying she > > | nags(grin) > > | >From Bryan, > > | The Wild Celt, > > | Dum Spiro - Spero. > > | ----- Original Message ----- > > | From: Marged <[email protected]> > > | To: <[email protected]> > > | Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2001 6:29 PM > > | Subject: Re: [NTH-ENG] Fw: [CHS] Iintro > > | > > | > > | > And yet, if you look at the beginning of St Matthew's Gospel, you will > see > > | > Jesus's line traced back to Jesse through his mother's line. And Jews > are > > | not > > | > allowed to BE Jews unless the MOTHER is a Jew! > > | > > > | > Marj > > | > > > | > > > | > > > | > > > | > | I never noticed that, Mikey! In fact all the female line in ancient > > | times is > > | > | left out. Its stuff like this that made me a feminist. :-)) > > | > | > > | > | The lady in question is now hurling abuse at the Cheshire listers. > She > > | feel > > | > | their caveats are mere jealousy because they lack such a > distinguished > > | > | genealogy. Her last words are "to H* with them". She says Rootsweb > lists > > | are > > | > | never worth it.as they all react with the same sort of jealousy, > etc.! > > | > | > > | > | > > | > | ----- Original Message ----- > > | > | From: "Mikey" <[email protected]> > > | > | To: <[email protected]> > > | > | Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2001 11:05 AM > > | > | Subject: Re: [NTH-ENG] Fw: [CHS] Iintro > > | > | > > | > | > > | > | > Dear Jean et al, > > | > | > > > | > | > Eve was left out; I wonder why!:-)) > > | > | > "refs available"!; on & in which Planet & Universe.......... > > | > | > > > | > | > Coppock's Reward Notice seen on the Ark. > > | > | > > > | > | > caveat emtor, > > | > | > > > | > | > Elvis Presley & Gromit. > > | > | > > > | > | > > > | > | > > > | > | > > | > Hi! > > | > | > > | > My name's Annie, and I'm researching mostly COPPOCKS, > ancestors > > | of > > | > | > Aaron > > | > | > > | in Mobberley & the area around Wilmslow ... but I'm also > trying to > > | > | > structure > > | > | > > | the rest of the COPPOCK lines in NE Cheshire, including > COPPOCK > > | > | > variations & > > | > | > > | collateral lines like COATE COULSON COX SHORT LOWE ORRELL > BRADBURY > > | > | > WILSON > > | > | > > | WILKINSON LEIGH GOULDEN LEICHESTER...& also DIGBY TOMLINSON > SUTTON > > | de > > | > | > BURGH > > | > | > > | MALLORY , Any information of course will be greatly > appreciated. > > | > | > > | > > > | > | > > | > Generation 148 : Annie Marie* COPPOCK-KRANSDORF, Jean Marie* > > | > | COPPOCK, > > | > | > Paul > > | > | > > | Wilke* COPPOCK, Horace* COPPOCK, David Miles* COPPOCK, > Benjamin > > | > | COPPOCK, > > | > | > > | Benjamin Sr* COPPOCK, Joseph COPPOCK, Margaret COULSON, Joseph > > | > | COULSTON, > > | > | > > | Anne BORROW, Humphrey BORROWE, Humphrey BORROW, William > BORROW, > > | Robert > > | > | > > | BORROW, William BORROW, John BORROW, William BORROW, Robert > Borrow > > | Or > > | > | > BURGH, > > | > | > > | Robert (Burgh) STOCKTON, Robert DE STOCKTON, William DE > STOCKTON, > > | Mary > > | > | > > | DIGBY, John DE DIGBY, Sir John DE DIGBY, Arabell DE HARCOURT, > Sir > > | > | > William DE > > | > | > > | HARCOURT, Orabella DE QUINCY, Margaret DE BEAUMONT, Sir > Robert, > > | 3Rd > > | > | Earl > > | > | > Of > > | > | > > | Leicester DE BEAUMONT, Sir Robert, 2Nd Earl Of Leicester DE > > | BEAUMONT, > > | > | > > | Elizabeth (Isabel) DE VERMANDOIS, Hugh MAGNUS, Henry I KING OF > > | FRANCE, > > | > | > > | Robert II KING OF FRANCE, Hugh Capet KING OF FRANCE, Hedwif OF > > | SAXONY, > > | > | > Henry > > | > | > > | I, The Fowler, EMPEROR OF GERMANY, Otto, The Illustrious, DUKE > OF > > | > | > SAXONY, > > | > | > > | Hatwige D.Of EBERHARD, Gisele D.Of LOUIS I, Louis I KING OF > > | FRANCE, > > | > | > GERMANY > > | > | > > | & ITALY, Hildegarde OF SWABI! > > | > | > > | > A, Imma OF ALEMANIA, Nebi DUKE OF ALEMANIA, Houching DUKE OF > > | > | ALEMANIA, > > | > | > D. > > | > | > > | Of Theodon II DUKE OF BAVARIA, Theodon II DUKE OF BAVARIA, > Fara > > | DUKE > > | > | OF > > | > | > > | BAVARIA, CLODOSINDIS, Sigebert I KING OF AUSTRASIA, Clothaire > I > > | KING > > | > | OF > > | > | > > | FRANKS, Clovis I KING OF FRANKS, Childeric I KING OF FRANKS, > > | MEROVEE, > > | > | > > | Clodius V "The Long Haired" KING OF FRANKS, PHARAMOND, > Marcomir > > | DUKE > > | > | OF > > | > | > > | FRANKS, Clodius DUKE OF EAST FRANKS, Dagobert DUKE OF FRANKS, > > | Genebald > > | > | > DUKE > > | > | > > | OF FRANKS, Dagobert DUKE OF FRANKS, Walter KING OF FRANKS, > Clodius > > | III > > | > | > KING > > | > | > > | OF FRANKS, Batherus KING OF FRANKS, Hilderic KING OF FRANKS, > Sunno > > | > | > (Huano) > > | > | > > | KING OF FRANKS, Farabert KING OF FRANKS, Clodmir IV KING OF > > | FRANKS, > > | > | > Marcomer > > | > | > > | IV KING OF FRANKS, Odomir KING OF FRANKS, Richemer KING OF > FRANKS, > > | > | > Ratherius > > | > | > > | KING OF FRANKS, Antenor IV KING OF FRANKS, Clodomir III KING > OF > > | > | FRANKS, > > | > | > > | Marcomer III, CLODIUS II, FRANCUS, ANTHARIUS, CASSANDER, > > | MEROVACHUS, > > | > | > > | CLODOMIR II, ANTENOR III, CLODIUS I, MARCOMER II, NICANOR, > > | CLODOMIR I, > > | > | > > | Bassanus MAGNUS, DIOCLES, HELENUS I,! > > | > | > > | > PRIAMUS, ANTENOR, MARCOMIR I, Antenor II KING OF > CIMMERIANS, > > | > | Helenus > > | > | > IV > > | > | > > | KING OF CIMMERIANS, Priam IV KING OF CIMMERIANS, Marcomir KING > OF > > | > | > > | CIMMERIANS, Dilulius II KING OF CIMMERIANS, Plaserius III KING > OF > > | > | > > | CIMMERIANS, Helenus III KING OF CIMMERIANS, Dilulius I KING OF > > | > | > CIMMERIANS, > > | > | > > | Almadius KING OF CIMMERIANS, Gentilanor KING OF CIMMERIANS, > Priam > > | III > > | > | > KING > > | > | > > | OF CIMMERIANS, Alexandre KING OF TROY, Basebelian II KING OF > TROY, > > | > | > Plesron > > | > | > > | II KING OF TROY, Helenus II KING OF TROY, Priam II KING OF > TROY, > > | > | Antenor > > | > | > I > > | > | > > | KING OF TROY, Plaserius II KING OF TROY, Zaberian KING OF > TROY, > > | > | Eliacor > > | > | > KING > > | > | > > | OF TROY, Plesron I KING OF TROY, Plaserius I KING OF TROY, > > | Basabelian > > | > | I > > | > | > KING > > | > | > > | OF TROY, Zelius KING OF TROY, Esdron KING OF TROY, Francus > KING OF > > | > | TROY, > > | > | > > | Zenter KING OF TROY, Helenus KING OF EPIRUS, Priam KING OF > TROY, > > | > | > Laomedon > > | > | > > | KING OF TROY, Illus KING OF TROY, Tros KING OF TROY, > Erichthonius > > | KING > > | > | > OF > > | > | > > | DARDANIA, Darda KING OF DARDANIA, ZERAH, Judah KING OF GOSHEN, > > | Jacob > > | > | > KING OF > > | > | > > | GOSHEN, ISAAC, ABRAHAM, TERAH, N! 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Hi Brian, This does indeed seem to be from a "disturbed" person but I am at the moment reading a book called "the Royals" by kitty keller " banned in this country by people who hold the same kind of arrogance / attitudes , take no notice of them, they are on their way out, blue blood may have meant something when people were illiterate but it does'nt mean squish now. WE THE PEOPLE BY THE PEOPLE FOR THE PEOPLE is what I believe in Danny ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian B" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2001 6:42 PM Subject: [NTH-ENG] COPY OF INSULTING MAIL > This was received from, either a lunatic or a very disturbed person we tried > to help: > > " > What is this obsession with rootsweb listers, about condescending and > pretending people are begging you for "help" when they obviously neither > need nor ask it? does it make you feel on top of the situation, to look down > on anyone that passes you by?... I came to the list for some friendly mail, > to help who I can, who wants it...or make exchanges of information on > subjects of mutual interest, pickiing up I hope news on my lines of > research, not my entire pedigree, but the lines I mentioned: > > a reliable list for advice? these attacks are your idea of advice from a > reliable list? Ray's attacks are your idea of setting something straight.. > he himself admits that he at least is not ignorant of a number of > precedents; that he choose to discount the credibility of some of the > sources is his business... > > anyone who had treed any further than the end of their nose, knows that not > all sources are of the same sort & people are free to accept or not many of > them... the Bible seems good enough to swear on in a court of law; it's > historical affirmations have been born out countless times by archeological > researchers... and in fact, you can accept it or not, but you have no right > whatsoever, no matter who you are, to attack or accuse of fraud, anyone for > using it, or another source... > > While I can certainly in no case be accused of fraud for having gotten there > before you did, it is in fact a crime passable in court of law, to defame > publicly with unfounded accusations of fraud, anyone you feel an itch to > dump on... who knows why... If you don't buy the line, don't use it! It's > not your line anyway, mind your own veracity... > > As I have pointed out to another friend, the last fellow who dumped on me > like that (because I stumbled on a royals line before he had any, so he said > it was bad genealogy to have royals line) immediately ran out and built > himself so many royals lines (they're real; I told him where to look for > some of them) he had to stop giving blood because it was turning blue... > He'll probably act the same about the Adam line (like these folks) just > because I got there first... (upstaged by a woman! Arrggghhh!) but will > doubtless have 20 Adam lines within 6 months, as I suppose Ray will, now > that he thinks about it... > > That he knows the historical basis of the lines cited is far from > negligeable, yet attacks me publicly rather than apologizing publicly, is > hardly to his credit, but one musn't expect too much from mere men... & > probably mostly means that like most elitists (GOONS generally are) he > doesn't want too many people to get the idea of looking for such lines, > because then his will be less unique... which of course is true... it's easy > for me to be generous, because I was the first kid on my block to have > one... after which, the only pleasure left to wring out of it, is to share > it.... > > unless one has the unfortunate idea of sharing it with a bunch of nasty > boors & sour grapes... but then, I know there are a lot of other folks out > there who're interested and amused by the idea, and not such ignorant boors > as to try to make up for not having thought of it first, by attacking it as > fraudulent, all in knowing quite well (if he's as knowledgeable as he should > be in his position, he should recognise all the main lines; they're well > enough known amongst initiates...) that it's far from fraudulent, but a > brilliant piece of work, if I do sayso myself, since you're too mean to do > so. > > Now, let's just forget about it. It's not what I'm researching on; Just > Coppocks will do...or the other maternal lines, like Coate, Coulson, Cox ... > etc > " > > Make up your own minds. > > > Brian B > Lancashire, UK. > > [email protected] > http://www.gortonian.com > > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free - checked by AVG anti-virus system . > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.225 / Virus Database: 107 - Release Date: 22/12/2000 > > > ==== NORTHERN-ENGLAND Mailing List ==== > An alternative mailing list for genealogy research in > Northern England, this list covers the whole of the North of England >

Bore Da y chwi Glenda annwyl ffrind, What you doing up at this hour, it's only 5:00AM there, hummm, early bird hey, looking for worms, hang about, I wriggling away now.(Grin) >From Bryan, The Wild Celt, Dum Spiro - Spero. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.225 / Virus Database: 107 - Release Date: 22/12/00

Hi Angela, Hope you remain "On-line" and get through all your e-mail. A happy new year to you both. From Bryan, The Wild Celt, Dum Spiro - Spero. ----- Original Message ----- From: Kostas & Angela Nicolaou <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2001 9:38 AM Subject: [NTH-ENG] Re: Seddons everywhere > Hope you don't mind Dan, but I've forwarded your last message to Brian > Seddon. > you never know, there may be a connection. > > Best wishes > angela > cyprus > > > ==== NORTHERN-ENGLAND Mailing List ==== > Don't forget you can also post your surnames or any other messages you may want to share in our on line forum message board, > http://amazingforums.com/forum/NORTH/forum.html > > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.225 / Virus Database: 107 - Release Date: 22/12/00

Another part of the correspondence. Jean in NS ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roy Stockdill" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2001 5:25 AM Subject: [CHS] Bogus pedigrees Bonney has performed a very commendable service in posting this article warning of the gross inventions of Mr. Gustave Anjou (even his own name sounds like an invention!). I agree with Julie Vandersluys that it deserves the widest possible circulation. Just think how many of these bogus pedigrees there must be floating around and being totally believed by the gullible. Having looked at the long list of surnames covered, I suspect the works of the late Mr. Anjou are probably the source for many of those instant family histories that are being peddled by genealogical "bucket shops" in shopping malls. I might further warn that many newcomers will find in older editions of the supposedly reputable "Burke's Peerage and the Landed Gentry" similar dodgy pedigrees which were in wide circulation in the 19th century and the early 20th, and accept them without question. Danger, danger, danger.....! Please remember one of the most fundamental rules of genealogy, folks - just because something appears in print in a large and expensive glossy volume, it doesn't necessarily mean it's true!!! There were many Victorian magnates, newly rich self-made men, who paid out large sums of money to genealogists to find them a nice family tree and coat of arms they could hang on the dining room wall and boast to friends and business acquaintances about. Inevitably, they got what they paid for. You cannot even rely on the Heralds' Visitations of the 16th and 17th centuries, since the pedigrees were supplied by the subjects themselves and any checking was only cursory. There is only one worthy rule for genealogical research - never believe anything until you have checked and confirmed it yourself, preferably with more than one proof from primary sources. Roy Stockdill, Editor, The Journal of One-Name Studies The Stockdill Family History Society Web page:- http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/roystock Web page of the Guild of One-Name Studies:- http://www.one-name.org "Never ask a man if he comes from Yorkshire. If he does he will tell you. If he does not, why humiliate him?" - Canon Sydney Smith (scholar and humorist 1771-1845) CHESHIRE interests - PLEVIN and WILLIAMS at Nantwich/Acton-by-Nantwich, pre 1814 ==== CHESHIRE Mailing List ==== Index to Cheshire Wills: http://www.fhsc.org.uk/wills

I am forwarding some of the correspondence on the Cheshire list re bogus pedigrees. There is an article about Gustave Anjou in the latest issue of Family Chronicle. Jean in NS ----- Original Message ----- From: "BONNEY" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2001 6:36 PM Subject: [CHS] Bogus Pegigrees > Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 17:08:40 +0100 > From: "Annie Natalelli-Waloszek" <[email protected]> > My name's Annie, and I'm researching mostly COPPOCKS, ancestors of Aaron in > Mobberley & the area around Wilmslow ... but I'm also >>> > KING OF FRANKS, Marcomer III, CLODIUS II, FRANCUS, ANTHARIUS, CASSANDER, > MEROVACHUS, CLODOMIR II, ANTENOR III, CLODIUS I, MARCOMER II, NICANOR, > CLODOMIR I, Bassanus MAGNUS, DIOCLES, ZERAH, Judah KING OF GOSHEN, Jacob > KING OF GOSHEN, ISAAC, ABRAHAM, TERAH, N! > AHOR, SERUG, REU, PELEG, EBER, SHELAH, CAINAN, ARPHAXAD, SHEM, NOAH, > BETENOS, BARAKIEL, ENOSH, SETH, ADAM) (refs available, but it's 589 pages > long) > ---- > Poor Annie! Another one duped by those bogus pedigrees! For those new to > family history research, the following should be taken as warning against > accepting as fact what is floating about on the net & in the books compiled > for large sums of money by writers who saw the 'wannabes' as a quick & easy > source of income. > > FRAUDULENT LINEAGES > > The following information was compiled by Mr. Robert Charles Anderson, CG, > FASG of 2 Fenway, Derry, NH 03038, and published in Volume 19, Numbers 1 & > 2, 1991 of the Genealogical Journal of the Utah Genealogical Association, > PO Box 1144, Salt Lake, Utah 84110. The title of the article is; We Wuz > Robbed! > > Mr. Anderson is the Director of the Great Migration Study Project sponsored > by the New England Historic Genealogical Society. He is a Certified > Genealogist, a fellow of the American Society of Genealogists, a fellow of > the Utah Genealogical Association, and has published numerous articles in > The New England Historical and Genealogical Register, The American > Genealogist, the National Genealogical Society Quarterly, and The > Genealogist, as well as the Genealogical Journal. > > Professional genealogists and serious researchers alike, have been aware of > the forgeries and frauds committed by GUSTAVE ANJOU (1863-1942) and we of > this Society believe this material should be brought to the attention of > all who may come in contact with any the publications listed below. > > The sad fact is that Gustave Anjou was not a genealogist, but a forger of > genealogical records that have been passed on for years to unwary clients > and then through researchers who believed, or wanted to believe, they had a > true lineage. They in turn republished the material in their own works and > the cycle continues even today. > > Gustave Anjou produced these "genealogies" for wealthy clients at a price > of around $9,000 and the client. needless to say, always received what they > wanted. > > In the words of Mr. Anderson; > > " A typical Anjou pedigree displays four recognizable features: > > 1. A dazzling range of connections between dozens of immigrants to New > England; for example, connections far beyond what may be seen in > pedigrees > produced by anyone else: > > 2 Many wild geographical leaps, outside the normal range of migration > patterns; > > 3. An overwhelming number of citations to documents that actually exist,and > actually include what Anjou says they include; and > > 4. Here and there an invented document, without citation, which appears to > support the many connections noted under item I above". > > The above mentioned publication is one that belongs in your genealogy > library. I urge you all to read the detailed account of this article and > the five other genealogy fraud articles that appear with it. Included is > another detailed article about Gustave Anjou's life and forgery methods, > entitled Gustave, We Hardly Knew Ye: by Gordon L. Remington, editor of the > Genealogical Journal. > > Please do not contact the Society in regards to copies of these articles. > We will honor existing copyright laws owned by the publisher and do not > distribute copies of their work. > > We owe a debt of gratitude to Mr. Anderson for bringing these facts to our > attention and also to the Genealogical Journal for their courage by > publishing the material. > > The article further states; > > "The following 109 "genealogies" are found at the Family History Library in > Salt Lake City, Utah. All but those marked with an asterisk are cataloged > under Gustave Anjou, H. Anjou, or M. Anjou in the Author-Title Catalog. > > Only three of the "genealogies" were actually printed, the works on the > FREEMAN, BLAISDELL,and SHAPLEIGH families -and only the FREEMAN was > actually published by Anjou- the other two were later publishings of his > original typescript. > > Anjou's genealogy on the TONE family was later incorporated into Dr. Frank > Jerome Tone's History of the Tone Family (Niagara Falls, NY: the author, > 1944) FHL 929.173 T612t, which is not included in this list. The unprinted > genealogies were all bound typescripts or carbons of the original, and even > the unsigned ones are recognizable as being Anjou's creations - invariably > beginning with a history of the surname. Since four of Anjou's works were > found by looking at films that contained catalogues references, there may > be others lurking somewhere in the collection." > > In continuation; > > "Six of the catalog entries under Anjou's name, however, are to what appear > to be extracts of documents or original source material not organized or > typed us as formal "genealogies." These entries are marked with a !. > Whether or not they can be really be attributed to Anjou is not known. > Excluding them leaves 103 compiled "genealogies" by Anjou in the Family > History > Library. In 1927 Anjou published a catalogue of 192 "genealogies", leaving > 89 "genealogies" > unaccounted for by this list." > > The numbers given after the title are the call numbers at the Family > History Library. > > The ANDREWS Family 929.273 A1 #688 > The BACKUS Family 929.273 B128a > The BACON Family FHL #908083 item 7 > BEACH Family FHL #908083 item 9 > The BELL Family FHL #908833 item 4 > BLAISDELL Family Manuscript 929.242 Al no. 25 > Histore de la famille BLOEDEL 929.273 B6214a > The BRAMAN Family 929.273 B7311a > BROOKING (Broquin) Family 929.273 B79132a > The BUCKNER Family 929.273 B857a > > CALDWELL Family 929.273 C 127an > History of the CARR Family of Scotland, England and the United States Part: > Scotland and the United States 929.273 C23a, > CARROLL Family FHL #908510 item 11 > CARUTHERS Family 929.273 C2372a > CARTER Families FHL #897418 item 22 > The CHALFONT Family 929.273 C35a > CHAPLIN Family FHL #908086 item 9 > The CHILD Family 929.273 C436a > CHURCH Family 929.273 A1 no. 544 > The CHURCH Family from 1202 FHL #389396 > > CHURCH, the English Ancestry of Richard Church of Hartford FHL #000 182 item > 1 > CLEMENT Family 929.273 C59171a > The CLISE Family 929.273 C619 > COCHRAN Family 929.273 C643a > COOK Families FHL #90813 6 item 5 > History of the COPLEY Family of England with Ancestry of Thomas Copley, > Shelbrook, Yorkshire, Northampton, MA 929.273 C791an > History of the COPLEY Family of England with Ancestry of Thomas Copley, > Shelbrook, Yorkshire, Northampton, MA Revised Edition 929.273 C791 a > CORBIE Family 929.273 C8 1 a > CORLIEZ Family 929.273 C81342a > CORRY Family FHL #1651933 item 12 > > CRAWFORD Family 929.273 C856a > CUNNINGHAM Family 929.241 C917a > The DANIEL Family 929.273 D22 1a > De RONDE Family 929.273 R667a > DEVECMAN Family 929.273 A1 no. 542 > DICKEY Family FHL #924400 item 4 > The DORNAN History 929.273 D7345 1 a > DOTY Family 929.273 A1 no. 543 > DU PONT Family FHL #908504 item 1 > DUNCAN Family 929.273 D912a > > ERICKSON Family 929.273 A1 no. 551 > FICKEN Family 929.273 F446a > The FISH (FISK) Family FHL #908219 > FLANDERS Family 929.273 F613a > Early History of the FREEMAN Family; of Surrey, England, and New Jersey, > Michigan, North Carolina, and California in the United States FHL #1033558 > item 9 > GALWAY Family (GALLAWAY, GALLOWAY) FHL #908219 item 9 > GILL Family FHL #908504 item 10 > The HOLLIDAY, HALLIDAY Family 929.273 Al no. 545 > The HULBERT Family, 1305- {I 8841; with the Ancestry of Walter HULBORD, > Thomas HULBERT, William HURLBERT, and their Connections with Early > Immigrants to the New World: Connections with Samuel BENNETT in James 1635 > to Lynn,MA., > the HYDE, HURD, PARTRIDGE, HARDY and Other Families/Henry Carlton > HURLBERT, Descandant of Thomas HULBERT of Saybrook, CT and Wethersfield > 929.273 A1 no. 540 > The HULL History: Containing the Ancestry of Richard HULL of Dorchester, > 1634 929.273 H877a > > HUNGERFORD Family 929.273 A1 no. 548 > The Jack Family (JACQUES, JAMES) 929.273 J12a > The JOHNSON Family 929.273 J63an > The JOHNSON Family 929.273 J63ab > JONES Genealogy, A Welsh Family 929.273 J71a > KENNETT Family 929.273 K393a > KLAUS (Claus) Family 929.273 K668a > LANE Family Extracts from Suffolk Probate Record FHL #908071 item 7 > LEE Family 929.273 Al no. 549 > The LENMAN Family (LEMAN, LANHAM, LENHAM) 929.273 L547a > > The Lewis History; Containing Also the History of Various American > Families FHL #908006 item 1 > The LILLY Family: LILLIE, LILLE, LILLI, and LILLY: > A Complete History of the Lillie, Lille, Lilli and Lilly Families from > Sweden to France to America, 1291-1898 929.273 L628an > LINCOLN Family 929.273 no. 550 > MARK Family 929.273 M34a > The MARSHALL Family 929.273 M355a > The McVICKAR History FHL #908006 item 4 > MONS (MANTZ) Family 929.273 M758a MOORE Family 929.273 M78 1 a > The NICHOLSON Family 929.273 N52a > ORD Family 929.273 Or2a > > ORMOND Family 929.273 Or45a > PARSON Family Records 929.273 P25 I a > The PULLMAN Family 929.273 P967a > REDBURN Family 929.273 R246a > History of the RICHARDSON Family Q929.273 Al no. 24 > ROBINSON Family 929.273 Al no. 556 > ROBINSON Family: Genealogical History of the Robinson Family from John > Robyson of England in 1374, to Henry and Richard Robinson of Maryland in > 1650, to John Robinson of Delaware in 1698, to John M. Robinson, 1878 > 929.273 Al no. 556 Rev. Ed; > ROCKWELL Family 929.273 Al no. 546 > ROGER Family FHL #9085 10 item 12 > The ROSS Family 929.273 R733a > > RUNK-RUNCK Family 929.273 R874r > RUSSEL Family 929.273 R91 I a > History of a German Family: the SCHNEIDER Family of Friesland, 1492 A.D. > etc. with the Ancestry of Various American Immigrants 929.273 Sch58a > SEAMAN Family 929.273 Sel6a > SHAPLEIGH Family 929.273 SH64ag > The SPROULL Family from 1283 A.D.: with Ancestry of, e.g., Governor W.C. > Sproull of Pennsylvania. Also the Affiliated Families; CLARK, with the > Ancestry of Sen. W.C. Clark, MURE, PATTERSON, > CARRUTHERS, etc. 929.273 Sp87a > STONE Family 929.273 St72a > ! STOWELL Family FHL #90854 item 12 > SWIFT Family 929.273 Sw54a > ! THAXTER Family FHL #908504 item 11 > > THOMPSON Families 929.273 T371an > The TILNEY Family 929.273 T468a > The TONE Family 929.273 T612a > TOPPING Family FHL #924086 item 4 > The TRAYLOUR Family (TRAYLOR) 929.273 T699a > TURNER Family FHL #924400 > The von HORN Family 929.273 H783a > WALLEY and other Families 929.273 Al no. 599 > WARD Family FHL #908504 item 3 > WATERBURY Family FHL #908504 item 5 > > The WELD Family (WELLS, WELLES, WILLIS), 1066 A.D.-ca. 1910; and WILDS FHL > #928025 item 2 > WELLING Family FHL #908504 item 2 > WHEELER Family FHL #908834 item 6 > The WHITMAN Family 929.273 A1 no. 582 > WILSON Family 929.273 W691c > WITHERSPOON Family 929.273 A1 no. 558 > WOLFF Family, ca. 760 A.D.- 1916 929.273 W832a > WOOLEY History 929.273 W888a The WORCESTER Family 929.273 Al no. 557 > > ATTENTION RESEARCHERS > > If you or you know of anyone researching any of the above lines, you are > going to have serious problems with your lineage somewhere when you run > into a brick wall you can not scale. Not only will the above mentioned > "genealogies" steer you into uncharted waters but any other genealogies > that followed later and have used this material for their source. Any of > your sources that trace back to anything compiled by Gustave Anjou will > prove suspect. > > > > > > > > > > ==== CHESHIRE Mailing List ==== > Index to Cheshire Wills: > http://www.fhsc.org.uk/wills >

The dead line for filling out this survey is Jan 15, 2001. Jean in NS ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2001 2:09 AM Subject: [CHS] National Archive Survey (Canadian) > Dear List, > For any of you with relations that came to Canada this is an important > survey. > > ....The National Archives of Canada is performing a survey until January > > 15th. This survey will help determine what material the NAC will put > on the web in the future as part of their digitalized collections. > Some of their proposed projects will be of more interest to > genealogists than others. If you would like to complete this survey, > it can be found at: > > http://www.archives.ca/exec/naweb.dll?fs&0104&e&top&0 > > In light of the attempts of Canada's Privacy Commissioner to suppress > all data, in perpetuity, from any post-1901 Census, I feel that it > would be most helpful if as many people as possible could fill out > this survey and emphasize how necessary it is that the censuses be > kept accessible and that post-1901 censuses be made available as soon > as possible........ > > This was sent to another list so I thought I would pass it on. > > Kind regards Mary from Surrey BC Canada > > > ==== CHESHIRE Mailing List ==== > InfoQuest - the information site for Cheshire & the Wirral: > http://www.info-quest.com/ >

Well, I know there was none for a very long stretch. I was bad in the night with my cough. Have a sad funeral to go to today. Then a meeting tonight, and another one tomorrow afternoon, and Hospice tomorrow night. Shucks. MARGED --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.225 / Virus Database: 107 - Release Date: 22/12/00

That's my kind of housekeeping, Glenda! I do have a friend though who is an excellent seamstress. When her daughter was small she quite often made a new dress for her instead of washing a dirty one! Her grand daughter who figure skated with my daughter would show up after school and say she had forgotten her skating dress. She knew Nanny would give her a new one to wear. (Nanny had a part time business selling skates and making skating dresses to order.) This was a running joke at skating. Jean in NS ----- Original Message ----- From: "Glenda R. Wilson" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2001 6:04 AM Subject: [NTH-ENG] How To Simplyfy Housework > This has alighted upon Y Grystal Draig Wen and I thought > someone might get a chuckle reading it; enjoy :) > > > > HOW TO SIMPLIFY HOUSEWORK > > If you can't see behind the furniture or appliances, then it's clean > back there. > > An unmade bed will still be there tonight, ready for you to crawl into. > > There are three things you can do with dirty laundry: > > (Traditional) Wash/Dry/Iron/Fold/Put it away. > > (Efficient) Wear it! It's probably clean enough! > > (Philanthropic) Donate it! You wanted to shop for new > clothes anyway! > > Remember dust and dirt go under the rug. Trash and debris > go under the sofa! > > Get rid of your dust rags, vacuum cleaner, mops and brooms, and buy a > leaf blower. > > > ==== NORTHERN-ENGLAND Mailing List ==== > [email protected] > A mailing list for those whose ancestors moved between County Durham and > Yorkshire, discussion of the history and migration of the region as well as for people looking for ancestors in either County. > >

----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Allen" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2001 7:55 PM Subject: Re: [NTH-ENG] SLLIGHTS FILES ..............[snip].............................. > Mind you it could be a late issue Christmas Tree Light virus , fairy , for > the use of ! > > Regards > > Dave Did somebody shout???? Brian B Lancashire, UK. [email protected] http://www.gortonian.com --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free - checked by AVG anti-virus system . Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.225 / Virus Database: 107 - Release Date: 22/12/2000

Happy New Year to you too Dave . Just going back to work yesterday I have beauty sleep in the bank as it seems all I did while off for Christmas break was lie in mornings. LOL I always like to read the mail before I go out at Nine thirty and was most surprised this morning to see none from this list which is usually the busiest :-) As for the rail , well what can I say except what rail:-( TTFN Marion hi,ho, off to work we go !!!!! <<<,Happy New Year Some of us need our beauty sleep ! Does mail still come by rail ?

Hi Marion Happy New Year Some of us need our beauty sleep ! Does mail still come by rail ? Regards Dave > I cant believe there is no mail all night :-( > > anon ;-) > > > ==== NORTHERN-ENGLAND Mailing List ==== > The aims of this list are to create a comradeship of Northerners and those descendent from Northerners which can be beneficial to tracing the family history of the region. > > > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.225 / Virus Database: 107 - Release Date: 22-Dec-00

I cant believe there is no mail all night :-( anon ;-)

Bore Da ac Helo i fy main ffrind, Bryan, I wish I would be up just at five, but alas, this has been almost an all nighter ! So while all of the world has been sleeping I have been cheerfully typing away at Y Grystal Draig Wen ! and listening to a wonderful tape with good Welsh music and comedy on it ! :) what joy !!! Bendith Duw, Glenda >Bore Da y chwi Glenda annwyl ffrind, > >What you doing up at this hour, it's only 5:00AM there, hummm, early bird >hey, looking for worms, hang about, I wriggling away now.(Grin) >>From Bryan, >The Wild Celt, >Dum Spiro - Spero.

Hi Mike et al, 'Scuse my earlier Cryptic response! :-)) Your list made me think about "The White Goddess", by Robert Graves. I also had just returned home from a night out Celebrating my Birthday!:-)) A Fir Tree. Interesting! I identify, but with two notable exceptions, definitely not moody nor many friends, perhaps many good aquaintances would be better; additionally, no longer ambitious. Fame, money and power bring their own problems with them, many are not to my liking, though I admit I miss some of the money and certainly the power. "Many foes"; indeed! LOL. Regards, Mikey. Spectemur Agendo. > FIR TREE (Mysterious) - extraordinary taste, dignity, > sophisticated, loves anything beautiful, moody, stubborn, > tends to egoism but cares for those close to them, rather > modest, very ambitious, talented, industrious, uncontented > lover, many friends, many foes, very reliable. >

Good morning ! Good for you, Marion, that you were able to get rested up ! This will be great to face a new year with ! Yes, there is still the trail of the rail that runs criss- cross across this country. You going to be going somewhere by rail, Dave ? or is someone going to be run out on rail ? Take good care, Glenda

This has alighted upon Y Grystal Draig Wen and I thought someone might get a chuckle reading it; enjoy :) HOW TO SIMPLIFY HOUSEWORK If you can't see behind the furniture or appliances, then it's clean back there. An unmade bed will still be there tonight, ready for you to crawl into. There are three things you can do with dirty laundry: (Traditional) Wash/Dry/Iron/Fold/Put it away. (Efficient) Wear it! It's probably clean enough! (Philanthropic) Donate it! You wanted to shop for new clothes anyway! Remember dust and dirt go under the rug. Trash and debris go under the sofa! Get rid of your dust rags, vacuum cleaner, mops and brooms, and buy a leaf blower.

Hi Bryan, The gum tree ? thought you had all your own teeth ! What we need is a lager and lime tree , then you can get the partridge out of the pear tree and make a pie ......... Dave > I resemble that remark. > >From Bryan, > The Wild Celt, > Dum Spiro - Spero. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Dave Allen <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2001 8:00 PM > Subject: Re: [NTH-ENG] Ancient Celtic Signs - Anybody identify? > > > > There appears to be a tree missing from the list ............ > > > > > > The Gum Tree I'm always up ....... > > > > Dave :-) --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.225 / Virus Database: 107 - Release Date: 22-Dec-00

Thanks Dave - I think it may be the Camera! The dates are about right, so I won't delete it. MARGED --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.225 / Virus Database: 107 - Release Date: 22/12/00

hello i have been looking at several lists just to get a feel to what goes on. i am letting myself be known slowly. one of the problems with my database is that most of the sources that i have used are for most people in public domain, and the records that they have mostly will confim the info that i have got or will be specific to their research,eg i have most census record for the area around bolton,but only limited for oldham. another example is that someone will searched their family thro the 20th century and as every one knows there is limited records in public domain and this would mean visits to individual archive centers and this take time. so a stady start and hopefully a useful resourse for all dan seddon searching seddon anywere anytime -----Original Message----- From: Kostas & Angela Nicolaou [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2001 3:58 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [NTH-ENG] Re: Seddons Welcome Dan from Bolton. We have a Brian Seddon on our other list who is researching his family. He is also on the Lancs and Liverpool list. did you post your interests there dan ? Best wishes angela Cyprus ==== NORTHERN-ENGLAND Mailing List ==== The aims of this list are to create a comradeship of Northerners and those descendent from Northerners which can be beneficial to tracing the family history of the region.