In regard to your request, I am getting a bit confused as to which generation is which, and also when you believe your Maude emigrated. From what you have written I assume you have one or maybe two Canadian marriage certificates, and if you could supply more details of what is on those certificates (under each and every entry) it would help. Have you found any potential emigration records. In regard to the family you have identified in Norfolk, I can at least supply some more details. (some of this agrees with Rosemary, but I had typed most of it by the time her mail came in). Note that the 1911 census indicates 5 children, all still living - none died, so this should be all the children. James TAYLOR FreeBMD birth entry: JUN 1851, Wayland R.D., Norfolk 1861 census RG9/1238/67/25 - Watton Road, Griston, Norfolk, age 9, Scholar, born Watton, Norfolk, with parents John TAYLOR and Susan, and rest of family. 1871 census RG10/1842/67/25 - Griston, Norfolk, age 20, Blacksmith, born Watton, Norfolk, with parents John TAYLOR and Susan, and other family members. FreeBMD marriage entry: MAR 1880, James TAYLOR and Rosa BARNES, Wayland R.D., Norfolk 1881 census RG11/1875/63/25 - Watton Road, Griston, Norfolk, now married, age 30, Blacksmith, born Watton, Norfolk 1891 census RG12/1575/53/9 - Street, Sporle with Palgrave, Norfolk, age 41, Blacksmith, born Watton, Norfolk 1901 census RG13/1897/14/19 - Little London Cottages, Sporle with Palgrave, Norfolk, age 49, Blacksmith, worker, born Watton, Norfolk 1911 census RG14/11697/37 - Sporle, Swaffham, Norfolk, age 59, Blacksmith on farm, worker, born Watton, Norfolk FreeBMD death entry: MAR 1920, age 69, Wayland R.D., Norfolk Rosa (or Rose) TAYLOR late BARNES FreeBMD birth entry: SEP 1851, Wayland R.D., Norfolk 1881 census RG11/1875/63/25 - Watton Road, Griston, Norfolk, age 29, born Caston, Norfolk 1891 census RG12/1575/53/9 - Street, Sporle with Palgrave, Norfolk, age 40, born Caston, Norfolk 1901 census RG13/1897/14/19 - Little London Cottages, Sporle with Palgrave, Norfolk, age 48, born Caston, Norfolk 1911 census RG14/11697/37 - Sporle, Swaffham, Norfolk, age 50, born Caston, Norfolk FreeBMD death entry: MAR 1939, age 87, Wayland R.D., Norfolk Horace James TAYLOR FreeBMD birth entry: DEC 1880, Wayland R.D., Norfolk 1881 census RG11/1875/63/25 - Watton Road, Griston, Norfolk, age 5 months, born Griston, Norfolk 1891 census RG12/1575/53/9 - Street, Sporle with Palgrave, Norfolk, age 10, Scholar, born Griston, Nofolk 1901 census RG13/1897/14/19 - Little London Cottages, Sporle with Palgrave, Norfolk, age 20, Blacksmith, worker, born Griston, Norfolk 1911 census RG14/11697/75 - Sporle, Swaffham, Norfolk, age 29, Blacksmith on farm, worker, born Griston, Norfolk married to Emma Susan, age 32 born in Sporle, Norfolk, married 9 years with 3 children of which 2 still living (4 children of which 3 still living crossed out) - children are Harry James TAYLOR, age 7, and Bessie TAYLOR, age 1, both born in Sporle, Norfolk 1939 register, Wagon and Horses Inn, Griston, Norfolk, b. 17 OCT 1880, Blacksmith, married, also in household, Emma S. TAYLOR, b. 4 FEB 1878, Unpaid domestic duties, married, Harry J. TAYLOR, b. 24/06/1903, Blacksmith, not married, Mary A. GREEN, b. 20 NOV 1870, Incapacitated, marital status indistinct. Only likely FreeBMD marriage entry I could find was DEC 1931, in Swaffham R.D., Norfolk. FreeBMD death entry: DEC 1954, age 74, Wayland R.D., Norfolk Alice Maud TAYLOR FreeBMD birth entry: DEC 1882, Wayland R.D., Norfolk 1891 census RG12/1575/53/9 - Street, Sporle with Palgrave, Norfolk, age 8, Scholar, born Griston, Norfolk 1901 census RG13/1897/14/19 - Little London Cottages, Sporle with Palgrave, Norfolk, age 18, born Griston, Norfolk FreeBMD marriage entry: DEC 1906, John Charles BIRCH and Alice Maud TAYLOR, Swaffham R.D., Norfolk 1911 census RG14/11697/137 - Sporle, Swaffham, Norfolk, age 28, born Griston, Norfolk, married to John Charles BIRCH, age 29, Vermin killer on farm, worker, born Castleacre, Norfolk, married 4 years with 2 children, both still living - children Gladys Mary BIRCH, age 4, born Sporle, Norfolk and Doris Maud BIRCH, age 2 months, born Sporle, Norfolk possible FreeBMD death entry: JUN 1945, age 62, E. Dereham R.D., Norfolk Maud Adelaide TAYLOR FreeBMD birth entry: MAR 1885, Wayland R.D., Norfolk 1891 census RG12/1575/53/9 - Street, Sporle with Palgrave, Norfolk, age 6, Scholar, born Griston, Norfolk not located 1901 census not located 1911 census There are some entries in FreeBMD and Findmypast you need to eliminate - death of a Maud A TAYLOR age 77 in MAR 1960, North Walsham R.D. - death of a Maud A TAYLOR in 1975 in Eastbourne, Sussex - marriage of a Maud A TAYLOR to James P DADY in DEC 1945, Wayland R.D. Florence Mabel CROOKS late TAYLOR FreeBMD birth entry: MAR 1889, Wayland R.D., Norfolk 1891 census RG12/1575/53/9 - Street, Sporle with Palgrave, Norfolk, age 2, birthplace not listed 1901 census RG13/1897/14/19 - Little London Cottages, Sporle with Palgrave, Norfolk, age 12, born Griston, Norfolk not found 1911 census FreeBMD marriage entry: SEP 1918, Charles H. CROOKS and Florence M. TAYLOR, Swaffham R.D., Norfolk 1939 register, Pedlars Grove, Swaffham, Norfolk, b. 16 NOV 1891, Unpaid domestic duties, and married, also in household Charles H. CROOKS, b. 17 JUL 1895, Butchers salesman, and married, and Dorothy CROOKS (replaced by CHAPMAN), b. 29 MAY 1916, Shop assistant boots and shoes, not married, and one redacted. FreeBMD death entry: SEP 1956, age 64, Wayland R.D., Norfolk Ethel May INGRAM late TAYLOR Could not find birth entry on FreeBMD 1901 census RG13/1897/14/19 - Little London Cottages, Sporle with Palgrave, Norfolk, age 6, born Sporle, Norfolk 1911 census RG14/11697/37 - Sporle, Swaffham, Norfolk, age 16, born Sporle, Norfolk FreeBMD marriage entry: DEC 1919, James W. J. INGRAM and Ethel M. TAYLOR, Swaffham R.D., Norfolk 1939 register, The Street, Swaffham, Norfolk, b. 9 FEB 1895, Household duties, married, also in household James W. INGRAM, b. 16 MAY 1893, Smallholder, married, and Kathleen INGRAM (replaced by ALCOCK), b. 14 MAY 1941, Drapers assistant, not married, and 2 redacted. Did not find death entry You should be able to use FreeBMD to find the children of the above, and I would suggest using the probate calendar at https://probatesearch.service.gov.uk/#wills to get more details if you know the year of death. I can send you the census and 1939 register images if you like, but be prepared for some large files in your inbox. regards Keith Drage On 18-Mar-16 3:44 PM, jennifer via wrote: > Hello All, > > I am having a bit of a dilemma trying to figure out who is who in my g-grandmother's family. (Actually, which is my actual ggrandmother!!) > > Parents: > James Taylor - B 26 March 1853 - Watton, Norfolk > Rosa Barnes - B July 1851 - Caston, Norfolk > Married March 1880 > > Children: > Horace James - B October 1880 - Wayland, Norfolk - Christening - 16 November 1880 > Alice Maud - B October 1882 - Griston, Norfolk - Christening - 26 November 1882 > Maude Adelaide - B January 1885 - Griston, Norfolk - Christening 30 March 1885 > Florence Mabel - B - ? - Christening 30 December 1888 (FreeBMD has Birth as 1st quarter of 1889)in Griston, Norfolk > Ethel May - B Sprole with Palgrave 1895 - Christening ?? > > Not sure if there are any other children as there seems to be a large gap between the ages. > > the marriage certificate I have for my ggrandparents says Maud Taylor & A11en Simmons - Horsham, Suffolk > > Confusion is which Maud(e) married Allen Simmons - as it appears to be a lie as to birth year because allen was 1893 and Maud(e) says 1892 - and also her middle name to be Agnes > > I can not find a marriage for Alice Maud, Florence or Ethel. > > I am 99% sure I have the correct Taylors as the marriage certificate says parents James Taylor & Rosa Barnes and the death certificate here in Ontario, Canada says the same parents. > > Any help trying to sort out which Maud is the correct one as my ggrandmother would be appreciated. > > Thanking all in Advance, > > > Jennifer R. Burrell > Burlington, ON > L7L 6S4 > Cell:289-838-4626 > Fax: 905-331-1431 > Email: jennifer@printme.ca > > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

The Taylor- Simmons marriage on FBMD is in Horsham Sussex not Suffolk . On the 1911 Maud appears to be a servant in Bracon Ash and dob is around 1886. This may account for her being in Sussex to get married but I have been unable to spot Allen Simmons for certain on Ancestry. There is a Florence M Taylor marriage 1918 Swaffham which is adjacent to Sporle where they were living in 1911 and is also the name of the registration district. ( Free BMD) Ethel M Taylor marriage also Swaffham 1919 Free BMD. May not be the right ones of course but all the names you give including Horace seem to be living in Sporle with a James and Rose Taylor from Watton/Griston etc. There is also a marriage for an Alice M Taylor Swaffham 1906 . Alice Maud is with James and Rose Taylor at Sporle on the 1901 so my original idea that one Maud had been named for a deceased sister does not seem to apply ( I have this happening in my tree) So maybe your ancestors liked the name Maud-my great grandmother had sisters who shared first and second names, I think they ran out of ideas after six. I see Ancestry has an Allen H Simmons marriage record Ontario but I do not have the sub to look at that entry . The only solution I can think of, as you have those names on a death certificate, if you cannot find any other Rosa Barnes and James Taylors marriages, is that your Maud married someone rather younger and rounded down her age. Rosie On 18/03/2016 16:59, Rosemary Jones via wrote: > Jennifer, > > Could she have been married before and "fibbed" about being single when she > married? > > Just a thought, > > Rosemary > > On Fri, Mar 18, 2016 at 10:44 AM, jennifer via <norfolk@rootsweb.com> wrote: > >> Hello All, >> >> I am having a bit of a dilemma trying to figure out who is who in my >> g-grandmother's family. (Actually, which is my actual ggrandmother!!) >> >> Parents: >> James Taylor - B 26 March 1853 - Watton, Norfolk >> Rosa Barnes - B July 1851 - Caston, Norfolk >> Married March 1880 >> >> Children: >> Horace James - B October 1880 - Wayland, Norfolk - Christening - 16 >> November 1880 >> Alice Maud - B October 1882 - Griston, Norfolk - Christening - 26 November >> 1882 >> Maude Adelaide - B January 1885 - Griston, Norfolk - Christening 30 March >> 1885 >> Florence Mabel - B - ? - Christening 30 December 1888 (FreeBMD has Birth >> as 1st quarter of 1889)in Griston, Norfolk >> Ethel May - B Sprole with Palgrave 1895 - Christening ?? >> >> Not sure if there are any other children as there seems to be a large gap >> between the ages. >> >> the marriage certificate I have for my ggrandparents says Maud Taylor & >> A11en Simmons - Horsham, Suffolk >> >> Confusion is which Maud(e) married Allen Simmons - as it appears to be a >> lie as to birth year because allen was 1893 and Maud(e) says 1892 - and >> also her middle name to be Agnes >> >> I can not find a marriage for Alice Maud, Florence or Ethel. >> >> I am 99% sure I have the correct Taylors as the marriage certificate says >> parents James Taylor & Rosa Barnes and the death certificate here in >> Ontario, Canada says the same parents. >> >> Any help trying to sort out which Maud is the correct one as my >> ggrandmother would be appreciated. >> >> Thanking all in Advance, >> >> >> Jennifer R. Burrell >> Burlington, ON >> L7L 6S4 >> Cell:289-838-4626 >> Fax: 905-331-1431 >> Email: jennifer@printme.ca >> >> >> >> --- >> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you Rosie, Yes I made a typo in regards to the marriage of Taylor - Simmons I do have the marriage record for Allen in Ontario - it was to his second wife, my grandmother's step mother. (Having a newborn and 2 young girls under 5 probably forced him to remarry right away - neither had family here in Canada to help out). I think my ggrandmother must be Maude Adelaide, and she lied about her age when she met and married Allen. (It would appear she was already pregnant with my grandmother when they married - and very pregnant when they immigrated to Canada) I think you may be right about liking the name Maud - but funny they spelt it differently with each. One was a Maud, the other a Maude. It isn't a name that appears in the tree prior or after., so not a family name passed down. Thanks for the info on the other marriages, I will investigate those. Cheers for now, Jennifer R. Burrell Print Media Consulting 2040 Broadleaf Cres., Burlington, ON L7L 6S4 Tel: 905-331-0564 Cell:289-838-4626 Fax: 905-331-1431 Email: jennifer@printme.ca -----Original Message----- From: norfolk-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:norfolk-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of xpn11 via Sent: March-18-16 4:18 PM To: Rosemary Jones; norfolk@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NFK] Taylor Family - Griston Norfolk The Taylor- Simmons marriage on FBMD is in Horsham Sussex not Suffolk . On the 1911 Maud appears to be a servant in Bracon Ash and dob is around 1886. This may account for her being in Sussex to get married but I have been unable to spot Allen Simmons for certain on Ancestry. There is a Florence M Taylor marriage 1918 Swaffham which is adjacent to Sporle where they were living in 1911 and is also the name of the registration district. ( Free BMD) Ethel M Taylor marriage also Swaffham 1919 Free BMD. May not be the right ones of course but all the names you give including Horace seem to be living in Sporle with a James and Rose Taylor from Watton/Griston etc. There is also a marriage for an Alice M Taylor Swaffham 1906 . Alice Maud is with James and Rose Taylor at Sporle on the 1901 so my original idea that one Maud had been named for a deceased sister does not seem to apply ( I have this happening in my tree) So maybe your ancestors liked the name Maud-my great grandmother had sisters who shared first and second names, I think they ran out of ideas after six. I see Ancestry has an Allen H Simmons marriage record Ontario but I do not have the sub to look at that entry . The only solution I can think of, as you have those names on a death certificate, if you cannot find any other Rosa Barnes and James Taylors marriages, is that your Maud married someone rather younger and rounded down her age. Rosie On 18/03/2016 16:59, Rosemary Jones via wrote: > Jennifer, > > Could she have been married before and "fibbed" about being single > when she married? > > Just a thought, > > Rosemary > > On Fri, Mar 18, 2016 at 10:44 AM, jennifer via <norfolk@rootsweb.com> wrote: > >> Hello All, >> >> I am having a bit of a dilemma trying to figure out who is who in my >> g-grandmother's family. (Actually, which is my actual ggrandmother!!) >> >> Parents: >> James Taylor - B 26 March 1853 - Watton, Norfolk Rosa Barnes - B July >> 1851 - Caston, Norfolk Married March 1880 >> >> Children: >> Horace James - B October 1880 - Wayland, Norfolk - Christening - 16 >> November 1880 Alice Maud - B October 1882 - Griston, Norfolk - >> Christening - 26 November >> 1882 >> Maude Adelaide - B January 1885 - Griston, Norfolk - Christening 30 >> March >> 1885 >> Florence Mabel - B - ? - Christening 30 December 1888 (FreeBMD has >> Birth as 1st quarter of 1889)in Griston, Norfolk Ethel May - B Sprole >> with Palgrave 1895 - Christening ?? >> >> Not sure if there are any other children as there seems to be a large >> gap between the ages. >> >> the marriage certificate I have for my ggrandparents says Maud Taylor >> & A11en Simmons - Horsham, Suffolk >> >> Confusion is which Maud(e) married Allen Simmons - as it appears to >> be a lie as to birth year because allen was 1893 and Maud(e) says >> 1892 - and also her middle name to be Agnes >> >> I can not find a marriage for Alice Maud, Florence or Ethel. >> >> I am 99% sure I have the correct Taylors as the marriage certificate >> says parents James Taylor & Rosa Barnes and the death certificate >> here in Ontario, Canada says the same parents. >> >> Any help trying to sort out which Maud is the correct one as my >> ggrandmother would be appreciated. >> >> Thanking all in Advance, >> >> >> Jennifer R. Burrell >> Burlington, ON >> L7L 6S4 >> Cell:289-838-4626 >> Fax: 905-331-1431 >> Email: jennifer@printme.ca >> >> >> >> --- >> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

Jennifer, Could she have been married before and "fibbed" about being single when she married? Just a thought, Rosemary On Fri, Mar 18, 2016 at 10:44 AM, jennifer via <norfolk@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Hello All, > > I am having a bit of a dilemma trying to figure out who is who in my > g-grandmother's family. (Actually, which is my actual ggrandmother!!) > > Parents: > James Taylor - B 26 March 1853 - Watton, Norfolk > Rosa Barnes - B July 1851 - Caston, Norfolk > Married March 1880 > > Children: > Horace James - B October 1880 - Wayland, Norfolk - Christening - 16 > November 1880 > Alice Maud - B October 1882 - Griston, Norfolk - Christening - 26 November > 1882 > Maude Adelaide - B January 1885 - Griston, Norfolk - Christening 30 March > 1885 > Florence Mabel - B - ? - Christening 30 December 1888 (FreeBMD has Birth > as 1st quarter of 1889)in Griston, Norfolk > Ethel May - B Sprole with Palgrave 1895 - Christening ?? > > Not sure if there are any other children as there seems to be a large gap > between the ages. > > the marriage certificate I have for my ggrandparents says Maud Taylor & > A11en Simmons - Horsham, Suffolk > > Confusion is which Maud(e) married Allen Simmons - as it appears to be a > lie as to birth year because allen was 1893 and Maud(e) says 1892 - and > also her middle name to be Agnes > > I can not find a marriage for Alice Maud, Florence or Ethel. > > I am 99% sure I have the correct Taylors as the marriage certificate says > parents James Taylor & Rosa Barnes and the death certificate here in > Ontario, Canada says the same parents. > > Any help trying to sort out which Maud is the correct one as my > ggrandmother would be appreciated. > > Thanking all in Advance, > > > Jennifer R. Burrell > Burlington, ON > L7L 6S4 > Cell:289-838-4626 > Fax: 905-331-1431 > Email: jennifer@printme.ca > > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello All, I am having a bit of a dilemma trying to figure out who is who in my g-grandmother's family. (Actually, which is my actual ggrandmother!!) Parents: James Taylor - B 26 March 1853 - Watton, Norfolk Rosa Barnes - B July 1851 - Caston, Norfolk Married March 1880 Children: Horace James - B October 1880 - Wayland, Norfolk - Christening - 16 November 1880 Alice Maud - B October 1882 - Griston, Norfolk - Christening - 26 November 1882 Maude Adelaide - B January 1885 - Griston, Norfolk - Christening 30 March 1885 Florence Mabel - B - ? - Christening 30 December 1888 (FreeBMD has Birth as 1st quarter of 1889)in Griston, Norfolk Ethel May - B Sprole with Palgrave 1895 - Christening ?? Not sure if there are any other children as there seems to be a large gap between the ages. the marriage certificate I have for my ggrandparents says Maud Taylor & A11en Simmons - Horsham, Suffolk Confusion is which Maud(e) married Allen Simmons - as it appears to be a lie as to birth year because allen was 1893 and Maud(e) says 1892 - and also her middle name to be Agnes I can not find a marriage for Alice Maud, Florence or Ethel. I am 99% sure I have the correct Taylors as the marriage certificate says parents James Taylor & Rosa Barnes and the death certificate here in Ontario, Canada says the same parents. Any help trying to sort out which Maud is the correct one as my ggrandmother would be appreciated. Thanking all in Advance, Jennifer R. Burrell Burlington, ON L7L 6S4 Cell:289-838-4626 Fax: 905-331-1431 Email: jennifer@printme.ca --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

Thanks again everyone who has made suggestions. We know quite a lot about Elizabeth Blake nee Nicholls. (before 1841) The "Lunatic" Elizabeth Nicholes aged 15 who was also with the Shardalows in 1841 and again in 1851 was the daughter of another sister, Sarah Nicholls and Joseph Watt. She married a Farmer, Joseph Brabben in 1853 and moved to Thurlton. in 1901 she is a retired farmer, a widow from Hales living with her daughter Alice and son in law Fredk Rushmer. She had grandchildren called Cushing. She died in 1910 aged 88. So much for being a lunatic!. http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=kosmoid&id=I17331 I'll look in Suffolk too for a possible remarriage for Elizabeth Blake. I'm impressed by Freereg. Jane

Dear Rosemary and Elizabeth Thank you so much for your information and suggestions. Kind Regards Mary Hart Australia

Hello Listers. The following is my direct line ancestors: John PARRY c1774 - 1849 died Wells; =Susanna WORTLEY 1775-1848 / John PARRY/PERRY1806-c1853 Wells =Jane Jarratt c1809-1881/ Daniel PERRY/PARRY 1839-1897 = Elizabeth SAYER born c 1838 Warham / Easter PERRY 1866-1920 = Thomas James HAWES 1865-1948. I am interested in finding anything about Daniel's wife Elizabeth SAYER born Warham c 1838 according to census. I have found their marriage in 30th Dec 1860 at Wells and found the family in 1861, 1871 and 1881 census, Wells with their children. Elizabeth not with Daniel 1891 census and haven't found a death for her. I would love to make contact with anyone knowing of her. Daniel and Elizabeth are my great great grandparents. Kind Regards Mary Hart Australia

Mary, I recommend you try the Lost Cousins website. I've made some contacts there. http://www.lostcousins.com Rosemary On Wed, Mar 16, 2016 at 2:14 AM, Mary Hart via <norfolk@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Hello Listers. > > The following is my direct line ancestors: > > John PARRY c1774 - 1849 died Wells; =Susanna WORTLEY 1775-1848 / John > PARRY/PERRY1806-c1853 Wells =Jane Jarratt c1809-1881/ Daniel PERRY/PARRY > 1839-1897 = Elizabeth SAYER born c 1838 Warham / Easter PERRY 1866-1920 = > Thomas James HAWES 1865-1948. > > I am interested in finding anything about Daniel's wife Elizabeth SAYER > born Warham c 1838 according to census. I have found their marriage in 30th > Dec 1860 at Wells and found the family in 1861, 1871 and 1881 census, Wells > with their children. Elizabeth not with Daniel 1891 census and haven't > found > a death for her. I would love to make contact with anyone knowing of her. > Daniel and Elizabeth are my great great grandparents. > > Kind Regards > > Mary Hart > > Australia > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

To answer the first question of the poster, I suspect that the death registers are more complete that the birth registers or the marriage registers. The Act from 1836 specified: "And be it Enacted, That every Registrar, immediately upon registering any Death, or as soon thereafter as he shall be required so to do, shall, without fee or reward, deliver to the Person having charge of the Funeral, a Certificate under his hand, according to the Form of Schedule (E.) to this Act annexed, that such Death has been duly registered, and such Certificate shall be delivered by the Person having charge of the Funeral, to the Minister or officiating Person who shall be required to perform any religious service for the burial of the dead body, or to the Person by whose authority the grave or vault shall be dug or opened for the burial of such body, and no dead body shall be buried until such Certificate shall have been so delivered: Provided always, That the Coroner, upon holding any inquest, may order the body to be buried, if he shall think fit, before registry of the death; and shall in such case give a Certificate of his order in writing under his hand, according to the Form of Schedule (F.) to this Act annexed, to the Person having charge of the Funeral, which shall be delivered as aforesaid; and every Person who shall perform any funeral or any religious service for the burial of any dead body, or who shall authorize any grave or vault to be dug or opened for the purpose of burying any dead body therein, until a Certificate shall have been duly made and delivered as aforesaid, shall forfeit and pay any sum not exceeding /Ten/ Pounds for every such offence." So theoretically, unless you registered the death, you could not get rid of the body. (without going into such cases as what if I paid everyone more than ten pounds to ignore it). I would note that in order to register the death, you had to have the body in the first place, and also you have to assume that the person registering the death actually knew the name of the deceased, otherwise they will appear in the index under either unknown or some obscure variant of how they were known. There are known inaccuracies and omissions with the GRO indexes which have been publicly documented so in addition to the other suggestions on this list (subsequent marriage etc.), it may be worth contacting the local registrar (although the current date limits you are have may have a wider range than they are prepared to search). regards Keith Drage Swindon UK On 16-Mar-16 8:23 AM, xpn11 via wrote: > Have you checked Suffolk Jane? Hales is not that far from the border. I > was also wondering whose child is the Elizabeth Nichols ( lunatic) given > as niece of your ancestor's sister on the 1851 and living with her on > both the 1841 and 1851. Is she really the child of Elizabeth's sister or > is there a Nichols brother ( or another sister) somewhere in the area so > that Elizabeth Blake could have ended up living with that person. Are > there any children of the Blake marriage that she might be living with > anywhere-not just in Norfolk. > Rosie. > > On 15/03/2016 21:42, MargM via wrote: >> On 15/03/2016 10:52 PM, Jane Kelly via wrote: >>> Thank you. I will have a look at them. I don't suppose there's a cheaper >>> way of checking besides sending away for each certificate? >>> I had also wondered if she had moved away or emigrated. >>> If it were too easy there'd be no triumph. Some day she will turn up! >>> Her husband Thomas Blake disappeared after 1821 without a trace. >>> >>> >> Hi Jane >> As a general rule of thumb UK death certs dont give much were buried >> info >> >> See >> http://www.sog.org.uk/learn/help-getting-started-with-genealogy/guide-three >> >> Bye >> >> MargM NSW >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

On 15/03/2016 10:52 PM, Jane Kelly via wrote: > Thank you. I will have a look at them. I don't suppose there's a cheaper > way of checking besides sending away for each certificate? > I had also wondered if she had moved away or emigrated. > If it were too easy there'd be no triumph. Some day she will turn up! > Her husband Thomas Blake disappeared after 1821 without a trace. > > Hi Jane As a general rule of thumb UK death certs dont give much were buried info See http://www.sog.org.uk/learn/help-getting-started-with-genealogy/guide-three Bye MargM NSW

Have you checked Suffolk Jane? Hales is not that far from the border. I was also wondering whose child is the Elizabeth Nichols ( lunatic) given as niece of your ancestor's sister on the 1851 and living with her on both the 1841 and 1851. Is she really the child of Elizabeth's sister or is there a Nichols brother ( or another sister) somewhere in the area so that Elizabeth Blake could have ended up living with that person. Are there any children of the Blake marriage that she might be living with anywhere-not just in Norfolk. Rosie. On 15/03/2016 21:42, MargM via wrote: > > On 15/03/2016 10:52 PM, Jane Kelly via wrote: >> Thank you. I will have a look at them. I don't suppose there's a cheaper >> way of checking besides sending away for each certificate? >> I had also wondered if she had moved away or emigrated. >> If it were too easy there'd be no triumph. Some day she will turn up! >> Her husband Thomas Blake disappeared after 1821 without a trace. >> >> > Hi Jane > As a general rule of thumb UK death certs dont give much were buried > info > > See > http://www.sog.org.uk/learn/help-getting-started-with-genealogy/guide-three > > Bye > > MargM NSW > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

II have spent many years trying to find SARAH KERRISON. In a Census transcription , her Place of Birth is written as LINFIELD, which I am sure is in reality SILFIELD, a part of Wymondham. I wonder if any Lister has access to any non-conformist records for Silfield? Sarah Kerrison married Thomas Turner in Wymondham in 1819; a witness was a Stephen Kerrison but no relative of his called Sarah fits the bill. Both describe themselves as from Wymondham in other censuses. Their stated ages suggest that they were born circa 1800. There is, in fact, a Sarah Relison in the Wym Register, which I thought might be a mistake from the Parish Clerk, but there are other Relison refs elsewhere in the Wym records. Family Search has limited records of Congregationalists, Independent church, Society of Friends and Methodists, but the elusive Sarah Is nowhere. If anybody can look up any other records for Silfield, I would be over the moon, but please reply off-line.

Hi Keith A big thank you for all this help. He is a relative to my wife. I now have enough to keep me busy. Cheers Jeremy -----Original Message----- From: "Keith Drage via" <norfolk@rootsweb.com> Sent: ‎09/‎02/‎2016 15:31 To: "norfolk@rootsweb.com" <norfolk@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [NFK] Major john Humphreys The Oxford Dictionary of National Biography entry for Cecil Frances Alexander identifies " John Humphreys, a second lieutenant in the Royal Marines and later brigade major in the Tyrone yeomanry" and "Milltown House, Strabane, co. Tyrone, where Major Humphreys served as agent to the marquess of Abercorn". I would have thought the first line of attack would be to identify any Royal Marine records, for which you will have to visit The National Archives to see (there is virtually nothing online), and which might contain a place of birth. Records you should be looking at: ADM 6/406 Register of Marine officers' commissions, including warrants to Marine Surgeons, Agents, &c.. 1755-1814 Possibly also ADM118/230-336, ADM192 If a service record still exists it should be in ADM196 but this is indexed and he does not appear. See also: http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/help-with-your-research/research-guides/royal-marines-officers/ Have you researched the Tyrone Yeomanry? The Wikipedia page for Cecil Frances Alexander does give a number of references. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cecil_Frances_Alexander Have you researched all of these, and do any of these contain more information on the father? www.thepeerage.com identifies John Humphrey as Deputy Lieutenant (presumably for the county of Tyrone) and gives as a reference for this: Montgomery-Massingberd, Hugh. /Burke's Irish Family Records/. London, U.K.: Burkes Peerage Ltd, 1976 Is there more information here? Another source of information might be the Abercorn family papers, though it is not clear how much survices for this period. See Public Record Office of Northern Ireland. regards Keith Drage Swindon UK On 09/02/2016 13:45, J Dyble via wrote: > He was married in 1818 in Dublin. I do not have any army records just a book saying he was a major in the marrines at Copenhagen 1801. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: "Peter J Richardson via" <norfolk@rootsweb.com> > Sent: ‎09/‎02/‎2016 13:37 > To: "norfolk@rootsweb.com" <norfolk@rootsweb.com> > Subject: Re: [NFK] Major john Humphreys > > Hello Jeremy, > > What do you know already? Do you have his army records? Did he live long > enough to appear on census information? Do you know where he lived after > discharge and where and when he died or have any details of other family > members? > > In other words please give us any clues that already have. > > Regards > Peter > > > -----Original Message----- > From: norfolk-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:norfolk-bounces@rootsweb.com] On > Behalf Of J Dyble via > Sent: Tuesday, February 9, 2016 13:25 > To: norfolk@rootsweb.com > Subject: [NFK] Major john Humphreys > > Hi > > Does anyone know of the birthplace of major john Humphreys born about 1780 > in Norfolk. > > Thx Jeremy > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Incidently, if he was at Copenhagen under Nelson in 1801, he should be listed on the relevant muster book for that quarter at The National Archives, and that should give his place of birth. There were 30 odd ships in Nelson's division, but not all of them would have been large enough to carry any marines - so accomplishing this in a days work might well be possible. Also, once you have one muster book entry you should also be able to work backwards and forwards and trace the rest of his Royal Marines career. Wikipedia and other sources list the ships present at Copenhagen. regards Keith Drage Swindon UK On 09/02/2016 15:31, Keith Drage via wrote: > The Oxford Dictionary of National Biography entry for Cecil Frances > Alexander identifies " John Humphreys, a second lieutenant in the Royal > Marines and later brigade major in the Tyrone yeomanry" and "Milltown > House, Strabane, co. Tyrone, where Major Humphreys served as agent to > the marquess of Abercorn". > > I would have thought the first line of attack would be to identify any > Royal Marine records, for which you will have to visit The National > Archives to see (there is virtually nothing online), and which might > contain a place of birth. > > Records you should be looking at: > > ADM 6/406 > Register of Marine officers' commissions, including warrants to Marine > Surgeons, Agents, &c.. > 1755-1814 > > Possibly also ADM118/230-336, ADM192 > > If a service record still exists it should be in ADM196 but this is > indexed and he does not appear. > > See also: > http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/help-with-your-research/research-guides/royal-marines-officers/ > > Have you researched the Tyrone Yeomanry? > > The Wikipedia page for Cecil Frances Alexander does give a number of > references. > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cecil_Frances_Alexander > > Have you researched all of these, and do any of these contain more > information on the father? > > www.thepeerage.com identifies John Humphrey as Deputy Lieutenant > (presumably for the county of Tyrone) and gives as a reference for this: > > Montgomery-Massingberd, Hugh. /Burke's Irish Family Records/. London, > U.K.: Burkes Peerage Ltd, 1976 > > Is there more information here? > > Another source of information might be the Abercorn family papers, > though it is not clear how much survices for this period. See Public > Record Office of Northern Ireland. > > regards > > Keith Drage > Swindon UK > > > On 09/02/2016 13:45, J Dyble via wrote: >> He was married in 1818 in Dublin. I do not have any army records just a book saying he was a major in the marrines at Copenhagen 1801. >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: "Peter J Richardson via" <norfolk@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: ‎09/‎02/‎2016 13:37 >> To: "norfolk@rootsweb.com" <norfolk@rootsweb.com> >> Subject: Re: [NFK] Major john Humphreys >> >> Hello Jeremy, >> >> What do you know already? Do you have his army records? Did he live long >> enough to appear on census information? Do you know where he lived after >> discharge and where and when he died or have any details of other family >> members? >> >> In other words please give us any clues that already have. >> >> Regards >> Peter >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: norfolk-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:norfolk-bounces@rootsweb.com] On >> Behalf Of J Dyble via >> Sent: Tuesday, February 9, 2016 13:25 >> To: norfolk@rootsweb.com >> Subject: [NFK] Major john Humphreys >> >> Hi >> >> Does anyone know of the birthplace of major john Humphreys born about 1780 >> in Norfolk. >> >> Thx Jeremy >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The Oxford Dictionary of National Biography entry for Cecil Frances Alexander identifies " John Humphreys, a second lieutenant in the Royal Marines and later brigade major in the Tyrone yeomanry" and "Milltown House, Strabane, co. Tyrone, where Major Humphreys served as agent to the marquess of Abercorn". I would have thought the first line of attack would be to identify any Royal Marine records, for which you will have to visit The National Archives to see (there is virtually nothing online), and which might contain a place of birth. Records you should be looking at: ADM 6/406 Register of Marine officers' commissions, including warrants to Marine Surgeons, Agents, &c.. 1755-1814 Possibly also ADM118/230-336, ADM192 If a service record still exists it should be in ADM196 but this is indexed and he does not appear. See also: http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/help-with-your-research/research-guides/royal-marines-officers/ Have you researched the Tyrone Yeomanry? The Wikipedia page for Cecil Frances Alexander does give a number of references. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cecil_Frances_Alexander Have you researched all of these, and do any of these contain more information on the father? www.thepeerage.com identifies John Humphrey as Deputy Lieutenant (presumably for the county of Tyrone) and gives as a reference for this: Montgomery-Massingberd, Hugh. /Burke's Irish Family Records/. London, U.K.: Burkes Peerage Ltd, 1976 Is there more information here? Another source of information might be the Abercorn family papers, though it is not clear how much survices for this period. See Public Record Office of Northern Ireland. regards Keith Drage Swindon UK On 09/02/2016 13:45, J Dyble via wrote: > He was married in 1818 in Dublin. I do not have any army records just a book saying he was a major in the marrines at Copenhagen 1801. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: "Peter J Richardson via" <norfolk@rootsweb.com> > Sent: ‎09/‎02/‎2016 13:37 > To: "norfolk@rootsweb.com" <norfolk@rootsweb.com> > Subject: Re: [NFK] Major john Humphreys > > Hello Jeremy, > > What do you know already? Do you have his army records? Did he live long > enough to appear on census information? Do you know where he lived after > discharge and where and when he died or have any details of other family > members? > > In other words please give us any clues that already have. > > Regards > Peter > > > -----Original Message----- > From: norfolk-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:norfolk-bounces@rootsweb.com] On > Behalf Of J Dyble via > Sent: Tuesday, February 9, 2016 13:25 > To: norfolk@rootsweb.com > Subject: [NFK] Major john Humphreys > > Hi > > Does anyone know of the birthplace of major john Humphreys born about 1780 > in Norfolk. > > Thx Jeremy > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

This is the version that I recall..... thanks for posting.... now back to researching Yarmouth pubs and things. David On 9 February 2016 at 13:32, JGSpenny via <norfolk@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Bold Wolfe > > Youtube has a version of the folk song for anyone interested > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FUW2DXxmzYA > > which is the nearest I can find to the traditional version I know - the > tune slightly different in parts - but there are interesting illiustrations > and map. > > Jean > > On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 10:48 AM, xpn11 via <norfolk@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > > Following up the tidewaiter occupation which involved a marriage by a > > Warren widow, I have this morning after buying some credits discovered > > on FMP newspaper archive the death notice in 1809 of Captain Isaac > > Eylis Warren, my husband's ancestor, in his 73rd year at Warham, The > > item states that he was a volunteer at the siege of Quebec and it was > > his solemn task to support on the Rock and witness Wolfe's last moments. > > Hope this is of interest to any Warren researchers. I will not be likely > > to follow this up myself as it is my husbands project. > > Rosie > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Please note that this e-mail and any files transmitted with it may be privileged, confidential, and protected from disclosure under applicable law. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or an employee or agent responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any reading, dissemination, distribution, copying, or other use of this communication or any of its attachments is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately by replying to this message and then delete this message, any attachments, and all copies and backups from your computer.

His daughter was Cecil Alexander who wrote once in royal David city. -----Original Message----- From: "Peter J Richardson via" <norfolk@rootsweb.com> Sent: ‎09/‎02/‎2016 13:37 To: "norfolk@rootsweb.com" <norfolk@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [NFK] Major john Humphreys Hello Jeremy, What do you know already? Do you have his army records? Did he live long enough to appear on census information? Do you know where he lived after discharge and where and when he died or have any details of other family members? In other words please give us any clues that already have. Regards Peter -----Original Message----- From: norfolk-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:norfolk-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of J Dyble via Sent: Tuesday, February 9, 2016 13:25 To: norfolk@rootsweb.com Subject: [NFK] Major john Humphreys Hi Does anyone know of the birthplace of major john Humphreys born about 1780 in Norfolk. Thx Jeremy ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

He was married in 1818 in Dublin. I do not have any army records just a book saying he was a major in the marrines at Copenhagen 1801. -----Original Message----- From: "Peter J Richardson via" <norfolk@rootsweb.com> Sent: ‎09/‎02/‎2016 13:37 To: "norfolk@rootsweb.com" <norfolk@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [NFK] Major john Humphreys Hello Jeremy, What do you know already? Do you have his army records? Did he live long enough to appear on census information? Do you know where he lived after discharge and where and when he died or have any details of other family members? In other words please give us any clues that already have. Regards Peter -----Original Message----- From: norfolk-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:norfolk-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of J Dyble via Sent: Tuesday, February 9, 2016 13:25 To: norfolk@rootsweb.com Subject: [NFK] Major john Humphreys Hi Does anyone know of the birthplace of major john Humphreys born about 1780 in Norfolk. Thx Jeremy ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message