Hi Listers, I am trying to resolve an issue with two registration entries in FreeReg for a birth at St Botolph Hevingham. They both relate to Registry Entry 581, one indicating that Benjamin Allen was the illegitimate son of a woman surname Wighton, the other has father as surname Allen and mother as Elizabeth Wighton. I am wondering whether this Benjamin Allen has anything to do with the Elizabeth Williamson who married William Wighton at St Botolph Hevingham in 1832. Any ideas / assistance greatly appreciated. Kind regards, Warren Diggins (Australia)

Hi, there is an entry in the 1841 census for Hevingham which shows an Edward Wighton , 32, ag lab, Y, Jane , 31, Y, and Benjn , 8 , Y. Also in Hevingham in 1841 is a Benjamin Allen , 57, ag lab, Y, with Eliza, 61, and a William Burphen , 5, Pheobe Allen , 27, and John Allen , 4 . There is a big family of Wighton living just a few doors away , Thomas and Sophia , with Juniper, William , Maria, Elizabeth, Robert . There is a combination of William Wighton , 30, ag lab, Y, with Elizabeth , 25, Y, Rebecca, 6 and Mary , 2......and with the family is John Williamson , 55 , lodgr, perhaps this is the Elizabeth Williamson you mention married to William Wighton . There is a Robert and Ann Williamson of Gt Bircham with a son Benjamin aged 13 . But no specific Benjamin Allen aged 5 or 6. If he is William Burphen , 5, living with Benjamin Allen senr and Jane , then he would fit in with Williama and Elizabeth Wighton`s other children , Rebecca 6 and Mary 2. Perhaps !!! life is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=/// ----- Original Message ----- From: "Warren Diggins" <digginswj@aol.com> To: <norfolk@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2011 8:21 AM Subject: [NFK] Benjamin Allen or Wighton or Williamson born Hevingham c.1832/3 > > Hi Listers, > > I am trying to resolve an issue with two registration entries in FreeReg > for a birth at St Botolph Hevingham. They both relate to Registry Entry > 581, one indicating that Benjamin Allen was the illegitimate son of a > woman surname Wighton, the other has father as surname Allen and mother as > Elizabeth Wighton. > > I am wondering whether this Benjamin Allen has anything to do with the > Elizabeth Williamson who married William Wighton at St Botolph Hevingham > in 1832. Any ideas / assistance greatly appreciated. > > Kind regards, Warren Diggins (Australia) > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Elizabeth, Thanks for your reply. I am now wondering whether the William Burphen you mention might be William B (for Benjamin), orphan. I have found another reference where relationship was denoted as orphan, yet the child was actually a step-child to the head of the household. I couldn't find the name Burphen on Freereg in Norfolk. Is Burphen clearly written? It seems odd that Benjamin (born c. 1833) was not living with Elizabeth Wighton if she was the mother? The Benjamin Allen I am chasing would have to have been born in 1831, and I am hoping that he could therefore have been a child of Elizabeth Williamson's, born before she married William Wighton (but baptised after the marriage). Kind regards, Warren -----Original Message----- From: elizabeth howard <elizgh@btinternet.com> To: norfolk <norfolk@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sun, 3 Jul 2011 20:23 Subject: [NFK] Benjamin Allen or Wighton or Williamson born Hevingham c.1832/3 Hi, there is an entry in the 1841 census for Hevingham which hows an Edward Wighton , 32, ag lab, Y, Jane , 31, Y, and Benjn , 8 , Y. lso in Hevingham in 1841 is a Benjamin Allen , 57, ag lab, Y, with Eliza, 1, and a William Burphen , 5, Pheobe Allen , 27, and John Allen , 4 . here is a big family of Wighton living just a few doors away , Thomas and ophia , with Juniper, William , Maria, Elizabeth, Robert . There is a ombination of William Wighton , 30, ag lab, Y, with Elizabeth , 25, Y, ebecca, 6 and Mary , 2......and with the family is John Williamson , 55 , odgr, perhaps this is the Elizabeth Williamson you mention married to illiam Wighton . There is a Robert and Ann Williamson of Gt Bircham with son Benjamin aged 13 . But no specific Benjamin Allen aged 5 or 6. If he is William urphen , 5, living with Benjamin Allen senr and Jane , then he would fit in ith Williama and Elizabeth Wighton`s other children , Rebecca 6 and Mary 2. erhaps !!! life is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=/// ---- Original Message ----- rom: "Warren Diggins" <digginswj@aol.com> o: <norfolk@rootsweb.com> ent: Sunday, July 03, 2011 8:21 AM ubject: [NFK] Benjamin Allen or Wighton or Williamson born Hevingham .1832/3 Hi Listers, I am trying to resolve an issue with two registration entries in FreeReg for a birth at St Botolph Hevingham. They both relate to Registry Entry

Hi, who knows !!! that is the joy of the search and the chase ...the ancestors are all very tricky people and there is nothing in A2A which might indicate that Hevingham had to support the illegitimate son of Elizabeth Williamson /Wighton ..........and no Burphen is a name in the village , there are quite a few of them ...... But no Benj, Ben , Benjamin Allen , Allan or anything like this 8/9yr old but interesting that there was an older Benjamin Allen just up the road with this odd child who clearly might be related ......but equally they could have taken him in for the parish rate they would have been paid ......... life is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=/// ----- Original Message ----- From: "Warren Diggins" <digginswj@aol.com> To: <norfolk@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2011 11:52 AM Subject: Re: [NFK] Benjamin Allen or Wighton or Williamson born Hevinghamc.1832/3 > > > > > > Hi Elizabeth, > > Thanks for your reply. > > I am now wondering whether the William Burphen you mention might be > William B (for Benjamin), orphan. > > I have found another reference where relationship was denoted as orphan, > yet the child was actually a step-child to the head of the household. > I couldn't find the name Burphen on Freereg in Norfolk. Is Burphen clearly > written? > > It seems odd that Benjamin (born c. 1833) was not living with Elizabeth > Wighton if she was the mother? > > The Benjamin Allen I am chasing would have to have been born in 1831, and > I am hoping that he could therefore have been a child of Elizabeth > Williamson's, born before she married William Wighton (but baptised after > the marriage). > > > > Kind regards, Warren > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: elizabeth howard <elizgh@btinternet.com> > To: norfolk <norfolk@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sun, 3 Jul 2011 20:23 > Subject: [NFK] Benjamin Allen or Wighton or Williamson born Hevingham > c.1832/3 > > > Hi, there is an entry in the 1841 census for Hevingham which > hows an Edward Wighton , 32, ag lab, Y, Jane , 31, Y, and Benjn , 8 , Y. > lso in Hevingham in 1841 is a Benjamin Allen , 57, ag lab, Y, with Eliza, > 1, and a William Burphen , 5, Pheobe Allen , 27, and John Allen , 4 . > here is a big family of Wighton living just a few doors away , Thomas and > ophia , with Juniper, William , Maria, Elizabeth, Robert . There is a > ombination of William Wighton , 30, ag lab, Y, with Elizabeth , 25, Y, > ebecca, 6 and Mary , 2......and with the family is John Williamson , 55 , > odgr, perhaps this is the Elizabeth Williamson you mention married to > illiam Wighton . There is a Robert and Ann Williamson of Gt Bircham with > son Benjamin aged 13 . > But no specific Benjamin Allen aged 5 or 6. If he is William > urphen , 5, living with Benjamin Allen senr and Jane , then he would fit > in > ith Williama and Elizabeth Wighton`s other children , Rebecca 6 and Mary > 2. > erhaps !!! > > life is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=/// > ---- Original Message ----- > rom: "Warren Diggins" <digginswj@aol.com> > o: <norfolk@rootsweb.com> > ent: Sunday, July 03, 2011 8:21 AM > ubject: [NFK] Benjamin Allen or Wighton or Williamson born Hevingham > .1832/3 > > > Hi Listers, > > I am trying to resolve an issue with two registration entries in FreeReg > for a birth at St Botolph Hevingham. They both relate to Registry Entry > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Warren You don't say whether you have looked at the original image so I am sending it to you. It is an entry which is not clear either in writing or intent and I think both the transcribers have had problems. I cant see anything that relates to an Elizabeth. Maybe you can decipher it! Hope this helps Jean On 3 July 2011 08:21, Warren Diggins <digginswj@aol.com> wrote: > > Hi Listers, > > I am trying to resolve an issue with two registration entries in FreeReg > for a birth at St Botolph Hevingham. They both relate to Registry Entry 581, > one indicating that Benjamin Allen was the illegitimate son of a woman > surname Wighton, the other has father as surname Allen and mother as > Elizabeth Wighton. > > I am wondering whether this Benjamin Allen has anything to do with the > Elizabeth Williamson who married William Wighton at St Botolph Hevingham in > 1832. Any ideas / assistance greatly appreciated. > > Kind regards, Warren Diggins (Australia) > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

The register entry is online. http://tinyurl.com/6gmo229 I read it as 28 July 1833 Benjamin Illegitimate Father's surname not clear apart from ending in 'ighton'. Mother's surname Allen Benjamin lived in Hevingham And in the occupation box on a level with the mother's surname is written the word 'spinster'. Things to note: No date of birth for, or age at baptism of, Benjamin is given. There are no first names given for either Benjamin's father or mother. The description of 'spinster' does not automatically mean that by the time of Benjamin's baptism that his parents weren't married as the vicar has written 'spinster' besides every mother's name. I think it's his way of saying that before the parents married the mother's name was (xyz) and she was a spinster (as opposed to a widow). All you can conclude is that Benjamin was illegitimate at birth. However if you go to the previous image (number 38) and look at entry 565 that gives just the mother's name which leads me to suppose that possibly Benjamin's parents married after his birth but before his baptism. The BT entry is clearer regarding the surname of Benjamin's father, but still doesn't give any first names for either his father or mother. http://tinyurl.com/3m8gk2a Pam On 03/07/2011 08:21, Warren Diggins wrote: > Hi Listers, > > I am trying to resolve an issue with two registration entries in FreeReg for a birth at St Botolph Hevingham. They both relate to Registry Entry 581, one indicating that Benjamin Allen was the illegitimate son of a woman surname Wighton, the other has father as surname Allen and mother as Elizabeth Wighton. > > I am wondering whether this Benjamin Allen has anything to do with the Elizabeth Williamson who married William Wighton at St Botolph Hevingham in 1832. Any ideas / assistance greatly appreciated. > > Kind regards, Warren Diggins (Australia) > > > > ------------------------------- >

>From 1851 census Name Relationship Mar Age Sex Occupation Birthplace Edward WHITON Head M 43 M Fowl Dealer Hevingham-Norfolk Jane WHITON Wife M 43 F Weaver (Silk & Worsted Net) Hevingham-Norfolk *Benjamin ALLEN* Son U 17 M Weaver (Cotton & Worsted Net) Hevingham-Norfolk John THURSTON Lodg M 73 M Broom Maker Hevingham-Norfolk Charles DACK Lodg U 61 M Ag Lab Hevingham-Norfolk Address: Town St, Aylsham Census Place: Hevingham Aylsham, Norfolk PRO Reference: HO/107/1810 Folio: 657 Page: 12 FHL Film: 0207463 In 1841 Benjamin is not shown with these parents On 3 July 2011 08:21, Warren Diggins <digginswj@aol.com> wrote: > > Hi Listers, > > I am trying to resolve an issue with two registration entries in FreeReg > for a birth at St Botolph Hevingham. They both relate to Registry Entry 581, > one indicating that Benjamin Allen was the illegitimate son of a woman > surname Wighton, the other has father as surname Allen and mother as > Elizabeth Wighton. > > I am wondering whether this Benjamin Allen has anything to do with the > Elizabeth Williamson who married William Wighton at St Botolph Hevingham in > 1832. Any ideas / assistance greatly appreciated. > > Kind regards, Warren Diggins (Australia) > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Warren I think this may make sense of it:- >From LDS Edward WIGHTON married Jane ALLEN 28 Aug 1835 St Martin at Oak Norwich I leave you to look up the original entry but if correct then the 1851 parents are probaly his true parents and he was born before their marriage. Cheers Jean