I have not yet read the material via the link but will try to explain a Sluice Rond reed bed. I have no marshmen in my tree but have lived inthe area for a long time-my knowledge of drainage is more of the Fens than the Norfolk broads area so sorry if I miss the mark. First step would be to google Acle and Halvergate marshes and look at the satellite view. The whole area is a former estuary now cut off from the sea by the sand bank on which Yarmouth stands. It is now mostly grazing marsh except fo Breydon water which is a brackish expanse of water and mud with sea lavender etc and home to many wading birds, through which the Yare and Bure exit at Yarmouth. All over the marsh are ditches and drains from which the water is pumped off into the main rivers with pumps-now electric but formerly steam and wind. A sluice allows water in or off or is used to control water levels. A rond, as far as I understand it, is the edge of a waterway which is not sharply defined and can be alongside a river or drain or wider expanse of water. So if you have the river Bure and there is a rond, the bank would not confine the water severely but allow it to spread about abit. Then you would get reeds growing in the damp marsh between main river flow and the bank. So a reed ( ( Phragmites) bed inside the rond where there is a sluice. A sluice rond may have a special meaning I am not aware of though. Norfolk reed is used for thatched roofs. Rosie On 10/05/2016 04:04, Di Feldtmann via wrote: > I found this very interesting readingŠand great research by you. But > could you explain what 'Sluice Rond reed-beds¹ are? > Regards > Di > Dookie > Australia > > > > On 10/05/2016, 7:23 AM, "Ian Layton via" <norfolk-bounces@rootsweb.com on > behalf of norfolk@rootsweb.com> wrote: > >> Here, I hope, is the Dropbox link for Chapter 5: >> >> https://www.dropbox.com/s/7pjgztzpu76i39i/NEW%20Chapter%205%20Edward.docx? >> dl=0 >> >> Good luck! >> >> Ian >> >> On 18 April 2016 at 17:23, Tod Brown via <norfolk@rootsweb.com> wrote: >> >>> Re: John Henry Brown >>> >>> My apologies to those who spent so much time trying to find information >>> about my gf, John Henry Brown. I did not intend for it to generate so >>> much activity but I should have known, since I know how much the members >>> of this board love to do research. I was trying to keep it simple and >>> see if I could find out about some possible military service that my gf >>> may have been involved in. >>> >>> I do know much more about JHB and I have traced him through all of the >>> censuses from 1871 to 1901 which is where I have lost him. As others >>> have discovered, he lived in Halvergate while very young and then moved >>> with his family to Yarmouth where they resided for about 20 years. >>> Around 1890, the family, with some of the children, moved to Byker, in >>> Newcastle. I am guessing that it was a result of the decline in boat >>> building in Yarmouth that precipitated the move. Altogether, Elizabeth >>> Hannah Howard and Samuel Brown had 13(!) children, the last two born in >>> Newcastle. The last child, named for the mother, died at birth or >>> shortly after. The other child born in Newcastle is mid-identified in >>> some censuses. Her correct name is Isabella Myra. In 1892, John Henry >>> was recruited by a coal-mining company in Pennsylvania and traveled to >>> Philadelphia to join workers in the coal fields. He did not last long, >>> for in 1893 he had met and married his wife, my grandmother, Ellen >>> Blemmings, who was born in Glaslough, County Monaghan, Ireland, in 1863. >>> They were married in Philadelphia. The couple returned to the Newcastle >>> area after their marriage and it was there that my father, John Albert >>> Brown, was born in 1895. On my father's birth reg it identifies JHB as a >>> "wire rope maker". By 1901, another child, a daughter, also Ellen, had >>> been born (1898) and the family was living outside of Bradford and JHB >>> was a "carter for railway". When JHB and EB were married, JHB identified >>> himself as a "coachman". In 1902, one more child, Margaret, was born. By >>> 1909, JHB had abandoned the family and Ellen and the three children had >>> come to Philadelphia where Ellen's sister was living. Four years later, >>> in 1913, Ellen died, leaving her unmarried sister, Margaret, to raise >>> the children. >>> >>> JHB may have had a drinking problem, as that is the family lore. My >>> father clearly was very ashamed of his background and never revealed any >>> of the circumstances of his arrival in America to me. On the other hand, >>> he was quite prone to fabricating stories and one of the recurring ones >>> was that his father was in the military. I have discovered in my journey >>> to uncover my father's story (and there is quite a lot to it!) that >>> often times there was a kernel of truth in his tales, hence the query >>> about his father's military connection. It does not seem likely however, >>> given what I have found, but you never know. >>> >>> In the past, there have been some folks on this board, Ian Layton in >>> particular, who have helped me enormously in tracing my family back in >>> Merry Olde. I have made one unforgettable trip to Norfolk and walked >>> around in the churchyards of Halvergate, Reedham, Wickhampton and >>> Cantley to visit some of my ancestors. Ian and I visited the grave of >>> Edward Layton, my third and Ian's fourth great gf in Cantley. Edward and >>> his first cousin, Sarah Browne, had two illegitimate children, the >>> second, John, being my gg-gf (hence my surname). You can find some of >>> Edward's story in the archives of this Board, if you care to. An >>> interesting genealogical detective story as it were. >>> >>> I began my search for my ancestry when my father died in 1988. Until >>> that time, my knowledge of his lineage was spotty, at best, and often >>> contradictory due to his fabrications. Until just before he died, he had >>> maintained that he had been born in Virginia. It was only literally on >>> his deathbed that he told me one day, quite out of the blue, that he had >>> been born in England. I realized then that I had to find out and I have >>> been at it ever since. What I have found has been exciting, >>> exhilarating, scandalous, puzzling at times and occasionally >>> heartbreaking, but it is my story and it now can be passed on to my >>> daughters and their children. What I have discovered has been >>> life-changing and extremely personal, probably enough to fill a book >>> (maybe some day). As all of you know, you can only know yourself when >>> you know where you came from. Thank you all for all your help. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On 4/18/2016 3:00 AM, norfolk-request@rootsweb.com wrote: >>>> >>>> Today's Topics: >>>> >>>> 1. John Henry Brown (Gloria) >>>> 2. Re: John Henry Brown (Rosie) >>>> >>>> >>>> To contact the NORFOLK list administrator, send an email to >>>> NORFOLK-admin@rootsweb.com. >>>> >>>> To post a message to the NORFOLK mailing list, send an email to >>> NORFOLK@rootsweb.com. >>>> __________________________________________________________ >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com >>>> with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the >>> body of the >>>> email with no additional text. >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I found this very interesting readingŠand great research by you. But could you explain what 'Sluice Rond reed-beds¹ are? Regards Di Dookie Australia On 10/05/2016, 7:23 AM, "Ian Layton via" <norfolk-bounces@rootsweb.com on behalf of norfolk@rootsweb.com> wrote: >Here, I hope, is the Dropbox link for Chapter 5: > >https://www.dropbox.com/s/7pjgztzpu76i39i/NEW%20Chapter%205%20Edward.docx? >dl=0 > >Good luck! > >Ian > >On 18 April 2016 at 17:23, Tod Brown via <norfolk@rootsweb.com> wrote: > >> Re: John Henry Brown >> >> My apologies to those who spent so much time trying to find information >> about my gf, John Henry Brown. I did not intend for it to generate so >> much activity but I should have known, since I know how much the members >> of this board love to do research. I was trying to keep it simple and >> see if I could find out about some possible military service that my gf >> may have been involved in. >> >> I do know much more about JHB and I have traced him through all of the >> censuses from 1871 to 1901 which is where I have lost him. As others >> have discovered, he lived in Halvergate while very young and then moved >> with his family to Yarmouth where they resided for about 20 years. >> Around 1890, the family, with some of the children, moved to Byker, in >> Newcastle. I am guessing that it was a result of the decline in boat >> building in Yarmouth that precipitated the move. Altogether, Elizabeth >> Hannah Howard and Samuel Brown had 13(!) children, the last two born in >> Newcastle. The last child, named for the mother, died at birth or >> shortly after. The other child born in Newcastle is mid-identified in >> some censuses. Her correct name is Isabella Myra. In 1892, John Henry >> was recruited by a coal-mining company in Pennsylvania and traveled to >> Philadelphia to join workers in the coal fields. He did not last long, >> for in 1893 he had met and married his wife, my grandmother, Ellen >> Blemmings, who was born in Glaslough, County Monaghan, Ireland, in 1863. >> They were married in Philadelphia. The couple returned to the Newcastle >> area after their marriage and it was there that my father, John Albert >> Brown, was born in 1895. On my father's birth reg it identifies JHB as a >> "wire rope maker". By 1901, another child, a daughter, also Ellen, had >> been born (1898) and the family was living outside of Bradford and JHB >> was a "carter for railway". When JHB and EB were married, JHB identified >> himself as a "coachman". In 1902, one more child, Margaret, was born. By >> 1909, JHB had abandoned the family and Ellen and the three children had >> come to Philadelphia where Ellen's sister was living. Four years later, >> in 1913, Ellen died, leaving her unmarried sister, Margaret, to raise >> the children. >> >> JHB may have had a drinking problem, as that is the family lore. My >> father clearly was very ashamed of his background and never revealed any >> of the circumstances of his arrival in America to me. On the other hand, >> he was quite prone to fabricating stories and one of the recurring ones >> was that his father was in the military. I have discovered in my journey >> to uncover my father's story (and there is quite a lot to it!) that >> often times there was a kernel of truth in his tales, hence the query >> about his father's military connection. It does not seem likely however, >> given what I have found, but you never know. >> >> In the past, there have been some folks on this board, Ian Layton in >> particular, who have helped me enormously in tracing my family back in >> Merry Olde. I have made one unforgettable trip to Norfolk and walked >> around in the churchyards of Halvergate, Reedham, Wickhampton and >> Cantley to visit some of my ancestors. Ian and I visited the grave of >> Edward Layton, my third and Ian's fourth great gf in Cantley. Edward and >> his first cousin, Sarah Browne, had two illegitimate children, the >> second, John, being my gg-gf (hence my surname). You can find some of >> Edward's story in the archives of this Board, if you care to. An >> interesting genealogical detective story as it were. >> >> I began my search for my ancestry when my father died in 1988. Until >> that time, my knowledge of his lineage was spotty, at best, and often >> contradictory due to his fabrications. Until just before he died, he had >> maintained that he had been born in Virginia. It was only literally on >> his deathbed that he told me one day, quite out of the blue, that he had >> been born in England. I realized then that I had to find out and I have >> been at it ever since. What I have found has been exciting, >> exhilarating, scandalous, puzzling at times and occasionally >> heartbreaking, but it is my story and it now can be passed on to my >> daughters and their children. What I have discovered has been >> life-changing and extremely personal, probably enough to fill a book >> (maybe some day). As all of you know, you can only know yourself when >> you know where you came from. Thank you all for all your help. >> >> >> >> >> >> On 4/18/2016 3:00 AM, norfolk-request@rootsweb.com wrote: >> > >> > >> > Today's Topics: >> > >> > 1. John Henry Brown (Gloria) >> > 2. Re: John Henry Brown (Rosie) >> > >> > >> > To contact the NORFOLK list administrator, send an email to >> > NORFOLK-admin@rootsweb.com. >> > >> > To post a message to the NORFOLK mailing list, send an email to >> NORFOLK@rootsweb.com. >> > >> > __________________________________________________________ >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com >> > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the >> body of the >> > email with no additional text. >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

On 10/05/2016, 7:23 AM, "Ian Layton via" <norfolk-bounces@rootsweb.com on behalf of norfolk@rootsweb.com> wrote: >Here, I hope, is the Dropbox link for Chapter 5: > >https://www.dropbox.com/s/7pjgztzpu76i39i/NEW%20Chapter%205%20Edward.docx? >dl=0 > >Good luck! > >Ian > >On 18 April 2016 at 17:23, Tod Brown via <norfolk@rootsweb.com> wrote: > >> Re: John Henry Brown >> >> My apologies to those who spent so much time trying to find information >> about my gf, John Henry Brown. I did not intend for it to generate so >> much activity but I should have known, since I know how much the members >> of this board love to do research. I was trying to keep it simple and >> see if I could find out about some possible military service that my gf >> may have been involved in. >> >> I do know much more about JHB and I have traced him through all of the >> censuses from 1871 to 1901 which is where I have lost him. As others >> have discovered, he lived in Halvergate while very young and then moved >> with his family to Yarmouth where they resided for about 20 years. >> Around 1890, the family, with some of the children, moved to Byker, in >> Newcastle. I am guessing that it was a result of the decline in boat >> building in Yarmouth that precipitated the move. Altogether, Elizabeth >> Hannah Howard and Samuel Brown had 13(!) children, the last two born in >> Newcastle. The last child, named for the mother, died at birth or >> shortly after. The other child born in Newcastle is mid-identified in >> some censuses. Her correct name is Isabella Myra. In 1892, John Henry >> was recruited by a coal-mining company in Pennsylvania and traveled to >> Philadelphia to join workers in the coal fields. He did not last long, >> for in 1893 he had met and married his wife, my grandmother, Ellen >> Blemmings, who was born in Glaslough, County Monaghan, Ireland, in 1863. >> They were married in Philadelphia. The couple returned to the Newcastle >> area after their marriage and it was there that my father, John Albert >> Brown, was born in 1895. On my father's birth reg it identifies JHB as a >> "wire rope maker". By 1901, another child, a daughter, also Ellen, had >> been born (1898) and the family was living outside of Bradford and JHB >> was a "carter for railway". When JHB and EB were married, JHB identified >> himself as a "coachman". In 1902, one more child, Margaret, was born. By >> 1909, JHB had abandoned the family and Ellen and the three children had >> come to Philadelphia where Ellen's sister was living. Four years later, >> in 1913, Ellen died, leaving her unmarried sister, Margaret, to raise >> the children. >> >> JHB may have had a drinking problem, as that is the family lore. My >> father clearly was very ashamed of his background and never revealed any >> of the circumstances of his arrival in America to me. On the other hand, >> he was quite prone to fabricating stories and one of the recurring ones >> was that his father was in the military. I have discovered in my journey >> to uncover my father's story (and there is quite a lot to it!) that >> often times there was a kernel of truth in his tales, hence the query >> about his father's military connection. It does not seem likely however, >> given what I have found, but you never know. >> >> In the past, there have been some folks on this board, Ian Layton in >> particular, who have helped me enormously in tracing my family back in >> Merry Olde. I have made one unforgettable trip to Norfolk and walked >> around in the churchyards of Halvergate, Reedham, Wickhampton and >> Cantley to visit some of my ancestors. Ian and I visited the grave of >> Edward Layton, my third and Ian's fourth great gf in Cantley. Edward and >> his first cousin, Sarah Browne, had two illegitimate children, the >> second, John, being my gg-gf (hence my surname). You can find some of >> Edward's story in the archives of this Board, if you care to. An >> interesting genealogical detective story as it were. >> >> I began my search for my ancestry when my father died in 1988. Until >> that time, my knowledge of his lineage was spotty, at best, and often >> contradictory due to his fabrications. Until just before he died, he had >> maintained that he had been born in Virginia. It was only literally on >> his deathbed that he told me one day, quite out of the blue, that he had >> been born in England. I realized then that I had to find out and I have >> been at it ever since. What I have found has been exciting, >> exhilarating, scandalous, puzzling at times and occasionally >> heartbreaking, but it is my story and it now can be passed on to my >> daughters and their children. What I have discovered has been >> life-changing and extremely personal, probably enough to fill a book >> (maybe some day). As all of you know, you can only know yourself when >> you know where you came from. Thank you all for all your help. >> >> >> >> >> >> On 4/18/2016 3:00 AM, norfolk-request@rootsweb.com wrote: >> > >> > >> > Today's Topics: >> > >> > 1. John Henry Brown (Gloria) >> > 2. Re: John Henry Brown (Rosie) >> > >> > >> > To contact the NORFOLK list administrator, send an email to >> > NORFOLK-admin@rootsweb.com. >> > >> > To post a message to the NORFOLK mailing list, send an email to >> NORFOLK@rootsweb.com. >> > >> > __________________________________________________________ >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com >> > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the >> body of the >> > email with no additional text. >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Here, I hope, is the Dropbox link for Chapter 5: https://www.dropbox.com/s/7pjgztzpu76i39i/NEW%20Chapter%205%20Edward.docx?dl=0 Good luck! Ian On 18 April 2016 at 17:23, Tod Brown via <norfolk@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Re: John Henry Brown > > My apologies to those who spent so much time trying to find information > about my gf, John Henry Brown. I did not intend for it to generate so > much activity but I should have known, since I know how much the members > of this board love to do research. I was trying to keep it simple and > see if I could find out about some possible military service that my gf > may have been involved in. > > I do know much more about JHB and I have traced him through all of the > censuses from 1871 to 1901 which is where I have lost him. As others > have discovered, he lived in Halvergate while very young and then moved > with his family to Yarmouth where they resided for about 20 years. > Around 1890, the family, with some of the children, moved to Byker, in > Newcastle. I am guessing that it was a result of the decline in boat > building in Yarmouth that precipitated the move. Altogether, Elizabeth > Hannah Howard and Samuel Brown had 13(!) children, the last two born in > Newcastle. The last child, named for the mother, died at birth or > shortly after. The other child born in Newcastle is mid-identified in > some censuses. Her correct name is Isabella Myra. In 1892, John Henry > was recruited by a coal-mining company in Pennsylvania and traveled to > Philadelphia to join workers in the coal fields. He did not last long, > for in 1893 he had met and married his wife, my grandmother, Ellen > Blemmings, who was born in Glaslough, County Monaghan, Ireland, in 1863. > They were married in Philadelphia. The couple returned to the Newcastle > area after their marriage and it was there that my father, John Albert > Brown, was born in 1895. On my father's birth reg it identifies JHB as a > "wire rope maker". By 1901, another child, a daughter, also Ellen, had > been born (1898) and the family was living outside of Bradford and JHB > was a "carter for railway". When JHB and EB were married, JHB identified > himself as a "coachman". In 1902, one more child, Margaret, was born. By > 1909, JHB had abandoned the family and Ellen and the three children had > come to Philadelphia where Ellen's sister was living. Four years later, > in 1913, Ellen died, leaving her unmarried sister, Margaret, to raise > the children. > > JHB may have had a drinking problem, as that is the family lore. My > father clearly was very ashamed of his background and never revealed any > of the circumstances of his arrival in America to me. On the other hand, > he was quite prone to fabricating stories and one of the recurring ones > was that his father was in the military. I have discovered in my journey > to uncover my father's story (and there is quite a lot to it!) that > often times there was a kernel of truth in his tales, hence the query > about his father's military connection. It does not seem likely however, > given what I have found, but you never know. > > In the past, there have been some folks on this board, Ian Layton in > particular, who have helped me enormously in tracing my family back in > Merry Olde. I have made one unforgettable trip to Norfolk and walked > around in the churchyards of Halvergate, Reedham, Wickhampton and > Cantley to visit some of my ancestors. Ian and I visited the grave of > Edward Layton, my third and Ian's fourth great gf in Cantley. Edward and > his first cousin, Sarah Browne, had two illegitimate children, the > second, John, being my gg-gf (hence my surname). You can find some of > Edward's story in the archives of this Board, if you care to. An > interesting genealogical detective story as it were. > > I began my search for my ancestry when my father died in 1988. Until > that time, my knowledge of his lineage was spotty, at best, and often > contradictory due to his fabrications. Until just before he died, he had > maintained that he had been born in Virginia. It was only literally on > his deathbed that he told me one day, quite out of the blue, that he had > been born in England. I realized then that I had to find out and I have > been at it ever since. What I have found has been exciting, > exhilarating, scandalous, puzzling at times and occasionally > heartbreaking, but it is my story and it now can be passed on to my > daughters and their children. What I have discovered has been > life-changing and extremely personal, probably enough to fill a book > (maybe some day). As all of you know, you can only know yourself when > you know where you came from. Thank you all for all your help. > > > > > > On 4/18/2016 3:00 AM, norfolk-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > > > > > > Today's Topics: > > > > 1. John Henry Brown (Gloria) > > 2. Re: John Henry Brown (Rosie) > > > > > > To contact the NORFOLK list administrator, send an email to > > NORFOLK-admin@rootsweb.com. > > > > To post a message to the NORFOLK mailing list, send an email to > NORFOLK@rootsweb.com. > > > > __________________________________________________________ > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com > > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the > body of the > > email with no additional text. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi, I have a John Harmer born 1805 who married a Mary ann Steward in 1827 in West Beckham. John I have, Mary is my problem. Sometimes she is down as Steward or Hold. On the census she is born in West Beckham, about 1802, I cannot find her. I am in doubt as to her parents, I have found a James Steward, first wife died around 1795, he then remarried an Elizabeth about 1802 . Are they who I am after? Mary and John had a son Samuel who married Sarah Pegg in Holt in 1853, Sarah,s father is my other problem. He is William Pegg born about 1811 in Sheringham, he was a carpenter, he married his first wife in Holt in 1832, she died 1839. I have looked at Sheringham , but cannot find him, or his parents, I have a possible but its proving it, his parents are possibly Thomas Pegg who married Sarah Sucker, in Sheringham in 1805, I have gone back on them both, they had a son Isaac born in 1810 who is my relation. If anyone can help with Mary and William, then many thanks. Regards Fee.

Hi Elizabeth, We're on the same continent, I'm close to Toronto. My question to you is, Are you related to a Rufus Pugh from Kings Lynn? He has passed away but I do have a photo of him , I know where he lived as a boy and I knew him at school. I was born in KL. Just trying to pass on a little info. Regards Peter Earl Sent from my iPad > On May 9, 2016, at 10:33 AM, Elizabeth Lee Pugh via <norfolk@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > Hello Lisa > You don't give any specific places in your request but I found these in Free > Reg. I have never come across the surname of URSILLA and it doesn't come up > anywhere on Free Reg. But I found this..... > > Elizabeth WHISKA? Baptism 1 * 1738 Norfolk Castle Acre (St James) > [Archdeacon's Transcripts] > > This entry is on page 42 of the BTs on the LDS website and the surname is > almost illegible. > Did Elizabeth and Thomas have children named William or Prudence? Prudence > is not that common and if they did it could be a clue as to Elizabeth's > mother's name. > > The only relevant Thomas Jones appears to be this one - and North Walsham is > quite a distance from Castle Acre but could give you something to work on. > Thomas JONES Baptism 1 Feb 1734/5 Norfolk North Walsham (St Nicholas) > [Parish Register] > > I find it extremely difficult to actually use the LDS site on line now - it > seems to be hit or miss as to whether you can find the place you are looking > for. Once in to the site go to SEARCH and then scroll down to the world map > and click on where the UK is. Then when you get the list of records > available click on the other records available at the bottom of the list. >> From then on I have no idea how or why I sometimes can find the list of > place names.... > > Good luck! > > Elizabeth Pugh > Whitehorse > Yukon Canada > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Lisa Dayley > Sent: Sunday, May 08, 2016 9:20 PM > To: norfolk@rootsweb.com > Subject: [NFK] Ursilla-Jones > > Dear Listers: > I am looking for the Ursilla family. > My fifth great-grandparents were Elizabeth Ursilla (b: 1738) and Thomas > Jones (b: 1735) both from Norfolk. > Their daughter Elizabeth Jones (1756-1821) is my fourth great grandmother > also of Norfolk., > Any information would be great and especially on the Ursilla family. > Thanks in advance > Lisa > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Can I make a somewhat usual request, in that you tell us what you already have, and how therefore you got to this specific request. Do you already have a baptism record for Elizabeth Jones? If so, where? What record do you have for the marriage of Thomas and Elizabeth? How do you know Ursilla is a surname, as opposed to a second forename (Ursula). I would have expected Freereg to have sufficient coverage to indicate the existance of a surname, but there are no entries for "URSILLA" as a surname in Norfolk. If one turns soundex on there are various entries for "URSLEY", "URSULE" which could be possible. I would tend to disregard any entries ending in "SON", which form more than half the 35 entries so produced, as experience tells me these do not normally get lost (but could also be corrected on this). Needless to say, none match your specific request. Without a specific parish, the "JONES" is going to be pretty much impossible, even by undertaking a process of elimination of unlikely entries. regards Keith Drage Swindon UK On 09-May-16 5:20 AM, Lisa Dayley via wrote: > Dear Listers: > I am looking for the Ursilla family. > My fifth great-grandparents were Elizabeth Ursilla (b: 1738) and Thomas > Jones (b: 1735) both from Norfolk. > Their daughter Elizabeth Jones (1756-1821) is my fourth great grandmother > also of Norfolk., > Any information would be great and especially on the Ursilla family. > Thanks in advance > Lisa > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello Lisa You don't give any specific places in your request but I found these in Free Reg. I have never come across the surname of URSILLA and it doesn't come up anywhere on Free Reg. But I found this..... Elizabeth WHISKA? Baptism 1 * 1738 Norfolk Castle Acre (St James) [Archdeacon's Transcripts] This entry is on page 42 of the BTs on the LDS website and the surname is almost illegible. Did Elizabeth and Thomas have children named William or Prudence? Prudence is not that common and if they did it could be a clue as to Elizabeth's mother's name. The only relevant Thomas Jones appears to be this one - and North Walsham is quite a distance from Castle Acre but could give you something to work on. Thomas JONES Baptism 1 Feb 1734/5 Norfolk North Walsham (St Nicholas) [Parish Register] I find it extremely difficult to actually use the LDS site on line now - it seems to be hit or miss as to whether you can find the place you are looking for. Once in to the site go to SEARCH and then scroll down to the world map and click on where the UK is. Then when you get the list of records available click on the other records available at the bottom of the list. >From then on I have no idea how or why I sometimes can find the list of place names.... Good luck! Elizabeth Pugh Whitehorse Yukon Canada -----Original Message----- From: Lisa Dayley Sent: Sunday, May 08, 2016 9:20 PM To: norfolk@rootsweb.com Subject: [NFK] Ursilla-Jones Dear Listers: I am looking for the Ursilla family. My fifth great-grandparents were Elizabeth Ursilla (b: 1738) and Thomas Jones (b: 1735) both from Norfolk. Their daughter Elizabeth Jones (1756-1821) is my fourth great grandmother also of Norfolk., Any information would be great and especially on the Ursilla family. Thanks in advance Lisa

Dear Listers: I am looking for the Ursilla family. My fifth great-grandparents were Elizabeth Ursilla (b: 1738) and Thomas Jones (b: 1735) both from Norfolk. Their daughter Elizabeth Jones (1756-1821) is my fourth great grandmother also of Norfolk., Any information would be great and especially on the Ursilla family. Thanks in advance Lisa

Hi I am writing to provide an update on the 1891 census project. Two further pieces have been uploaded to the on line database and are now searchable for free on the main Freecen site at http://www.freecen.org.uk These are Pieces RG12/1547 Banham which covers the parishes of Banham, Bressingham, Fersfield, New Buckenham, Old Buckenham, Roydon, Shelfanger, Short Green, Winfarthing. RG12/1548 Kenninghall which covers the parishes of Blo Norton, Bridgham, East Harling, Eccles, Garboldisham, Gasthorpe, Kenninghall, North Lopham, Quiddenham, Riddlesworth, South Lopham, West Harling, Wilby. This means that there are now 364,719 (85.2%) 1891 Norfolk census records available to search free on line. Many thanks to all the volunteers who have kindly given up their free time to assist with the project without their help this information would not be available. Please see the main Freecen site or my website (see my signature for a link) for details of which pieces are on line. Hope this helps you in your research Bev -- Bev Howlett FreeCen Co-Ordinator Norfolk 1861,1871,1891 Cambridge 1891 Surrey 1871,1891 Find Out How To Help http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/bevsnorfolkinfo/ http://www.freecen.org.uk

I may be late on this one but the Le Neve family are mentioned/described in Adam Nicolson's excellent book 'The Gentry: Stories of the English.' Geoffrey Woollard.

Thanks! On Thu, Apr 28, 2016 at 8:01 AM, xpn11 via <norfolk@rootsweb.com> wrote: > This may be of interest to the original poster Lisa-mentions a Le Neve > marriage at Sparham, wonders why it was there rather than Witchingham > and the witness being a Mrs Hunt the rector's wife. > http://www.leneve.com/ > Some people are lucky to have really interesting ancestors! > Rosie > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

This may be of interest to the original poster Lisa-mentions a Le Neve marriage at Sparham, wonders why it was there rather than Witchingham and the witness being a Mrs Hunt the rector's wife. http://www.leneve.com/ Some people are lucky to have really interesting ancestors! Rosie

She should be able to as thats via a browser You didn't mention the email client used, but such as gmail do not by default receive a copy of the senders own posts, just in case its that Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 28/04/2016 13:10, xpn11@aol.com wrote: > Thanks Nivard. I will forward your post to Elizabeth in case she is > unable to read the list archive. > Rosie

Thanks Nivard. I will forward your post to Elizabeth in case she is unable to read the list archive. Rosie On 28/04/2016 12:44, Nivard Ovington via wrote: > Hi Rosie > > If the sender is posting in plain text, with no attachments and without > including the whole of a digest (which may carry it over the lists size > limit) and is still not getting posts to the list or admin, the problem > is invariably with the ISP rather than rootsweb > > If said ISP is blocking rootsweb (sometimes due to a rootsweb post being > reported as spam which should never be reported) they may also be > stopping posts to rootsweb > > Or the sender has inadvertently blocked rootsweb > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > On 28/04/2016 12:23, xpn11 via wrote: >> Hi Rosie , sorry to contact you direct but I sent two answers to the >> Slyford query and neither appeared on the Norfolk list. So yesterday I >> emailed the admin and that too is unanswered and so I am assuming that >> rootsweb has taken a dislike to my emails !!! >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Rosie If the sender is posting in plain text, with no attachments and without including the whole of a digest (which may carry it over the lists size limit) and is still not getting posts to the list or admin, the problem is invariably with the ISP rather than rootsweb If said ISP is blocking rootsweb (sometimes due to a rootsweb post being reported as spam which should never be reported) they may also be stopping posts to rootsweb Or the sender has inadvertently blocked rootsweb Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 28/04/2016 12:23, xpn11 via wrote: > Hi Rosie , sorry to contact you direct but I sent two answers to the > Slyford query and neither appeared on the Norfolk list. So yesterday I > emailed the admin and that too is unanswered and so I am assuming that > rootsweb has taken a dislike to my emails !!! >

Hi Elizabeth You've probably already tried unsub and re-subscribing - if not ....... Jean

This is from Elizabeth Howard who has asked me to post it on her behalf as rootsweb is not showing her mails . Perhaps if anyone has a solution they might care to help Elizabeth out. her findings are very interesting. On Slyford name origins I found a reference to a Slyford in Northumbria but Google is not playing ball with by showing it on a map. Rosie Hi Rosie , sorry to contact you direct but I sent two answers to the Slyford query and neither appeared on the Norfolk list. So yesterday I emailed the admin and that too is unanswered and so I am assuming that rootsweb has taken a dislike to my emails !!! I wondered if you could possibly pass on the findings of my hour or so with the Slyfords ? The first thing Ancestry had was a bapt of an Ursula Slyford in 1688 in London , I think St Benet, St Paul`s wharf, to John and Ursula Slyford . There is a will of an Ursula Slyford, but indexed as Vrsula Blyford ( ???) in which she mentions her cousin Elizabeth`s husband Peter le Neve of the Heralds Office . This man came from or retired to Gt Witchingham and that is the Norfolk connection !!!! then if you read Peter Slyford`s will , also on Ancestry , you will see he mentions a sister Ursula Hunt . So that I think ties them up . So they are a family of wealthy London citizens and merchants mainly basket makers .

I was surprised by it too-I have not come across it in Norfolk and a quick look at BT phone listings show none in Norfolk now-so looks like one of those old names lost here or evolved into something else.. I did wonder if it was a mistranscription of Twyford which is just up the road from the Witchinghams but I see from Family Search it was present in London in the past. Interesting. Rosie On 26/04/2016 13:22, Nivard Ovington via wrote: > Hi Lisa & Bob > > Its not even as good as that > > There are no SLYFORDs found in any census 1841 to 1911 on either > findmypast or Ancestry > > It suggests its either evolved into another name or more likely was > taken down phonetically > > The most obvious would be SLEAFORD > (that is most likely originally from Sleaford in Lincolnshire) > > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > On 26/04/2016 13:04, Bob Rust via wrote: >> According to the surname finder there was less than 100 people with that >> surname in 1881 and 1998. >> >> Bob > >>> Dear Everybody: >>> >>> I wondered if anyone was familiar with the surname Slyford >>> >>> My fifth great grandmother was Ursula Slyford born 1688 in Great >>> Witchingham, Norfolk. >>> >>> She married my fifth great-grandfather James Hunt born 20 Oct 1686 in >>> Hempstead, By Holt Norfolk and died in Norwich in 1743 >>> >>> Their daughter my fourth great-grandmother was Sarah Hunt born 15 July >>> 1725 >>> Sparham, Norfolk and died Dec 1770. >>> >>> Would greatly appreciate any information especially about the surname >>> Slyford. >>> >>> Thanks in Advance >>> >>> Lisa Dayley >>> Rexburg, Idaho > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Lisa & Bob Its not even as good as that There are no SLYFORDs found in any census 1841 to 1911 on either findmypast or Ancestry It suggests its either evolved into another name or more likely was taken down phonetically The most obvious would be SLEAFORD (that is most likely originally from Sleaford in Lincolnshire) Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 26/04/2016 13:04, Bob Rust via wrote: > According to the surname finder there was less than 100 people with that > surname in 1881 and 1998. > > Bob > >> Dear Everybody: >> >> I wondered if anyone was familiar with the surname Slyford >> >> My fifth great grandmother was Ursula Slyford born 1688 in Great >> Witchingham, Norfolk. >> >> She married my fifth great-grandfather James Hunt born 20 Oct 1686 in >> Hempstead, By Holt Norfolk and died in Norwich in 1743 >> >> Their daughter my fourth great-grandmother was Sarah Hunt born 15 July >> 1725 >> Sparham, Norfolk and died Dec 1770. >> >> Would greatly appreciate any information especially about the surname >> Slyford. >> >> Thanks in Advance >> >> Lisa Dayley >> Rexburg, Idaho