According to the surname finder there was less than 100 people with that surname in 1881 and 1998. Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lisa Dayley" <girdlestonesrustoo@gmail.com> To: <norfolk@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2016 5:58 AM Subject: [NFK] Slyford-Hunt families > Dear Everybody: > > I wondered if anyone was familiar with the surname Slyford > > My fifth great grandmother was Ursula Slyford born 1688 in Great > Witchingham, Norfolk. > > She married my fifth great-grandfather James Hunt born 20 Oct 1686 in > Hempstead, By Holt Norfolk and died in Norwich in 1743 > > Their daughter my fourth great-grandmother was Sarah Hunt born 15 July > 1725 > Sparham, Norfolk and died Dec 1770. > > Would greatly appreciate any information especially about the surname > Slyford. > > Thanks in Advance > > Lisa Dayley > Rexburg, Idaho > >

Dear Everybody: I wondered if anyone was familiar with the surname Slyford My fifth great grandmother was Ursula Slyford born 1688 in Great Witchingham, Norfolk. She married my fifth great-grandfather James Hunt born 20 Oct 1686 in Hempstead, By Holt Norfolk and died in Norwich in 1743 Their daughter my fourth great-grandmother was Sarah Hunt born 15 July 1725 Sparham, Norfolk and died Dec 1770. Would greatly appreciate any information especially about the surname Slyford. Thanks in Advance Lisa Dayley Rexburg, Idaho

If you want to go into this in detail then there are several specialised books available - it all gets rather complicated. I'd suggest browsing the bookshop on the website of The National Archives for suitable titles. Normally when people say military, they mean army. At this point it is worth saying that the Royal Navy and the Royal Marines have completely different sets of documents and you will need to research that separately. Also officers and soldiers have distinct records, so what follows is for ordinary soldiers. (If he was an officer you should start with various versions of the army list, which lists all officers and their current deployment - also The London Gazette). If you do not know the regiment, then you are generally reliant on documents that got generated as a result of discharge to pension. If they were killed in action, or did not qualify for a pension, or later a proper discharge, then you generally will not find anything. For this you need to search WO 97 and other series, for which the documents are at The National Archives, but which are available on FindMyPast under record set: "British Army Service Records 1760-1915" which contains the following: * Militia service records 1806-1915 (WO96) * Chelsea Pensioners British Army service records 1760-1913 (WO97) * Royal Hospital, Chelsea: pensioners' discharge documents 1760-1887 (WO121) * Royal Hospital, Chelsea: pensioners' discharge documents, foreign regiments 1816-1817 (WO122) * War Office: Imperial Yeomanry, soldiers' documents, South African War 1899-1902 (WO128) * Royal Hospital, Chelsea: documents of soldiers awarded deferred pensions 1838-1896 (WO131) If he was serving up until WWI (unlikely on the dates you have given) then his records may be either in WO363 (only 40% survived WWII bombing) or WO364 which are on both Ancestry and FindMyPast. If he is in none of these, then that does not mean he was not a soldier, just that his service did not create a record in any of these series. It is also worth noting that over the years, the organisation of the "part-time" army has gone through a number of evolutions, so if you ancestor was in these, rather than a full-time soldier, you may find more difficulties. If he was involved in any active service, then he may have accrued medals, for which his name would appear on an appropriate medal roll - you will find listing for Boer War medals online for example. All medal rolls are at TNA and a search on Discovery should provide them. These may well give more specific details of service. In the absence of appearing in the records already listed, you need the name of a regiment, so you can investigate muster rolls, which are quarterly lists of personnel provided for each regiment. Census, parochial, or civil registration records might well identify the regiment (although frequently they will just say things like "soldier"). Your big problem is going to be that the surname you are reseaching is common, and you may well be searching for a record for John Brown omitting the middle name, or J. H. Brown, not giving the full name. Also remember that the army did not validate any of the information appearing on the attestation form, except for the fact that he was fit to serve and had sworn the oath in front of a magistrate. Keith Drage Swindon UK On 18-Apr-16 4:23 PM, Tod Brown via wrote: > Re: John Henry Brown > > My apologies to those who spent so much time trying to find information > about my gf, John Henry Brown. I did not intend for it to generate so > much activity but I should have known, since I know how much the members > of this board love to do research. I was trying to keep it simple and > see if I could find out about some possible military service that my gf > may have been involved in. > > I do know much more about JHB and I have traced him through all of the > censuses from 1871 to 1901 which is where I have lost him. As others > have discovered, he lived in Halvergate while very young and then moved > with his family to Yarmouth where they resided for about 20 years. > Around 1890, the family, with some of the children, moved to Byker, in > Newcastle. I am guessing that it was a result of the decline in boat > building in Yarmouth that precipitated the move. Altogether, Elizabeth > Hannah Howard and Samuel Brown had 13(!) children, the last two born in > Newcastle. The last child, named for the mother, died at birth or > shortly after. The other child born in Newcastle is mid-identified in > some censuses. Her correct name is Isabella Myra. In 1892, John Henry > was recruited by a coal-mining company in Pennsylvania and traveled to > Philadelphia to join workers in the coal fields. He did not last long, > for in 1893 he had met and married his wife, my grandmother, Ellen > Blemmings, who was born in Glaslough, County Monaghan, Ireland, in 1863. > They were married in Philadelphia. The couple returned to the Newcastle > area after their marriage and it was there that my father, John Albert > Brown, was born in 1895. On my father's birth reg it identifies JHB as a > "wire rope maker". By 1901, another child, a daughter, also Ellen, had > been born (1898) and the family was living outside of Bradford and JHB > was a "carter for railway". When JHB and EB were married, JHB identified > himself as a "coachman". In 1902, one more child, Margaret, was born. By > 1909, JHB had abandoned the family and Ellen and the three children had > come to Philadelphia where Ellen's sister was living. Four years later, > in 1913, Ellen died, leaving her unmarried sister, Margaret, to raise > the children. > > JHB may have had a drinking problem, as that is the family lore. My > father clearly was very ashamed of his background and never revealed any > of the circumstances of his arrival in America to me. On the other hand, > he was quite prone to fabricating stories and one of the recurring ones > was that his father was in the military. I have discovered in my journey > to uncover my father's story (and there is quite a lot to it!) that > often times there was a kernel of truth in his tales, hence the query > about his father's military connection. It does not seem likely however, > given what I have found, but you never know. > > In the past, there have been some folks on this board, Ian Layton in > particular, who have helped me enormously in tracing my family back in > Merry Olde. I have made one unforgettable trip to Norfolk and walked > around in the churchyards of Halvergate, Reedham, Wickhampton and > Cantley to visit some of my ancestors. Ian and I visited the grave of > Edward Layton, my third and Ian's fourth great gf in Cantley. Edward and > his first cousin, Sarah Browne, had two illegitimate children, the > second, John, being my gg-gf (hence my surname). You can find some of > Edward's story in the archives of this Board, if you care to. An > interesting genealogical detective story as it were. > > I began my search for my ancestry when my father died in 1988. Until > that time, my knowledge of his lineage was spotty, at best, and often > contradictory due to his fabrications. Until just before he died, he had > maintained that he had been born in Virginia. It was only literally on > his deathbed that he told me one day, quite out of the blue, that he had > been born in England. I realized then that I had to find out and I have > been at it ever since. What I have found has been exciting, > exhilarating, scandalous, puzzling at times and occasionally > heartbreaking, but it is my story and it now can be passed on to my > daughters and their children. What I have discovered has been > life-changing and extremely personal, probably enough to fill a book > (maybe some day). As all of you know, you can only know yourself when > you know where you came from. Thank you all for all your help. > > > > > > On 4/18/2016 3:00 AM, norfolk-request@rootsweb.com wrote: >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. John Henry Brown (Gloria) >> 2. Re: John Henry Brown (Rosie) >> >> >> To contact the NORFOLK list administrator, send an email to >> NORFOLK-admin@rootsweb.com. >> >> To post a message to the NORFOLK mailing list, send an email to NORFOLK@rootsweb.com. >> >> __________________________________________________________ >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com >> with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the >> email with no additional text. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Thanks to Tod for the post about John Henry. Interesting for those of us who are familiar with Halvergate and vicinity. Rosie

Re: John Henry Brown My apologies to those who spent so much time trying to find information about my gf, John Henry Brown. I did not intend for it to generate so much activity but I should have known, since I know how much the members of this board love to do research. I was trying to keep it simple and see if I could find out about some possible military service that my gf may have been involved in. I do know much more about JHB and I have traced him through all of the censuses from 1871 to 1901 which is where I have lost him. As others have discovered, he lived in Halvergate while very young and then moved with his family to Yarmouth where they resided for about 20 years. Around 1890, the family, with some of the children, moved to Byker, in Newcastle. I am guessing that it was a result of the decline in boat building in Yarmouth that precipitated the move. Altogether, Elizabeth Hannah Howard and Samuel Brown had 13(!) children, the last two born in Newcastle. The last child, named for the mother, died at birth or shortly after. The other child born in Newcastle is mid-identified in some censuses. Her correct name is Isabella Myra. In 1892, John Henry was recruited by a coal-mining company in Pennsylvania and traveled to Philadelphia to join workers in the coal fields. He did not last long, for in 1893 he had met and married his wife, my grandmother, Ellen Blemmings, who was born in Glaslough, County Monaghan, Ireland, in 1863. They were married in Philadelphia. The couple returned to the Newcastle area after their marriage and it was there that my father, John Albert Brown, was born in 1895. On my father's birth reg it identifies JHB as a "wire rope maker". By 1901, another child, a daughter, also Ellen, had been born (1898) and the family was living outside of Bradford and JHB was a "carter for railway". When JHB and EB were married, JHB identified himself as a "coachman". In 1902, one more child, Margaret, was born. By 1909, JHB had abandoned the family and Ellen and the three children had come to Philadelphia where Ellen's sister was living. Four years later, in 1913, Ellen died, leaving her unmarried sister, Margaret, to raise the children. JHB may have had a drinking problem, as that is the family lore. My father clearly was very ashamed of his background and never revealed any of the circumstances of his arrival in America to me. On the other hand, he was quite prone to fabricating stories and one of the recurring ones was that his father was in the military. I have discovered in my journey to uncover my father's story (and there is quite a lot to it!) that often times there was a kernel of truth in his tales, hence the query about his father's military connection. It does not seem likely however, given what I have found, but you never know. In the past, there have been some folks on this board, Ian Layton in particular, who have helped me enormously in tracing my family back in Merry Olde. I have made one unforgettable trip to Norfolk and walked around in the churchyards of Halvergate, Reedham, Wickhampton and Cantley to visit some of my ancestors. Ian and I visited the grave of Edward Layton, my third and Ian's fourth great gf in Cantley. Edward and his first cousin, Sarah Browne, had two illegitimate children, the second, John, being my gg-gf (hence my surname). You can find some of Edward's story in the archives of this Board, if you care to. An interesting genealogical detective story as it were. I began my search for my ancestry when my father died in 1988. Until that time, my knowledge of his lineage was spotty, at best, and often contradictory due to his fabrications. Until just before he died, he had maintained that he had been born in Virginia. It was only literally on his deathbed that he told me one day, quite out of the blue, that he had been born in England. I realized then that I had to find out and I have been at it ever since. What I have found has been exciting, exhilarating, scandalous, puzzling at times and occasionally heartbreaking, but it is my story and it now can be passed on to my daughters and their children. What I have discovered has been life-changing and extremely personal, probably enough to fill a book (maybe some day). As all of you know, you can only know yourself when you know where you came from. Thank you all for all your help. On 4/18/2016 3:00 AM, norfolk-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. John Henry Brown (Gloria) > 2. Re: John Henry Brown (Rosie) > > > To contact the NORFOLK list administrator, send an email to > NORFOLK-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the NORFOLK mailing list, send an email to NORFOLK@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > email with no additional text.

Hi Tod They are in Yarmouth on the 1871 but by 1891 they are in Byker Newcastle Upon Tyne Samuel and John Henry are labourers in a shipyard. The enumerator has misrecorded Samuel as being born Harrogate Yorkshire but on the 1871 he is clearly Halvergate, which after all is only a couple of miles or so outside Yarmouth. The rest of the family is correctly recorded. John Henry's bp is given as Yarmouth on the 1891 but Halvergate on the 1871. I could not find John Henry on the 1901 using Norfolk as a birth place . If he was in Byker in the NE of England in 1891, and married there perhaps the records of a regiment from the north of England /Northumbria might be the place to start-National archives online? Rosie On 17/04/2016 17:52, Gloria via wrote: > You obviously know more than you seem willing to reveal. You do know > your grandmother's name? Her birthday? An approximate marriage date > could be derived from children's ages. The Children's names? Their > ages in 1909 when they arrived > > in U.S.? There are many ways to find your information, but references > to what you know would make it much easier to help you. > > > > Freereg.org shows the following > > Field Value > County Norfolk > Place Halvergate > Church name St Peter and St Paul > Register type Bishop's Transcripts > Register entry number 158 > Baptism date 06 Oct 1867 > Birth date 27 Mar 1867 > Person forename John Henry > Person abode Halvergate > Father forename Samuel > Father surname BROWN > Father occupation Labourer > Mother forename Elizabeth Hannah > Mother surname HOWARD > > > On 4/17/2016 12:00 AM, norfolk-request@rootsweb.com wrote: >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Military Records (Tod Brown) >> 2. Re: Military Records (Nivard Ovington) >> 3. Re: Military Records (Our Mail) >> >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

You obviously know more than you seem willing to reveal. You do know your grandmother's name? Her birthday? An approximate marriage date could be derived from children's ages. The Children's names? Their ages in 1909 when they arrived in U.S.? There are many ways to find your information, but references to what you know would make it much easier to help you. Freereg.org shows the following Field Value County Norfolk Place Halvergate Church name St Peter and St Paul Register type Bishop's Transcripts Register entry number 158 Baptism date 06 Oct 1867 Birth date 27 Mar 1867 Person forename John Henry Person abode Halvergate Father forename Samuel Father surname BROWN Father occupation Labourer Mother forename Elizabeth Hannah Mother surname HOWARD On 4/17/2016 12:00 AM, norfolk-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Military Records (Tod Brown) > 2. Re: Military Records (Nivard Ovington) > 3. Re: Military Records (Our Mail) > >

Do I take it you haven't obtained your father's birth certificate Tod? That (and those of his sisters) will show your grandfather's occupation. You may not need to search military records! What was your grandmother's name? John in NSW On 17/04/2016 5:55 AM, Tod Brown via wrote: > Hello All: > > My grandfather, John Henry Brown, b. 27 Mar 1867, Halvergate, Norfolk, > is one of my brick walls. > My father was always rather cryptic about his family (mostly because he > didn't know much) and > it was only after he died that I discovered that JHB had abandoned his > family (wife, his son(my > father)and two daughters sometime prior to 1909. As a result, the > family, sans JHB, came to > Philadelphia in 1909. My father made occasional references to JHB being > in the military, although > I am not sure I should trust the stories. Can someone give me some > guidance on how to search > for any records that might exist for my grandfatherif he was, indeed, in > the military? Any help > would be appreciated. > > Many thanks, > > Tod Brown > Warren, Maine, USA > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Tod First thing I would say is keep an open mind until more comes to light ;-) Its the victor the writes history they say, ie you have one side of the story I had a brief look but with such a common name its not so easy You say they they left these shores in 1909? What names do we have and dates ? Do you have them in the 1901 census ? if so what are the details Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 16/04/2016 20:55, Tod Brown via wrote: > Hello All: > > My grandfather, John Henry Brown, b. 27 Mar 1867, Halvergate, Norfolk, > is one of my brick walls. > My father was always rather cryptic about his family (mostly because he > didn't know much) and > it was only after he died that I discovered that JHB had abandoned his > family (wife, his son(my > father)and two daughters sometime prior to 1909. As a result, the > family, sans JHB, came to > Philadelphia in 1909. My father made occasional references to JHB being > in the military, although > I am not sure I should trust the stories. Can someone give me some > guidance on how to search > for any records that might exist for my grandfatherif he was, indeed, in > the military? Any help > would be appreciated. > > Many thanks, > > Tod Brown > Warren, Maine, USA --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

Hello All: My grandfather, John Henry Brown, b. 27 Mar 1867, Halvergate, Norfolk, is one of my brick walls. My father was always rather cryptic about his family (mostly because he didn't know much) and it was only after he died that I discovered that JHB had abandoned his family (wife, his son(my father)and two daughters sometime prior to 1909. As a result, the family, sans JHB, came to Philadelphia in 1909. My father made occasional references to JHB being in the military, although I am not sure I should trust the stories. Can someone give me some guidance on how to search for any records that might exist for my grandfatherif he was, indeed, in the military? Any help would be appreciated. Many thanks, Tod Brown Warren, Maine, USA

Is this the Middlesex list you're referring to, Charles? http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/ENG/Middlesex_County_UK.html If so, the last message was posted in March. See the 'browse' link at the bottom of that page. Pam On 15 April 2016 at 07:50, Charles Hawker via <norfolk@rootsweb.com> wrote: > I am a member of a number of lists.However I have not received mail from > the > Middlesex list for sometime.I do get an occasional panel appear showing > "Task mail.o2.co.uk-Receiving reported error (0x80040900):The server name > you entered can not be found on the network > The same wording appears but with another ISP I use "tesco net"I continue > to > receive mail from the other lists. > I believe that I am getting this message instead of Middlesex mail and > would > be grateful for any advice any Lister,can provide. > Regards,Charles > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I am a member of a number of lists.However I have not received mail from the Middlesex list for sometime.I do get an occasional panel appear showing "Task mail.o2.co.uk-Receiving reported error (0x80040900):The server name you entered can not be found on the network The same wording appears but with another ISP I use "tesco net"I continue to receive mail from the other lists. I believe that I am getting this message instead of Middlesex mail and would be grateful for any advice any Lister,can provide. Regards,Charles

Hi Just a quick note to say thank you John for your kind words. The fact that we have so many NFK census records available is down to all the hard work of hundreds of volunteers who have contributed to the work over the years. All the help is much appreciated. Best wishes Bev On 9 April 2016 at 19:38, John Seakins via <norfolk@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Congratulations Bev for leading the project towards its > completion, It is greatly appreciated. > John Seakins in New Zealand > > > ----- Original Message Follows ----- >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Norfolk 1891 Census Project Update (Bev Howlett) >> >> >> From: Bev Howlett <bandys@worldonline.co.uk> >> Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2016 16:05:34 +0100 >> Subject: [NFK] Norfolk 1891 Census Project Update >> >> Hi >> I am writing to provide an update on the 1891 census >> project. One further piece has been uploaded to the on >> line database and is now searchable for free on the main >> Freecen site at http://www.freecen.org.uk >> >> This is Piece RG12/1561 Burnham which covers the parishes >> Bagthorpe, Barmer, Barwick, Brancaster, Broomsthorpe, >> Burnham Deepdale, Burnham Norton, Burnham Overy, Burnham >> Sutton, Burnham Thorpe, Burnham Ulph, Burnham Westgate, >> East Rudham, Houghton, North Creake, South Creake, Stanhoe >> , Syderstone >> >> This means that there are now 354,491 (82.7%) 1891 Norfolk >> census records available to search free on line. Many >> thanks to all the volunteers who have kindly given up >> their free time to assist with the project without their >> help this information would not be available. >> >> Please see the main Freecen site or my website (see my >> signature for a link) for details of which pieces are on >> line. >> >> Hope this helps you in your research >> >> Best wishes Bev >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Bev Howlett >> >> FreeCen Co-Ordinator >> >> Norfolk 1861,1871,1891 >> >> Cambridge 1891 >> >> Surrey 1871,1891 >> >> Find Out How To Help >> >> http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/bevsnorfolkinfo/ >> >> http://www.freecen.org.uk >> >> >> To contact the NORFOLK list administrator, send an email >> to NORFOLK-admin@rootsweb.com. >> >> To post a message to the NORFOLK mailing list, send an >> email to NORFOLK@rootsweb.com. >> >> __________________________________________________________ >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word "unsubscribe" >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the >> email with no additional text. >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- Bev Howlett FreeCen Co-Ordinator Norfolk 1861,1871,1891 Cambridge 1891 Surrey 1871,1891 Find Out How To Help http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/bevsnorfolkinfo/ http://www.freecen.org.uk

Congratulations Bev for leading the project towards its completion, It is greatly appreciated. John Seakins in New Zealand ----- Original Message Follows ----- > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Norfolk 1891 Census Project Update (Bev Howlett) > > > From: Bev Howlett <bandys@worldonline.co.uk> > Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2016 16:05:34 +0100 > Subject: [NFK] Norfolk 1891 Census Project Update > > Hi > I am writing to provide an update on the 1891 census > project. One further piece has been uploaded to the on > line database and is now searchable for free on the main > Freecen site at http://www.freecen.org.uk > > This is Piece RG12/1561 Burnham which covers the parishes > Bagthorpe, Barmer, Barwick, Brancaster, Broomsthorpe, > Burnham Deepdale, Burnham Norton, Burnham Overy, Burnham > Sutton, Burnham Thorpe, Burnham Ulph, Burnham Westgate, > East Rudham, Houghton, North Creake, South Creake, Stanhoe > , Syderstone > > This means that there are now 354,491 (82.7%) 1891 Norfolk > census records available to search free on line. Many > thanks to all the volunteers who have kindly given up > their free time to assist with the project without their > help this information would not be available. > > Please see the main Freecen site or my website (see my > signature for a link) for details of which pieces are on > line. > > Hope this helps you in your research > > Best wishes Bev > > > > > > -- > Bev Howlett > > FreeCen Co-Ordinator > > Norfolk 1861,1871,1891 > > Cambridge 1891 > > Surrey 1871,1891 > > Find Out How To Help > > http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/bevsnorfolkinfo/ > > http://www.freecen.org.uk > > > To contact the NORFOLK list administrator, send an email > to NORFOLK-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the NORFOLK mailing list, send an > email to NORFOLK@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word "unsubscribe" > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > email with no additional text. >

Hi I am writing to provide an update on the 1891 census project. One further piece has been uploaded to the on line database and is now searchable for free on the main Freecen site at http://www.freecen.org.uk This is Piece RG12/1561 Burnham which covers the parishes Bagthorpe, Barmer, Barwick, Brancaster, Broomsthorpe, Burnham Deepdale, Burnham Norton, Burnham Overy, Burnham Sutton, Burnham Thorpe, Burnham Ulph, Burnham Westgate, East Rudham, Houghton, North Creake, South Creake, Stanhoe, Syderstone This means that there are now 354,491 (82.7%) 1891 Norfolk census records available to search free on line. Many thanks to all the volunteers who have kindly given up their free time to assist with the project without their help this information would not be available. Please see the main Freecen site or my website (see my signature for a link) for details of which pieces are on line. Hope this helps you in your research Best wishes Bev -- Bev Howlett FreeCen Co-Ordinator Norfolk 1861,1871,1891 Cambridge 1891 Surrey 1871,1891 Find Out How To Help http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/bevsnorfolkinfo/ http://www.freecen.org.uk

This was posted on the NFHS site and I'm sure although it's a small extract it maybe useful to some members of the list. http://findingfolk.org/2016/04/marriage-intentions-recorded-in-aylsham-guardians-minute-books/ Interesting site too. RegardsSerena Woodcock (nee Catchpole)

If it was Norwich and he is the printer it was Mary Berry the cookery writer of BBC British Bake Off fame. It might be available on iplayer catch up in the UK or on You Tube. Goody I have only seen in burials for older or widowed women. I have not come across it in marriages. Goody is a surname found in East Anglia As Underwoods were ten a penny on Timberhill and vicinity in Norwich, enough perhaps to occasion a coincidence of baptismal names rather than a link between Norwich and Lynn and there were plenty of Underwoods in Lynn to provide a maiden name and even cousin name duplication with Berrys I think I would be concentrating on all the Lynn churches. Especially if the earlier Berrys were mariners. This caught my eye because there were / are Berry and Newdick families in the village near KL where I spent part of my childhood. And some of my husband's family lived on and around Clough Lane Lynn . The Middleton near Kings Lynn Berrys might be worth a look to see if they are descended from a left behind Elizabeth Newdick/Berry. Very interesting web site Bob . Rosie On 04/04/2016 16:50, PS via wrote: > I believe C Berry was addressed in one of the Who do you think you are - Uk programs > I've seen so many on YouTube I can't recall which celebrity has him as an ancestor but maybe someone else does > Best > Pam > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Apr 4, 2016, at 2:00 AM, norfolk-request@rootsweb.com wrote: >> >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. BERRY (elizgh@btinternet.com) >> 2. Re: GOODY (Bob Vine) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2016 15:08:40 +0100 >> From: <elizgh@btinternet.com> >> Subject: [NFK] BERRY >> To: <norfolk@rootsweb.com> >> Message-ID: <84B820A2A720468BA5DFCEDA6010FE69@userPC> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> >> Hi again , Christopher Berry is a bankrupt by 1812 according the Norwich Chronicle and various properties are being auctioned to cover his debts . Lot 3 is a comfortable and convenient dwelling house in good repair in the occupation of Mr Christopher Berry , fronting Pottergate St. His widow Mary Berry aged 50, widow of the late Mr Christopher Berry , printer and bookseller died in March 1837, in St Giles Norwich . Earlier in June 1809 there is a further commission for anyone owing money to Christopher Berry , the elder and Robert Rochester , of the city of Norwich , booksellers, stationers, dealer, chapmen and partners, bankrupts , are required to make their payments to the Union Bank. In 1810 the partnership between Christopher and John Berry is dissolved by mutual consent and all payments and debts will be paid and received by Christopher Berry who is carrying on the business . Again in 1809 a notice is put in the Norfolk Ch! > r! >> onicle to state that Christopher Berry , junr, and John Berry , sons of the late John Berry are completely unconnected with the firm of Berry and Rochester , printing and bookselling in Dove Lane Norwich . 1748 is the earliest date in the Britishnewspaperarchive of Christopher Berry and his firm of Booksellers, printers etc. >> >> --- >> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 2 >> Date: Mon, 04 Apr 2016 10:42:50 +1200 >> From: Bob Vine <bob.vine@paradise.net.nz> >> Subject: Re: [NFK] GOODY >> To: elizgh@btinternet.com, norfolk@rootsweb.com >> Message-ID: <004201d18dfa$27b77550$77265ff0$%vine@paradise.net.nz> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >> >> Please have a look at >> http://bobvine.gen.nz/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/ChristopherBerry3LivesPt1.p >> df which shows where the Underwoods come in. What started me on tracing the >> full story were the Baptisms of John Berry on 27 Dec 1802 and Christopher >> Christmas Berry just 18 days later, both with the same parents, same Church. >> The conclusion I came to was that John and Christopher were one and the >> same. This was eventually proven with the discovery of the Marriage of >> "Christopher Christmas Underwood" to Elizabeth Newdick, 6 June 1822, St >> Nicholas, Kings Lynn and the Banns notices which gave "Salmon" his obviously >> adopted mother's maiden name as an alias. QED! >> Freereg has another Underwood connected Baptism: Maria Underwood Berry, >> daughter of Christopher and Margaret, St Nicholas, King's Lynn, 29 January >> 1799. It occurs to me that something catastrophic occurred within the >> Underwood family that must have had some connection to the Berry family. I >> am still working on this one and have in mind a search of Workhouse records. >> >> Cheers >> Bob >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: elizgh@btinternet.com [mailto:elizgh@btinternet.com] >> Sent: Monday, April 4, 2016 1:42 AM >> To: Bob Vine; norfolk@rootsweb.com >> Subject: [NFK] GOODY >> >> Hi , Freereg has the baptism of a >> Christopher Christmas Berry at St Nicholas King`s Lynn on 14th Jan 1803 , >> his birth date is given as 25th Dec 1802 . He is the son of Christopher and >> Elizabeth Berry . Christopher Berry married Elizabeth Salmon in St >> Nicholas King`s Lynn on 23 Jan 1800 , she may have been the dau or sister of >> >> Samuel Salmon who witnesses the marriage . However there is a bapt in St >> Margaret`s King`s Lynn of a John son of Christopher and Elisabeth Berry , >> 27th Dec 1802 . No date of birth is given for this John in the register . >> I am not sure where the Underwoods come in . >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Bob Vine via >> Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2016 6:00 AM >> To: 'Christine Benson' ; norfolk@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [NFK] GOODY >> >> This below might provide an answer to a conundrum that has been bugging me >> for some years now. My target relates to a Christopher Christmas Berry whose >> first Baptism (there were actually 4 which has exacerbated my search) as >> John Christmas Underwood, parents William Underwood and Mary Gooddy, All >> Saints, Norwich 8 January 1797 having been born according to the >> transcription of the Parish Register, 15 December 1796. A later Baptism >> record carries a note "Born Christmas Day". Looking closely at the image >> from the Register there is a strong possibility that the "15" is actually >> "25". Any way that is off the subject. >> It now occurs to me, from that below, that "Gooddy" could be an abbreviation >> for "My Goodwife" and not the surname of his Birth Mother. I have tried to >> verify this from records but have not been able to do find anything that >> provides a true "link". >> The closest I can get to discovery is a Marriage Transcription, Mary >> Ditchfield and William Underwood, Norwich 10 May 1787 through findmypast. >> Is there someone out there please who could provide a link to verify that >> this Mary (Anne) Ditchfield is the mother of John Christmas Underwood? >> My research for C C Berry may be found at http://bobvine.gen.nz/ Thank you >> Bob Judy & Bob's Place >> 11 Ngaio Crescent, Lower Hutt 5010, NEW ZEALAND >> Tel: 64 4 9711192 >> Mobile NZ: +64 21510682 >> Mobile: when in Australia: +61 4523308354 >> Skype: bobvine >> Website: www.bobvine.nz >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Christine Benson [mailto:christinebenson313@btinternet.com] >> Sent: Monday, March 23, 2015 3:34 AM >> To: Norfolk Mailing List >> Subject: Re: [NFK] GOODY >> >> Hi All, >> >> I have always believed it to be an abbreviation of Goodwife and a title like >> Mrs. However, looking for Goody as a forename in Ancestry I found several. >> Some looked as if Goody was given as a surname used as a forename but there >> were several where Goody was the only forename at birth. >> >> So it seems to me that both possibilities exist. >> >> Christine >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> --- >> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> To contact the NORFOLK list administrator, send an email to >> NORFOLK-admin@rootsweb.com. >> >> To post a message to the NORFOLK mailing list, send an email to NORFOLK@rootsweb.com. >> >> __________________________________________________________ >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com >> with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the >> email with no additional text. >> >> >> End of NORFOLK Digest, Vol 11, Issue 37 >> *************************************** > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The episode of WDYTYA you need is the one for Mary Berry, the cookery writer. Glynn http://www.norfolk-tours.co.uk

I have been into this very fully and not jumped to conclusions. Definitely not my Berry subject. Sent from my iPhone > On 4/04/2016, at 2:08 am, <elizgh@btinternet.com> wrote: > > Hi again , Christopher Berry is a bankrupt by 1812 according the Norwich Chronicle and various properties are being auctioned to cover his debts . Lot 3 is a comfortable and convenient dwelling house in good repair in the occupation of Mr Christopher Berry , fronting Pottergate St. His widow Mary Berry aged 50, widow of the late Mr Christopher Berry , printer and bookseller died in March 1837, in St Giles Norwich . Earlier in June 1809 there is a further commission for anyone owing money to Christopher Berry , the elder and Robert Rochester , of the city of Norwich , booksellers, stationers, dealer, chapmen and partners, bankrupts , are required to make their payments to the Union Bank. In 1810 the partnership between Christopher and John Berry is dissolved by mutual consent and all payments and debts will be paid and received by Christopher Berry who is carrying on the business . Again in 1809 a notice is put in the Norfolk Ch! ronicle to state that Christopher Berry , junr, and John Berry , sons of the late John Berry are completely unconnected with the firm of Berry and Rochester , printing and bookselling in Dove Lane Norwich . 1748 is the earliest date in the Britishnewspaperarchive of Christopher Berry and his firm of Booksellers, printers etc. > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus >

I believe C Berry was addressed in one of the Who do you think you are - Uk programs I've seen so many on YouTube I can't recall which celebrity has him as an ancestor but maybe someone else does Best Pam Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 4, 2016, at 2:00 AM, norfolk-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. BERRY (elizgh@btinternet.com) > 2. Re: GOODY (Bob Vine) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2016 15:08:40 +0100 > From: <elizgh@btinternet.com> > Subject: [NFK] BERRY > To: <norfolk@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <84B820A2A720468BA5DFCEDA6010FE69@userPC> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hi again , Christopher Berry is a bankrupt by 1812 according the Norwich Chronicle and various properties are being auctioned to cover his debts . Lot 3 is a comfortable and convenient dwelling house in good repair in the occupation of Mr Christopher Berry , fronting Pottergate St. His widow Mary Berry aged 50, widow of the late Mr Christopher Berry , printer and bookseller died in March 1837, in St Giles Norwich . Earlier in June 1809 there is a further commission for anyone owing money to Christopher Berry , the elder and Robert Rochester , of the city of Norwich , booksellers, stationers, dealer, chapmen and partners, bankrupts , are required to make their payments to the Union Bank. In 1810 the partnership between Christopher and John Berry is dissolved by mutual consent and all payments and debts will be paid and received by Christopher Berry who is carrying on the business . Again in 1809 a notice is put in the Norfolk Ch! r! > onicle to state that Christopher Berry , junr, and John Berry , sons of the late John Berry are completely unconnected with the firm of Berry and Rochester , printing and bookselling in Dove Lane Norwich . 1748 is the earliest date in the Britishnewspaperarchive of Christopher Berry and his firm of Booksellers, printers etc. > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 04 Apr 2016 10:42:50 +1200 > From: Bob Vine <bob.vine@paradise.net.nz> > Subject: Re: [NFK] GOODY > To: elizgh@btinternet.com, norfolk@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <004201d18dfa$27b77550$77265ff0$%vine@paradise.net.nz> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Please have a look at > http://bobvine.gen.nz/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/ChristopherBerry3LivesPt1.p > df which shows where the Underwoods come in. What started me on tracing the > full story were the Baptisms of John Berry on 27 Dec 1802 and Christopher > Christmas Berry just 18 days later, both with the same parents, same Church. > The conclusion I came to was that John and Christopher were one and the > same. This was eventually proven with the discovery of the Marriage of > "Christopher Christmas Underwood" to Elizabeth Newdick, 6 June 1822, St > Nicholas, Kings Lynn and the Banns notices which gave "Salmon" his obviously > adopted mother's maiden name as an alias. QED! > Freereg has another Underwood connected Baptism: Maria Underwood Berry, > daughter of Christopher and Margaret, St Nicholas, King's Lynn, 29 January > 1799. It occurs to me that something catastrophic occurred within the > Underwood family that must have had some connection to the Berry family. I > am still working on this one and have in mind a search of Workhouse records. > > Cheers > Bob > > -----Original Message----- > From: elizgh@btinternet.com [mailto:elizgh@btinternet.com] > Sent: Monday, April 4, 2016 1:42 AM > To: Bob Vine; norfolk@rootsweb.com > Subject: [NFK] GOODY > > Hi , Freereg has the baptism of a > Christopher Christmas Berry at St Nicholas King`s Lynn on 14th Jan 1803 , > his birth date is given as 25th Dec 1802 . He is the son of Christopher and > Elizabeth Berry . Christopher Berry married Elizabeth Salmon in St > Nicholas King`s Lynn on 23 Jan 1800 , she may have been the dau or sister of > > Samuel Salmon who witnesses the marriage . However there is a bapt in St > Margaret`s King`s Lynn of a John son of Christopher and Elisabeth Berry , > 27th Dec 1802 . No date of birth is given for this John in the register . > I am not sure where the Underwoods come in . > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bob Vine via > Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2016 6:00 AM > To: 'Christine Benson' ; norfolk@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [NFK] GOODY > > This below might provide an answer to a conundrum that has been bugging me > for some years now. My target relates to a Christopher Christmas Berry whose > first Baptism (there were actually 4 which has exacerbated my search) as > John Christmas Underwood, parents William Underwood and Mary Gooddy, All > Saints, Norwich 8 January 1797 having been born according to the > transcription of the Parish Register, 15 December 1796. A later Baptism > record carries a note "Born Christmas Day". Looking closely at the image > from the Register there is a strong possibility that the "15" is actually > "25". Any way that is off the subject. > It now occurs to me, from that below, that "Gooddy" could be an abbreviation > for "My Goodwife" and not the surname of his Birth Mother. I have tried to > verify this from records but have not been able to do find anything that > provides a true "link". > The closest I can get to discovery is a Marriage Transcription, Mary > Ditchfield and William Underwood, Norwich 10 May 1787 through findmypast. > Is there someone out there please who could provide a link to verify that > this Mary (Anne) Ditchfield is the mother of John Christmas Underwood? > My research for C C Berry may be found at http://bobvine.gen.nz/ Thank you > Bob Judy & Bob's Place > 11 Ngaio Crescent, Lower Hutt 5010, NEW ZEALAND > Tel: 64 4 9711192 > Mobile NZ: +64 21510682 > Mobile: when in Australia: +61 4523308354 > Skype: bobvine > Website: www.bobvine.nz > > -----Original Message----- > From: Christine Benson [mailto:christinebenson313@btinternet.com] > Sent: Monday, March 23, 2015 3:34 AM > To: Norfolk Mailing List > Subject: Re: [NFK] GOODY > > Hi All, > > I have always believed it to be an abbreviation of Goodwife and a title like > Mrs. However, looking for Goody as a forename in Ancestry I found several. > Some looked as if Goody was given as a surname used as a forename but there > were several where Goody was the only forename at birth. > > So it seems to me that both possibilities exist. > > Christine > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the NORFOLK list administrator, send an email to > NORFOLK-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the NORFOLK mailing list, send an email to NORFOLK@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of NORFOLK Digest, Vol 11, Issue 37 > ***************************************