Thank you! On Wed, May 11, 2016 at 5:14 AM, xpn11 via <norfolk@rootsweb.com> wrote: > I just took a look at this in an idle moment. So, Ursilla. From FS > search page it seems Lisa could be looking for the parents of Elizabeth > Jones who married into the Girdlestones at Wramplingham and the > Elizabeth was the child of Thomas and Elizabeth Ursula of Attlebridge > born 1759 ( this is IGI and Pedigree resource file with no cross check > from images of PRs ) . I had a look at the parish records and the ATs > for Attlebridge- I think there is a gap in the ATs around 1759 and the > parish records are muddled and patched and only someone looking for a > direct ancestor or a dedicated transcriber could spare the time. My > impression is that the Ursula is a second Christian or forename-this is > quite common surely, that baptism records will give the mother's > forenames and no surname? If the record of the mother of Elizabeth Jones > has only been found in her birth record then there is a chance that her > maiden name is not given. I hope Lisa is able to find her on Attlebridge > PR images or on the BTs. or of those of an adjacent parish.I think if I > was looking I would start with the Wramplingham marriage image and just > make sure it says Attlebridge and not Attleborough as they are both > about the same distance from Wramplingham. > > Rosie > > > On 09/05/2016 15:30, Elizabeth Lee Pugh via wrote: > > Hello Lisa > > You don't give any specific places in your request but I found these in > Free > > Reg. I have never come across the surname of URSILLA and it doesn't > come up > > anywhere on Free Reg. But I found this..... > > > > Elizabeth WHISKA? Baptism 1 * 1738 Norfolk Castle Acre (St James) > > [Archdeacon's Transcripts] > > > > This entry is on page 42 of the BTs on the LDS website and the surname > is > > almost illegible. > > Did Elizabeth and Thomas have children named William or Prudence? > Prudence > > is not that common and if they did it could be a clue as to Elizabeth's > > mother's name. > > > > The only relevant Thomas Jones appears to be this one - and North > Walsham is > > quite a distance from Castle Acre but could give you something to work > on. > > Thomas JONES Baptism 1 Feb 1734/5 Norfolk North Walsham (St Nicholas) > > [Parish Register] > > > > I find it extremely difficult to actually use the LDS site on line now - > it > > seems to be hit or miss as to whether you can find the place you are > looking > > for. Once in to the site go to SEARCH and then scroll down to the world > map > > and click on where the UK is. Then when you get the list of records > > available click on the other records available at the bottom of the list. > > >From then on I have no idea how or why I sometimes can find the list of > > place names.... > > > > Good luck! > > > > Elizabeth Pugh > > Whitehorse > > Yukon Canada > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Lisa Dayley > > Sent: Sunday, May 08, 2016 9:20 PM > > To: norfolk@rootsweb.com > > Subject: [NFK] Ursilla-Jones > > > > Dear Listers: > > I am looking for the Ursilla family. > > My fifth great-grandparents were Elizabeth Ursilla (b: 1738) and Thomas > > Jones (b: 1735) both from Norfolk. > > Their daughter Elizabeth Jones (1756-1821) is my fourth great grandmother > > also of Norfolk., > > Any information would be great and especially on the Ursilla family. > > Thanks in advance > > Lisa > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I have found many descriptions of the fact that children are born out of wedlock. Bastard; Low Born; Base Born; etc. but I get the feeling from the fact that they were being baptised that these phrases were not the derogatory words we would think them today, but merely stating a fact. On a lighter note, I found this entry in a list of Norfolk baptisms. The last line is my invention! Baptism record in Norfolk (no father recorded) Number date name of child Mother  431 13/02/1858 Mulberry Bush Christopher OKES Ann OKES (“I found him under a mulberry bush – honest vicar!”) Richard Harbord -----Original Message----- From: Lisa Dayley via Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2016 5:17 AM To: xpn11 ; norfolk@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NFK] Ursilla-Jones Thank you! On Wed, May 11, 2016 at 5:14 AM, xpn11 via <norfolk@rootsweb.com> wrote: > I just took a look at this in an idle moment. So, Ursilla. From FS > search page it seems Lisa could be looking for the parents of Elizabeth > Jones who married into the Girdlestones at Wramplingham and the > Elizabeth was the child of Thomas and Elizabeth Ursula of Attlebridge > born 1759 ( this is IGI and Pedigree resource file with no cross check > from images of PRs ) . I had a look at the parish records and the ATs > for Attlebridge- I think there is a gap in the ATs around 1759 and the > parish records are muddled and patched and only someone looking for a > direct ancestor or a dedicated transcriber could spare the time. My > impression is that the Ursula is a second Christian or forename-this is > quite common surely, that baptism records will give the mother's > forenames and no surname? If the record of the mother of Elizabeth Jones > has only been found in her birth record then there is a chance that her > maiden name is not given. I hope Lisa is able to find her on Attlebridge > PR images or on the BTs. or of those of an adjacent parish.I think if I > was looking I would start with the Wramplingham marriage image and just > make sure it says Attlebridge and not Attleborough as they are both > about the same distance from Wramplingham. > > Rosie > > > On 09/05/2016 15:30, Elizabeth Lee Pugh via wrote: > > Hello Lisa > > You don't give any specific places in your request but I found these in > Free > > Reg. I have never come across the surname of URSILLA and it doesn't > come up > > anywhere on Free Reg. But I found this..... > > > > Elizabeth WHISKA? Baptism 1 * 1738 Norfolk Castle Acre (St James) > > [Archdeacon's Transcripts] > > > > This entry is on page 42 of the BTs on the LDS website and the surname > is > > almost illegible. > > Did Elizabeth and Thomas have children named William or Prudence? > Prudence > > is not that common and if they did it could be a clue as to Elizabeth's > > mother's name. > > > > The only relevant Thomas Jones appears to be this one - and North > Walsham is > > quite a distance from Castle Acre but could give you something to work > on. > > Thomas JONES Baptism 1 Feb 1734/5 Norfolk North Walsham (St > > Nicholas) > > [Parish Register] > > > > I find it extremely difficult to actually use the LDS site on line now - > it > > seems to be hit or miss as to whether you can find the place you are > looking > > for. Once in to the site go to SEARCH and then scroll down to the world > map > > and click on where the UK is. Then when you get the list of records > > available click on the other records available at the bottom of the > > list. > > >From then on I have no idea how or why I sometimes can find the list of > > place names.... > > > > Good luck! > > > > Elizabeth Pugh > > Whitehorse > > Yukon Canada > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Lisa Dayley > > Sent: Sunday, May 08, 2016 9:20 PM > > To: norfolk@rootsweb.com > > Subject: [NFK] Ursilla-Jones > > > > Dear Listers: > > I am looking for the Ursilla family. > > My fifth great-grandparents were Elizabeth Ursilla (b: 1738) and Thomas > > Jones (b: 1735) both from Norfolk. > > Their daughter Elizabeth Jones (1756-1821) is my fourth great > > grandmother > > also of Norfolk., > > Any information would be great and especially on the Ursilla family. > > Thanks in advance > > Lisa > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message