I asked Peter Stibbons of Poppyland Publishing about this and this is his reply: I have a database of the crew of the Victory at Trafalgar, with some of the results of analysis shown at http://www.poppyland.co.uk/nelact1.html. From memory, I don't think it contains the marines on board - a major would have to be a marine, not a sailor. This database was used by National Maritime Museum as the basis of their first interactive display 'Did you have a relative in the crew of the Victory?' I think this display has been extended to include all the crews of the vessels at Trafalgar, so an enquiry to them is the first place to try for that particular battle. I don't have any detailed records for the Nile or Copenhagen to hand - I presume Sugden's comprehensive Nelson biography has been consulted. I would expect a major to have been in command of the marines on board, so he may occur in such a book. I'll also check the index of the book I'm currently reading on the Navy of 1790-1815. (The book Peter refers to at the end is, I think, a book he's hoping to publish in the near future.) -- Christopher Pipe BA DipLib MCLIP researching and indexing Norfolk history cp@wmk.demon.co.uk (and see www.cromerdictionary.co.uk) -----Original Message----- From: norfolk-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:norfolk-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of J Dyble via Sent: 29 January 2016 20:33 To: norfolk@rootsweb.com Subject: [NFK] John Humphrey s. major Hi All Does anybody know of a major John Humphrys. He was from Norfolk born in the 1700s he was in the battle of Nile and Copenhagen. With nelson. I would like to know when he was born etc. He moved to Ireland strabane in 1830s and was a land agent for the earl of Wicklow. Jeremy ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi thx for the information. Yes on several web sites he is mentioned at these battles. And hearing nelson speek. -----Original Message----- From: "elizgh via" <norfolk@rootsweb.com> Sent: ‎30/‎01/‎2016 14:25 To: "norfolk@rootsweb.com" <norfolk@rootsweb.com> Subject: [NFK] Major J HUMPHREYS Further to my last, he and Elizabeth Frances Reed were married in Dublin in 1814 . by licence. and his will is listed on Ancestry as being of Miltown House, co Tyrone esq who died 12 June 1872 , probate granted to John James Hamilton Humphreys of Lincolns Inn barrister at law. Thomas William Drummond Humphreys of Miltown House and the Rt Rev William Alexander Lord Bishop of Derry and Raphoe of the Palace Londonderry , the executors . Do you have any evidence for his service with Ld Nelson at Copenhagen and the Nile ? --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Further to my last, he and Elizabeth Frances Reed were married in Dublin in 1814 . by licence. and his will is listed on Ancestry as being of Miltown House, co Tyrone esq who died 12 June 1872 , probate granted to John James Hamilton Humphreys of Lincolns Inn barrister at law. Thomas William Drummond Humphreys of Miltown House and the Rt Rev William Alexander Lord Bishop of Derry and Raphoe of the Palace Londonderry , the executors . Do you have any evidence for his service with Ld Nelson at Copenhagen and the Nile ? --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

Nivard Thanks for your comments . I totally agree re the cost aspect. In fact I , being extremely mean, rarely if ever pay for information except as a last resort. The online availability, both free and otherwise, has increased enormously over the last few years. In the early to mid nineties when I started my research the LDS was one of the few online sources available and I used this almost exclusively to get started supplemented by trips to the local LDS offices to read microfiches . Thankfully they were only a 20 minute drive away. Thankfully also, in Canada dialup was not subject to telephone charges. If I was starting today however, I think I would subscribe to one of the commercial outlets and amass as much info in as short a time as possible. Re quality of PRs. Some I have seen are incredibly difficult to decipher. Having been composed with quill pens, likely by candlelight and then kept in damp surroundings it's a wonder that any of the early ones survived at all. Seen plenty where the mice have had a field day! David On 1/30/2016 12:50 PM, Nivard Ovington via wrote: > Hi David > > I hope my previous post in reply to Rosie helps re patron submitted data > (which is not in the latest familysearch) > > You are of course quite correct that commercial firms cannot afford the > time, or rather we can't, as commercial firms would have to charge far > more than they do for access > > But regardless of who does the transcription you cannot possibly > eradicate all errors, its simply not possible, partly as the record > being transcribed is often a transcript itself (ie compiled from a > vicars notes and written up later) > > You ask if commercial firms use OCR? yes they do for typed or print such > as a book, directory or newspapers but not for handwriting such as found > in a parish register, the OCR software that can do a decent job of that > is not available for everyday use > > It is available that can read handwriting but has to be taught the style > of an individual before it can convert it to something usable, not > really a viable option for parish registers and the like in a multitude > of handwriting styles > > The PRs are transcribed with variable results, mostly due to the > variable quality of the original writing and condition of the medium its > recorded on > > But as far as I am concerned, I would rather have a transcript mow, than > wait for an impossible to produce perfect transcript, with most search > engines you can use wildcards and various search methods to extract the > majority of data from even the worst transcripts > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > On 30/01/2016 14:33, DavidTennant via wrote: >> I think Rosie has it correctly. >> As I recall the "transcribed by members" records of the LDS showed too >> many instances where, for example, a birth date was 21 years before >> marriage. >> My experience of transcribing for FreeREG recalls many instances where >> difficult records were discussed, often over several days, amongst a >> multitude of fellow transcribers. A luxury a "commercial" site likely >> could not afford. >> Do commercial sites use Optical Character Recognition ,OCR? (I think >> that's what OCR means) >> My, admittedly amateur efforts at using this, have produced mixed and >> often amusing results. Doubt if it works with Latin entries! It probably >> why on one or two instance the "k" in my Skitmore surname has appeared >> as an "h"! >> David > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

I think Rosie has it correctly. As I recall the "transcribed by members" records of the LDS showed too many instances where, for example, a birth date was 21 years before marriage. My experience of transcribing for FreeREG recalls many instances where difficult records were discussed, often over several days, amongst a multitude of fellow transcribers. A luxury a "commercial" site likely could not afford. Do commercial sites use Optical Character Recognition ,OCR? (I think that's what OCR means) My, admittedly amateur efforts at using this, have produced mixed and often amusing results. Doubt if it works with Latin entries! It probably why on one or two instance the "k" in my Skitmore surname has appeared as an "h"! David On 1/30/2016 2:46 AM, xpn11 via wrote: > A question related to the OP- Family Search-are records collected by LDS > members and held on film before they launched their current project of > filmed and indexed records included in their indexing ? I note some > entries have no image and in one or two cases I have not been able to > track the record when browsing the images. Probably my error but I just > wondered. > If I recall correctly some of the member gathered information the old > LDS website carried was unreliable. > I find the value of the LDS site is in the filmed images.The FreeReg is > very helpful and I think records are very carefully transcribed, it is > an admirable project and I thank all those who contribute. Used together > they have changed the game. > Using the Family Search index to search Norfolk PRs shows up some weak > transcribing. Not as bad as Ancestry though. > Rosie > > > O

A question related to the OP- Family Search-are records collected by LDS members and held on film before they launched their current project of filmed and indexed records included in their indexing ? I note some entries have no image and in one or two cases I have not been able to track the record when browsing the images. Probably my error but I just wondered. If I recall correctly some of the member gathered information the old LDS website carried was unreliable. I find the value of the LDS site is in the filmed images.The FreeReg is very helpful and I think records are very carefully transcribed, it is an admirable project and I thank all those who contribute. Used together they have changed the game. Using the Family Search index to search Norfolk PRs shows up some weak transcribing. Not as bad as Ancestry though. Rosie On 29/01/2016 22:58, Rosemary Jones via wrote: > FamilySearch has the unindexed images of the parish registers, archdeacons > transcripts and bishops transcripts for about 80% of the parishes. It may > even be more ... that's just a wild guess on my part gathered from my > extensive use of them. > > FreeReg has an extension collection of transcripts. > > Since FreeREG and FamilySearch are free I'ld use them first. > > On Fri, Jan 29, 2016 at 4:32 PM, Mike Fry via <norfolk@rootsweb.com> wrote: > >> On 29 Jan 2016 9:56 PM, Jan Rockett via wrote: >> >>> Can anyone tell me whether the Norfolk records on Find My Past, The >>> Genealogist and Family Search are any different please? >> Don't forget the transcriptions on FreeREG >> >> -- >> Regards, >> Mike Fry >> Johannesburg >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

On 29 Jan 2016 9:56 PM, Jan Rockett via wrote: > Can anyone tell me whether the Norfolk records on Find My Past, The > Genealogist and Family Search are any different please? Don't forget the transcriptions on FreeREG -- Regards, Mike Fry Johannesburg

Yes i am aware of that, I wondered if FMP or Genealogist had different ones. Sent from my Samsung Galaxy Tab Rosemary Jones via <norfolk@rootsweb.com> wrote: FamilySearch has the unindexed images of the parish registers, archdeacons transcripts and bishops transcripts for about 80% of the parishes. It may even be more ... that's just a wild guess on my part gathered from my extensive use of them. FreeReg has an extension collection of transcripts. Since FreeREG and FamilySearch are free I'ld use them first. On Fri, Jan 29, 2016 at 4:32 PM, Mike Fry via <norfolk@rootsweb.com> wrote: > On 29 Jan 2016 9:56 PM, Jan Rockett via wrote: > > > Can anyone tell me whether the Norfolk records on Find My Past, The > > Genealogist and Family Search are any different please? > > Don't forget the transcriptions on FreeREG > > -- > Regards, > Mike Fry > Johannesburg > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi All Does anybody know of a major John Humphrys. He was from Norfolk born in the 1700s he was in the battle of Nile and Copenhagen. With nelson. I would like to know when he was born etc. He moved to Ireland strabane in 1830s and was a land agent for the earl of Wicklow. Jeremy

Can anyone tell me whether the Norfolk records on Find My Past, The Genealogist and Family Search are any different please? Jan

FamilySearch has the unindexed images of the parish registers, archdeacons transcripts and bishops transcripts for about 80% of the parishes. It may even be more ... that's just a wild guess on my part gathered from my extensive use of them. FreeReg has an extension collection of transcripts. Since FreeREG and FamilySearch are free I'ld use them first. On Fri, Jan 29, 2016 at 4:32 PM, Mike Fry via <norfolk@rootsweb.com> wrote: > On 29 Jan 2016 9:56 PM, Jan Rockett via wrote: > > > Can anyone tell me whether the Norfolk records on Find My Past, The > > Genealogist and Family Search are any different please? > > Don't forget the transcriptions on FreeREG > > -- > Regards, > Mike Fry > Johannesburg > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi, I had this reply from GRO which is very interesting and useful . So I will cut and paste it in its entirety . All births, deaths and marriages should be recorded with the local register office were the event occurred, this record will then be stored with us here at the GRO. If the deceased is unknown it is usually the coroner that will register the death with the local office stating whatever information about the deceased they have. However it has been known that if the coroner has insufficient information then the death would not be registered. If the deceased is unknown it will be entered on the death certificate as unknown. The coroner may then give an approx. age, the address as to where the death occurred and the cause of death. I hope this information helps --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

Hi , the death cert arrived this morning and is brief and pretty sad. It is my old boy and he died at Greenwich Infirmary aka 48 Vanbrugh Hill, Lewisham , in Dec 1920 , of chronic pancreatitis , which the NHS site says is caused by long term alcohol misuse . He is still calling himself of 9 Osborne place, surveyor , and I presume would have been buried in the nearest pauper grave . That is the next line of research . Thanks to all . --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

My Gt Grandfather George Chapman lived in Admiralty Road Gt Yarmouth. On November 29th 1891 he left home in the evening to go for a walk and was never seen again. He was aged 74 and there is a good description of his appearance in the Eastern Daily Press of December 1st in a short section "Yarmouth Missing". His body was never found and no death certificate has ever been issued. Three years after this his wife died and she is described as the widow of George Chapman and a year later the powers to be assumed he was dead and his will was granted to his eldest son. So despite much detailed research in many avenues nothing has been resolved - so a real mystery. The weather at the time was very wild and stormy so there is a possible solution - if he happened to be on the pier a wave could have overwhelmed him and carried his body out to sea I have been told that the currants in the area are very strong a long way out. Margaret Williams (Melbourne Aust)

Thanks Jean Sent from my iPad > On 21 Jan 2016, at 8:44 PM, Jean Greenwood via <norfolk@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > Free Weekend 22 - 25 Jan > > see > http://blog.eogn.com/2016/01/20/findmypast-offers-the-1939-register-and-a-free-weekend/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Free Weekend 22 - 25 Jan see http://blog.eogn.com/2016/01/20/findmypast-offers-the-1939-register-and-a-free-weekend/

In Australia my great great grandfather vanished and no one could find him in 1886. When his wife died in 1918 she was registered as a widow of many years so we knew he was dead, just not how or where the death had occurred. I found a certificate for unknown male washed up in Wentworth , N.S.W. Checked the Police Gazette in South Australia as they had published a missing person report 6 weeks before the body was found and found him there with a correction from unknown male to Robert Edwards and classed as suicide. He was employed by a South Australian River Boat Company, fell or jumped off boat in Victorian water but washed up other side of river on New South Wales Side. He remained a problem for all his life it seems. Do police gazettes exist in the Uk? Perhaps you could try those if they do. Cheers, Rhonda Williams Sent from my iPad

On Mon, 18 Jan 2016 16:39:27 -0000 <elizgh@btinternet.com> wrote: Hello elizgh@btinternet.com, >listers, I will give female/male as a surname a go and see if I can >find To avoid misunderstandings (and my poor typing and editing skills); That should be either 'male' or 'female', not male/female. It should also be entered as first name, not surname as I stated. 'Unknown' should be entered as surname. -- Regards _ / ) "The blindingly obvious is / _)rad never immediately apparent" You're the psychotic daughter of a psychotic mother Pure Mania - The Vibrators

On Mon, 18 Jan 2016 15:37:30 -0000 elizgh via <norfolk@rootsweb.com> wrote: Hello elizgh, >Does GRO have a list of unknowns died in whatever registration >district ? Any help would be much appreciated . Yes; Search for female/male as surname to find unidentified bodies. -- Regards _ / ) "The blindingly obvious is / _)rad never immediately apparent" I hope I live to relive the days gone by Old Before I Die - Robbie Williams

Hi Eliz If you search the GRO index you will find over 400 deaths registered for "Unknown" in 1920 Of those 250 were male Unknown Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 18/01/2016 15:37, elizgh via wrote: > Hi, this is not Norfolk specific , but I wondered if anyone on the > list would know , having a huge coastline and rivers and broads and > fens, what would happen in 1920 to a dead body discovered drowned or > in the street just died of hypothermia ? Pre DNA , pre computer > generated images .........How would such a death , if no > identification was made , be registered ??? Does GRO have a list of > unknowns died in whatever registration district ? Any help would be > much appreciated . --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus