Hi Elizabeth, I think Benjamin was born approx 1813, and James born approx 1818. I don't have any parent's names, but Benjamin had sons Benjamin and William, and James had sons George Benjamin and John. I have a partial? military record for a James Allen (who may or may not be the correct fellow), which indicates he was born 1817 - 1819 and indicates Roxham Norfolk, which I have taken to be either Wroxham (NE of Norwich), or Roxham near Ryston. I am attempting to check out births for both areas. Cheers, Warren -----Original Message----- From: elizabeth howard <elizgh@btinternet.com> To: norfolk <norfolk@rootsweb.com> Sent: Fri, 30 Dec 2011 22:20 Subject: [NFK] William Allen and Phoebe Firman Hi, when you think Benjamin and James were born ? ife is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=/// ---- Original Message ----- rom: "Warren Diggins" <digginswj@aol.com> o: <norfolk@rootsweb.com> ent: Thursday, December 29, 2011 8:18 PM ubject: [NFK] : William Allen and Phoebe Firman Hi Elizabeth, Thanks for the Census information. It doesn't appear that Benjamin and James belong to the family of William and Sarah. The information on John and his wife agrees with what I have with them coming to Victoria in the mid 1850's, although Elizabeth at Cambridge is a bit of a mystery, as Thomas would be too young to have had children, and Elizabeth still has the Allen surname (aged 10 in 1851). Perhaps I need to do some checking on the family she is living with in Cambridge.

Hi, these are the Allen , Benjamin bapts from Freereg between 1809 - 1813 in Norfolk . To retrieve the details of a specific record click on the number in the table below: # Record Type Baptism Date Surname Forename County Place Name Found As 1 Baptisms 19 Nov 1815 Benjamin Norfolk Catfield Mother Surname 2 Baptisms 25 Dec 1808 ALLEN Benjamin Norfolk Great Moulton Father Surname 3 Baptisms 21 Nov 1813 ALLEN Benjamin Norfolk Tunstead Father Surname 4 Baptisms * * 1808 ALLEN Jane Norfolk Hevingham Father Surname 5 Baptisms * * 1811 ALLEN Benjamin Norfolk Hevingham Father Surname 6 Baptisms * * 1814 ALLEN Phabe Norfolk Hevingham Father Surname 7 Baptisms 19 Sep 1813 ALLEN Benjamin Norfolk Cromer Father Surname 8 Baptisms 23 Jan 1814 ALLEN Phoebe Norfolk Hevingham Father Surname 9 Baptisms 02 Mar 1817 ALLEN Susannah Norfolk Hevingham Father Surname 10 Baptisms * * 1813 ALLEN Benjamin Norfolk Tunstead Father Surname 11 Baptisms 20 Mar 1808 ALLEN Jane Norfolk Hevingham At Father Surname 12 Baptisms 21 Apr 1811 ALLEN Benjamin Norfolk Hevingham At Father Surname 13 Baptisms 02 Nov 1810 HUMPHREY Benjamin Norfolk Great Yarmouth Mother Surname 14 Baptisms 21 Mar 1809 SAYERS Benjamin Norfolk Norwich Mother Surname life is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=/// ----- Original Message ----- From: "Warren Diggins" <digginswj@aol.com> To: <norfolk@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, December 30, 2011 10:13 PM Subject: Re: [NFK] William Allen and Phoebe Firman > > Hi Elizabeth, > > I think Benjamin was born approx 1813, and James born approx 1818. I don't > have any parent's names, but Benjamin had sons Benjamin and William, and > James had sons George Benjamin and John. > > I have a partial? military record for a James Allen (who may or may not be > the correct fellow), which indicates he was born 1817 - 1819 and indicates > Roxham Norfolk, which I have taken to be either Wroxham (NE of Norwich), > or Roxham near Ryston. I am attempting to check out births for both areas. > > Cheers, Warren > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: elizabeth howard <elizgh@btinternet.com> > To: norfolk <norfolk@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Fri, 30 Dec 2011 22:20 > Subject: [NFK] William Allen and Phoebe Firman > > > Hi, when you think Benjamin and James were born ? > > > ife is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=/// > ---- Original Message ----- > rom: "Warren Diggins" <digginswj@aol.com> > o: <norfolk@rootsweb.com> > ent: Thursday, December 29, 2011 8:18 PM > ubject: [NFK] : William Allen and Phoebe Firman > > > Hi Elizabeth, > > Thanks for the Census information. > > It doesn't appear that Benjamin and James belong to the family of William > and Sarah. The information on John and his wife agrees with what I have > with them coming to Victoria in the mid 1850's, although Elizabeth at > Cambridge is a bit of a mystery, as Thomas would be too young to have had > children, and Elizabeth still has the Allen surname (aged 10 in 1851). > Perhaps I need to do some checking on the family she is living with in > Cambridge. > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi again , in Freereg for James Allen bapt c 1818 , there is a bapt at Wroxham , St Mary , 1819, of James son of Christmas and Sarah Allen , father`s occupation butcher . I had been looking here in W Norfolk for Allens but if you think Roxham might be Wroxham this is for you . However there is at Marham , some 8 miles down the road from Downham and therefore Roxham , a bapt of a James son of William and Hannah Allen , of Marham, labourer in June 1818 . life is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=/// ----- Original Message ----- From: "Warren Diggins" <digginswj@aol.com> To: <norfolk@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, December 30, 2011 10:13 PM Subject: Re: [NFK] William Allen and Phoebe Firman > > Hi Elizabeth, > > I think Benjamin was born approx 1813, and James born approx 1818. I don't > have any parent's names, but Benjamin had sons Benjamin and William, and > James had sons George Benjamin and John. > > I have a partial? military record for a James Allen (who may or may not be > the correct fellow), which indicates he was born 1817 - 1819 and indicates > Roxham Norfolk, which I have taken to be either Wroxham (NE of Norwich), > or Roxham near Ryston. I am attempting to check out births for both areas. > > Cheers, Warren > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: elizabeth howard <elizgh@btinternet.com> > To: norfolk <norfolk@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Fri, 30 Dec 2011 22:20 > Subject: [NFK] William Allen and Phoebe Firman > > > Hi, when you think Benjamin and James were born ? > > > ife is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=/// > ---- Original Message ----- > rom: "Warren Diggins" <digginswj@aol.com> > o: <norfolk@rootsweb.com> > ent: Thursday, December 29, 2011 8:18 PM > ubject: [NFK] : William Allen and Phoebe Firman > > > Hi Elizabeth, > > Thanks for the Census information. > > It doesn't appear that Benjamin and James belong to the family of William > and Sarah. The information on John and his wife agrees with what I have > with them coming to Victoria in the mid 1850's, although Elizabeth at > Cambridge is a bit of a mystery, as Thomas would be too young to have had > children, and Elizabeth still has the Allen surname (aged 10 in 1851). > Perhaps I need to do some checking on the family she is living with in > Cambridge. > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Elizabeth, Thanks for your efforts. I have found the information on the James Allen bapt Wroxham to Christmas and Sarah. They had a son George Luke Allen 1811, and other children at Tunsted and Sprowston, but I couldn't connect that family in. I actually couldn't find any info. on that family after about 1822, they don't seem to appear in the 1841 census. The James bapt 1818 to William and Hannah is also of interest. I shall have a look at a map to see where Marham is, and try to ind their marriage, and other children. kind regards, Warren -----Original Message----- From: elizabeth howard <elizgh@btinternet.com> To: norfolk <norfolk@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sat, 31 Dec 2011 21:43 Subject: [NFK] William Allen and Phoebe Firman Hi again , in Freereg for James Allen bapt c 1818 , there s a bapt at Wroxham , St Mary , 1819, of James son of Christmas and Sarah llen , father`s occupation butcher . I had been looking here in W orfolk for Allens but if you think Roxham might be Wroxham this is for you However there is at Marham , some 8 miles down the road from Downham nd therefore Roxham , a bapt of a James son of William and Hannah Allen , f Marham, labourer in June 1818 . ife is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=/// ---- Original Message ----- rom: "Warren Diggins" <digginswj@aol.com> o: <norfolk@rootsweb.com> ent: Friday, December 30, 2011 10:13 PM ubject: Re: [NFK] William Allen and Phoebe Firman Hi Elizabeth, I think Benjamin was born approx 1813, and James born approx 1818. I don't have any parent's names, but Benjamin had sons Benjamin and William, and James had sons George Benjamin and John. I have a partial? military record for a James Allen (who may or may not be the correct fellow), which indicates he was born 1817 - 1819 and indicates Roxham Norfolk, which I have taken to be either Wroxham (NE of Norwich), or Roxham near Ryston. I am attempting to check out births for both areas. Cheers, Warren -----Original Message----- From: elizabeth howard <elizgh@btinternet.com> To: norfolk <norfolk@rootsweb.com> Sent: Fri, 30 Dec 2011 22:20 Subject: [NFK] William Allen and Phoebe Firman Hi, when you think Benjamin and James were born ? ife is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=/// ---- Original Message ----- rom: "Warren Diggins" <digginswj@aol.com> o: <norfolk@rootsweb.com> ent: Thursday, December 29, 2011 8:18 PM ubject: [NFK] : William Allen and Phoebe Firman Hi Elizabeth, Thanks for the Census information. It doesn't appear that Benjamin and James belong to the family of William and Sarah. The information on John and his wife agrees with what I have with them coming to Victoria in the mid 1850's, although Elizabeth at Cambridge is a bit of a mystery, as Thomas would be too young to have had children, and Elizabeth still has the Allen surname (aged 10 in 1851). Perhaps I need to do some checking on the family she is living with in Cambridge. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message