Thank you for your reply. This death is certainly the most plausible. The death certificate states that the cause of death is concussion of the brain (suddenly). The informant is the coroner. Because of that, any family connection is not recorded. I have obtained a copy of the report of the accident as recorded in the Norfolk Chronicle and Gazette that describes in quite good detail the altercation where Sadd was struck on the head, fall backwards, striking his head against a bagatelle board, falling to the floor and never moving again. Poor George that struck him! It appears that he was frustrated and wanted Sadd to just be quiet, a moment later he had caused Sadd's death. I have no doubt it was unintentional. The newspaper reports the coroner's findings is detail. One detail that is different between this John Sadd and mine is his occupation, although the family may have fallen on hard times and John had of necessity changed from a dyer to a laborer. At this time there is a fair bit of circumstantial evidence that this is "my" John Sadd. I continue to look for that elusive bit that connects him with certainty to his family. I do appreciate your input. Kim ----- Original Message ----- From: C5D <antonylambert@c5d.co.uk> Date: Friday, December 23, 2011 9:41 am Subject: Re: [NFK] INVISIBLE ANCESTORS (adding my SADD as I reply) To: norfolk@rootsweb.com > > Name:  SADD, John > Registration District:  Help  Norwich > County:   Norfolk > Year of Registration:   1843 > Quarter of Registration:   Oct-Nov-Dec > Volume No:   13 > Page No:   161 > > > > This one no good ? > > Antony > > > -----Original Message----- > From: norfolk-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:norfolk- > bounces@rootsweb.com] On > Behalf Of KIM QUILTS > Sent: 23 December 2011 15:14 > To: norfolk@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [NFK] INVISIBLE ANCESTORS (adding my SADD as I reply) > > > I would be very interested in knowing how you located the > Northcott, aka, > Morthcost. What a difference. > > I am always looking for ideas to track my GG grandfather John > Sadd, lived in > Norwich, and I presume died there between 1841 and 1851. I have > tried all > sorts of name variations, checked all the usual records... > Always looking > for another idea to try. I have all his family on the census > from 1841, > where he is also, then he is gone, while the census records > continue for the > rest of the family. Also, following 1841 there are no other > children born, > and the family was in the workhouse, 2 other reasons to think he > was dead. > > His death is a mystery, I have done GRO searches and at the NRO, > nothing.Perhaps the death was not registered or he died > unidentified, or a number of > other possibilities. > To make the situation more challenging, he was married at St > Michael at > Thorn, that church and most of the records were destroyed in the > 2nd world > war. > > Any new search ideas gratefully accepted. I have not listed all > I have done, > just in case someone has a new or differently stated idea, > giving rise to a > new thought process for me in the search. > > Thanks and Merry Christmas > Kim > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: elizabeth howard <elizgh@btinternet.com> > Date: Friday, December 23, 2011 7:13 am > Subject: [NFK] INVISIBLE ANCESTORS > To: norfolk@rootsweb.com > > >             Hi,   sometimes an ancestor is simply lurking > under a > hideously > > mis interpreted name .  Northcott on the Devon list entered > > into the 1861 > > census  ( ancestry) as Morthcost ........never in a million > > years would I > > have thought to look at that !!!!   and then there is > > the abbreviation , Mr > > Northcott was Wm in ancestry`s index,  so being case > > sensitive the name > > William was all the index looked for .......  perhaps Eliz > > , Elizth , and a > > variation of Blake may help , Black , or just an * in the > place > > of the k ?? > >             Or for both Tennant and Blake , maybe the freecen > site and the > > > freereg site may help ? > > > > > > > > life is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=/// > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "David and Janet Tennant" <d_jtennant@sympatico.ca> > > To: <norfolk@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Friday, December 23, 2011 1:45 PM > > Subject: Re: [NFK] Elizabeth Blake died 1846 > > > > > > > Somewhere in the past I have come across a reference to a > > website where > > > unwanted certificates can be posted. I think this is the URL: > > > www.*certificate*-exchange.co.*uk*/ > > > > > > Re your problem., I think that many of us have relatives who > > appear to > > > have been abducted by aliens! I have spent most of the past > 2 weeks > > > looking for a trace of a relative of mine, a Charles > Tennant, > > of whom > > > there seems to be absolutely no trace after his appearance > on > > the 1861 > > > census at Starston. No apparent BMD entries so did he too > > emigrate? I'll > > > likely never know. > > > Dave > > > On 12/23/2011 7:35 AM, Jane Kelly wrote: > > >> > > >> Does anyone know of a suitable place to put wrong > > certificates or perhaps > > >> this is the right one for someone else? > > >> > > >> Best wishes, > > >> > > >> Jane > > >> > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without the > > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > >   > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORFOLK- > > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >   > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > >   > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORFOLK- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >