Hi, that is very interesting about John Sadd, and finding his family through the census without him and with no further children and with the workhouse ending, you are probably absolutely right that he died . Just two thoughts, first as OPC of a seaside parish in Devon , the burial register for that village is full of body found, unknown man drowned, etc, so his death may not have been registered under his name which may not have been known at his burial . Desperately poor people did desperate things and sometimes the man of the family simply walked out , this is from Devon and Cornwall, and just got on a ship going anywhere . The burden of a large family , little work , simply drove them away . The overseers of the poor would have tried to keep them at home, if some of the older children were of an age to work , ie 7 years old upward , and if not the whole family would be sent to the workhouse . I have Devon instances of my family men being chased by the parish constable to bring them to book for not maintaining their families and even their parents . If there is any surviving record , overseers records , for Norwich union workhouse or wherever the family was sent you may get more . The Board of Guardians minute book for Downham Union gives a certain amount of detail so you may be lucky . And I can`t answer the question , but to find any name which should be there you have to take a flight of fancy and make unrealistic guesses which in this case turned out to be right !!!! N and M are not too dissimilar in shape and I guess that was the start point . life is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=/// ----- Original Message ----- From: "KIM QUILTS" <kimquilts@shaw.ca> To: <norfolk@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, December 23, 2011 3:13 PM Subject: Re: [NFK] INVISIBLE ANCESTORS (adding my SADD as I reply) I would be very interested in knowing how you located the Northcott, aka, Morthcost. What a difference. I am always looking for ideas to track my GG grandfather John Sadd, lived in Norwich, and I presume died there between 1841 and 1851. I have tried all sorts of name variations, checked all the usual records... Always looking for another idea to try. I have all his family on the census from 1841, where he is also, then he is gone, while the census records continue for the rest of the family. Also, following 1841 there are no other children born, and the family was in the workhouse, 2 other reasons to think he was dead. His death is a mystery, I have done GRO searches and at the NRO, nothing. Perhaps the death was not registered or he died unidentified, or a number of other possibilities. To make the situation more challenging, he was married at St Michael at Thorn, that church and most of the records were destroyed in the 2nd world war. Any new search ideas gratefully accepted. I have not listed all I have done, just in case someone has a new or differently stated idea, giving rise to a new thought process for me in the search. Thanks and Merry Christmas Kim ----- Original Message ----- From: elizabeth howard <elizgh@btinternet.com> Date: Friday, December 23, 2011 7:13 am Subject: [NFK] INVISIBLE ANCESTORS To: norfolk@rootsweb.com > Hi, sometimes an ancestor is simply lurking under a hideously > mis interpreted name . Northcott on the Devon list entered > into the 1861 > census ( ancestry) as Morthcost ........never in a million > years would I > have thought to look at that !!!! and then there is > the abbreviation , Mr > Northcott was Wm in ancestry`s index, so being case > sensitive the name > William was all the index looked for ....... perhaps Eliz > , Elizth , and a > variation of Blake may help , Black , or just an * in the place > of the k ?? > Or for both Tennant and Blake , maybe the freecen site and the > freereg site may help ? > > > > life is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=/// > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David and Janet Tennant" <d_jtennant@sympatico.ca> > To: <norfolk@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, December 23, 2011 1:45 PM > Subject: Re: [NFK] Elizabeth Blake died 1846 > > > > Somewhere in the past I have come across a reference to a > website where > > unwanted certificates can be posted. I think this is the URL: > > www.*certificate*-exchange.co.*uk*/ > > > > Re your problem., I think that many of us have relatives who > appear to > > have been abducted by aliens! I have spent most of the past 2 weeks > > looking for a trace of a relative of mine, a Charles Tennant, > of whom > > there seems to be absolutely no trace after his appearance on > the 1861 > > census at Starston. No apparent BMD entries so did he too > emigrate? I'll > > likely never know. > > Dave > > On 12/23/2011 7:35 AM, Jane Kelly wrote: > >> > >> Does anyone know of a suitable place to put wrong > certificates or perhaps > >> this is the right one for someone else? > >> > >> Best wishes, > >> > >> Jane > >> > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORFOLK- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message