Hi, I have a feeling that you probably have all the info I have sent you already !!! so will desist further . I think you can get a parish map of Norfolk online possibly from the NFHS or the NRO sites . life is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=/// ----- Original Message ----- From: "Warren Diggins" <digginswj@aol.com> To: <norfolk@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2011 10:19 PM Subject: Re: [NFK] William Allen and Phoebe Firman > > Hi Elizabeth, > > Thanks for your efforts. > > I have found the information on the James Allen bapt Wroxham to Christmas > and Sarah. They had a son George Luke Allen 1811, and other children at > Tunsted and Sprowston, but I couldn't connect that family in. I actually > couldn't find any info. on that family after about 1822, they don't seem > to appear in the 1841 census. > > The James bapt 1818 to William and Hannah is also of interest. I shall > have a look at a map to see where Marham is, and try to ind their > marriage, and other children. > > kind regards, Warren > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: elizabeth howard <elizgh@btinternet.com> > To: norfolk <norfolk@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sat, 31 Dec 2011 21:43 > Subject: [NFK] William Allen and Phoebe Firman > > > Hi again , in Freereg for James Allen bapt c 1818 , > there > s a bapt at Wroxham , St Mary , 1819, of James son of Christmas and Sarah > llen , father`s occupation butcher . I had been looking here in W > orfolk for Allens but if you think Roxham might be Wroxham this is for you > However there is at Marham , some 8 miles down the road from Downham > nd therefore Roxham , a bapt of a James son of William and Hannah Allen , > f Marham, labourer in June 1818 . > > > ife is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=/// > ---- Original Message ----- > rom: "Warren Diggins" <digginswj@aol.com> > o: <norfolk@rootsweb.com> > ent: Friday, December 30, 2011 10:13 PM > ubject: Re: [NFK] William Allen and Phoebe Firman > > > Hi Elizabeth, > > I think Benjamin was born approx 1813, and James born approx 1818. I don't > have any parent's names, but Benjamin had sons Benjamin and William, and > James had sons George Benjamin and John. > > I have a partial? military record for a James Allen (who may or may not be > the correct fellow), which indicates he was born 1817 - 1819 and indicates > Roxham Norfolk, which I have taken to be either Wroxham (NE of Norwich), > or Roxham near Ryston. I am attempting to check out births for both areas. > > Cheers, Warren > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: elizabeth howard <elizgh@btinternet.com> > To: norfolk <norfolk@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Fri, 30 Dec 2011 22:20 > Subject: [NFK] William Allen and Phoebe Firman > > > Hi, when you think Benjamin and James were born ? > > > ife is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=/// > ---- Original Message ----- > rom: "Warren Diggins" <digginswj@aol.com> > o: <norfolk@rootsweb.com> > ent: Thursday, December 29, 2011 8:18 PM > ubject: [NFK] : William Allen and Phoebe Firman > > > Hi Elizabeth, > > Thanks for the Census information. > > It doesn't appear that Benjamin and James belong to the family of William > and Sarah. The information on John and his wife agrees with what I have > with them coming to Victoria in the mid 1850's, although Elizabeth at > Cambridge is a bit of a mystery, as Thomas would be too young to have had > children, and Elizabeth still has the Allen surname (aged 10 in 1851). > Perhaps I need to do some checking on the family she is living with in > Cambridge. > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------ > o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com > ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body > of > he message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Elizabeth and David, David, thanks for the map. I had been using Streetmap, but your map gives me the big picture in one. Elizabeth, thanks for your help as well. I really don't have any substantial leads on my Allen family. I have found a convict to Australia who originated from Roxham or Wroxham, by the name of James Allen, and who was in the same area as a James Allen whom other researchers think was a brother to my Benjamin. Accordingly I am trying to locate any James Allens from that area, who may have had a brother Benjamin. The William Allen from Denver could be their father, as there are vacant years for the births of children which would suit Benjamin and James. The family of Christmas Allen (also known as George), from Tunstead, Srpowston and Wroxham, have a son George Luke Allen b 1811. Perhaps he changed his name to Benjamin - if so, that will prove to be a problem for me unless I can tie in other family members. I have now stumbled upon the birth of a Benjamin (surname unknown) b. Sprowston 1800 (on freereg) - used "?" in the surname field. Perhaps he was related to Christmas's family - difficult to prove with scant info. to work with. Thanks again, Cheers, Warren -----Original Message----- From: elizabeth howard <elizgh@btinternet.com> To: norfolk <norfolk@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sun, 1 Jan 2012 23:03 Subject: [NFK] William Allen and Phoebe Firman Hi, I have a feeling that you probably have all the info I ave sent you already !!! so will desist further . I think you can get a arish map of Norfolk online possibly from the NFHS or the NRO sites . life is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=/// ---- Original Message ----- rom: "Warren Diggins" <digginswj@aol.com> o: <norfolk@rootsweb.com> ent: Saturday, December 31, 2011 10:19 PM ubject: Re: [NFK] William Allen and Phoebe Firman Hi Elizabeth, Thanks for your efforts. I have found the information on the James Allen bapt Wroxham to Christmas and Sarah. They had a son George Luke Allen 1811, and other children at Tunsted and Sprowston, but I couldn't connect that family in. I actually couldn't find any info. on that family after about 1822, they don't seem to appear in the 1841 census. The James bapt 1818 to William and Hannah is also of interest. I shall have a look at a map to see where Marham is, and try to ind their marriage, and other children. kind regards, Warren -----Original Message----- From: elizabeth howard <elizgh@btinternet.com> To: norfolk <norfolk@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sat, 31 Dec 2011 21:43 Subject: [NFK] William Allen and Phoebe Firman Hi again , in Freereg for James Allen bapt c 1818 , there s a bapt at Wroxham , St Mary , 1819, of James son of Christmas and Sarah llen , father`s occupation butcher . I had been looking here in W orfolk for Allens but if you think Roxham might be Wroxham this is for you However there is at Marham , some 8 miles down the road from Downham nd therefore Roxham , a bapt of a James son of William and Hannah Allen , f Marham, labourer in June 1818 . ife is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=/// ---- Original Message ----- rom: "Warren Diggins" <digginswj@aol.com> o: <norfolk@rootsweb.com> ent: Friday, December 30, 2011 10:13 PM ubject: Re: [NFK] William Allen and Phoebe Firman Hi Elizabeth, I think Benjamin was born approx 1813, and James born approx 1818. I don't have any parent's names, but Benjamin had sons Benjamin and William, and James had sons George Benjamin and John. I have a partial? military record for a James Allen (who may or may not be the correct fellow), which indicates he was born 1817 - 1819 and indicates Roxham Norfolk, which I have taken to be either Wroxham (NE of Norwich), or Roxham near Ryston. I am attempting to check out births for both areas. Cheers, Warren -----Original Message----- From: elizabeth howard <elizgh@btinternet.com> To: norfolk <norfolk@rootsweb.com> Sent: Fri, 30 Dec 2011 22:20 Subject: [NFK] William Allen and Phoebe Firman Hi, when you think Benjamin and James were born ? ife is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=/// ---- Original Message ----- rom: "Warren Diggins" <digginswj@aol.com> o: <norfolk@rootsweb.com> ent: Thursday, December 29, 2011 8:18 PM ubject: [NFK] : William Allen and Phoebe Firman Hi Elizabeth, Thanks for the Census information. It doesn't appear that Benjamin and James belong to the family of William and Sarah. The information on John and his wife agrees with what I have with them coming to Victoria in the mid 1850's, although Elizabeth at Cambridge is a bit of a mystery, as Thomas would be too young to have had children, and Elizabeth still has the Allen surname (aged 10 in 1851). Perhaps I need to do some checking on the family she is living with in Cambridge. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message