I found this very interesting readingŠand great research by you. But could you explain what 'Sluice Rond reed-beds¹ are? Regards Di Dookie Australia On 10/05/2016, 7:23 AM, "Ian Layton via" <norfolk-bounces@rootsweb.com on behalf of norfolk@rootsweb.com> wrote: >Here, I hope, is the Dropbox link for Chapter 5: > >https://www.dropbox.com/s/7pjgztzpu76i39i/NEW%20Chapter%205%20Edward.docx? >dl=0 > >Good luck! > >Ian > >On 18 April 2016 at 17:23, Tod Brown via <norfolk@rootsweb.com> wrote: > >> Re: John Henry Brown >> >> My apologies to those who spent so much time trying to find information >> about my gf, John Henry Brown. I did not intend for it to generate so >> much activity but I should have known, since I know how much the members >> of this board love to do research. I was trying to keep it simple and >> see if I could find out about some possible military service that my gf >> may have been involved in. >> >> I do know much more about JHB and I have traced him through all of the >> censuses from 1871 to 1901 which is where I have lost him. As others >> have discovered, he lived in Halvergate while very young and then moved >> with his family to Yarmouth where they resided for about 20 years. >> Around 1890, the family, with some of the children, moved to Byker, in >> Newcastle. I am guessing that it was a result of the decline in boat >> building in Yarmouth that precipitated the move. Altogether, Elizabeth >> Hannah Howard and Samuel Brown had 13(!) children, the last two born in >> Newcastle. The last child, named for the mother, died at birth or >> shortly after. The other child born in Newcastle is mid-identified in >> some censuses. Her correct name is Isabella Myra. In 1892, John Henry >> was recruited by a coal-mining company in Pennsylvania and traveled to >> Philadelphia to join workers in the coal fields. He did not last long, >> for in 1893 he had met and married his wife, my grandmother, Ellen >> Blemmings, who was born in Glaslough, County Monaghan, Ireland, in 1863. >> They were married in Philadelphia. The couple returned to the Newcastle >> area after their marriage and it was there that my father, John Albert >> Brown, was born in 1895. On my father's birth reg it identifies JHB as a >> "wire rope maker". By 1901, another child, a daughter, also Ellen, had >> been born (1898) and the family was living outside of Bradford and JHB >> was a "carter for railway". When JHB and EB were married, JHB identified >> himself as a "coachman". In 1902, one more child, Margaret, was born. By >> 1909, JHB had abandoned the family and Ellen and the three children had >> come to Philadelphia where Ellen's sister was living. Four years later, >> in 1913, Ellen died, leaving her unmarried sister, Margaret, to raise >> the children. >> >> JHB may have had a drinking problem, as that is the family lore. My >> father clearly was very ashamed of his background and never revealed any >> of the circumstances of his arrival in America to me. On the other hand, >> he was quite prone to fabricating stories and one of the recurring ones >> was that his father was in the military. I have discovered in my journey >> to uncover my father's story (and there is quite a lot to it!) that >> often times there was a kernel of truth in his tales, hence the query >> about his father's military connection. It does not seem likely however, >> given what I have found, but you never know. >> >> In the past, there have been some folks on this board, Ian Layton in >> particular, who have helped me enormously in tracing my family back in >> Merry Olde. I have made one unforgettable trip to Norfolk and walked >> around in the churchyards of Halvergate, Reedham, Wickhampton and >> Cantley to visit some of my ancestors. Ian and I visited the grave of >> Edward Layton, my third and Ian's fourth great gf in Cantley. Edward and >> his first cousin, Sarah Browne, had two illegitimate children, the >> second, John, being my gg-gf (hence my surname). You can find some of >> Edward's story in the archives of this Board, if you care to. An >> interesting genealogical detective story as it were. >> >> I began my search for my ancestry when my father died in 1988. Until >> that time, my knowledge of his lineage was spotty, at best, and often >> contradictory due to his fabrications. Until just before he died, he had >> maintained that he had been born in Virginia. It was only literally on >> his deathbed that he told me one day, quite out of the blue, that he had >> been born in England. I realized then that I had to find out and I have >> been at it ever since. What I have found has been exciting, >> exhilarating, scandalous, puzzling at times and occasionally >> heartbreaking, but it is my story and it now can be passed on to my >> daughters and their children. What I have discovered has been >> life-changing and extremely personal, probably enough to fill a book >> (maybe some day). As all of you know, you can only know yourself when >> you know where you came from. Thank you all for all your help. >> >> >> >> >> >> On 4/18/2016 3:00 AM, norfolk-request@rootsweb.com wrote: >> > >> > >> > Today's Topics: >> > >> > 1. John Henry Brown (Gloria) >> > 2. Re: John Henry Brown (Rosie) >> > >> > >> > To contact the NORFOLK list administrator, send an email to >> > NORFOLK-admin@rootsweb.com. >> > >> > To post a message to the NORFOLK mailing list, send an email to >> NORFOLK@rootsweb.com. >> > >> > __________________________________________________________ >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com >> > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the >> body of the >> > email with no additional text. >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I have not yet read the material via the link but will try to explain a Sluice Rond reed bed. I have no marshmen in my tree but have lived inthe area for a long time-my knowledge of drainage is more of the Fens than the Norfolk broads area so sorry if I miss the mark. First step would be to google Acle and Halvergate marshes and look at the satellite view. The whole area is a former estuary now cut off from the sea by the sand bank on which Yarmouth stands. It is now mostly grazing marsh except fo Breydon water which is a brackish expanse of water and mud with sea lavender etc and home to many wading birds, through which the Yare and Bure exit at Yarmouth. All over the marsh are ditches and drains from which the water is pumped off into the main rivers with pumps-now electric but formerly steam and wind. A sluice allows water in or off or is used to control water levels. A rond, as far as I understand it, is the edge of a waterway which is not sharply defined and can be alongside a river or drain or wider expanse of water. So if you have the river Bure and there is a rond, the bank would not confine the water severely but allow it to spread about abit. Then you would get reeds growing in the damp marsh between main river flow and the bank. So a reed ( ( Phragmites) bed inside the rond where there is a sluice. A sluice rond may have a special meaning I am not aware of though. Norfolk reed is used for thatched roofs. Rosie On 10/05/2016 04:04, Di Feldtmann via wrote: > I found this very interesting readingŠand great research by you. But > could you explain what 'Sluice Rond reed-beds¹ are? > Regards > Di > Dookie > Australia > > > > On 10/05/2016, 7:23 AM, "Ian Layton via" <norfolk-bounces@rootsweb.com on > behalf of norfolk@rootsweb.com> wrote: > >> Here, I hope, is the Dropbox link for Chapter 5: >> >> https://www.dropbox.com/s/7pjgztzpu76i39i/NEW%20Chapter%205%20Edward.docx? >> dl=0 >> >> Good luck! >> >> Ian >> >> On 18 April 2016 at 17:23, Tod Brown via <norfolk@rootsweb.com> wrote: >> >>> Re: John Henry Brown >>> >>> My apologies to those who spent so much time trying to find information >>> about my gf, John Henry Brown. I did not intend for it to generate so >>> much activity but I should have known, since I know how much the members >>> of this board love to do research. I was trying to keep it simple and >>> see if I could find out about some possible military service that my gf >>> may have been involved in. >>> >>> I do know much more about JHB and I have traced him through all of the >>> censuses from 1871 to 1901 which is where I have lost him. As others >>> have discovered, he lived in Halvergate while very young and then moved >>> with his family to Yarmouth where they resided for about 20 years. >>> Around 1890, the family, with some of the children, moved to Byker, in >>> Newcastle. I am guessing that it was a result of the decline in boat >>> building in Yarmouth that precipitated the move. Altogether, Elizabeth >>> Hannah Howard and Samuel Brown had 13(!) children, the last two born in >>> Newcastle. The last child, named for the mother, died at birth or >>> shortly after. The other child born in Newcastle is mid-identified in >>> some censuses. Her correct name is Isabella Myra. In 1892, John Henry >>> was recruited by a coal-mining company in Pennsylvania and traveled to >>> Philadelphia to join workers in the coal fields. He did not last long, >>> for in 1893 he had met and married his wife, my grandmother, Ellen >>> Blemmings, who was born in Glaslough, County Monaghan, Ireland, in 1863. >>> They were married in Philadelphia. The couple returned to the Newcastle >>> area after their marriage and it was there that my father, John Albert >>> Brown, was born in 1895. On my father's birth reg it identifies JHB as a >>> "wire rope maker". By 1901, another child, a daughter, also Ellen, had >>> been born (1898) and the family was living outside of Bradford and JHB >>> was a "carter for railway". When JHB and EB were married, JHB identified >>> himself as a "coachman". In 1902, one more child, Margaret, was born. By >>> 1909, JHB had abandoned the family and Ellen and the three children had >>> come to Philadelphia where Ellen's sister was living. Four years later, >>> in 1913, Ellen died, leaving her unmarried sister, Margaret, to raise >>> the children. >>> >>> JHB may have had a drinking problem, as that is the family lore. My >>> father clearly was very ashamed of his background and never revealed any >>> of the circumstances of his arrival in America to me. On the other hand, >>> he was quite prone to fabricating stories and one of the recurring ones >>> was that his father was in the military. I have discovered in my journey >>> to uncover my father's story (and there is quite a lot to it!) that >>> often times there was a kernel of truth in his tales, hence the query >>> about his father's military connection. It does not seem likely however, >>> given what I have found, but you never know. >>> >>> In the past, there have been some folks on this board, Ian Layton in >>> particular, who have helped me enormously in tracing my family back in >>> Merry Olde. I have made one unforgettable trip to Norfolk and walked >>> around in the churchyards of Halvergate, Reedham, Wickhampton and >>> Cantley to visit some of my ancestors. Ian and I visited the grave of >>> Edward Layton, my third and Ian's fourth great gf in Cantley. Edward and >>> his first cousin, Sarah Browne, had two illegitimate children, the >>> second, John, being my gg-gf (hence my surname). You can find some of >>> Edward's story in the archives of this Board, if you care to. An >>> interesting genealogical detective story as it were. >>> >>> I began my search for my ancestry when my father died in 1988. Until >>> that time, my knowledge of his lineage was spotty, at best, and often >>> contradictory due to his fabrications. Until just before he died, he had >>> maintained that he had been born in Virginia. It was only literally on >>> his deathbed that he told me one day, quite out of the blue, that he had >>> been born in England. I realized then that I had to find out and I have >>> been at it ever since. What I have found has been exciting, >>> exhilarating, scandalous, puzzling at times and occasionally >>> heartbreaking, but it is my story and it now can be passed on to my >>> daughters and their children. What I have discovered has been >>> life-changing and extremely personal, probably enough to fill a book >>> (maybe some day). As all of you know, you can only know yourself when >>> you know where you came from. Thank you all for all your help. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On 4/18/2016 3:00 AM, norfolk-request@rootsweb.com wrote: >>>> >>>> Today's Topics: >>>> >>>> 1. John Henry Brown (Gloria) >>>> 2. Re: John Henry Brown (Rosie) >>>> >>>> >>>> To contact the NORFOLK list administrator, send an email to >>>> NORFOLK-admin@rootsweb.com. >>>> >>>> To post a message to the NORFOLK mailing list, send an email to >>> NORFOLK@rootsweb.com. >>>> __________________________________________________________ >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com >>>> with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the >>> body of the >>>> email with no additional text. >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message