Thank you, I have enjoyed reading the information about the Norfolk marshes. This all add to the social and local history where some of our ancestors lived. Diane - Western Australia On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 9:19 PM, Rosie via <norfolk@rootsweb.com> wrote: > I have not yet read the material via the link but will try to explain a > Sluice Rond reed bed. I have no marshmen in my tree but have lived inthe > area for a long time-my knowledge of drainage is more of the Fens than > the Norfolk broads area so sorry if I miss the mark. > First step would be to google Acle and Halvergate marshes and look at > the satellite view. The whole area is a former estuary now cut off from > the sea by the sand bank on which Yarmouth stands. It is now mostly > grazing marsh except fo Breydon water which is a brackish expanse of > water and mud with sea lavender etc and home to many wading birds, > through which the Yare and Bure exit at Yarmouth. All over the marsh are > ditches and drains from which the water is pumped off into the main > rivers with pumps-now electric but formerly steam and wind. A sluice > allows water in or off or is used to control water levels. A rond, as > far as I understand it, is the edge of a waterway which is not sharply > defined and can be alongside a river or drain or wider expanse of water. > So if you have the river Bure and there is a rond, the bank would not > confine the water severely but allow it to spread about abit. Then you > would get reeds growing in the damp marsh between main river flow and > the bank. So a reed ( ( Phragmites) bed inside the rond where there is a > sluice. A sluice rond may have a special meaning I am not aware of > though. Norfolk reed is used for thatched roofs. > Rosie > > On 10/05/2016 04:04, Di Feldtmann via wrote: > > I found this very interesting readingŠand great research by you. But > > could you explain what 'Sluice Rond reed-beds¹ are? > > Regards > > Di > > Dookie > > Australia > > > > > > > > On 10/05/2016, 7:23 AM, "Ian Layton via" <norfolk-bounces@rootsweb.com > on > > behalf of norfolk@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > > >> Here, I hope, is the Dropbox link for Chapter 5: > >> > >> > https://www.dropbox.com/s/7pjgztzpu76i39i/NEW%20Chapter%205%20Edward.docx? > >> dl=0 > >> > >> Good luck! > >> > >> Ian > >> > >> On 18 April 2016 at 17:23, Tod Brown via <norfolk@rootsweb.com> wrote: > >> > >>> Re: John Henry Brown > >>> > >>> My apologies to those who spent so much time trying to find information > >>> about my gf, John Henry Brown. I did not intend for it to generate so > >>> much activity but I should have known, since I know how much the > members > >>> of this board love to do research. I was trying to keep it simple and > >>> see if I could find out about some possible military service that my gf > >>> may have been involved in. > >>> > >>> I do know much more about JHB and I have traced him through all of the > >>> censuses from 1871 to 1901 which is where I have lost him. As others > >>> have discovered, he lived in Halvergate while very young and then moved > >>> with his family to Yarmouth where they resided for about 20 years. > >>> Around 1890, the family, with some of the children, moved to Byker, in > >>> Newcastle. I am guessing that it was a result of the decline in boat > >>> building in Yarmouth that precipitated the move. Altogether, Elizabeth > >>> Hannah Howard and Samuel Brown had 13(!) children, the last two born in > >>> Newcastle. The last child, named for the mother, died at birth or > >>> shortly after. The other child born in Newcastle is mid-identified in > >>> some censuses. Her correct name is Isabella Myra. In 1892, John Henry > >>> was recruited by a coal-mining company in Pennsylvania and traveled to > >>> Philadelphia to join workers in the coal fields. He did not last long, > >>> for in 1893 he had met and married his wife, my grandmother, Ellen > >>> Blemmings, who was born in Glaslough, County Monaghan, Ireland, in > 1863. > >>> They were married in Philadelphia. The couple returned to the Newcastle > >>> area after their marriage and it was there that my father, John Albert > >>> Brown, was born in 1895. On my father's birth reg it identifies JHB as > a > >>> "wire rope maker". By 1901, another child, a daughter, also Ellen, had > >>> been born (1898) and the family was living outside of Bradford and JHB > >>> was a "carter for railway". When JHB and EB were married, JHB > identified > >>> himself as a "coachman". In 1902, one more child, Margaret, was born. > By > >>> 1909, JHB had abandoned the family and Ellen and the three children had > >>> come to Philadelphia where Ellen's sister was living. Four years later, > >>> in 1913, Ellen died, leaving her unmarried sister, Margaret, to raise > >>> the children. > >>> > >>> JHB may have had a drinking problem, as that is the family lore. My > >>> father clearly was very ashamed of his background and never revealed > any > >>> of the circumstances of his arrival in America to me. On the other > hand, > >>> he was quite prone to fabricating stories and one of the recurring ones > >>> was that his father was in the military. I have discovered in my > journey > >>> to uncover my father's story (and there is quite a lot to it!) that > >>> often times there was a kernel of truth in his tales, hence the query > >>> about his father's military connection. It does not seem likely > however, > >>> given what I have found, but you never know. > >>> > >>> In the past, there have been some folks on this board, Ian Layton in > >>> particular, who have helped me enormously in tracing my family back in > >>> Merry Olde. I have made one unforgettable trip to Norfolk and walked > >>> around in the churchyards of Halvergate, Reedham, Wickhampton and > >>> Cantley to visit some of my ancestors. Ian and I visited the grave of > >>> Edward Layton, my third and Ian's fourth great gf in Cantley. Edward > and > >>> his first cousin, Sarah Browne, had two illegitimate children, the > >>> second, John, being my gg-gf (hence my surname). You can find some of > >>> Edward's story in the archives of this Board, if you care to. An > >>> interesting genealogical detective story as it were. > >>> > >>> I began my search for my ancestry when my father died in 1988. Until > >>> that time, my knowledge of his lineage was spotty, at best, and often > >>> contradictory due to his fabrications. Until just before he died, he > had > >>> maintained that he had been born in Virginia. It was only literally on > >>> his deathbed that he told me one day, quite out of the blue, that he > had > >>> been born in England. I realized then that I had to find out and I have > >>> been at it ever since. What I have found has been exciting, > >>> exhilarating, scandalous, puzzling at times and occasionally > >>> heartbreaking, but it is my story and it now can be passed on to my > >>> daughters and their children. What I have discovered has been > >>> life-changing and extremely personal, probably enough to fill a book > >>> (maybe some day). As all of you know, you can only know yourself when > >>> you know where you came from. Thank you all for all your help. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> On 4/18/2016 3:00 AM, norfolk-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > >>>> > >>>> Today's Topics: > >>>> > >>>> 1. John Henry Brown (Gloria) > >>>> 2. 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